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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1561
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Posted - 2015.01.22 19:34:40 -
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Mitara Newelle wrote:Diana Kim wrote:For me blood raiders are just petty pirates... You would feel quite differently if you were of Faith, which those who initially attacked the structure were, and many of those involved in it's final destruction were. Excuse me, ma'am, but I am just a "filthy heathen", and for all I do I will be probably boiled in hell, or whatever they do with all the terrible people. But yet I do what must be done and treat enemies according to their actual threat for maximal efficiency, because someone has to do it.
Better me, than, say, your children, right? |
Mitara Newelle
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
205
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Posted - 2015.01.22 21:25:29 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Mitara Newelle wrote:Diana Kim wrote:For me blood raiders are just petty pirates... You would feel quite differently if you were of Faith, which those who initially attacked the structure were, and many of those involved in it's final destruction were. Excuse me, ma'am, but I am just a "filthy heathen", and for all I do I will be probably boiled in hell, or whatever they do with all the terrible people. But yet I do what must be done and treat enemies according to their actual threat for maximal efficiency, because someone has to do it. Better me, than, say, your children, right?
My point, Ms Kim, is that the priority of a threat of this nature is going to be different among the Faithful than those such as yourself. There was no implication of right or wrong. Some of your fellow countrymen assisted in this endeavor and I would not be surprised, or at all offended, if they felt as you and did not place this as high a priority as I.
We both serve our respective people, Ms Kim... and I am not sure what my children would be doing in Hasmijaala, let alone piloting vessels of war... |
Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
317
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Posted - 2015.01.22 21:31:17 -
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Yes, Kim. Blood Raiders are worse than Republic supporters or Freedom Fighters. Much worse.
Lord Admiral of PIE inc. | -áRecruitment Information | Public Forum | Neocom channel: "PIE Public" | Amarr Victor!
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Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
298
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Posted - 2015.01.22 23:56:00 -
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Not only have those who destroyed this tower damned themselves to the lowest Hell, but they have also drenched their own hands in the blood of slaves.
During previous actions against my towers, PIE had brought along a Kamiera boarding party, supposedly to reduce casualties among the slaves that would otherwise occur had the tower's hangers simply been destroyed and whatever slaves that survived picked up among the wreckage. This time, however, it appeared to my scout that the fleet simply destroyed the hanger as soon as the shields fell. This action, I believe, would have killed about half of the slaves instantly; that is, the aggressing fleet just flat out killed about 25,000 slaves.
Pilots from PIE and SFRIM did eventually bring in transports to recover survivors from the now-destroyed hanger; however, I took advantage of a moment when some of the fleet was off-grid to destroy the wreckage before they could complete the work. Almost immediately after that, someone hotdropped the fleet and destroyed several ships GÇö surely this was a sign of Divine Judgement against those who would attack me and a holy and righteous God. So, too, was the intermittant fighting between I-RED and PY-RE GÇö truly God has sown seeds of discord among his enemies. Amen. Amarr Victor.
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Angel T Hunter
Brutor Tribe
6
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Posted - 2015.01.23 00:03:44 -
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Nauplius wrote:Not only have those who destroyed this tower damned themselves to the lowest Hell, but they have also drenched their own hands in the blood of slaves.
During previous actions against my towers, PIE had brought along a Kamiera boarding party, supposedly to reduce casualties among the slaves that would otherwise occur had the tower's hangers simply been destroyed and whatever slaves that survived picked up among the wreckage. This time, however, it appeared to my scout that the fleet simply destroyed the hanger as soon as the shields fell. This action, I believe, would have killed about half of the slaves instantly; that is, the aggressing fleet just flat out killed about 25,000 slaves.
Pilots from PIE and SFRIM did eventually bring in transports to recover survivors from the now-destroyed hanger; however, I took advantage of a moment when some of the fleet was off-grid to destroy the wreckage before they could complete the work. Almost immediately after that, someone hotdropped the fleet and destroyed several ships GÇö surely this was a sign of Divine Judgement against those who would attack me and a holy and righteous God. So, too, was the intermittant fighting between I-RED and PY-RE GÇö truly God has sown seeds of discord among his enemies. Amen. Amarr Victor.
