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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.01.18 06:16:34 -
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I just found out there is a name for my condition: DSPD or Delayed Sleep Phase Disorder. Well now I know what I have, but what do I do to fix it?
For years now I have had a sleep schedule that jumps around from time to time, mostly settling on me falling asleep near or after dawn. If undisturbed, I sleep well but gravitate quickly toward a sleep pattern that makes it difficult to associate with other people. But if I stay up to interact with others or try to push my sleep schedule where I want it, I can end up 2-3 cycles behind in sleep before I finally am able to sleep at night. And coffee doesn't help much because the amount I need to stay awake in the day after missing 2 sleep cycles is still enough for the residual amounts of caffeine in my system to keep me up when night falls.
Anyone have any ideas, or know anything about this disorder?
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Erica Dusette
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2015.01.18 06:36:54 -
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I don't know anything about the disorder you mentioned, but I can totally empathize with the symptoms you talk about experiencing. Life of a shift worker holding down two jobs lol
12h shifts that run in a month of nightshifts, followed by month of dayshifts with a second dayjob sprinkled inbetween. Lots of coffee too for obvious reasons. Result is a body-clock and sleeping pattern that is somewhat ... decimated.
Hope you find some answers or fixes for what you're going through, Reaver. For me it's simply a matter of holding out another year or two until I can quit this crappy job.
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Snagletooth Johnson
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.18 06:41:45 -
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Wow, and your boss really bought that cart of bullshit?
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.01.18 06:54:10 -
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Snagletooth Johnson wrote:Wow, and your boss really bought that cart of bullshit? If I had a boss. I would work so hard to keep a decent job but it's very difficult for me to find anything available. And having a severe sleep disorder does not make it any easier.
I'm sure there are many people who try to claim DSPD to get easy benefits, but I actually have the condition and let me tell you it is NOT fun. I wouldn't mind it in the slightest if other people were active when I am, but all of the times I want to go out there's nothing to do and nobody to see. All of the times when I am ready to make phone calls, nobody is available. All of the times when I want to look for work, it's an effort just to drag myself out of the house, especially since even after coffee I'm sleepier than I was before it a couple of hours earlier when everyone was still asleep.
So I'll ask you to please refrain from calling my disorder a "cart of bullshit", as I would be more than willing to operate within normal human guidelines if it were at all possible for me to do so.
Perhaps if I could get benefits for my condition, it would be more bearable, but as it stands, it is only penalties for me.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29525
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Posted - 2015.01.18 07:48:27 -
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Countless studies claim that human sleep cycles will begin to offset themselves by half an hour or more each day. Wake later, fall asleep later. Left unchecked, this continues until our sleep schedule is flipped from day / night. My psychiatrist has told me the same thing. I don't mean to say it's good or bad. But it's safe to assume it is common.
Aside from medication for sleep, I also regulate my diet to low-calorie, and usually nothing after 5 PM. Otherwise I'm up with food in my stomach, and too many calories available to fall asleep. Exercise is a popular suggestion, but that's a whole new set of commitments and risks so I prefer to just not feed the machine.
It may never resolve itself. You should also be aware that sleep is connected to other problems later in life. For one, insomniacs crave sugar more often than people with stable sleep patterns, and this can lead to diabetes. Alzheimer's, Osteoporosis, and Schizophrenia are other late-age conditions that *I've read* are related to lifelong Insomnia.
Excuse me for not making an effort to cite any of the aforementioned. I assume you'll do some digging on your own.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.01.18 14:04:53 -
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Rain6637 wrote:Countless studies claim that human sleep cycles will begin to offset themselves by half an hour or more each day. Wake later, fall asleep later. Left unchecked, this continues until our sleep schedule is flipped from day / night. My psychiatrist has told me the same thing. I don't mean to say it's good or bad. But it's safe to assume it is common. My sleep cycle will flip over several hours in as little as a day, and immediately lock into a cycle I can't break out of until my general lifestyle makes a significant change such as work, place of residence, or something else major enough to disrupt my sleep cycle. It often changes from such things, but I can't find any pattern that will help me put it where I want it or control it, and I rarely have the resources available to choose to make the lifestyle changes that lead to these sleep cycle changes.
