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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
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Posted - 2015.01.18 10:56:00 -
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I've been mulling this over and it seems like tying this feature to a small tax would be a good idea. Corps lack tools to tune their level of risk so a small tax to CONCORD for the protection would be exactly this - a way to balance safety (risk) vs. profit (reward). Add in a social corp and you got:
Safest - immune to wardecs/awoxing - the social corp (with a 11% tax and all the restrictions of the current NPC corp) Less safe - immune to awoxing - normal corp with FF turned off (5% tax) Normal - at risk to both external (wardec) and internal (awoxing) threats (no tax)
Corps could switch between each with the 24h notice (assuming nothing is deployed in space and not under wardec).
There still needs to be some buffs to player corps to make them valuable/persistent and worth staying in and defending, but this actually could work as a tool to give players ways to set the risk and reward they are comfortable playing at.
Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10 is a good idea.
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Tim Timpson
Solitude Trading
15
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Posted - 2015.01.18 10:58:44 -
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Mara Pahrdi wrote:Boom Boom Longtime wrote:Regardless of the side of the coin, another ten years of Eve is surely what we'd all like to see happen? That will depend on whether it is still EVE, the harsh, cold and unforgiviing universe I once subscribed to. EVE has never been this. If it was, losing a ship would matter, isk would be harder to come by and every choice you made would need to be considered. EVE has never been harsh cold or unforgiving. That's a lie you tell yourself. |
Tim Timpson
Solitude Trading
15
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Posted - 2015.01.18 11:02:16 -
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Black Pedro wrote:I've been mulling this over and it seems like tying this feature to a small tax would be a good idea. Corps lack tools to tune their level of risk so a small tax to CONCORD for the protection would be exactly this - a way to balance safety (risk) vs. profit (reward). That would go against the reason for this change. This change is to encourage people to recruit noobs by making it safe to do so. Adding a punishment for turning this option on will just leave most people leaving it off and not recruiting noobs. |
Solops Crendraven
Solops Inc
52
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Posted - 2015.01.18 11:05:28 -
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I read The Reddit Nothing new that we havnt covered here I did read Corps taxing ?Like we need more Taxes. Even if They took the Avoxing Out of the Game completely it wouldnt send millions of players to sign up up for a corp Eves Core gameplay is trust know one maybe in the beginning when i started playingI wouldve fell for The trailer hype.now I just find myself logging in just to skill up for a Capital or Bling ship just waiting to be ganked or avoxed i dont mind if i didnt have to pay for like in Day Z I dont mind being griefed.I just dont want to be Multi Charged to play a Game And Get Avoxed. If It was F2P Or Didnt have to pay so much for ships and skills and wait so long .if a Titan or a Macherial Respawned in your Station After you pay for the Unlock once! It would be Fair at least if I get avoxed or ganked Ill have a Fresh new spawn waiting for me just like my clones. I dont wanna rely on a Player Driven Economy its Corrupt and rigged just like joining corps to only get avoxed.
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Sladislov
Love Squad Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
63
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Posted - 2015.01.18 11:22:21 -
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Solops Crendraven wrote:I read The Reddit Nothing new that we havnt covered here I did read Corps taxing ?Like we need more Taxes. Even if They took the Avoxing Out of the Game completely it wouldnt send millions of players to sign up up for a corp. Eves Core gameplay is trust no one the player base even Glouts with pride about this . maybe in the beginning when i started playingI wouldve fell for The trailer hype.now I just find myself logging in just to skill up for a Capital or Bling ship just waiting to be ganked or avoxed i dont mind if i didnt have to pay for like in Day Z I dont mind being griefed.I just dont want to be Multi Charged to play a Game And Get Avoxed. If It was F2P Or Didnt have to pay so much for ships and skills and wait so long .if a Titan or a Macherial Respawned in your Station After you pay for the Unlock once! It would be Fair at least if I get avoxed or ganked Ill have a Fresh new spawn waiting for me just like my clones. I dont wanna rely on a Player Driven Economy its Corrupt and rigged just like joining corps to only get avoxed.
