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Goe Rilla
Sisters of Xambu
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Posted - 2015.01.20 19:58:38 -
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Cap boosted dualrep Tristan
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Cap boosted dualrep railcursus.
And Tristan wins ?
Fail game balance, as always. |
Ashlar Vellum
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.20 20:44:06 -
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He orbits you at 500 or something, so yeah probably. Also dual rep cursuses need friends to be good imo. |
Goe Rilla
Sisters of Xambu
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Posted - 2015.01.20 20:49:12 -
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nope, he was on orbit at 7000, i ran out of boosters so eventually warped out,
what a fun fight ... |
Ashlar Vellum
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.20 21:04:07 -
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Even at 7000 your rail tracking is not that great, while his drones don't care about pretty much everything. So yeap, tristan victor. ;D |
Violet Crumble
EOL Logistics
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Posted - 2015.01.20 21:16:10 -
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So let me get this right.
You had a fight that ended in a stalemate and you warped out after running out of cap boosters and somehow that means the game is not balanced?
I am assuming you would only accept that the game is balanced if you had killed him?
Trying to make a conclusion about balance on the basis of 1 fight is pointless, but doesn't seem to be an issue here anyway. What were his skills, implants, boosters, links vs. yours? What is his pvp experience vs yours? How much time has he spent flying that Tristan fit vs you flying that incursus fit? etc. So many variables.
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Violet Crumble
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Posted - 2015.01.20 21:20:30 -
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Goe Rilla wrote:nope, he was on orbit at 7000, i ran out of boosters so eventually warped out, what a fun fight ... Why didn't you kill off his drones? Reduce his DPS to the point where he either had to try to disengage or come in closer?
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Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q Iron Oxide.
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Posted - 2015.01.20 21:28:44 -
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Goe Rilla wrote:Cap boosted dualrep Tristan
vs
Cap boosted dualrep railcursus.
And Tristan wins ?
Fail game balance, as always. Worst thread of the week.
What guns did you use? And what drones? How were you fit, how was he fit? How old and experienced was he? And don't complain about game balance when you lose one fight. That just makes you look like an idiot.
A Tristan can easily beat an Incursus, and an Incursus can easily beat a Tristan. Neut Tristan murders blaster Incursus. Rail Incursus murders neut Tristan. Rail Tristan kills blaster Incursus. Blaster Incursus kills blaster Tristan. All very possible fits and outcomes.
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Goe Rilla
Sisters of Xambu
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Posted - 2015.01.20 21:34:12 -
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Violet Crumble wrote:Goe Rilla wrote:nope, he was on orbit at 7000, i ran out of boosters so eventually warped out, what a fun fight ... Why didn't you kill off his drones? Reduce his DPS to the point where he either had to try to disengage or come in closer?
Kill his drones in a booster-125mmrail-incursus without a web ? Because you know, cap booster requiring a med slot ... or should I use blasters instead you think ? Then any fight using rails against a tristan in that case a losing battle, then if the guy is fit with neuts, blasters wont be of much help either, even with cap booster.
Yea, it became a stalemate but in his perspective it was a clear win. |
Goe Rilla
Sisters of Xambu
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Posted - 2015.01.20 21:44:01 -
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Zen Guerrilla wrote:Goe Rilla wrote:Cap boosted dualrep Tristan
vs
Cap boosted dualrep railcursus.
And Tristan wins ?
Fail game balance, as always. Worst thread of the week. What guns did you use? And what drones? How were you fit, how was he fit? How old and experienced was he? And don't complain about game balance when you lose one fight. That just makes you look like an idiot. A Tristan can easily beat an Incursus, and an Incursus can easily beat a Tristan. Neut Tristan murders blaster Incursus. Rail Incursus murders neut Tristan. Rail Tristan kills blaster Incursus. Blaster Incursus kills blaster Tristan. All very possible fits and outcomes.
You conveniently forgot the case I was getting at in this thread:
Rail incursus .......... Rail Tristan. (fill in the gap)
Fyi, i was using
125mm, scram, cap boost, 2x rep, and the usual rest ... (pm me if you want the full fit)
I am maxed in all gunnery skills.
I assume he was also, as well as repping, the guy was as old a char as I.
