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Pod Panik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.01.17 17:52:47 -
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Just checking if I am doing something wrong...
I just started exploration and after an hour of jumping from system to system, i did not find any data or relic sites. Only worm hole or combat sites (which are too tough for my newbie "lower-back")
Is it normal that I don't stumbke on data and relic sites? Should I look at lower sec areas? I currently stay in the 1.0 to 0.6 zone...
Thanks for the help...
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Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc.
868
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Posted - 2015.01.17 17:59:21 -
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yes it's normal
as 5000 other new pilots are doing the same thing.
Try going to less populated space or better yet null/wormhole space. |
RustyTraveler
Syndicate Society Drop the Hammer
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Posted - 2015.01.17 18:03:11 -
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Yes Exploration in High-sec is just basically a "holder" until you move to Null
or WH space. The margins on doing exploration in High is very low.
You must be in very populated space not to find any relics or data sites.
Like the person above me said it's better to look for lower populated space. |
Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc.
868
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Posted - 2015.01.17 18:04:47 -
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yes it's normal
as 5000 other new pilots are doing the same thing.
Try going to less populated space |
Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY F0RCED ENTRY.
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Posted - 2015.01.17 18:05:16 -
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Pod Panik wrote:Just checking if I am doing something wrong...
I just started exploration and after an hour of jumping from system to system, i did not find any data or relic sites. Only worm hole or combat sites (which are too tough for my newbie "lower-back")
Is it normal that I don't stumbke on data and relic sites? Should I look at lower sec areas? I currently stay in the 1.0 to 0.6 zone...
Thanks for the help...
There are only a set number of sites in all systems. If they have been run, then it takes a couple hours for it to respawn again.
Hisec is easy to scan down, so chances are someone else finished them before you got there.
Try moving to lowsec. There are plenty of empty systems with tons of exploration sites. |
Gregor Parud
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Posted - 2015.01.17 18:12:01 -
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Don't bother with .8 or .9 space much. And there's enough sites, I scan for combats in high sec (and make good isk with that) and regularly have the "crap data/relic" going on. So try and find a more quiet part of space and just keep at it. |
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.17 18:27:30 -
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The whole concept of high sec is that it is intended to be lackluster. High sec is there to give you a semi safe or pseudo-safe or safe seeming or maybe just less dangerous place to get your feet wet in this game. The intent is for you to get out to lower security space and interact with others.
If you are exploring in high sec and find it not all that fruitful then good. It's supposed to be that way. Use high sec to learn how exploration works then learn how to move around low and null then combine those to skills and make isk. |
Gregor Parud
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Posted - 2015.01.17 18:30:14 -
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ergherhdfgh wrote:The whole concept of high sec is that it is intended to be lackluster.
People keep saying that, I keep making 250-500 mil a day with combat exploration in high sec. One of us is lying and it ain't me. |
Orlacc
730
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Posted - 2015.01.17 18:32:48 -
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These folks are not asking about combat exploration.
"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
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Gregor Parud
924
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Posted - 2015.01.17 18:34:34 -
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Orlacc wrote:These folks are not asking about combat exploration.
He's making a generalisation about high sec, as such it can be countered with any high sec activity :) |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.01.17 20:56:41 -
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I agree with Gregor Parud, High Sec Exploration can be very lucrative.
The big ISK isn't gained from doing Relic / Data sites. It's gained from completing the Combat sites and their escalations.
To get the most reward for time invested in Exploration you need to be competitive. That means training up the appropriate skills, having a good ship fit and above all else, being smart and resourceful by checking map stats for areas that have low amount of player activity.
Due to all of the competition, you need to be able to scan and complete the sites asap. Since you're a young pilot, look for the lower level Frigate / Destroyer Cosmic Signatures such as DED 1/10, DED 2/10, Hideout and Lookout sites. Also the lower level Anomalies such as the basic Hideaway and Burrow sites can be completed rather quickly and easily which have a good chance of spawning a Commander NPC as well.
Anyway, good luck to you and welcome to Eve.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Pod Panik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.01.17 22:50:52 -
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How can you tell the DED level before going in? Should my scan reveil it?
