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Jeane DuPont
DuPont Enterprises Fluffeh Bunneh Murder Squad
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Posted - 2015.01.18 22:12:59 -
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Talocan were able to use static gates in an efficient way, demanding less energy than we do with our gates, to create wormholes or space rifts. Our acceleration gates are just a fraction of what Talocan could do with their static gates.
Talocan were able to cloack and travel FTL cloaked. The 'Smokescreen' covert ops cloaking device is entirely Talocan technology and its a very sophisticated piece of hardware. I think we barely understand Talocan tech in this arena and I say this even being able to manufacture those modules.
Talocan were able to generate several kinds of energy fields using them for defense with great effectiveness. The 'Posse' Adaptive Invulnerability Field is essentialy Talocan technology we were able to adapt on our ships.
Any coincidence to what you have seen being used by those Circadian Seekers in their way to pursue spaceships accross vast spaces even faster than our own ships, as well as the basic shielding every sleeper and seeker have and also the way those cloaked structures are cloaked and move (they don't disapear, they move somewhere else) away to different systems?
No, no coincidences. You are surely dealing with Talocan technology.
Now a reasonable assumption would be that those Circadian Seekers are not only spying and learning from us.... By having the technology to travel FTL to different systems without the requirement of jump gates (and lanes) but their own static ones, they could, and should, as well, be doing the same with the Jove. Assuming Jovians are more developed than us (??) what could we expect from those Seekers in the future, if their activity of scanning and espionage, uploading data and warp off are acchieved as successfuly as it has been against us?
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Jaret Victorian
Crystalis Foundation
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Posted - 2015.01.18 22:46:21 -
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Ah, more encyclopedia stuff.
I don't think you thought it through. Are there actually any evidence that these drones do not use gates? You know that the gates you (or we) use are not the only ones in this or the other system?
Jovians are extinct, let's face it already.
What do we expect from seekers? I think if we continue to shoot them they will become more aggressive. Repair them and show them how friendly and nice we are. Imagine having a sleeper drone pet, that would be nice, yes?
Bad things should happen to bad people. We find someone not so bad, maybe he'll end up not so dead.
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
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Posted - 2015.01.18 22:56:12 -
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Ms. DuPont; I really don't see how the Jove tie in with the rest of what you've written. What's more, while Talocan technology may be used in 'Smokescreen' and 'Posse' devices, the former is simply a more efficient equivalent to our existing covert cloaking technology, and the latter is actually less effective than the shield systems commonly produced. What's more, I don't necessarily see how Talocan static gates factor into Sleeper capabilities: while Sleeper and Talocan wrecks are found in proximity in wormhole systems, I think we've fairly well come to the conclusion that these were two distinct peoples.
Admittedly, it is odd that these drones have shields, whereas the Sleeper drones in wormhole space don't have shields at all-- but that's neither here nor there.
Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs.
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Jeane DuPont
DuPont Enterprises Fluffeh Bunneh Murder Squad
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Posted - 2015.01.18 23:00:07 -
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Jaret Victorian wrote:Ah, more encyclopedia stuff.
I don't think you thought it through. Are there actually any evidence that these drones do not use gates? You know that the gates you (or we) use are not the only ones in this or the other system?
Are there any evidence they do? By having lived closely to the Talocans as we could discover by WH exploration and data analysis shoudn't we conclude they could be just using former Talocan static gates technology? By placing things into context everything fits: energy fields, cloaking of structures and FTL travel without jump gates, all Talocan tech...
Jaret Victorian wrote:Jovians are extinct, let's face it already.
If they are extinct it would be even easier for Circadian Seekers to learn their technology then, as every dying civilization leaves several remnants behind. They would be doing, not us, in your scenario.
Jaret Victorian wrote:What do we expect from seekers? I think if we continue to shoot them they will become more aggressive. Repair them and show them how friendly and nice we are. Imagine having a sleeper drone pet, that would be nice, yes?