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J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
5574
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Posted - 2015.01.18 11:24:21 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:You can color me surprised if CCP does implement a tradeoff, but I have over 7 years of empirical evidence (this entire anti-pvp trend began when the Privateer nerf happened) to the contrary. There hasn't been give-and-take so far, so why would there be any now? Destroyers got buffed. Oracle, Tornado, Naga, Talos. Tags for Sec. Yup, absolutely no "give" at all. Destroyers got buffed because they were useless as a ship class. Tier 3 battlecruisers were released as a new ship class with no expressly-stated intent to be ships used solely for pvp. Neither of those changes were created for the sole benefit of pvpers in mind; it just so happened that pvpers took advantage of these features. The tags-for-sec thing is the only valid example you've made. And even then, it's a fringe mechanic that's almost useless for high-sec pvpers, because the gankers are usually constantly -10 anyway (there's no sense in buying your sec back up if you're going to lose it all immediately), and the warriors don't lose sec to begin with. So yes, while it's a pvp benefit, it's an extremely minor one. Go ahead and name some others.
HAHAHA
I know plenty of gankers that use tags to keep them from being hunted in high-sec...
And also a HUGE amount of low-sec dudes that keep their sec up high enough so they can if needed just enter high-sec.
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J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
5575
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Posted - 2015.01.18 11:26:54 -
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Shailagh wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Seriously, don't go for this sort of angle. The "wait and see" approach amounts to stalling for time, and you know this. Whining on the forums has exactly the same effect as "wait and see". How about talking to CSM and asking for them to lobby CCP to clarify whether there will in fact be taxes or rates for use of the "FFA" toggle? Lol read the summer CSM mins? The two nonBear/nullBlueBears tried telling ccp all these things. Basically got told their opinions were trash and to shut up and remember they are only there as AN ADVISORy COMMITEE. They cant change ccps mind when ccp decides to do dumb things.
A. Mara never said to ask CSM to change stuff, just to get CCP to clarify it more. But you are too damn stupid and ignorant to even read something.
B. CCP not listening to CSM...clearly you are young or stupid...Monocle-gate...
P.s. so far, it has just been mentioned on a twitch stream. As did many other things like the 10-year veteran station and the POS overhaul and W.I.S.
So, first let's wait and see what is actually all going to happen, how it going to be implemented and most of all...when.
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Solops Crendraven
Solops Inc
52
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Posted - 2015.01.18 11:30:00 -
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Sladislov wrote:Solops Crendraven wrote:I read The Reddit Nothing new that we havnt covered here I did read Corps taxing ?Like we need more Taxes. Even if They took the Avoxing Out of the Game completely it wouldnt send millions of players to sign up up for a corp. Eves Core gameplay is trust no one the player base even Glouts with pride about this . maybe in the beginning when i started playingI wouldve fell for The trailer hype.now I just find myself logging in just to skill up for a Capital or Bling ship just waiting to be ganked or avoxed i dont mind if i didnt have to pay for like in Day Z I dont mind being griefed.I just dont want to be Multi Charged to play a Game And Get Avoxed. If It was F2P Or Didnt have to pay so much for ships and skills and wait so long .if a Titan or a Macherial Respawned in your Station After you pay for the Unlock once! It would be Fair at least if I get avoxed or ganked Ill have a Fresh new spawn waiting for me just like my clones. I dont wanna rely on a Player Driven Economy its Corrupt and rigged just like joining corps to only get avoxed. i think you need help Lol You are not the First and you will not be the Last who will request this and i ant damn paying for a Shrink Either.
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J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
5575
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Posted - 2015.01.18 11:31:30 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I want to see them try to spin their way out of it, after they slung so much bullshit in this thread for page after page. They don't have to, because they can just fall back on the "oh well, it's what the majority wants anyway, so it's a good change" argument.
Citation needed.
You keep talking about "majority wants it" but never show factual proof of more then 51% of all the players asking for this change.
