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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
2173
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Posted - 2015.01.16 03:07:56 -
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Soon i will be starting a corp with an empty alt. Recruitment will be open to anyone, and everyone. I will also be spamming noob systems and markets with my corp ads claiming to be the god of eve who can save you from wardecs, gankers and give you free stuff.
all aps will be accepted. 10% tax.
You dont need to be active. You dont need to be sociable (in fact pls dont). You dont need to work together with us. I dont care what you do and in fact prefer if it has nothing to do with me. I wont teach you about the game. I wont help you if you're in trouble. If we get decced, ill go on 'holiday' or be 'busy at work' but you should still mission so you can make money. Thats the crux of your life right? The free stuff i promised you will be paid from corp tax, but we need to build up my corp wallet a bit first.
I know 99% of corps will be like this, but you should really join my one because my empty alt is the god of eve. Why would you know any better? you're a noob and like i give a **** what the NPE is like when i get free isk from the influx of gullable WoW players.
'lawl'
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" "So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
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Livonian
Kaesong Kosmonauts
17
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Posted - 2015.01.16 03:35:37 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Livonian wrote: go back to wow if you want consensual pvp
LoL whats ur K:D ratio brah? At least I don't have to join up with corps to gank unexpecting people and call it Peeveepee. 1337Sauce mate.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
496
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Posted - 2015.01.16 04:06:39 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Livonian wrote:Let me preface this by saying I think the entire idea undermines the core values of EVE.
CCP always goes on and on about meaningful gameplay and choices. Well where is the meaningful gameplay or decisions in effectively allowing highsec corps to be 100% safe simply by checking a box.
Why wouldn't every corp in highsec check it?
What is the counter play to it?
As others have also mentioned it removes all the gameplay elements involved in vetting and trusting a new corp member in highsec, while deleting an enjoyablestyle of play Then make your own Awoxing corp. Invite fellow Awoxers and you guys can sneak up on each other and kill each others ****, or don't who gives a ****. If people want to play in peace, let them. If you want to shoot them, declare a war an hope they undock. Awoxing is ******* ****, everyone knows it, and this change doesn't limit that playstyle at all. Unless your only path to Awoxing is taking advantage of rookie corp leaders. Step your game up son.
They will and what they will do is invite new players into the game get them missing in a navy BS then blow it
this doesn't remove awoxing all it does is put all of the risk on the person joining rather than the corp
Fuel block colors
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Jordanna Bauer
Mafia Redux
72
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Posted - 2015.01.16 04:28:51 -
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Official Eve Online: Warlords of New Eden changelist:
- Togglable PvP. |
Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
461
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Posted - 2015.01.16 05:07:59 -
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Dersen Lowery wrote:Didn't Awox just get on grid with anomaly-running corpmates, light a cyno, and suddenly reds? Meaning that the whole scheme relied on people out of corp, and this change wouldn't affect it at all?
If anything, it would make that tactic more effective, because the no-corp-aggression flag would give the impression of increased safety.
AWOX started out in amarr militia dunking people in caldari militia because he appears as a purple and used that to his advantage, also only standings loss with caldari (which didn't matter because he was amarr). Where he went after that who knows but it was just another example of poorly thought out game mechanics.
'high sec awoxing' was years overdue for an overhaul, it was basically an exploit.
Join channel Aussies in space to chat with AU/NZ players
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Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
2682
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Posted - 2015.01.16 05:13:06 -
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I was unaware that this check box to allow AWOXing also removed the risk of being suicide ganked.
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Sir Substance
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
658
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Posted - 2015.01.16 05:20:22 -
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Ines Tegator wrote:Oh. No. Spies might have to take risks to get kills now.
No, spies will, depending on implementation, simply be blocked from getting kills OR be exactly like suicide gankers.
There is no risk.
The beatings will continue until posting improves. -Magnus Cortex
Official Eve Online changelist: Togglable PvP. - Jordanna Bauer
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Sir Substance
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
658
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Posted - 2015.01.16 05:24:45 -
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Jordanna Bauer wrote:Official Eve Online: Warlords of New Eden changelist:
- Togglable PvP.