Well.... if the Jove are not dead and most likely in the same situation than us with regard to Circadian Seekers, I hope they are outsmarting us by not giving them unnecessary info as our "trigger happy" brothers are.
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Jeane DuPont
DuPont Enterprises Fluffeh Bunneh Murder Squad
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Posted - 2015.01.18 23:11:52 -
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Makoto Priano wrote: What's more, I don't necessarily see how Talocan static gates factor into Sleeper capabilities: while Sleeper and Talocan wrecks are found in proximity in wormhole systems, I think we've fairly well come to the conclusion that these were two distinct peoples.
To answer to this I make use of another post on a different thread in this Summit, with regard to Circadian Seekers studies: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=391901
Gods Prophet wrote:A troubling new turn.
My corp mate reported that he and two other corpies attacked a group of Circadian sleepers on a gate while on the way to a mission. They defeated them, then jumped thru the gate to the next system where the mission was. When they arrived at the acceleration gate to the mission...
More Circadian Sleepers were waiting for them.
The Seekers immediately engaged my corp mates which suggests they were tied to the original group that were defeated. My friends defeated the seekers and they then warped into the mission and during the battle with the mission rats MORE seekers warped in and engaged my corp mates.
This FTL travel capabilities can't be created by jump gates. It is obvious they are using static gates technology in order to make those runs towards fixed AND moving targets.
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Jaret Victorian
Crystalis Foundation
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Posted - 2015.01.18 23:20:51 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Ms. DuPont; I really don't see how the Jove tie in with the rest of what you've written. Yeah, but we should consider that Jove live in our cluster and seeker drones could make it to their space.
Jeane DuPont wrote:
Are there any evidence they do? By having lived closely to the Talocans as we could discover by WH exploration and data analysis shoudn't we conclude they could be just using former Talocan static gates technology? By placing things into context everything fits: energy fields, cloaking of structures and FTL travel without jump gates, all Talocan tech...
Well... True that, I haven't seen them using any stargates and I haven't seen them not using any stargates. By the way, you can somewhat capture them by using scrams on them. Last time I did it they just kept scanning me.
Jeane DuPont wrote:If they are extinct it would be even easier for Circadian Seekers to learn their technology then, as every dying civilization leaves several remnants behind. They would be doing, not us, in your scenario.
Well.... if the Jove are not dead and most likely in the same situation than us with regard to Circadian Seekers, I hope they are outsmarting us by not giving them unnecessary info as our "trigger happy" brothers are. Three possible solutions, in my opinion. If drones and Jove are connected. Or even if they are not.
- First, if Jove are extinct that means that (if seekers made it to their space) drones are exploring their tech. - Second, if Jove are not extinct, they do not consider them a threat worthy enough to contact us (That is if they even can contact us. I mean, Caroline's star, supernova, they're all dead, communications failure etc.). Or they did contact CONCORD or other officials and we simply do not know about it. Because who are we, after all? Sociopaths and murderers, in most cases. - Third. Jove and seekers are not connected and they didnot make it to their space. We are on our own to solve this.
Bad things should happen to bad people. We find someone not so bad, maybe he'll end up not so dead.
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Soldarius
Kosher Nostra The 99 Percent
1045
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Posted - 2015.01.19 18:43:12 -
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I wonder if the Jove would open up their space to allow us to rebuild their jumpgate network?
http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
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Quattras Peione
Gentlemen of Fortune.
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Posted - 2015.01.19 21:16:15 -
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Not that it's of any help, but it's worth noting that not the whole network is down - there are two small clusters of functional gates on the far end of Jove space. |
Celestia Via
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc The 11th Hour Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.20 13:08:49 -
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Makoto Priano wrote: while Sleeper and Talocan wrecks are found in proximity in wormhole systems, I think we've fairly well come to the conclusion that these were two distinct peoples.
Have we?
I am beginning to toy with the idea it is not so.
