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Solecist Project
All Glory to the HypnoBoobs
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Posted - 2015.01.15 19:22:30 -
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GhostOfDoom wrote:Debora Tsung wrote:lemme see, 1000 plex for one mid range gaming PC.... 19950 Euros... Nope. Not gonna happen. if your paying 19950 for a mid range your being ripped off For your own thread's sake I ask you to not quote the whole ISD post, because it is written right there anyway. Just annoys others, because they have to scroll through what they already scrolled past anyway.
I know this happens. It's an oversight people make, but it's really annoying.
I hope you consider my thoughts into this as well. I don't oppose the idea, I think it's great ... and of course people should also be able to buy luxury items if they want to ... but there are lots of people who only have EVE ONLINE as their hobby, because they literally can't afford anything else and struggle with life.
For them, basic things they need would be a godsend.
Thank you.
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
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Posted - 2015.01.15 19:29:01 -
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GhostOfDoom wrote:Debora Tsung wrote:lemme see, 1000 plex for one mid range gaming PC.... 19950 Euros... Nope. Not gonna happen. if your paying 19950 for a mid range your being ripped off my point is there plex btw and if your buying plex to get the items then your expecting to pay extra. No one in there right mind is going to buy 1000 or 100 PLEX just to buy something from a shop when they can pay less for cash. The point in a shop where you can use PLEX to buy items is because you can earn the isk in game and buy the PLEX you need not go and buy the PLEX for cash that would just be silly.
I think it won't happen other than for short term promo mostly because of the burden it would put on them for dealing with the work it would generate with inventory, shipping and other related stuff which can be somewhat limited if you only do it for limited time/qty promotion. When they do limited offers like the collector box for example, they can easyly say there will be 2k of them and after that, it's over. If they open a real shop, stuff would somewhat have to be available all the time and you could not just make a blitz of shipping not affecting the operation as much over time. |
GhostOfDoom
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.01.15 19:35:39 -
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Solecist Project wrote:GhostOfDoom wrote:Debora Tsung wrote:lemme see, 1000 plex for one mid range gaming PC.... 19950 Euros... Nope. Not gonna happen. if your paying 19950 for a mid range your being ripped off For your own thread's sake I ask you to not quote the whole ISD post, because it is written right there anyway. Just annoys others, because they have to scroll through what they already scrolled past anyway. I know this happens. It's an oversight people make, but it's really annoying. I hope you consider my thoughts into this as well. I don't oppose the idea, I think it's great ... and of course people should also be able to buy luxury items if they want to ... but there are lots of people who only have EVE ONLINE as their hobby, because they literally can't afford anything else and struggle with life. For them, basic things they need would be a godsend. Thank you.
Firstly sorry was a bit long.
second I agree with you a lot of people play eve that are low on real life cash that's why being able to buy a plex to play is such a great help.
I understand by removing plex from the game would raise the price of them but not to a point where people wouldn't be able to earn the isk for them there not going to quadruple in price if that's your worry most likely there hang around the 1 billion mark when things settle down.
the down side to the early PLEX shop would most likely be with the big corps buying them up cheap before it opens but that sort of thing happens all the time not 2 months ago plex went over a billion now there down to 800mil again.
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GhostOfDoom
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Posted - 2015.01.15 19:43:43 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:GhostOfDoom wrote:Debora Tsung wrote:lemme see, 1000 plex for one mid range gaming PC.... 19950 Euros... Nope. Not gonna happen. if your paying 19950 for a mid range your being ripped off my point is there plex btw and if your buying plex to get the items then your expecting to pay extra. No one in there right mind is going to buy 1000 or 100 PLEX just to buy something from a shop when they can pay less for cash. The point in a shop where you can use PLEX to buy items is because you can earn the isk in game and buy the PLEX you need not go and buy the PLEX for cash that would just be silly. I think it won't happen other than for short term promo mostly because of the burden it would put on them for dealing with the work it would generate with inventory, shipping and other related stuff which can be somewhat limited if you only do it for limited time/qty promotion. When they do limited offers like the collector box for example, they can easyly say there will be 2k of them and after that, it's over. If they open a real shop, stuff would somewhat have to be available all the time and you could not just make a blitz of shipping not affecting the operation as much over time.