Rain6637 wrote:Aside from medication for sleep, I also regulate my diet to low-calorie, and usually nothing after 5 PM. Otherwise I'm up with food in my stomach, and too many calories available to fall asleep. Exercise is a popular suggestion, but that's a whole new set of commitments and risks so I prefer to just not feed the machine. Yeah a lot of people tell me that. Eating seems to have a slight impact, but not significant enough to use as a treatment. Generally eating helps me fall asleep but it is about as effective as listening to boring music, if not less. Seems to work well for other people but unfortunately not for me.
Rain6637 wrote:It may never resolve itself. You should also be aware that sleep is connected to other problems later in life. For one, insomniacs crave sugar more often than people with stable sleep patterns, and this can lead to diabetes. Alzheimer's, Osteoporosis, and Schizophrenia are other late-age conditions that *I've read* are related to lifelong Insomnia. Sure, but I don't have insomnia. I actually sleep rather well if left to my own devices. It's not my disorder that gives me trouble, rather it is the society I live in which feels I should get up at 7 in the morning that gives me trouble. If everyone agreed that we should go to sleep at about 7:00 AM, I'd have the best sleep of anyone I know.
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Ria Nieyli
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
31038
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Posted - 2015.01.18 14:08:54 -
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Rain6637 wrote:Countless studies claim that human sleep cycles will begin to offset themselves by half an hour or more each day. Wake later, fall asleep later. Left unchecked, this continues until our sleep schedule is flipped from day / night. My psychiatrist has told me the same thing. I don't mean to say it's good or bad. But it's safe to assume it is common.
Aside from medication for sleep, I also regulate my diet to low-calorie, and usually nothing after 5 PM. Otherwise I'm up with food in my stomach, and too many calories available to fall asleep. Exercise is a popular suggestion, but that's a whole new set of commitments and risks so I prefer to just not feed the machine.
It may never resolve itself. You should also be aware that sleep is connected to other problems later in life. For one, insomniacs crave sugar more often than people with stable sleep patterns, and this can lead to diabetes. Alzheimer's, Osteoporosis, and Schizophrenia are other late-age conditions that *I've read* are related to lifelong Insomnia.
Excuse me for not making an effort to cite any of the aforementioned. I assume you'll do some digging on your own.
Yeah that happens to most people I know. Including me. Except that "half an hour or more" can last a couple of days in my case. Send help. Or don't. |
Ria Nieyli
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
31038
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Posted - 2015.01.18 14:11:24 -
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And sleep time just keeps moving around the clock, it doesn't settle itself.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.01.18 14:23:35 -
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I have at times felt like my sleep cycle was endlessly wandering around the clock, like I would do better with longer day/night cycles. But other times (especially in more recent years) it just gets stuck somewhere. I try to get to sleep before 7 AM....NOPE. I try to stay up past 7 AM.....7:30 I'm a zombie. Right now I look at the time--it is 6:21 AM and there are so many things I need to do today. I have been waiting since yesterday evening and finally as my chance arrives it is about to slip away from me. So I have to decide: do I want to gulp down a lot of coffee and hope I can stay awake, or do I want to force myself up after only 5 hours of sleep? Either way I won't be functional until right after everyone else closes down for the day.
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Ares Desideratus
Star Children Of Cain
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Posted - 2015.01.18 15:26:51 -
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Sometimes I stay up all night doing random stuff like drawing with crayons, exercising, playing guitar or watching videos or movies or something.
Usually if I do this I'll end up staying up till at least 5am, and by that point it's impossible to wake up the next day any earlier than lunch time.
So the next day I of course wake up late and due to waking up so late I will be unable to get to sleep at a reasonable hour as I stayed up all night the night before, so the sleep cycle is ****** at this point.
Usually what I do to fix it is to stay up all night and pull an all-nighter without going to sleep, stay up all day the following day, and then by the time night comes again I will have stayed up well over 24 hours so it's pretty easy at that point to get to sleep at a reasonable hour. This works like a charm but it can be hard to stay up all night sometimes.
