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Kynric
Sky Fighters
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Posted - 2015.01.20 18:36:11 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Callic Veratar wrote:Could SKINs be stored as an attribute of an assembled ship, so, if I somehow acquire a rare or unique SKIN, I can apply it and sell the applied skin to others through contracts?
If I eject from a skinned ship does it immediately revert to the base colour?
What will happen to the skinned ships I have now? Is there a refund program planned? Could they? Will they, no. Yes, it immediately reverts. Still being looked at.
This limitation makes the feature unuseable for wormholers. Please consider making the paint persist until such time as an unlicensed pilot takes the helm. |
Vigilanta
S0utherN Comfort DARKNESS.
72
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Posted - 2015.01.20 18:43:42 -
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Can you make it so i can pay for different colored pos forcefields, id really like my pos shield to be purple, or stripper hotpink |
Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
425
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Posted - 2015.01.20 18:55:30 -
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Shut up and take my money!! |
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc Shadow Cartel
980
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Posted - 2015.01.20 19:03:11 -
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ihcn wrote:TrouserDeagle wrote:Quote:For now the licenses are permanent and cannot be removed from your character once applied. Even if your character loses their pod and dies or jump clones around they still have the license to use all their SKINs. terrible As someone who has flown skinned ships before, half the draw is the extra bling factor of bringing out a more expensive ship. If it isn't destructible, this all goes away.
exactly. it's not bling if every ship you ever see has quafe or whatever on it. |
Kaylin Drake
Profound Destiny
46
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Posted - 2015.01.20 19:03:11 -
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Love this idea. However when is PBR going to be fixed?.. please make ships look good the way they used to before december. :( |
Xercodo
Vector Galactic Did he say Jump
4100
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Posted - 2015.01.20 19:03:33 -
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I think that it wouldn't be very hard to add it a stat to the assembled ship that says which skin it has on it. Maybe my neurt Abby is a blood raider one, my art Abby is tashmurkon and my pulse laser brawler Abby is kador. It can even be applied to the fitting mechanism so that specific fits have a skin pre applied to it. If the character doesn't own a license for the skin then it fails as if they didn't have the module I their hanger for a normal fitting.
This way the skin could persist when not in the ship until someone unlicensed gets in it, in which case it deactivates like a module. Like if a newb steals a T2 fitted BS and all the guns go offline :P
Additionally you could pick to set a skin as a default for all newly assembled ships. And use a skin shop window that can be used to set a skin to mass numbers of ships, if for example you have 20 atrons you wanna reskin, but not the other 10 for suicide runs to another skin. This shop can be a mini-NES to let people buy licences directly and be the future window to be used for player-made skin designing.
It could still be used in space though to reskin the current ship, but when docked can reskin any of them.
And if we returned to client side rendered icons you could have a ship icon that reflects how the ship was skinned for quick indentification.
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Sven Viko VIkolander
Friends and Feminists
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Posted - 2015.01.20 19:05:27 -
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ihcn wrote:TrouserDeagle wrote:Quote:For now the licenses are permanent and cannot be removed from your character once applied. Even if your character loses their pod and dies or jump clones around they still have the license to use all their SKINs. terrible As someone who has flown skinned ships before, half the draw is the extra bling factor of bringing out a more expensive ship. If it isn't destructible, this all goes away.
Then fly special edition ships. Or fly more expensive ships. Or put more bling on your ships? It is not like you don't have options. Plus, most of the current custom skins are not that much more expensive then the base hulls currently, anyhow. |
Cara Forelli
Green Skull LLC
864
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Posted - 2015.01.20 19:06:02 -
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Kynric wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Callic Veratar wrote:Could SKINs be stored as an attribute of an assembled ship, so, if I somehow acquire a rare or unique SKIN, I can apply it and sell the applied skin to others through contracts?
If I eject from a skinned ship does it immediately revert to the base colour?
What will happen to the skinned ships I have now? Is there a refund program planned? Could they? Will they, no. Yes, it immediately reverts. Still being looked at. This limitation makes the feature unuseable for wormholers. Please consider making the paint persist until such time as an unlicensed pilot takes the helm. Was wondering about this. I think clarification is needed...from my understanding getting back in a ship will reapply the SKIN of your preference. Will that happen at an SMA or can SKINs only be selected in a station? WH dwellers everywhere want to know, I'm sure.