I see a few ways around this but all will mean some extra work yes.
1) have a contract with a 3rd party or parties where you would place your order for the item and when you order it is sent to them to ship.
this save on inventory space.
downside is invoicing for the items and CCP paying the 3rdparty but I'm sure the size of CCP now they can work that out a lot easier than we can as they know there business better than we do.
2) they could limit the larger items as already suggested above in promos this would reduce the need for large amounts of stock I don't expect nor do I think CCP would go out and stock up on 10000 units of any given item let alone the big ones. |
GhostOfDoom
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Posted - 2015.01.15 22:05:20 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Although unrealisti ...
Diapers for PLEX for example. Diapers are expensive and most people use them, although not completely necessary. A huge financial hole.
Children's clothes for PLEX. Lots of poor families out there and children constantly need new clothes.
Canned food for PLEX. Food that just stays okay, for those who barely can afford living.
Cat-, Dogfoid for PLEX. That never gets broken anyway.
Basically everything poor people, who struggle, could need.
There are people out there who need financial help ... ... and this would be huge for them.
Because, seriously, no one can eat a gfx card and it screams decadence. People out there struggle with living and ... ... and then there's people who want crap they throw away eventually, for PLEX.
That's disgusting...
if you don't have the money to eat why the hell do you have the net and a pc
if I was so broke my kids needed food the PC would be gone in a flash so your point makes no sense. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate
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Posted - 2015.01.15 22:08:06 -
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Nope
Akrasjel Lanate
General Director(CEO) of Naquatech Conglomerate
Executor of Naquatech Syndicate
Citizen of Solitude
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GhostOfDoom
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.01.15 22:57:58 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Nope
to what?
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Sean Parisi
Fugutive Task Force A T O N E M E N T
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Posted - 2015.01.16 01:25:40 -
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I like the idea. But this risks crashing and destroying the PLEX market if implemented and on the back end for CCP it would probably require a lot of work to fulfill the orders etc.
PLEX should fulfill its primary purpose first and foremost. To trade ISK for Game time and vice versa. Allowing people with more time and less income to play and those with less time and more money to have ingame assets. |
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
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Posted - 2015.01.16 03:40:57 -
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If you want to kill eve this is a great idea as it will pretty much remove anyone who doesn't pay with irl and doesn't have a stash from the game because plex prices will shoot up so much.
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Vector Symian
0 Fear
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Posted - 2015.01.16 04:04:33 -
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Truly I think it is an awesome idea for official CCP merch
as for charity I think having it as an option is a really good idea and im not a fan of charity tbh
an effective mark up will counter any issues with plex freefall
Risk- it may go to far and plex will dry up completely cutting of the players who work hard for their plex
Risk- their may be a legal crapfest as to how to go about this multiply by the numbers of countries with a eve population |
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GhostOfDoom
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Posted - 2015.01.16 04:07:42 -
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Arya Regnar wrote:If you want to kill eve this is a great idea as it will pretty much remove anyone who doesn't pay with irl and doesn't have a stash from the game because plex prices will shoot up so much.
anyone who use's plex full time has the isk for a price rise, there not going to go up to 10's of billions the wont even reach 2 bil or are the rich in isk too lazy now to earn a bit of isk. |
GhostOfDoom
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Posted - 2015.01.16 04:29:49 -
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Vector Symian wrote:Truly I think it is an awesome idea for official CCP merch
as for charity I think having it as an option is a really good idea and im not a fan of charity tbh
an effective mark up will counter any issues with plex freefall
Risk- it may go to far and plex will dry up completely cutting of the players who work hard for their plex
Risk- their may be a legal crapfest as to how to go about this multiply by the numbers of countries with a eve population
to stop the stop plex running out they can limit the large items, also with a price increase more plex will be brought and sold for isk in return helping to stabilize the price.