NO! The blood is on your hands! |
Benedicta Secheh
Little Sisters of the Most Holy Sword
17
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Posted - 2015.01.23 00:27:12 -
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Nauplius wrote:
occur had the tower's hangers simply been destroyed and whatever slaves that survived picked up among the wreckage. This time, however, it appeared to my scout that the fleet simply destroyed the hanger as soon as the shields fell. This action, I believe, would have killed about half of the slaves instantly; that is, [u]the aggressing fleet just flat out killed about 25,000 slaves
A study of the admittedly sketchy post action reports and what I've heard suggests that only Pyre shot the hangar. Perhaps the Sansha infiltrators in Pyre were mad that Pyre's rules wouldn't let them take the slaves for their own nefarious purposes? Yet another reason why the 24th Imperial Crusade should no longer tolerate heathens, or worse, in their ranks.
As it is, from reports I've heard, it appears that the delays caused by the needless infighting caused by Pyre resulted in a Death by Design hot drop that forced the fleet off grid before the evacuation could be complete, allowing you to inhumanely murder the rest for obscene reasons known only to you.
You as the prime cause, are the ultimate party responsible for the suffering of the slaves. |
Desiderya
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
937
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Posted - 2015.01.23 00:49:11 -
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Fact checking: Clicky.
Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
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Benedicta Secheh
Little Sisters of the Most Holy Sword
17
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Posted - 2015.01.23 00:56:40 -
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Desiderya wrote:Fact checking
Thank you for confirming and admitting. The only pilots to record damage were: Desiderya, Kalaratiri, Zanzibar Heroshima, Souchek Lehman, Jurou Yuan,Jikkarr, and Pieter Tuulinen. Six were members of Pyre. The other is also notorious.
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Shiva Makoto
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
69
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Posted - 2015.01.23 00:57:53 -
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Benedicta Secheh wrote:
A study of the admittedly sketchy post action reports and what I've heard suggests that only Pyre shot the hangar. Perhaps the Sansha infiltrators in Pyre were mad that Pyre's rules wouldn't let them take the slaves for their own nefarious purposes? Yet another reason why the 24th Imperial Crusade should no longer tolerate heathens, or worse, in their ranks.
As it is, from reports I've heard, it appears that the delays caused by the needless infighting caused by Pyre resulted in a Death by Design hot drop that forced the fleet off grid before the evacuation could be complete, allowing you to inhumanely murder the rest for obscene reasons known only to you.
You as the prime cause, are the ultimate party responsible for the suffering of the slaves.
Your "study" is like your posts, ****.
Your post is quite amusing but instead of appealing to the 24th IC you could stop being an impotent coward and take matters in your own hands. We both know you can't and wont. Please spare us with your useless opinion unless you have something to show for. |
Benedicta Secheh
Little Sisters of the Most Holy Sword
17
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Posted - 2015.01.23 00:59:56 -
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Shiva Makoto wrote:Benedicta Secheh wrote:
A study of the admittedly sketchy post action reports and what I've heard suggests that only Pyre shot the hangar. Perhaps the Sansha infiltrators in Pyre were mad that Pyre's rules wouldn't let them take the slaves for their own nefarious purposes? Yet another reason why the 24th Imperial Crusade should no longer tolerate heathens, or worse, in their ranks.
As it is, from reports I've heard, it appears that the delays caused by the needless infighting caused by Pyre resulted in a Death by Design hot drop that forced the fleet off grid before the evacuation could be complete, allowing you to inhumanely murder the rest for obscene reasons known only to you.
You as the prime cause, are the ultimate party responsible for the suffering of the slaves.
Your "study" is like your posts, ****. Your post is quite amusing but instead of appealing to the 24th IC you could stop being an impotent coward and take matters in your own hands. We both know you can't and wont. Please spare us with your useless opinion unless you have something to show for.