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Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy Caldari State
365
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Posted - 2015.01.18 11:32:58 -
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Solops Crendraven wrote:Sladislov wrote:Solops Crendraven wrote:I read The Reddit Nothing new that we havnt covered here I did read Corps taxing ?Like we need more Taxes. Even if They took the Avoxing Out of the Game completely it wouldnt send millions of players to sign up up for a corp. Eves Core gameplay is trust no one the player base even Glouts with pride about this . maybe in the beginning when i started playingI wouldve fell for The trailer hype.now I just find myself logging in just to skill up for a Capital or Bling ship just waiting to be ganked or avoxed i dont mind if i didnt have to pay for like in Day Z I dont mind being griefed.I just dont want to be Multi Charged to play a Game And Get Avoxed. If It was F2P Or Didnt have to pay so much for ships and skills and wait so long .if a Titan or a Macherial Respawned in your Station After you pay for the Unlock once! It would be Fair at least if I get avoxed or ganked Ill have a Fresh new spawn waiting for me just like my clones. I dont wanna rely on a Player Driven Economy its Corrupt and rigged just like joining corps to only get avoxed. i think you need help Lol You arnt the First and wont be the Last who will request this and i ant damn paying for a Shrink Either. I took it to mean you need help with your basic command of written language, namely the correct use of capital letters and paragraphs.
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J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
5577
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Posted - 2015.01.18 11:37:53 -
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Solops Crendraven wrote:Sladislov wrote:Solops Crendraven wrote:I read The Reddit Nothing new that we havnt covered here I did read Corps taxing ?Like we need more Taxes. Even if They took the Avoxing Out of the Game completely it wouldnt send millions of players to sign up up for a corp. Eves Core gameplay is trust no one the player base even Glouts with pride about this . maybe in the beginning when i started playingI wouldve fell for The trailer hype.now I just find myself logging in just to skill up for a Capital or Bling ship just waiting to be ganked or avoxed i dont mind if i didnt have to pay for like in Day Z I dont mind being griefed.I just dont want to be Multi Charged to play a Game And Get Avoxed. If It was F2P Or Didnt have to pay so much for ships and skills and wait so long .if a Titan or a Macherial Respawned in your Station After you pay for the Unlock once! It would be Fair at least if I get avoxed or ganked Ill have a Fresh new spawn waiting for me just like my clones. I dont wanna rely on a Player Driven Economy its Corrupt and rigged just like joining corps to only get avoxed. i think you need help Lol You are not the First and you will not be the Last who will request this and i ant damn paying for a Shrink Either.
At least go back to school and learn to use capital letters and punctuation in the correct way.
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Solops Crendraven
Solops Inc
52
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Posted - 2015.01.18 11:38:59 -
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Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:Solops Crendraven wrote:Sladislov wrote:Solops Crendraven wrote:I read The Reddit Nothing new that we havnt covered here I did read Corps taxing ?Like we need more Taxes. Even if They took the Avoxing Out of the Game completely it wouldnt send millions of players to sign up up for a corp. Eves Core gameplay is trust no one the player base even Glouts with pride about this . maybe in the beginning when i started playingI wouldve fell for The trailer hype.now I just find myself logging in just to skill up for a Capital or Bling ship just waiting to be ganked or avoxed i dont mind if i didnt have to pay for like in Day Z I dont mind being griefed.I just dont want to be Multi Charged to play a Game And Get Avoxed. If It was F2P Or Didnt have to pay so much for ships and skills and wait so long .if a Titan or a Macherial Respawned in your Station After you pay for the Unlock once! It would be Fair at least if I get avoxed or ganked Ill have a Fresh new spawn waiting for me just like my clones. I dont wanna rely on a Player Driven Economy its Corrupt and rigged just like joining corps to only get avoxed. i think you need help Lol You arnt the First and wont be the Last who will request this and i ant damn paying for a Shrink Either. I took it to mean you need help with your basic command of written language, namely the correct use of capital letters and paragraphs. And I Ant Ging to pay to go to college to learn Grammer Either Il just Hire You all Educated Folk to edit i for me I just had Deja Vu
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Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy Caldari State
369
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Posted - 2015.01.18 11:42:54 -
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Solops Crendraven wrote:Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:Solops Crendraven wrote:Sladislov wrote:Solops Crendraven wrote:I read The Reddit Nothing new that we havnt covered here I did read Corps taxing ?Like we need more Taxes. Even if They took the Avoxing Out of the Game completely it wouldnt send millions of players to sign up up for a corp. Eves Core gameplay is trust no one the player base even Glouts with pride about this . maybe in the beginning when i started playingI wouldve fell for The trailer hype.now I just find myself logging in just to skill up for a Capital or Bling ship just waiting to be ganked or avoxed i dont mind if i didnt have to pay for like in Day Z I dont mind being griefed.I just dont want to be Multi Charged to play a Game And Get Avoxed. If It was F2P Or Didnt have to pay so much for ships and skills and wait so long .if a Titan or a Macherial Respawned in your Station After you pay for the Unlock once! It would be Fair at least if I get avoxed or ganked Ill have a Fresh new spawn waiting for me just like my clones. I dont wanna rely on a Player Driven Economy its Corrupt and rigged just like joining corps to only get avoxed. i think you need help Lol You arnt the First and wont be the Last who will request this and i ant damn paying for a Shrink Either. I took it to mean you need help with your basic command of written language, namely the correct use of capital letters and paragraphs. And I Ant Ging to pay to go to college to learn Grammer Either Il just Hire You all Educated Folk to edit i for me I just had Deja Vu The cost of us translating your gibberish to English will far exceed that of going back to school....