What type of vessel should I get to do DED 1 and 2? I am with the Reaper and Probe for now.
Also, if i found a signature and I am scanning it at 0.25 AU and I still can't get it above 45%, does it mean its too hard for my gear/skill set?
Finally, i hoped to use Exploration to generate the cash to upgrade my ship. It does not seem I will be making any profit anytime soon. Any other recommendation to get me started?
Ps: many thanks all! |
J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
5555
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Posted - 2015.01.17 22:53:22 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:dafuq is wrong with forums today...
Yes.
I'm having issues today...ISD aren't anywhere to be seen...something is horribly wrong.
@OP:
Yes, high-sec exploration is quite "boring" as everybody and their mother is probing the systems too, so competition is high there.
Also, profit margins are very low in high-sec in general for the Data/Relic sites.
So, use high-sec to hone your skills, but get to low/null/WH systems as soon as possible.
Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
5695
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Posted - 2015.01.18 00:06:32 -
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J'Poll wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:dafuq is wrong with forums today... Yes. I'm having issues today...ISD aren't anywhere to be seen...something is horribly wrong.
What if it turns out that the repeated notifications are due to ISD being on a thread locking and post deleting spree, which also explains why they're not so visible?
But in terms of exploration: if you are only doing relic and data sites, head to lowsec. It's easy enough as a new player if you have a cloak and half a brain =)
Day 0 Advice for New Players
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Orlacc
733
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Posted - 2015.01.18 01:32:01 -
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Low sec scanning works better with lots of blue or purple modules.
"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.18 18:24:58 -
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Orlacc wrote:Low sec scanning works better with lots of blue or purple modules. Actually non-combat exploration is the profession which benefits the least from those colors ... If you want to equip colored modules, take the green ones
I'm my own NPC alt.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
45888
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Posted - 2015.01.18 22:20:08 -
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Tipa Riot wrote:Orlacc wrote:Low sec scanning works better with lots of blue or purple modules. Actually non-combat exploration is the profession which benefits the least from those colors ... If you want to equip colored modules, take the green ones
Those statements from both Orlacc and Tipa Riot are untrue.
Posting incorrect info in this sub-forum, even in jest, will only confuse and miss-lead new players. Those statements are miss-leading new players into thinking they need those types of modules to succeed in this game.
I'm pretty sure that goes against the forum rules.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Orlacc
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Posted - 2015.01.18 23:04:37 -
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My bad DMC. Forgot the forum I was in. Please disregard my blue purple post OP. And it is "mislead."
"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
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J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2015.01.18 23:04:58 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Tipa Riot wrote:Orlacc wrote:Low sec scanning works better with lots of blue or purple modules. Actually non-combat exploration is the profession which benefits the least from those colors ... If you want to equip colored modules, take the green ones Those statements from both Orlacc and Tipa Riot are untrue. Posting incorrect info in this sub-forum, even in jest, will only confuse and miss-lead new players. Those statements are miss-leading new players into thinking they need those types of modules to succeed in this game. I'm pretty sure that goes against the forum rules. DMC
Wow, it is happening....
I"m agreeing with DMC
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
5704
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Posted - 2015.01.18 23:20:56 -
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As for where all the sites are in hisec, I have had great success simply neading out from Hek in the general direction of Jark and "flipping a coin" to decide where to go next. I have an advantage though: my play time is right before DT, when the population is much lower.
Head out to lowsec, you will make ten times more per site. It will take longer because the sites are harder and you pretty much have to run away and cloak any time someone else enters local, but you will end up richer for it both in terms of ISK and experience.
Day 0 Advice for New Players
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Pod Panik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.01.18 23:28:24 -
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I don't have the skills and gear yet (decent ship and cloaking) for low sec yet...but i'll try it asap. Hopefully i can be in a corp who will show be the basics of low/null exploration live.
Btw, what is thw difference between low and high sec? No police other then station guards in low sec? What are the other consequences of killing another player in low sec?