An Ad Hominem Attack? Sad. You can do better. You at least, I have always respected in the field due to your fine efforts with In Exile. |
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
4443
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Posted - 2015.01.23 01:11:33 -
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Benedicta Secheh wrote:Desiderya wrote:Fact checking
Thank you for confirming and admitting. The only pilots to record damage were: Desiderya, Kalaratiri, Zanzibar Heroshima, Souchek Lehman, Jurou Yuan,Jikkarr, and Pieter Tuulinen. Six were members of Pyre. The other is also a notorious former TSF Member. You will, honourable Lady, take note of the gallant pilots from PIE and IRED who fired on the Hangar. I hope that the fact that they were too slow to inflict damage isn't considered a plus point? Your prejudices are showing.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Benedicta Secheh
Little Sisters of the Most Holy Sword
17
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Posted - 2015.01.23 01:14:58 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Benedicta Secheh wrote:Desiderya wrote:Fact checking
Thank you for confirming and admitting. The only pilots to record damage were: Desiderya, Kalaratiri, Zanzibar Heroshima, Souchek Lehman, Jurou Yuan,Jikkarr, and Pieter Tuulinen. Six were members of Pyre. The other is also a notorious former TSF Member. You will, honourable Lady, take note of the gallant pilots from PIE and IRED who fired on the Hangar. I hope that the fact that they were too slow to inflict damage isn't considered a plus point? Your prejudices are showing.
Mr. Tuulinen, while I thank you for your courtesy in your response, the reason such records are often unreliable is it records on the modules all those who fired on the tower itself regardless of later actions. The only fact that is crystal clear is Pyre did fire on it before PIE could try to board. I respectfully must inquire: Why?
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1165
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Posted - 2015.01.23 01:17:50 -
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You're demonstrating your lack of understanding of the generation of tower structure killmails, Pieter.
Every individual who fires on a tower and remains in system is added to the killmail of every structure that is subsequently destroyed. I was in warp to retrieve my Prorator when the hangar was destroyed, I never once locked nor fired on it.
Stop trying to pawn off your own deliberate effort. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
4443
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Posted - 2015.01.23 01:21:12 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:You're demonstrating your lack of understanding of the generation of tower structure killmails, Pieter.
Every individual who fires on a tower and remains in system is added to the killmail of every structure that is subsequently destroyed. I was in warp when the hangar was destroyed, I never once locked nor fired on it.
Stop trying to pawn off your own deliberate effort. I fire and lock as directed by my Officers. As I'm sure you do. This is also my first tower kill.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
6698
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Posted - 2015.01.23 01:29:18 -
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Tuulinen, let's be frank. You say your corporation would never desire hostilities, yet you've never once so much as expressed mild regret over the Sansha-ication of PYRE. I-RED does not treat with pirate organizations. PYRE is, at this point, a pirate organization.
Maker, you even threatened to fire on your personal friend, Lt. Kernher, during this operation.
Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs.
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1165
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Posted - 2015.01.23 01:35:10 -
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His wife threatened it. Unless there was other talk I was not privy to. |
Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
6698
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Posted - 2015.01.23 01:49:15 -
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Pardon; meant it in the greater, 'you all,' sense.
Still, I think we know perfectly well that Desiderya is bloodthirsty.
Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs.
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Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
300
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Posted - 2015.01.23 03:05:18 -
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Imagine the utter horror it must have been for those slaves at that moment. Knowing they were under attack. Knowing they could do nothing about it. Knowing they were going to die; a cold death under strange stars; a death without purpose; a death without meaning.
25,000 slaves. You killed them. You are slave killers. That is what you are. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
297
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Posted - 2015.01.23 03:12:11 -
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Nauplius wrote:Imagine the utter horror it must have been for those slaves at that moment. Knowing they were under attack. Knowing they could do nothing about it. Knowing they were going to die; a cold death under strange stars; a death without purpose; a death without meaning.
25,000 slaves. You killed them. You are slave killers. That is what you are.
As if they weren't already experiencing utter horror when they were in your possession. Their death in your hands already has no meaning, no purpose. They are already unable to do anything about being in your confinement hangars.
You killed them long before the shots were fired, you slave killer. The slaves who were evacuated successfully gained 'resurrection'. The others were dead to begin with.