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
912
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Posted - 2015.01.18 11:52:48 -
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Tim Timpson wrote:Mara Pahrdi wrote:Boom Boom Longtime wrote:Regardless of the side of the coin, another ten years of Eve is surely what we'd all like to see happen? That will depend on whether it is still EVE, the harsh, cold and unforgiviing universe I once subscribed to. EVE has never been this. If it was, losing a ship would matter, isk would be harder to come by and every choice you made would need to be considered. EVE has never been harsh cold or unforgiving. That's a lie you tell yourself. It used to be CCPs ad talk.
Looking back 4 years I used to regularly
- get can flipped even in rookie systems
- have ninja salvagers in my mission pockets
- see pirates gank / extort miners
Sure, we've seen freigher bumping / ganking become sort of a thing. Code. is swarming some systems to gank / extort miners but I still have to see them in action somewhere I live. And I haven't seen a ninja salvager for a long time.
On the other side, newbies got an enormous buff income wise during the last years, miners especially, looking at the venture. Trit was at 1,5-2 isk/unit 4 years ago and a hulk was a 240m investment that could easily be lost to just three cats. So loss did matter back then.
I'm not in favour of mindless grind, but I'm not sure the direction the game has taken for the time being is a good one.
Remove insurance.
This thread is the reason, why CCP should stop advertising any aspect of EVE PvE
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Solops Crendraven
Solops Inc
53
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Posted - 2015.01.18 11:53:47 -
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Ill Promise Ill send a check in the Mail .Anyway where where we ? Oh Ops Awoxing is no more and how it sucks for awoxers? no tears coming from these eyes but alligators .
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Kaarous Aldurald
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
11327
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Posted - 2015.01.18 11:54:14 -
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Tim Timpson wrote:Black Pedro wrote:I've been mulling this over and it seems like tying this feature to a small tax would be a good idea. Corps lack tools to tune their level of risk so a small tax to CONCORD for the protection would be exactly this - a way to balance safety (risk) vs. profit (reward). That would go against the reason for this change. This change is to encourage people to recruit noobs by making it safe to do so. Adding a punishment for turning this option on will just leave most people leaving it off and not recruiting noobs.
They're recruiting new players anyway.
That's how any awoxing happens in the first place.
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Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy Caldari State
370
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Posted - 2015.01.18 11:58:54 -
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Solops Crendraven wrote:Ill Promise Ill send a check in the Mail .Anyway where where we ? Oh Ops Awoxing is no more and how it sucks for awoxers? no tears coming from these eyes but alligators . Cheque? Who the hell uses those things these days? Cash only, cheques tend to be made of rubber.
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Mag's
the united
18756
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Posted - 2015.01.18 11:59:52 -
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So tell the players of the worst case scenario, then release what was meant to be the idea all along?
CCP "Yea we're removing FF completely."
Player base "Dafuq!"
CCP "We listened, it's now a toggle switch."
Played base "Yea that's better and we'll live with it."
Nah, I'm just being silly.... Or am I?