the plex prices have gone from below 400 million isk when they first came out to over 1 billion isk and they will continue to rise and fall but what people for get is the PLEX has become the EVE gold standard every time there's a large increase in the price of plex there's a large increase in other items prices.
most of the people that don't pay for game time with real money these days are not the ones who can't afford it they are the ones that just have too much isk and i mean 100's of trillions on accounts.
there are a lot more people that work there ass off in real life that don't have the isk for a plex as there time is spent earning money to pay real life bill's than there are people that can pay with Real Life Cash that don't as they have isk coming out of there wazoo. |
suid0
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2015.01.16 11:31:33 -
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It would deteriorate into RMT when items are bought for plex and ebay'd.
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GhostOfDoom
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.01.16 12:23:56 -
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suid0 wrote:It would deteriorate into RMT when items are bought for plex and ebay'd.
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so the collectors Edition's are never put on eBay?
Isk is never sold on eBay?
Accounts have never been sold on eBay?
knee jerk attitude isn't the best way to go just because 1 person robs a bank doesn't mean all banks should be closed down
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GhostOfDoom
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.01.17 07:06:08 -
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Vector Symian wrote:Truly I think it is an awesome idea for official CCP merch
as for charity I think having it as an option is a really good idea and im not a fan of charity tbh
an effective mark up will counter any issues with plex freefall
Risk- it may go to far and plex will dry up completely cutting of the players who work hard for their plex
Risk- their may be a legal crapfest as to how to go about this multiply by the numbers of countries with a eve population
The only people that really know how many plex there are out there is CCP and as for them drying up I think there is little chance of that as if they start to be come rarer CCP will begin to sell more due to the value going up.
As I have suggested the best way would be to partner with a 3rd party when it comes to selling them which should cover any legal problems as they would already be covered by them when it comes to selling to different countries.
the prices may very but there little to nothing you can do as prices difference's in each country making matching them impossible.
I was being a bit extreme when I said 1000 plex fora mid range PC but 200-300 seem a lot but not really as they could be classed as free to the buyer depending how they come by the plex.
even at them prices that give CCP a very nice profit and helps promote the sales of more plex.
once again the PC and such are the top end Items they could simply do T-shirts sweat shirts caps key rings box sets and so on there are more than enough people out there that have been asking for these items for years. |
Adrie Atticus
Shadows of Rebellion The Bastion
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Posted - 2015.01.17 09:38:00 -
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GhostOfDoom wrote:suid0 wrote:It would deteriorate into RMT when items are bought for plex and ebay'd.
-1 so the collectors Edition's are never put on eBay? Isk is never sold on eBay? Accounts have never been sold on eBay? knee jerk attitude isn't the best way to go just because 1 person robs a bank doesn't mean all banks should be closed down Selling in game item account and isk will get you banned but they can't stop someone selling something physical + the cost to buy the items for an RMT wouldn't be worth it they would need to farm the isk buy the plex buy the item then place the item on eBay hoping it sells for more or at least the same as they would have got from selling the Isk in the first place and believe me RMT's don't like to work hard for there cash if they can't bot it they don't want to know. lastly how many of the same ITEM do you think they could buy before CCP flagged there account?
ISK and account have been sold on ebay. They've also been knee-jerk banned because you know, not allowed.
Easiest way to not enable this is to now start a scheme allowing it to happen in the first place. |
epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
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Posted - 2015.01.17 10:17:49 -
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I am sorry, but this is truly a call to be able to RMT in a CCP supported manner.
Buy Goods with plex, RMT on Ebay with Purchased goods at 80cents on the dollar. Spend cash, Rinse and repeat until EvE economy is dysfunctional.
Whilst I do not accuse the OP of deliberately trying to slip one over, others would be rejoicing.
The Graphics card idea was marginally insane, and probably only possible as the product would have been a promotion by the manufacturer.
So not supported.