Try some Melatonin, it's good for getting you to sleep.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29529
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Posted - 2015.01.18 17:27:17 -
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Self-diagnoses are in style, I guess.
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Mizhir
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.01.18 17:57:28 -
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Rain6637 wrote:Countless studies claim that human sleep cycles will begin to offset themselves by half an hour or more each day. Wake later, fall asleep later. Left unchecked, this continues until our sleep schedule is flipped from day / night. My psychiatrist has told me the same thing. I don't mean to say it's good or bad. But it's safe to assume it is common.
The normal human circadian cycle is 25 hours. It is only because of the photosensitivy of the pineal gland that it gets corrected to 24 hours. However artificial light can disrupt this.
@Reaver. It is first time I have heard about the disorder. One thing you could do is limit the ammount of blue light you recieve during the evening. There should be programs out there that makes your computer tune down the blue light after sunset. Initially it will look odd, but when you get used to it it is hardly noticeable.
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Big Lynx
Chaotic Tranquility Warp to Cyno.
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Posted - 2015.01.18 19:12:37 -
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Violet Hurst
Fedaya Recon
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Posted - 2015.01.18 21:11:25 -
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Well, i never saw it as a disorder really. Flexitime, lots of artificial light and lack of sporting activities were just bound to get me out of sync. (Go to work, stare at screen. Come home, stare at screen) What i do now is basically a lighter version of this. If my sleep pattern is close to something "normal" i try to keep it there, but once it starts sliding again i just let it do so. When it becomes really impractical (getting up at 15:00 or so), i push it forward, preferably utilizing a weekend, and become able to use the forenoon again. |
Frank Millar
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.18 22:00:45 -
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I was going to type a lengthy reply about how distorted sleeping patterns will **** up your life, but it would be rather pointless, because you know that already.
Instead, I will offer this piece of advice:
Don't go asking about medical conditions on an internet forum dedicated to a game with spaceships in it.
Seek professional, medical aid. Seriously. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29530
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Posted - 2015.01.18 22:24:51 -
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I have all outside light blocked from my room. I find that time of day only distracts me from what I'm doing. But, I'm in school full-time and I have this luxury. I've also scheduled all of my classes for late morning or afternoon, so I sleep without an alarm clock. (I know how to live by alarm clock--I spent nearly a decade performing 5:30 AM exercise in the military).
Although we're three hours apart in time zones, I force myself to bed on k8's schedule. Otherwise we'd never see each other online due to this flipping sleep pattern issue.
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Snagletooth Johnson
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.19 01:32:23 -
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So the jist of this disorder is, your parents are threatening to kick you out of the basement again and youve run out of excuses, so you googled something and hoping the Eve community can help you fill in the blanks.
You have a disorder, but you've misdiagnosed, you have "Atypical Liberalotus notus wantingus to workitus"
You parents are just giving you the cure, embrace it.
Oh, and where's your blog? i know you have one. |
Ria Nieyli
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
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Posted - 2015.01.19 02:09:16 -
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Rain6637 wrote:I have all outside light blocked from my room. I find that time of day only distracts me from what I'm doing. But, I'm in school full-time and I have this luxury. I've also scheduled all of my classes for late morning or afternoon, so I sleep without an alarm clock. (I know how to live by alarm clock--I spent nearly a decade performing 5:30 AM exercise in the military).
Although we're three hours apart in time zones, I force myself to bed on k8's schedule. Otherwise we'd never see each other online due to this flipping sleep pattern issue.
Whenever I'd set an alarm for myself, I'd wake up with 5-15 minutes left on the clock. Haven't heard what my alarm sounds like in ages. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.01.19 11:26:51 -
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Snagletooth Johnson wrote:So the jist of this disorder is, your parents are threatening to kick you out of the basement again and youve run out of excuses, so you googled something and hoping the Eve community can help you fill in the blanks.
You have a disorder, but you've misdiagnosed, you have "Atypical Liberalotus notus wantingus to workitus"
You parents are just giving you the cure, embrace it.