Although, there is some evidence of conflict, those are not extensive enough to convince me of a Talocan - Sleeper war. If we assume those two existed together in Anoikis, an open war between them would leave more evidence behind. According to my observations so far, most of their sites are intact and there are no Sleeper wrecks to be found. If there was indeed a war between them, it had to be swift and largely one-sided.
But what if.. what if the Talocan somehow became what we call "the Sleepers"?
There is no real evidence to support such a claim. Only clues.
The Talocan wrecks may appear different in design than known Sleeper models, they are however similar in technology. Note how when a Talocan hull is salvaged it can yield a wrecked hull section, or an intact hull section. Note how both items have been identified as Sleeper in origin by expert researchers.
About the design: This is the most basic Sleeper design we have encountered. Note the lack of "appendages" and generally the lack of the Insectoid architecture we see in most Sleeper hulls.
This is the Talocan Frigate.
Assuming the most basic sleeper design is also the oldest one, is it too wild to think that just maybe, the sleeper design is the evolution of the Talocan one? That it could be an evolutionary link of some sort.
I will continue my research on this matter, unless someone can disprove this theory.
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Jeane DuPont
DuPont Enterprises Fluffeh Bunneh Murder Squad
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Posted - 2015.01.20 18:04:29 -
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Celestia Via wrote:Assuming the most basic sleeper design is also the oldest one, is it too wild to think that just maybe, the sleeper design is the evolution of the Talocan one? That it could be an evolutionary link of some sort.
I will continue my research on this matter, unless someone can disprove this theory.
Very interesting point. When DUPO conducted research in Talocan few years ago we ran an AI which was specifically designed to help on the generation of hipothesis and one found most probable was that Talocans and Sleepers were allied in the "region" we call Anoikis. I find very hard to believe a war between them actually took place, as you do as well. Depending on the "end" the Talocan did, the basic Sleeper design could still be an evolution of the Talocan one without necessarely imply that Sleepers derive from Talocans...
Celestia Via wrote:I am convinced that this is the case, or in any case, someone did. CONCORD issued an eloquent warning only hours before the Seekers actually started responding to our fire. Was that simple premonition? I think not. They were warned.
Didn't know that but it surely adds to the line of reasoning.
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Eran Mintor
Furtherance.
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Posted - 2015.01.21 08:32:22 -
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Celestia Via wrote:Makoto Priano wrote: while Sleeper and Talocan wrecks are found in proximity in wormhole systems, I think we've fairly well come to the conclusion that these were two distinct peoples.
Have we? I am beginning to toy with the idea it is not so. ...
I'm also leaning towards this belief, though concrete evidence is rather lacking thus far.
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Jukko Riis
Black Rise Colonial Exploration
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Posted - 2015.01.21 11:49:21 -
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Yesterday I found a Sleeper Data site.
In HighSec.
Damned difficult to scan down too.
Is this fairly common or a new facet? Previously, I've only encountered them in WH space.
Black Rise Colonial Exploration
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Jaret Victorian
Crystalis Foundation
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Posted - 2015.01.21 11:53:18 -
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Jukko Riis wrote:Yesterday I found a Sleeper Data site.
In HighSec.
Damned difficult to scan down too.
Is this fairly common or a new facet? Previously, I've only encountered them in WH space. Caches you mean? Crystal Chantreuse is making a report on them here.
Bad things should happen to bad people. We find someone not so bad, maybe he'll end up not so dead.
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Jukko Riis
Black Rise Colonial Exploration
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Posted - 2015.01.21 23:59:27 -
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Jaret Victorian wrote:Jukko Riis wrote:Yesterday I found a Sleeper Data site.
In HighSec.
Damned difficult to scan down too.
Is this fairly common or a new facet? Previously, I've only encountered them in WH space. Caches you mean? Crystal Chantreuse is making a report on them here.
Could have been.
Time to brain slot a doctorate course or two and upgrade my gear.
Black Rise Colonial Exploration
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