There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
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GhostOfDoom
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.01.17 11:58:24 -
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I maybe wrong but every single negative comment seems to be more of a fact they might have to pay a bit more Isk for a plex which is a good thing too many super rich out there taking the pee with the value of a plex I know of people that have got enough isk on more than 1 account to buy enough plex to sub the accounts they have for over 10 years |
Damjan Fox
Fox Industries and Exploration
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Posted - 2015.01.17 13:39:59 -
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Quote:they might have to pay a bit more Isk for a plex
PLEX price would skyrocket. It would totally destroy the market and maybe even EVE itself.
- Many players, not able to PLEX their accounts, will leave the game - There will be bots EVERYWHERE, now, that they have a legal way of RMT - Money Laundering could become a serious problem
Quote:we all benefit from the reduction of PLEX's on the market less plex the more they cost so for the seller they make a few more isk That's just your own opinion. What about all the players plexing their accounts? Do they benefit from increased PLEX price, too?
It is an interesting idea. But the only scenario, where i could see this work, is, if it's limited to occasional offers and there is only a small amount of items available. Like the example of PLEX for graphics card. They sold 100 units for 20 PLEX each. That's a total of 2.000 PLEX, not even a single day of total Jita trade volume. So the impact on the market is very small, if there is any at all.
But a permanent PLEX shop... Very bad idea.
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Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
572
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Posted - 2015.01.17 14:09:46 -
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GhostOfDoom wrote:suid0 wrote:It would deteriorate into RMT when items are bought for plex and ebay'd.
-1 so the collectors Edition's are never put on eBay? Isk is never sold on eBay? Accounts have never been sold on eBay? knee jerk attitude isn't the best way to go just because 1 person robs a bank doesn't mean all banks should be closed down Selling in game item account and isk will get you banned but they can't stop someone selling something physical + the cost to buy the items for an RMT wouldn't be worth it they would need to farm the isk buy the plex buy the item then place the item on eBay hoping it sells for more or at least the same as they would have got from selling the Isk in the first place and believe me RMT's don't like to work hard for there cash if they can't bot it they don't want to know. lastly how many of the same ITEM do you think they could buy before CCP flagged there account?
with eBay though since not authorized they have control. Mention eBay in petition while you will be slammed for EULA violation yourself you get the satisfaction of taking the other guy down too. And his buyer if he flipped the item/char in question.
With plex to real items that are sold independent of game, there is not control from ccp. Its me selling a card in this case. Buyer doesn't have to know where it came from. best an e-bay buyer can do is write you and ask for serials of the item sold to see if hot. Only the truly anal bother to get this info, and on my cards I have seen good luck figuring out what actually is the right serial number and not a part number lol. I fight with my disposal people all the time turning in gear. Ever work with big cisco gear? They have several serial numbers fro x cards and such in them. One that wins is the one you can actually get a TAC case submitted for the whole thing.
Quantity is an issue, ccp can't go all socialist communist and go who has more than say 3 computers. While 20 would be overt potential issue....smart RMT'ers would go for say 4-5 and be less suspect. Make this a $200 card, 5 cards is still $1000 cash on the barrel head. I ain't greedy, $1000 would do me fine.
I in my tech overload days had 4 boxes. I could justify in these days a few more (space in room was limiting factor). 1 for IT work as it were, 1 for testing/IT extreme tinkering (never get freaky with a box needed up full-time, somehing I know ccp would not even argue....test bed systems are damn near a commandment in the IT realm) , 1 for daily use/gaming, and the wife's.
Now I have scaled down and love me virtual technology off a beefed up system and the wife uses an iPad and is happy with that. If asked by CCP though, yes mr auditor I am an IT admin who works on stuff at home who is learning to code as well and have several physicals running. Now give me my 5 $200 cards so I can make me $1000....err, upgrade 5 boxes.
CCP did it before we can say....maybe they learned from this. CCP is not perfect. One day somer was their buddy, then another day on the ban lists when the rtm was just way to obvious. We all make mistakes. Key to mistakes is to accept they will happen but also to ensure to not make the same ones twice. |
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GhostOfDoom
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.01.18 10:13:47 -
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Eve isn't so fragile that a few plex go from the market that it's going to die if you believe that you are sadly wrong |
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