Oh, and where's your blog? i know you have one. I am 31 years old, my father has been dead for years, my mother is living on her own and would require assistance from me if I could offer any. I've been dealing with this problem through thick and thin, and it has never prevented me from working, though it has made work a lot more difficult at times. For years I have searched for a solution and have yet to find one that works in more circumstances than a blue moon. I may enjoy goofing around but I'd enjoy being able to pay my bills a lot more. I am actually a hard working and honest individual in great health, and would make an employer very delighted to have me, were I able to find one that even interviews more than 0.1% of applicants, or has ever hired someone not thoroughly overqualified or in the family even once in the past eight years.
My parents have no cure for me, I am on my own here, and I am not asking for sympathy. But your comments are short-sighted, prejudicial, offensive, and hurtful. I'd be willing to wager I am healthier, more intelligent, and a better worker than you, but I neither see an easy way to settle that nor consider it to be a point of contention between us.
And no, I don't have a blog.
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
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Posted - 2015.01.20 01:23:56 -
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Some uninformed conjectures about sleep patterns: -I spent some time living on a Pacific island close to the equator. Because of the equatorial location, you had about 12 hours of daylight and 12 hours of night, year-round. There were no employers, and no 9:00 to 5:00 schedule to keep. But people generally went to bed around 9:30-10:00 PM (a couple of hours after dark), just because there was nothing to do in the dark but sit around a kerosene lantern and talk about not much. They got up before the birds, just because there was so much more to do in the daylight.
But-- When the full moon came around, and the fish were lively, the guys got up whenever and went out to harvest some good food. I'd be the only guy feeling like crap out in the lagoon at 2:00 AM, without enough sleep. I never saw one of the local guys not fully up, energized, and ready.
So, the circadian rhythm thing didn't seem to apply to those humans. They seemed to follow monthly Moon cycles, not daily Sun cycles. Sleep wasn't a set pattern for them. They did it and did not do it, according to what the body needed and what was going on at the time.
So, perhaps the modern world's circadian rhythm sleep cycle isn't hard-wired into us at all. Maybe it's a custom from temperate-zone people (Euros, N. Americans, N. Asians, etc.) that has become an expected norm for all humans. Even if their bodies are wired to follow lunar cycles, or no cycle, or whatever.
-Sometime in the early 19th century, I think, so French proto-anthropologists observed people in a village in the colder part of France. In the Fall, the people worked frantically to harvest all of the crops grown over the Spring and Summer. Then, when all of the food was put up and stored, they kind of hibernated all winter. During the long Winter nights, they'd sleep 12 hours or more. They'd wake up and groggily stoke the fire and cook and eat some food, making sure not to get too awake. After the grub down, everybody crawled back into the sack and slept again. The Winter passed by with minimal fuel (heating or food) needs. When Spring daylight and warmth came, everybody came out and resumed vigorous grower and animal husbandry life.
So, modern anthropologists think this may have been how our pre-Industrial ancestors lives. Not year-round intensive peasant labor, but cycles of moderate activity, intense activity, and little activity.
What's the point? Don't know, but is Delayed Sleep Phase Disorder really a 'disorder'? It could be that every community needed that one guy who could wake them up, at the time it was prime to get out there and put some good grub on the table.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.01.20 01:41:26 -
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I like your conjecture so I hate to break your chain of thought but it is already known that circadian rhythm is built into us and is partly calibrated by the environments we experience in early childhood, and is also partly a response to light levels around us. My guess is those people you met had a circadian rhythm that assisted them in getting up when it's light, given that the times it would be light were entirely predictable from a biological standpoint and followed patterns that haven't changed much in the past several dozen million years, at least not for that specific geographical location. It is almost certain that if you move one of them to a place with a very different lighting cycle, they would find themselves up during complete darkness at times and asleep or sleepy during light at times, and that the conflict between their light-sensing response and built-in rhythm would cause loss of sleep and physiological distress.