That sums up the problem so fantastically I've added it to my sig
The beatings will continue until posting improves. -Magnus Cortex
Official Eve Online changelist: Togglable PvP. - Jordanna Bauer
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
2173
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Posted - 2015.01.16 05:32:13 -
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can you tell me what good will come from taking AWOXing out? What does this do other than enable NPC alts to have corp tax and assets then obscure corps that are interested in actual group play?
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" "So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
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Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
461
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Posted - 2015.01.16 05:44:05 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:can you tell me what good will come from taking AWOXing out? What does this do other than enable NPC alts to have corp tax and assets then obscure corps that are interested in actual group play?
Can you please look at your own signature before writing things on this topic?
Faction warfare pilot and solo/small gang PVP advocate
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Sir Substance
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
658
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Posted - 2015.01.16 05:55:29 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:Can you please look at your own signature before writing things on this topic?
It's kind of a distressing point. PvP could happen at any time in eve, but we're transitioning from "PvP is a part of this game" to "technically, it's not impossible for it to happen under niche circumstances, people still PvP in null you know".
The beatings will continue until posting improves. -Magnus Cortex
Official Eve Online changelist: Togglable PvP. - Jordanna Bauer
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Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
333
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Posted - 2015.01.16 05:55:42 -
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Better late than never. This should have happened years ago, along suicide tanks and wardeccing, awoxing is one of the main reasons for the negative growth is EVE. |
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
3269
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Posted - 2015.01.16 06:02:53 -
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Go back and read the most recent CSM minutes. The topic of intra-corp aggression is discussed pretty thoroughly, and CCP Seagull is involved in the conversations as well. If you read it and still don't understand why CCP wants to do this, then .. I don't know what to say to you.
Regardless of whether I support this measure or not, you must admit that all the vetting in the world is of limited use and is in fact absolutely useless against a clever awoxer who's willing to do the work (and use the alts) to not get caught. |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
2173
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Posted - 2015.01.16 06:04:18 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:Daichi Yamato wrote:can you tell me what good will come from taking AWOXing out? What does this do other than enable NPC alts to have corp tax and assets then obscure corps that are interested in actual group play? Can you please look at your own signature before writing things on this topic?
If you cant even answer my question, what the **** are you doing posting in favor of its removal??
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" "So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
2173
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Posted - 2015.01.16 06:06:55 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:clever awoxer who's willing to do the work(and use the alts) to not get caught.
The horror...
i guess the message in my sig is a pretty important one then.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" "So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
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FT Diomedes
The Graduates Forged of Fire
804
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Posted - 2015.01.16 06:09:57 -
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I get that Eve is supposed to be a harsh, cold universe and all, but one of the major downsides to Eve is that it has historically been very hard to join up with other players and work together. This denies many people the social aspect of Eve and that really hurts retention.
This comic is very appropriate.
I don't want to see Eve become truly less dangerous, but I also really don't give a **** about some highsec AWOXer having to adapt his gameplay if it results in a few more retentions.
The Greatest Ship Ever. Credit to Shahfluffers.
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
2173
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Posted - 2015.01.16 06:20:12 -
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Quote:historically been very hard to join up with other players and work together.
Start a new char. Send out some apps. Have a chat. you'll find that it isnt. The problem with finding a corp is finding one that actually does what it says on the tin.
And players of multiple MMO's have always said their bonds with their EVE online corpies have always been the strongest.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" "So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
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Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
461
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Posted - 2015.01.16 06:20:53 -
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Aiyshimin wrote:Better late than never. This should have happened years ago, along suicide tanks and wardeccing, awoxing is one of the main reasons for the negative growth is EVE.
Wardeccing has a time and a place, for highsec, whether you feel a corporation should be allowed to wardec as many as 120 others at any time is a different matter.