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CCP Terminus
C C P C C P Alliance
144
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Posted - 2015.01.20 19:07:07 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:From what I understand, once I set a skin, every ship I get in will have that skin. If I want to have different ships look different, I'll have to go to the fitting window every time I swap ships.
Could you have the client do that for me? Remember my preference for the skin on a ship by ship basis (or a ship-type by ship-type basis) so I do not have to go through a click-fest every time I change ships?
I think it could all be done client side. The client would just tell the server "set the default skin to xxx now" every time I swap ships.
The system will remember your preferences by ship type. So if you set a Megathron to be the Quafe Edition, every Megathron you get in to will automatically change. We most likely won't be doing this on an individual ship by ship basis though. |
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Bill Lane
Military Gamers The Methodical Alliance
80
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Posted - 2015.01.20 19:11:38 -
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Felo Maxun wrote:So we are not getting the custom ship paining system advertised at the last fanfest ?
So just looking for some clarification on not implementing the systems displayed at fanfest. This system required inputting a seperate model for each different paint scheme, or....? This system of nano-coating really still doesn't interest me at all...although I fully realize that it's the base for more work so I'm not trying to say you shouldn't have it. The skins system is just SO limiting. At the very least I would expect corp names to come soon, I'd love to put my corp name overlayed on any skin.
In short, point of this is why this system and not the system shown at fanfest (in a little detail more than we can't please). Thanks!
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Tyranis Marcus
Bloody Heathens
1375
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Posted - 2015.01.20 19:13:10 -
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That fitting panel needs a button to collapse the SKIN section, and the current setting for it needs to be remembered from session to session. PLEASE don't tack things onto our fitting panel without giving us a way to reduce the size again. Also, it could maybe benefit from some filters so we can choose to see only the skins that we already own, or only the skins we haven't purchased yet, etc.
One of the great things about Eve, compared to some other games, is that I don't have to see 'for sale' advertisements stuck in my face all over the place. (I'm thinking of the starfighter hangar in another game...) Anyway, don't change that aspect of Eve, please. Some of us really appreciate having a game that isn't cluttered with buttons to click to spend more RL money.
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Malik Sin
Science For Death
5
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Posted - 2015.01.20 19:13:25 -
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While the general implementation seems vastly improved over the current system and I like skip skins, I have one massive concern; the big buy button in the ship fitting panel. It might not seem like much to you, but I never want micro-transactions to intrude on my regular play. Especially in Eve Online, where it already has a full priced subscription model. I can't shake the concious thought that I'm being manipulated into a purchase. It's pressure I don't want to feel in a game, and I feel justified in expecting a clean experience with my subscription.
The mock up here would effectively place an advertisement in a task we all do regularly. I understand why you'd want to do this as a business, but do realise you're trading the quality of your product to do this. It wont be enough on it's own for (most, it'd be enough for me but I'm weird) people to stop playing of course, so you're not concerned, but the things do add up. It's the straw that broke the camels back, so to speak.
The current system is hidden in it's own menu, that you never have to see unless you want to. There is no in-game advertisement and this is exactly how I think it should stay.
TL;DR - Please remove the buy button from the fitting window.
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Vesan Terakol
Capsuleer Outfitters Bad Intention
114
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Posted - 2015.01.20 19:15:38 -
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So, how about license, that you obtain from LP stores? Are we going to see more of those now (like the police comet)? |
ihcn
Life. Universe. Everything. Clockwork Pineapple
240
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Posted - 2015.01.20 19:38:57 -
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Custom fittings being an extra bling thing is also more in line with the modern eve goal of everything being destroyable |
Tyranis Marcus
Bloody Heathens
1376
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Posted - 2015.01.20 19:39:42 -
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Damjan Fox
Fox Industries and Exploration
85
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Posted - 2015.01.20 19:53:59 -
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Overall, i really like the idea. It's a good way to implement skins without cluttering up the market tab with all those (skinned) ship duplicates. The only downside i see, is:
Quote:For now the licenses are permanent and cannot be removed from your character once applied.
That would be a really bad desicion, in my opinion. Please CCP, reconsider this point.