You are the true responsible party.
Cognitive dissonance much?
Look in the mirror before you start accusing others of killing slaves you were already intending to kill. Unless you had discarded and spaced every mirror in your vicinity to start with.
It is also pretty damned clear that you are more sore about losing the tower which you can't adequately protect than the lives of the slaves. I am going to keep calling you out on that.
- Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
4443
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Posted - 2015.01.23 05:40:57 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Tuulinen, let's be frank. You say your corporation would never desire hostilities, yet you've never once so much as expressed mild regret over the Sansha-ication of PYRE. I-RED does not treat with pirate organizations. PYRE is, at this point, a pirate organization.
Maker, you even threatened to fire on your personal friend, Lt. Kernher, during this operation.
Seriously? I can only assume you don't know me as well as I thought you did.
I can't say I support the political affiliations of those Nation Loyalists in our ranks. I'll go further - I despise Kuvakei and I think his vision is sick and wrong. I also think it's important to remember that they are just that, Loyalist Capsuleers, not True Citizens and not True Slaves AND that they are forbidden from networking prisoners while serving Pyre Falcon - all things that I know I-RED knows, because I told them to Korsavius myself.
In addition, the hell with what YOU claim we are, the facts remain that Pyre Falcon is registered with Kaalakiota Corporation, I am a registered Citizen of Kaalakiota with a registered domicile in the Nonni system that I share with my registered spouse, who is a citizen of Wiyrkomi Corporation.
During the operation yesterday we acted wholly within the limits of our sanction as part of the 24th Imperial Crusade. We did NOT target 24th Imperial Crusade members who weren't made legal targets by their own actions and we engaged YOU only because your VERY OWN stubborn diplomacy demanded it.
And I know I didn't threaten to engage Samira Kernher - because I didn't speak a single word during the entirety of the engagement due to our policy of Comms silence in Local. Moreover whilst I never targeted her, as I would need to do so to threaten her in deed, she did, however, target me. This was no doubt at the orders of her officers and I commend her for her attentiveness to her duty.
A shame they felt the need to order her to protect your forces - although I quite understand your need for the protection.
All in all, were I you, I'd be ashamed to utter the name of the Maker in the context of the rest of your statement.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
4443
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Posted - 2015.01.23 05:50:33 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Pardon; meant it in the greater, 'you all,' sense.
Still, I think we know perfectly well that Desiderya is bloodthirsty.
You certainly knew she was bloodthirsty enough not to run away when you warped to us, so I have to lay the blame for your loss during the engagement firmly on your own Command Staff.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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John Revenent
Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
363
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Posted - 2015.01.23 06:58:42 -
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Yes.. yes we know, you despise your fellow Kirjuun. As for the hostilities between our two organizations it is well placed, the State does not tolerate pirates of any flavor.
The fact is the tower was destroyed thanks to the quick response of our allies in PIE, and in turn Ishukone-Raata was pleased to be of assistance in both operations against these pirate forces.
Now shall we stop with the battle of morality when really we know there is very.. very little on the opposing front.
"Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned."
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
4443
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Posted - 2015.01.23 07:09:28 -
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Nobody asked you to justify your diplomacy again, Revenent, I simply ask you to own it publicly. Since you declared hostilities it'd be nice if your mouthpiece stopped pretending to be surprised when you get shot at.
I must admit, though, to being surprised you've taken this tack. I doubted you really wanted to get into a situation where we're all judged by the people we've flown with, eh, monsieur?
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Aelisha
Achura-Waschi Exchange Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
453
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Posted - 2015.01.23 11:45:18 -
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Well well isn't this a big bag of tiresome. Dirty laundry says more about the person airing it than the person who wore it. Bear that in mind.
Good work PY-RE, PIE and I-RED on ridding the cluster of this abhorrent tower. Good work in dispensing a harsh but merciful end to the poor souls condemned simply by being in the possession of a madman, from which none of us could have taken them without breaching the structure. No one wishes death on innocents, but considering their fate, one may consider them euthanised - a tragic end, but one far more conducive to them resting in peace than the alternative.