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J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
5579
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Posted - 2015.01.18 12:06:37 -
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Mara Pahrdi wrote:Tim Timpson wrote:Mara Pahrdi wrote:Boom Boom Longtime wrote:Regardless of the side of the coin, another ten years of Eve is surely what we'd all like to see happen? That will depend on whether it is still EVE, the harsh, cold and unforgiviing universe I once subscribed to. EVE has never been this. If it was, losing a ship would matter, isk would be harder to come by and every choice you made would need to be considered. EVE has never been harsh cold or unforgiving. That's a lie you tell yourself. It used to be CCPs ad talk. Looking back 4 years I used to regularly
- get can flipped even in rookie systems
- have ninja salvagers in my mission pockets
- see pirates gank / extort miners
Sure, we've seen freigher bumping / ganking become sort of a thing. Code. is swarming some systems to gank / extort miners but I still have to see them in action somewhere I live. And I haven't seen a ninja salvager for a long time. On the other side, newbies got an enormous buff income wise during the last years, miners especially, looking at the venture. Trit was at 1,5-2 isk/unit 4 years ago and a hulk was a 240m investment that could easily be lost to just three cats. So loss did matter back then. I'm not in favour of mindless grind, but I'm not sure the direction the game has taken for the time being is a good one.
I do agree with all of this.
Yes, it would be great to celebrate a 2nd decade of EVE.
However I do also agree with the point that it also really matters with how EVE will change over that time. I severly doubt it will make the 20 if they make it too soft. Does it means they shouldnt change stuff. Not at all, but for them to stay true to their game and existing player who have been with them for many years, they have to also take into consideration that both sides of the coin should be happy, not just one.
Make EVE too harsh, you will lose people. Make EVE too soft, you will lose people. It is finding that nice point of equilibrium that has to be found. Some safety for those that want it, to some degree. The option of a more shotgun diplomacy approach for those that want that.
In corp friendlyness is all fine at certain costs. Which, that is imo up for debate.
Im all for the idea of a small monetary cost to have FF turned off. The example of 50mil for the option each month is great imo. It is cheap and easily done through a bill each month. Or some form of extra tax or something, just at such an amount that it pays off to be in a player corp yet doesnt make it impossible to make some form of profit.
Or they should make wardec more of a fixed thing. So no evading a wardec as easily as they have it now to compensate for the extra in corp safety.
Also agree that in some cases, ganking should have a bit more consequences.
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Solecist Project
Weapons of Mass Distraction
19488
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Posted - 2015.01.18 12:07:12 -
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Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:Solops Crendraven wrote:Ill Promise Ill send a check in the Mail .Anyway where where we ? Oh Ops Awoxing is no more and how it sucks for awoxers? no tears coming from these eyes but alligators . Cheque? Who the hell uses those things these days? Cash only, cheques tend to be made of rubber. He's writing like that deliberately, to obfuscate who he is. Follow his posts through the threads. I am cheering him continuously for his first class trolling.
The troll-thread he made was a piece of art. So many pages, so many people fell for it and I was the only one calling him out. xD
Mag's wrote:So tell the players of the worst case scenario, then release what was meant to be the idea all along?
CCP "Yea we're removing FF completely."
Player base "Dafuq!"
CCP "We listened, it's now a toggle switch."
Played base "Yea that's better and we'll live with it."
Nah, I'm just being silly.... Or am I? That's not a conspiracy, that's how you do proper crowd control.
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Solecist Project
Weapons of Mass Distraction
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Posted - 2015.01.18 12:12:20 -
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Mara Pahrdi wrote:On the other side, newbies got an enormous buff income wise during the last years, miners especially, looking at the venture. No they didn't. When mineral prices go up, prices of everything built with them go up.
In regards to value, miners always earn the same. It's just a higher number, looking better to the clueless fools.
No miner earns more or less when mineral prices go up or down, because prices of everything else adapt to it.
Of course there's a transition period, but that's neglectable. Prices of items adapt to the prices of minerals.
I learned that from one of the best miners out there.
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J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
5579
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Posted - 2015.01.18 12:13:17 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Tim Timpson wrote:Black Pedro wrote:I've been mulling this over and it seems like tying this feature to a small tax would be a good idea. Corps lack tools to tune their level of risk so a small tax to CONCORD for the protection would be exactly this - a way to balance safety (risk) vs. profit (reward). That would go against the reason for this change. This change is to encourage people to recruit noobs by making it safe to do so. Adding a punishment for turning this option on will just leave most people leaving it off and not recruiting noobs. They're recruiting new players anyway. That's how any awoxing happens in the first place.