Furthermore, if i may add an idea for the conversion of existing ships/BPCs to the new license system with the example of the Quafe Megathron:
If a player owns a Quafe Mega BPC it will be converted to a Quafe Mega Skin License. If a player owns the actual Quafe Mega Ship, he will get a regular Mega and a Quafe Mega Skin License instead. |
Tyranis Marcus
Bloody Heathens
1376
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Posted - 2015.01.20 19:57:25 -
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Bill Lane wrote:Felo Maxun wrote:So we are not getting the custom ship paining system advertised at the last fanfest ? In short, point of this is why this system and not the system shown at fanfest (in a little detail more than we can't please). Thanks!
Money. Greed. Microtransactions. There is your answer. You can be sure it comes from all the way at the top, too.
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Brujo Loco
Brujeria Teologica
1428
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Posted - 2015.01.20 19:57:39 -
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I highly enjoy this notice regarding ship skins.
I wonder if perhaps we will FINALLY be able to paint our glorious Amarr Hulls in Equilibrium of Mankind colors?
One question, this will apply to Shuttles/Industrials/Transports/Freighters too? As a Hauler, I spend a lot of time in my Industrials all over the place, and so far all I have seen is love for combat ships, but none for the industry ones (and shuttles)
All in all a wondrous add to the game, more colors and a solid stepping stone for Alliance/Corp colors and perhaps "decals" too!
+1!!!
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
3866
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Posted - 2015.01.20 20:09:59 -
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Tyranis Marcus wrote:Bill Lane wrote:Felo Maxun wrote:So we are not getting the custom ship paining system advertised at the last fanfest ? In short, point of this is why this system and not the system shown at fanfest (in a little detail more than we can't please). Thanks! Money. Greed. Microtransactions. There is your answer. You can be sure it comes from all the way at the top, too.
No not at all. That system is not complete and once it is will probably be integrated somehow into this system. We want to offer you guys high quality amazing skins and experience. This was a choice by the team.
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CCP FoxFour
C C P C C P Alliance
3866
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Posted - 2015.01.20 20:11:05 -
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Brujo Loco wrote:I highly enjoy this notice regarding ship skins. I wonder if perhaps we will FINALLY be able to paint our glorious Amarr Hulls in Equilibrium of Mankind colors? One question, this will apply to Shuttles/Industrials/Transports/Freighters too? As a Hauler, I spend a lot of time in my Industrials all over the place, and so far all I have seen is love for combat ships, but none for the industry ones (and shuttles) All in all a wondrous add to the game, more colors and a solid stepping stone for Alliance/Corp colors and perhaps "decals" too! +1!!!
EoM and Khanid are my favorite. As for industrials, I hope so.
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l0rd carlos
TURN DOWN.
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Posted - 2015.01.20 20:24:13 -
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This is great and all, but when do we get top hats for our characters?
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Kelleth Kirk
Angels with Artillery
89
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Posted - 2015.01.20 20:29:26 -
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So... If I have a Gila, will I be able to use the Moa skin on it?
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I want his family DEAD!
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i am 2evil
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2015.01.20 20:34:46 -
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What about all the people who brought skins the old way via the new eden store will we get them refunded as most of them are limited skins that came from the limited eve box set which cost real life money to buy the box to get the code from
as i see a lot of players will not be happy having to folk out again for something they all have ready paid for update befores |
Bill Lane
Military Gamers The Methodical Alliance
81
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Posted - 2015.01.20 20:41:01 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Tyranis Marcus wrote:Bill Lane wrote:Felo Maxun wrote:So we are not getting the custom ship paining system advertised at the last fanfest ? In short, point of this is why this system and not the system shown at fanfest (in a little detail more than we can't please). Thanks! Money. Greed. Microtransactions. There is your answer. You can be sure it comes from all the way at the top, too. No not at all. That system is not complete and once it is will probably be integrated somehow into this system. We want to offer you guys high quality amazing skins and experience. This was a choice by the team.
Good to hear! Thanks for the reply
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Dangeresque Too
Pistols for Pandas
84
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Posted - 2015.01.20 20:49:17 -
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I still feel like the current system would have been better implemented as say an additional rig slot which housed the custom paint scheme.
And also pretty curious to see if these things will be unlicensed from a pilot, say if I'm tired of looking at my Quafe ship would I be able to remove the license from my character and sell it or would the license be perma applied to that specific character, never to be recovered?