The only way to win at a fight like this is to simply have more cap boosters than him, and to me, that goes to show something is messed up somewhere. |
Violet Crumble
EOL Logistics
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Posted - 2015.01.20 21:48:07 -
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Goe Rilla wrote:Violet Crumble wrote:Goe Rilla wrote:nope, he was on orbit at 7000, i ran out of boosters so eventually warped out, what a fun fight ... Why didn't you kill off his drones? Reduce his DPS to the point where he either had to try to disengage or come in closer? Kill his drones in a booster-125mmrail-incursus without a web ? Because you know, cap booster requiring a med slot ... or should I use blasters instead you think ? Then any fight using rails against a tristan in that case a losing battle, then if the guy is fit with neuts, blasters wont be of much help either, even with cap booster. Yea, it became a stalemate but in his perspective it was a clear win. Who gives a crap what his perspective was. You seem to have fallen for it too and see him as the winner and you as the loser.
Your attitude is certainly a loser attitude. I'll give you that.
As to blaster v rail, in solo pvp I almost always go for rails (not this character), but that's just a preference. I prefer the extra damage projection, but I don't fly an incursus often either. I prefer a comet or Tristan to the incursus (but not because of balance).
Yeah without a web, killing his drones would be tough. Can't have it all, but not being able to dominate a specific situation doesn't make the game unbalanced.
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Goe Rilla
Sisters of Xambu
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Posted - 2015.01.20 21:52:38 -
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Violet Crumble wrote:[but I don't fly an incursus often either. I prefer a comet or Tristan to the incursus (but not because of balance).
Well there you go,
So before talking, try flying what i fly more often, and against what you conveniently fly for yourself all the time because then you would have a slight idea of what im talking about.
Quote:Yeah without a web, killing his drones would be tough. Can't have it all, but not being able to dominate a specific situation doesn't make the game unbalanced.
But you see the problem is all I see is Tristan, if you fly solo, it's Tristan 90% of the time.
Cant have it all then look whos talking. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2015.01.20 21:55:48 -
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Goe Rilla wrote:Well there you go,
So before talking, try flying what i fly more often, and against what you conveniently fly for yourself all the time because then you would have a slight idea of what im talking about. I (this is my pvp character) didn't say I haven't flown an incursus. I used to to a dual rep fit quite often. It's just not my preference now. When I did fly it, I flew it blaster fit, but prefer Rails on a Comet these days and no high slot modules on a Tristan, or a neuting Tristan.
Plenty of experience in an Incursus, just not a preference I have anymore.
So I'm quite happy to stand by what I wrote. Two ships not killing each other doesn't mean the game is unbalanced. 1 fight being used to determine that the game is unbalanced is pointless.
If Goe Rilla is the character you used in that fight, then maybe go and get more pvp experience before coming to whinge and moan in the forum. If not, then disregard this last sentence.
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Ashlar Vellum
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
134
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Posted - 2015.01.20 22:01:16 -
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Goe Rilla wrote: You conveniently forgot the case I was getting at in this thread:
Rail incursus .......... Rail Tristan (with hobs). (fill in the gap)
Fyi, i was using
125mm, scram, cap boost, 2x rep, and the usual rest ... (pm me if you want the full fit)
I am maxed in all gunnery skills.
I assume he was also, as well as repping, the guy was as old a char as I.
The only way to win at a fight like this is to simply have more cap boosters than him, and to me, that goes to show something is messed up somewhere.
Maybe the game or maybe me.
Im open to suggestions.
Or a different fit. Dual rep incursus is like a player made punisher, so what did you expect? |
ValentinaDLM
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
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Posted - 2015.01.20 22:02:50 -
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Lol, this thread fails so hard. The other day I killed a blaster Comet in my rocket Breacher, does that mean that the comet isn't as good? Not by a long shot, the Comet is a much better ship (as it should be since it is a faction ship). One fight you had one time isn't really saying anything about game balance. |
Goe Rilla
Sisters of Xambu
14
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Posted - 2015.01.20 22:04:33 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Just not a preference I have anymore.
Well simply not many or any people's preference anymore for solo.
It used to be though, not entirely but certainly not the onesidedness of solo or even entire fleets of Tristans in space seen everywhere these days.
Care to expand on how that could be ? |
Goe Rilla
Sisters of Xambu
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Posted - 2015.01.20 22:07:37 -
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Ashlar Vellum wrote:Goe Rilla wrote: You conveniently forgot the case I was getting at in this thread:
Rail incursus .......... Rail Tristan (with hobs). (fill in the gap)
Fyi, i was using
125mm, scram, cap boost, 2x rep, and the usual rest ... (pm me if you want the full fit)
I am maxed in all gunnery skills.