Whether people should even be allowed to exist in an NPC corporation after joining a player corporation is another question. Whether highsec is too big, too many missions, too high payout, too much ore, too many moons for POS, POS guns even being allowed, wardecs being a *thing*, bumping, Globby tactics, the lack of a diverse resource economy, gluttony of accounts, too many alts, not enough gate pirates, AFK cloaking, ISBOXing (it's still happening, reporting is a proactive process), Awoxing of the weak, needing the weak to awox, being weak enough to need to awox, weapon and ship imbalance, no caps in highsec (due to change apparently, under consideration etc) and all the spectrum of events that flow from these things.
There's dozens of failures in the game that cumulatively are pushing new players out. And CCP have said they're finnicky about touching them because highsec carebears constitute the greater portion of their playerbase. If movements like CODE were having serious implications for sub counts you think CCP wouldn't have outlawed them and IP banned them? Like they do to exploiters? Oh Jesus no don't be so naive, CODE and it's flunky pretenders would have been extinguished years ago. Don't **** with CCP's bottom line. IIRC even the guys who pulled a fast one on the original FW revamp LP award system got banned despite it all being clearly above the belt.
Quote:If you cant even answer my question, what the **** are you doing posting in favor of its removal??
I don't think you really grasp the issue. The issue isn't really awoxing the issue is why we've been led to this scenario in the first place.
Faction warfare pilot and solo/small gang PVP advocate
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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
3270
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Posted - 2015.01.16 06:25:52 -
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Page 74: Team Five-O
Ctrl-F for "Session: Team Five-O". The conversation about awoxing starts there. |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
2173
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Posted - 2015.01.16 06:28:40 -
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If thats what its really about, catering to the masses of carebears, then EVE has pulled/is going to pull an 'ultima online'.
If i ever believe thats whats happening, i will be QQing.
But you still havent said why YOU are in favour of removing it. You still havent answered my question.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" "So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
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afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
675
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Posted - 2015.01.16 06:48:20 -
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Neutral logi.
That is all.
None of the crying folks in here are thinking of the possibilities of giving people a little more security - they'll think they are immortal and so other ways to perform hilarious kills open up. Perhaps if you stop drowning yourself in tears and give it some thought..... |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
2173
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Posted - 2015.01.16 06:50:07 -
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afkalt wrote:Neutral logi.
That is all.
Why cant crimewatch deal with this? Why cant shooting corpies start a LE?
If it can be made to start a Criminal timer, why not a LE?
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" "So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
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Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
462
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Posted - 2015.01.16 07:27:30 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:If thats what its really about, catering to the masses of carebears, then EVE has pulled/is going to pull an 'ultima online'.
If i ever believe thats whats happening, i will be QQing.
But you still havent said why YOU are in favour of removing it. You still havent answered my question.
And I'm not going to, because I've answered this same question dozens of times and running over old ground makes me want to stick my **** in a blender.
Thread reported for redundancy.
Faction warfare pilot and solo/small gang PVP advocate
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Ines Tegator
Serious Business Inc. Ltd. LLC. etc.
533
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Posted - 2015.01.16 07:36:33 -
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Quoting some relevant parts.
Quote:CCP FoxFour - The idea that this is the only way to cause harm by joining a corporation does not exist. You can join a corporation and still assassinate someone. You can convince them to give you assets. You can convince them to go throu gh a low sec gate. You can convince them to go mission in an expensive ship and suicide gank them
Quote: CCP Bettik - What sold me on this point was we are teaching people that it's safer in an NPC corporation than a player corporation. We know that it is better for them to join a player corp oration, but we want to make sure that people can get into a corporation. We know that there is a social barrier for some and some people have truly bad experiences. However, this is about the person that joins a corp and suddenly they are dead and they do nGÇÖt know what happened.
Quote:CCP Fozzie - In a game where it is important to get people to interact with other people we have a situation where if your ISK is not made from bounties and you do not need the extra features of a corporation that the optimum choice in all circumstances is not to play with other people. We don't want it to be this way.