Tim...citation please that is done for that reason...
Still waiting on proof that is the reason.
P.s. new players are already safe from grieving by the new player protection rules.
Also, I have recruited MANY new players over the course of years. None of them were Awoxers nor have been awoxed.
It is the corps security that makes that happen. It is quite easy to spot an awoxer. CCP just added this for the corps who suck at doing their own security.
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J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2015.01.18 12:16:03 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Mara Pahrdi wrote:On the other side, newbies got an enormous buff income wise during the last years, miners especially, looking at the venture. No they didn't. When mineral prices go up, prices of everything built with them go up. In regards to value, miners always earn the same. It's just a higher number, looking better to the clueless fools. No miner earns more or less when mineral prices go up or down, because prices of everything else adapt to it. Of course there's a transition period, but that's neglectable. Prices of items adapt to the prices of minerals. I learned that from one of the best miners out there.
The only difference, miners in general dont have a high cost monthly.
Some mining crystals when using T2 strips. Occasional replacement ship. Some costs regarding shipment to market.
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Solops Crendraven
Solops Inc
53
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Posted - 2015.01.18 12:22:02 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:Solops Crendraven wrote:Ill Promise Ill send a check in the Mail .Anyway where where we ? Oh Ops Awoxing is no more and how it sucks for awoxers? no tears coming from these eyes but alligators . Cheque? Who the hell uses those things these days? Cash only, cheques tend to be made of rubber. He's writing like that deliberately, to obfuscate who he is. Follow his posts through the threads. I am cheering him continuously for his first class trolling. The troll-thread he made was a piece of art. So many pages, so many people fell for it and I was the only one calling him out. xD Mag's wrote:So tell the players of the worst case scenario, then release what was meant to be the idea all along?
CCP "Yea we're removing FF completely."
Player base "Dafuq!"
CCP "We listened, it's now a toggle switch."
Played base "Yea that's better and we'll live with it."
Nah, I'm just being silly.... Or am I? That's not a conspiracy, that's how you do proper crowd control.
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
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Posted - 2015.01.18 13:06:27 -
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J'Poll wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I want to see them try to spin their way out of it, after they slung so much bullshit in this thread for page after page. They don't have to, because they can just fall back on the "oh well, it's what the majority wants anyway, so it's a good change" argument. Citation needed. You keep talking about "majority wants it" but never show factual proof of more then 51% of all the players asking for this change. I'd be willing to wager a significant sum of money that an offocial poll would show results of somewhere 75% versus 25% for anti/pro anything pvp-related, respectively.
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
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Posted - 2015.01.18 13:44:41 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Mara Pahrdi wrote:On the other side, newbies got an enormous buff income wise during the last years, miners especially, looking at the venture. No they didn't. Oh yes, they did. There's more than just mineral prices to it, believe me.
Let's take the Gallente newbie miner back in 2010.
He started off in a Navitas. Natural progression was the Exequror, a mining cruiser back then. Cost about 6 Million isk. Go mine in a Navitas and add 20% yield. Compare to the venture. You get triple the isk for your trit now, but the typical cruiser only costs 1,5x of what it did back then.
Now you go mining in the Exquror. If I remember correctly, training for a Ret back then took short of 30 days without proper implants, which you cannot afford, since you're new. So 30 days of mining in a cruiser with about 1000 m3 cargo expanded, if you stick to mining.
A Ret was about 10-12m back then, which is about right (x2,7). But compare the venture's yield and ease of use to that of a mining cruiser. Pro for the Ret of the past: It took two dessies to get it down above 0.5. Con: It had way less ore space.
Still, once you were in a Ret, it started to take off somewhat. But it was a tedium to get in your first (and only) viable Exhumer: The Hulk. It used to be at 180m, but with Hulkageddon running twice a year it took off to 240m.
You have tanky Barges / Exhumers with little loss in yield now, much reduced training times and most of all the Venture to start you off on your mining career.