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
5705
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Posted - 2015.01.19 00:10:52 -
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It is far cheaper to make your lowsec mistakes in a T1 astrometrics frigate than a covops frigate :)
The basic rules of lowsec are that you get Criminal flagged and sentry aggro for initiating combat against an "innocent" target (i.e.: the actions that would get you CONCORDOKKENED in highsec). You will take security status hits for aggression too. You can clear sentry aggro by warping or jumping off-grid, then return and keep figting. The Criminal flag will stick for a while, so don't go jumping into highsec unless you want to get rid of your ship and are too lazy to eject.
More about Crimewatch here: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/73443
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
45893
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Posted - 2015.01.19 00:31:01 -
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Pod Panik wrote:How can you tell the DED level before going in? Should my scan reveil it?
What type of vessel should I get to do DED 1 and 2? I am with the Reaper and Probe for now.
Also, if i found a signature and I am scanning it at 0.25 AU and I still can't get it above 45%, does it mean its too hard for my gear/skill set?
Finally, i hoped to use Exploration to generate the cash to upgrade my ship. It does not seem I will be making any profit anytime soon. Any other recommendation to get me started?
Ps: many thanks all! The easy way to see what level the site is - check Evelopedia. Most of the exploration site pages are updated and list the correct info. When you warp to the site you should get a pop-up message with a brief description of the site.
For example this pop-up message when warping to the 'Angel Cartel Occupied Mining Colony' site :
Quote:Despite numerous laws across the empires bolstering security regulations after the outbreak of Sansha incursions in YC 113, mining colonies still provide a weak, target-rich environment for pirate factions. The Angel Cartel takes an unorthodox approach to these colonies, imprisoning the miners and replacing them with their own excavation teams, led by a Domination Excavator. The CDIA has yet to determine what the Cartel is after, though no significant amount of traditionally valuable ore has been taken. DED Threat Assessment: 4 of 10 If it doesn't list the DED number at the end of the message, then it's not a DED Rated site.
Since we're talking about Exploration combat sites, you'll be needing a combat ship. Preferably one with bonus to weapons.
The DED report value indicates what type of ships can access the acceleration gates. Players may also access the site with a smaller class ship. For example players can use a Frigate or Destroyer instead of a Cruiser to access a DED 3/10 site.
1/10 Frigate 2/10 Destroyer 3/10 Cruiser 4/10 Battlecruiser 5/10 Battleship
Anything above DED 5/10 should be done with a small Fleet.
If you can't get an exploration signature above 45% signal strength all that means is you need to train up your scanning / probing skills. After that if needed you can fit up modules to help boost the ships ability to scan and lastly, install scanning implants on your clone.
High Sec Exploration can be very lucrative, you just have to apply yourself which I posted here.
Good luck.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Pod Panik
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.01.19 00:36:38 -
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If i go in low sec without a cloak, what is my life expectency?
I do pilot a Probe for now...and they are cheap to fit.
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
45893
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Posted - 2015.01.19 00:41:57 -
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Rookie Lowsec Survival Guide
Most of the info is still good in that guide, I'm surprised nobody has listed it with their recommendation to go to Low Sec.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1333
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Posted - 2015.01.19 02:21:36 -
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Pod Panik wrote:If i go in low sec without a cloak, what is my life expectency? I do pilot a Probe for now...and they are cheap to fit.
T1 frigates can fit cloaks, just not covops cloak.
Learn to use the cloak/MWD trick.
I regularly take an Epithal into low when I have too much stuff to move in my BR and so far despite being shot up a few times it has survived thanks to warp stabs, nanos and cloak/MWD. More importantly if I do lose it it is cheap to replace. |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
107
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Posted - 2015.01.19 22:27:12 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Tipa Riot wrote:Orlacc wrote:Low sec scanning works better with lots of blue or purple modules. Actually non-combat exploration is the profession which benefits the least from those colors ... If you want to equip colored modules, take the green ones Those statements from both Orlacc and Tipa Riot are untrue. Ts ts, how can an "if you want ..." statement be untrue? And the rest of my sentence fragment is perfectly true according to your own statement .
But back on topic, once using a covops, sisters probes are a must and sisters launchers are viable but a bit too expensive imo. Train for Astro V to get into T2.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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