Overhaul Dscan!
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Sladislov
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
53
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Posted - 2015.01.16 08:10:39 -
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This is the start of a slippery slope.
I am not sure how the rest of ccp is fine with removing an integral part of what makes eve eve.
-á-á-á-á-á-á Sladislov
Director of Silly semantics
-á-á-á-á-á-áBroksi Kurth
-á-á xXxBlack LegionxXx
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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
3270
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Posted - 2015.01.16 08:35:07 -
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Sladislov wrote:This is the start of a slippery slope.
I am not sure how the rest of ccp is fine with removing an integral part of what makes eve eve.
Probably because this "integral part" is having a significantly detrimental effect on people experiencing the other "integral parts" of EVE. |
Sladislov
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
53
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Posted - 2015.01.16 08:38:21 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:Sladislov wrote:This is the start of a slippery slope.
I am not sure how the rest of ccp is fine with removing an integral part of what makes eve eve.
Probably because this "integral part" is having a significantly detrimental effect on people experiencing the other "integral parts" of EVE.
If people really want to dwell in highsec and invite whoever they want without even checking who they are, i think i have the better game for you
Only people who agree with this new change have been awoxed before and are too dumb to realize what mistakes they made,
"OH HE HAS KILLED HIS OWN CORP MEMBERS 30 TIMES BETTER ACCEPT HIM"
"WOW WHY ARE YOU SHOOTING ME"
-á-á-á-á-á-á Sladislov
Director of Silly semantics
-á-á-á-á-á-áBroksi Kurth
-á-á xXxBlack LegionxXx
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Adrie Atticus
Shadows of Rebellion The Bastion
832
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Posted - 2015.01.16 08:47:32 -
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Ya'll yelling slippery slopes and death of hisec, would you care to explain how you got into this argument now seeing how this discussion wasn't as vibrant when CONCORD was made invincible?
I think you're too attached to the status quo of things to imagine a system which will benefit every walk of life more in the long run. Yes, removing PvP options is not the ideal situation, but the targets are still there. If they undock, they consent to PvP and are as valid targets. It takes, what, a handful over a dozen catalysts to pop the most blinged out mission boat (theyr'e not ships, ships are for PvP)?
If CCP's projections of player retention come to fruition with this change and they can continue to work towards the total removal of safe NPC corps from hisec then this first step is an easy one to implement and revert at any point. Of course, you'd see this if you read this whole post and didn't take the bait on first 2 paragraphs, we'll see. |
Sladislov
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
53
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Posted - 2015.01.16 09:03:06 -
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Adrie Atticus wrote:Ya'll yelling slippery slopes and death of hisec, would you care to explain how you got into this argument now seeing how this discussion wasn't as vibrant when CONCORD was made invincible?
I think you're too attached to the status quo of things to imagine a system which will benefit every walk of life more in the long run. Yes, removing PvP options is not the ideal situation, but the targets are still there. If they undock, they consent to PvP and are as valid targets. It takes, what, a handful over a dozen catalysts to pop the most blinged out mission boat (theyr'e not ships, ships are for PvP)?
If CCP's projections of player retention come to fruition with this change and they can continue to work towards the total removal of safe NPC corps from hisec then this first step is an easy one to implement and revert at any point. Of course, you'd see this if you read this whole post and didn't take the bait on first 2 paragraphs, we'll see.
Invincible concord is a lot different than outright removing the ability to do damage; the one makes the nigh-invincible police force really invincible, the other straight up removes gameplay elements. Also about the player retention, i'd rather not change the game fundamentally to appeal to newer people more. All of us started as new people and we are still here. More does not equal better.
-á-á-á-á-á-á Sladislov
Director of Silly semantics
-á-á-á-á-á-áBroksi Kurth
-á-á xXxBlack LegionxXx
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Anthar Thebess
830
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Posted - 2015.01.16 09:14:25 -
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Another important feature removed |
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