Also, taking the ship skin discussion in line with character clothing and prosthetic, one would presume those would be more of a destroyable commodity than say a license to paint a ship with a certain color. Unless you are saying that when your character gets into the pod they strip down, remove all clothing and monocles and metal arms? Then they re-dress themselves when you dock (which might be why it takes eons when docking with CQ enabled?)? |
Kalen Blackstar
Starcade Group Elemental Tide
0
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Posted - 2015.01.20 20:50:24 -
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Phoenix Jones wrote:Altrue wrote:Here is my feedback: Its awesome and its everything I could dream of, coming from a skin system.
The deciding factor is the fact that they are not destroyed with the ship. I don't want to invest any real money into something destructible, but if its permanent then you have my wallet \o/
Now we're waiting on corporation-made skins and logos on ships! :D Pretty much this
Exactly! Looking forward to the release... whenever that is. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
3667
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Posted - 2015.01.20 20:51:37 -
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Altrue wrote:Here is my feedback: Its awesome and its everything I could dream of, coming from a skin system.
The deciding factor is the fact that they are not destroyed with the ship. I don't want to invest any real money into something destructible, but if its permanent then you have my wallet \o/
Now we're waiting on corporation-made skins and logos on ships! :D
Call me a purist, but I think that applying the skin to an individual ship should have a cost, so owing a skinned ship was more expensive than the unskinned version (even if that doesn't shows in KMs). This is EVE, y'know.
Anyway I am glad that someone teached Microtransactions 101 to CCP. Was about time, as the sheer incompetence of selling destructable cosmetic items for real money has been offending my intelligence since day 1.
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J A Aloysiusz
Precision Strike Brigade Easily Excited
97
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Posted - 2015.01.20 20:58:31 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:Makoto Priano wrote:The big question for me is this: how will existing skins be converted to the new system? Do I get a license for each ship I have a type of? Or will the old ones persist as they are, eventually dying out?
I worry that some methods of distribution -- like pirate BC and dessie skins -- will eventually result in oversupply of the market, given that skins will then be indestructible.
edit; also, how granular will these skin licenses be? Will they be per-ship, per-class, or general? We are still working on the plan for converting old skins to new skins. More on that later. Licenses will hopefully, still working out the details, have the option of being a mapped to N hulls. So we could have a license that gives the Quafe skin to all Gallente T1 hulls, and another that gives it just to the Megathron. Still working the details out for that though and is maybe something that wont come at launch.
I'm sitting on a swath of rattlesnake victory BPCs that belong collectively to my AT team, so the sooner the better on that info <3 |
Hayley Rose
Celestial Mining Association
0
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Posted - 2015.01.20 21:00:05 -
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Ship Skins sounds Like a great Idea!
It would also be neat to have player designed skins that a corporation or other group of players could grant them to fellow corporation members or friends. It would be nice to see a fleet all wearing the same skins representing just that group or corporation. |
i am 2evil
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2015.01.20 21:01:43 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Altrue wrote:Here is my feedback: Its awesome and its everything I could dream of, coming from a skin system.
The deciding factor is the fact that they are not destroyed with the ship. I don't want to invest any real money into something destructible, but if its permanent then you have my wallet \o/
Now we're waiting on corporation-made skins and logos on ships! :D Call me a purist, but I think that applying the skin to an individual ship should have a cost, so owing a skinned ship was more expensive than the unskinned version (even if that doesn't shows in KMs). This is EVE, y'know. Anyway I am glad that someone teached Microtransactions 101 to CCP. Was about time, as the sheer incompetence of selling destructable cosmetic items for real money has been offending my intelligence since day 1.
What about all the people who brought skins the old way via the new eden store will we get them refunded as most of them are limited skins that came from the EVE: The Second Decade Collector's Edition which cost real life money to buy the box to get the code from some also came from buying the HD package to watch the ccp live Twitch.tv feeds which ccp gave you bpc few items which also cost real life money to buy
as i see a lot of players will not be happy having to folk out again for something they all have ready paid for update befores
what about Rorqual ORE Development Edition Blueprint Megathron Quafe Edition Blueprint
they both cost real money to get as can not get them in the eden store so will we get refuneded after change
the EVE: The Second Decade Collector's Edition was not cheap to buy |
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