Khergit Deserters wrote:What's the point? Don't know, but is Delayed Sleep Phase Disorder really a 'disorder'? It could be that every community needed that one guy who could wake them up, at the time it was prime to get out there and put some good grub on the table. It's unlikely to be something that primitive societies relied on due to its rarity, unless it is merely a recessive trait and was much more common in a certain region before it was diluted. But that is a distinct possibility. While they wouldn't have needed anyone to get them up in the morning, it would have been very favorable perhaps for them to have one person awake at night to keep watch. With each person sleeping about 8 hours per day-cycle, the nocturnal individual(s) would have a significant amount of time each day to interact with the others.
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Lachesiss
Jovian Vengeance The Jovian Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.20 21:49:14 -
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Have you had your melatonin levels tested?
Sleep clinics in the uk offer help with the sleep issue's your having and whilst they run a full test over a couple of nights stay they take samples via blood or urine at the times your body clock is supposed to tell you to go to bed.
If your melatonin is screwed up i believe they can give very small doses to see if this works. As far as I know they do a full body check as well.
Test your brain function Heart blood counts.
All that medical stuff.
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Lock'n'Point
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Posted - 2015.01.22 15:10:01 -
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Big Lynx wrote:Relax a bit with xhamster and sleep like a baby.
Nasty.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.01.23 00:38:54 -
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I'd love to get checked out at a sleep clinic, now I just have to find one in my area that will take me.
I can feel where my melatonin levels are, but it'll be nice to put it on paper.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29599
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Posted - 2015.01.24 08:09:20 -
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You realize, if you intake caffeine, or you don't avoid chocolate (for its caffeine content) you don't have a leg to stand on.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.01.24 10:54:07 -
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I shy away from caffeine for the most part because it messes up my sleep cycle, but I'm not really sure what you mean anyway. I can stand while caffeinated, sometimes better than when not.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29599
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Posted - 2015.01.24 11:33:59 -
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As someone with a diagnosed condition (insomnia) I guess I'm just trying to keep it real. I also have prescriptions for Adderall, along with an Insomnia prescription of Quetiapine. And Peroxetine, an antidepressant, but standard for a lot of veterans with PTSD symptoms.
I *may* be awesome. Anyway.
I don't know what type of mental gymnastics you're attempting to put me through, but the basic idea behind my comment is that if you take a condition seriously, the rational thing to do is isolate that condition and avoid things that would aggravate it. Like caffeine. Until you do that, you can't really establish a baseline for yourself.
Now. The combination of Adderall, Quetiapine, and Peroxetine is about as rockstar as you can get. Having been a medic, and having a trusting relationship with my psychiatrist, I'm basically on grown-ass-man rules to use my medications properly. The Adderall may be a stimulant, but the form I use (instant release) dissipates after four hours... so it's something I can use alongside my other prescriptions.
Caffeine, however, has some lasting effects that go beyond the wakeful periods. Most importantly, your rest will not be as deep. It also affects your mood, and no one is impervious to it.
I will relate and say that when I used caffeine to regulate myself, most of the time I felt like a piece of burned paper. I don't know how else to describe it.
If you're concerned and would like to get a handle on your sleep habits, you should quit the Caffeine.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.01.24 12:38:18 -
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My condition isn't a problem for me by itself. It just makes it difficult for me to cope with other sleep schedules. I only use caffeine because I have no other choice. The caffeine is so far the only drug I use for medication, and I do use it medicinally. When I say I have DSPD I am not trying to get sympathy from people. I don't have a big problem. I made this post to get information. I'd love to seek help from a professional but I've been trying to do that without success for most of my life now. Costs more money to get a screening than I am able to pay for treatment.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29599
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Posted - 2015.01.24 14:19:20 -
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What I started doing instead of trying to keep myself awake is forcing myself to sleep. Maybe we're different in what our bodies tend to do--mine will stay awake for days on end, and only fall asleep for cat naps, or finally when I'm exhausted, for 18 hours+
You can ask Kate what my sleep used to be like.
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
2286
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Posted - 2015.01.24 18:25:14 -
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That sounds terrible.
Perhaps you could say I am 50% insomnic. During one half of the day, I can't sleep without being multiple days behind in sleep. During the other half, I can sleep when I'm barely tired.
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