I'm not complaining about it. All I'm saying is, that due to many changes in different parts of the game, miners have an easier start now than 4-5 years ago. And they can recuperate harsh losses much easier than they used to. Getting your only Ret blown up back then set you back considerably. Today it's just an inconvenience.
So a newbie corp losing their mining fleet to an awoxer today? Shrug. It sucks, but **** happens. On to a new start. Back in 2010 that really did hurt.
Remove insurance.
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Tim Timpson
Solitude Trading
15
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Posted - 2015.01.18 13:45:51 -
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Mara Pahrdi wrote:It used to be CCPs ad talk. Well yeah, it's always been the marketing but it's never actually been true. EVE has always been easy, and while yes people have been able to interfere with you, there's really nothing about the game that makes it harsh and unforgiving. Ships are as expendable as ammo in other games and the ability to run so many alts give you the opportunity to do whatever you want and not suffer any long term consequences.
Mara Pahrdi wrote:Looking back 4 years I used to regularly
- get can flipped even in rookie systems
- have ninja salvagers in my mission pockets
- see pirates gank / extort miners
With the exception of rookie systems all these things still happen, you just see them less as time goes on. The game hasn't changed, but the way you play and your perception has.
Mara Pahrdi wrote:On the other side, newbies got an enormous buff income wise during the last years, miners especially, looking at the venture. Trit was at 1,5-2 isk/unit 4 years ago and a hulk was a 240m investment that could easily be lost to just three cats. So loss did matter back then. Loss has ever mattered, isk has always been easy to come by. These days the numbers are all a bit higher, but the actual value of the isk much different. 4 years ago hulks were 150m by the way. This is my 10th year in EVE and honestly nothing much has changed. People still talk about how hardcore the game is while we sit around drinking and playing playstation while passively earning enough isk to pay for subs. I don't know many games I can excel at by not playing.
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Tim Timpson
Solitude Trading
15
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Posted - 2015.01.18 13:46:56 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Tim Timpson wrote:Black Pedro wrote:I've been mulling this over and it seems like tying this feature to a small tax would be a good idea. Corps lack tools to tune their level of risk so a small tax to CONCORD for the protection would be exactly this - a way to balance safety (risk) vs. profit (reward). That would go against the reason for this change. This change is to encourage people to recruit noobs by making it safe to do so. Adding a punishment for turning this option on will just leave most people leaving it off and not recruiting noobs. They're recruiting new players anyway. That's how any awoxing happens in the first place. The corps that recruit newbies now are terrible corps, which is why they get awoxed. A competent CEO will want to vet their recruits which you can't do to a newbie. |
J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
5580
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Posted - 2015.01.18 13:47:22 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:J'Poll wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:I want to see them try to spin their way out of it, after they slung so much bullshit in this thread for page after page. They don't have to, because they can just fall back on the "oh well, it's what the majority wants anyway, so it's a good change" argument. Citation needed. You keep talking about "majority wants it" but never show factual proof of more then 51% of all the players asking for this change. I'd be willing to wager a significant sum of money that an offocial poll would show results of somewhere 75% versus 25% for anti/pro anything pvp-related, respectively.
And...still waiting on proof to your claim that is a thing a majority has asked for.
Imaginary possible future poll results you expect to happen dont count.
Mainly cause it something you small brain makes up.
Only thing I ask for is you giving your so called proof in the form of an official poll result by CCP.
You would be amazed how little people would ask for this change.
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J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
5580
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Posted - 2015.01.18 13:49:14 -
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Tim Timpson wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Tim Timpson wrote:Black Pedro wrote:I've been mulling this over and it seems like tying this feature to a small tax would be a good idea. Corps lack tools to tune their level of risk so a small tax to CONCORD for the protection would be exactly this - a way to balance safety (risk) vs. profit (reward). That would go against the reason for this change. This change is to encourage people to recruit noobs by making it safe to do so. Adding a punishment for turning this option on will just leave most people leaving it off and not recruiting noobs. They're recruiting new players anyway. That's how any awoxing happens in the first place. The corps that recruit newbies now are terrible corps, which is why they get awoxed. A competent CEO will want to vet their recruits which you can't do to a newbie.
Tim.
Im still waiting on your proof people awox new players.
Almosy all awox that happens is against loot pinatas flown by older people.
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