Combat Pilot for the Pyre Falcon Defense Combine
Intaki Reborn
Independent Capsuleer
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1166
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Posted - 2015.01.23 12:31:49 -
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Aelisha wrote:Good work PY-RE, PIE and I-RED on ridding the cluster of this abhorrent tower. Good work in dispensing a harsh but merciful end to the poor souls condemned simply by being in the possession of a madman, from which none of us could have taken them without breaching the structure. No one wishes death on innocents, but considering their fate, one may consider them euthanised - a tragic end, but one far more conducive to them resting in peace than the alternative.
Do not associate us with your disgusting 'euthanization' moralizations. That is never a valid action to take, especially not when we hold the field. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1561
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Posted - 2015.01.23 12:43:03 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Makoto Priano wrote:Pardon; meant it in the greater, 'you all,' sense.
Still, I think we know perfectly well that Desiderya is bloodthirsty. You certainly knew she was bloodthirsty enough not to run away when you warped to us, so I have to lay the blame for your loss during the engagement firmly on your own Command Staff. Tuulinen-haan, you should be aware that Makoto Priano is a known liar and has lost her honor. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1166
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Posted - 2015.01.23 12:43:38 -
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Kim.
Stay out of matters that don't concern you. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1561
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Posted - 2015.01.23 12:53:23 -
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Angel T Hunter wrote:Nauplius wrote:Not only have those who destroyed this tower damned themselves to the lowest Hell, but they have also drenched their own hands in the blood of slaves.
During previous actions against my towers, PIE had brought along a Kamiera boarding party, supposedly to reduce casualties among the slaves that would otherwise occur had the tower's hangers simply been destroyed and whatever slaves that survived picked up among the wreckage. This time, however, it appeared to my scout that the fleet simply destroyed the hanger as soon as the shields fell. This action, I believe, would have killed about half of the slaves instantly; that is, the aggressing fleet just flat out killed about 25,000 slaves.
Pilots from PIE and SFRIM did eventually bring in transports to recover survivors from the now-destroyed hanger; however, I took advantage of a moment when some of the fleet was off-grid to destroy the wreckage before they could complete the work. Almost immediately after that, someone hotdropped the fleet and destroyed several ships GÇö surely this was a sign of Divine Judgement against those who would attack me and a holy and righteous God. So, too, was the intermittant fighting between I-RED and PY-RE GÇö truly God has sown seeds of discord among his enemies. Amen. Amarr Victor.
NO! The blood is on your hands! Ms. Hunter, this is a huge mistake and misconception. The blood is on hands of those, who does the killing.
For example, lets imagine gallenteans has captured Caldari prisoners and transferring them to execution in a hauler (well, they should be lucky, it is better to be executed than endure what they do with POWs in their prison camps anyway). If I will attack this federal convoy and destroy this hauler, deaths of Caldari prisoners would be on MY hands, because I delivered them death before gallenteans executed them.
But this killing of them wouldn't bother me for two reasons: 1) I would simply do my job for exterminating gallentean occupants. I wouldn't be targeting and killing prisoners for purpose, and they would be rather collateral damage. 2) Since they were captured, it implies they have surrendered to gallenteans and weren't honorable enough to commit suicide to prevent their capture alive.
Still my point that their blood will be on my hands, not on gallentean. Just like deaths of those, who were turned into wine - on Mr. Nauplius hands, and deaths of those, who were killed during destruction of tower - on hands of those, who were shooting at the tower.
I will repeat my previous point, I don't support this waste of resources by both building and destroying the tower. Including senseless loss of life caused both by Mr. Nauplius and destroyers of the tower. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1563
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Posted - 2015.01.23 12:57:19 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Kim.
Stay out of matters that don't concern you. I am not going to stop you from killing Mr. Nauplius slaves, Lieutenant. Obviously, I am not going to help you either. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1166
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Posted - 2015.01.23 12:59:26 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:Kim.
Stay out of matters that don't concern you. I am not going to stop you from killing Mr. Nauplius slaves, Lieutenant. Obviously, I am not going to help you either.
How ******* dare you make that accusation. |
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