I assume he was also, as well as repping, the guy was as old a char as I.
The only way to win at a fight like this is to simply have more cap boosters than him, and to me, that goes to show something is messed up somewhere.
Maybe the game or maybe me.
Im open to suggestions.
Or a different fit. Dual rep incursus is like a player made punisher, so what did you expect?
What would you suggest that would tank as well as that tristan mentioned above then ? Small Ancillary rep with limited nanites ?
Im telling you, our repping was on the same level in that fight, he was dual rep also.
With a single rep on my incursus he would out-time me in cap boosters.
So conclusion is, Railcursus against RailTristan is simply down to cap booster charges.
Which is simply, Fail. |
Doctor Knuckles
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
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Posted - 2015.01.20 22:09:12 -
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Oh for the love of god stop flying dual rep incursus solo
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Goe Rilla
Sisters of Xambu
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Posted - 2015.01.20 22:10:56 -
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Doctor Knuckles wrote:Oh for the love of god stop flying dual rep incursus solo
Then
Suggest something else in Incursus against dual rep Tristan ... |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2015.01.20 22:21:50 -
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Goe Rilla wrote:Well simply not many or any people's preference anymore for solo. Rubbish.
Go to zkill and search for 'incursus'. Then click on kills and search down a few pages. Plenty of solo kills there.
There is a lot of data available to check these sorts of assumptions.
Quote:It used to be though, not entirely but certainly not the onesidedness of solo or even entire fleets of Tristans in space seen everywhere these days.
Care to expand on how that could be ? Lot's a ships go through phases of popularity. Tristans are fairly flexible in terms of fitting - rails, blasters, neuts, pure drone boat. They can be nano fit for kiting and armor brawl fit.
So yeah, they are popular at the moment, but people get sick of flying the same thing over and over. Fads pass and another ship will take over popularity at some point.
Again. Nothing to do with game balance.
In this whole thread you haven't mounted a single good argument to explain why the game is not balanced because a Tristan and Incursus had a fight and couldn't kill each other.
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Sean Parisi
Fugutive Task Force A T O N E M E N T
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Posted - 2015.01.20 22:28:20 -
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Neuting Tristan wins. |
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Doctor Knuckles
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
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Posted - 2015.01.20 22:29:52 -
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Goe Rilla wrote:Doctor Knuckles wrote:Oh for the love of god stop flying dual rep incursus solo
Then Suggest something else in Incursus against dual rep Tristan ...
Anything with a neut.
Anything with the ability to kill off his drones whileshrugging off his not astonishing dps.
Anything with the dps to break thruh his sub optimal dual rep tank (really a bad idea on a tristan)
But mostly, just disengage and leave the dual rep guy to play with his **** and come to fhe forum to complain his **** fit has the range control of a donkey ran over by a freighter truck
Pretty much anything but flying a dual rep RAIL incursus, which i'm hard pressed to describe as anything other than the absolute apotheosis of the shitfit |
Goe Rilla
Sisters of Xambu
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Posted - 2015.01.20 22:35:54 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote: Tristans are fairly flexible in terms of fitting - rails, blasters, neuts, pure drone boat. They can be nano fit for kiting and armor brawl fit.
Indeed, they do seem to have it all dont they...
Now, I wonder why everyone flies them all the time, and not over just a flavour of the month thing, I do mean ALL the time, for last 3 years or more.
I can at least garantee that if CCP gave Incursus a mere +2 drones to its arsenal, all the Tristan bitches would come swarming the forums with a 100x more potent ability to moan than i ever could. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
31484
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Posted - 2015.01.20 22:42:47 -
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Goe Rilla wrote:Indeed, they do seem to have it all dont they... No more than any other ship. No.
Quote:I can at least garantee that if CCP gave Incursus a mere +2 drones to its arsenal, all the Tristan bitches would come swarming the forums with a 100x more potent ability to moan than i ever could. I doubt it. 100x more potent moaning ability than you are showing doesn't exist.
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Goe Rilla
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Posted - 2015.01.20 22:54:48 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Goe Rilla wrote:Indeed, they do seem to have it all dont they... No more than any other ship. No.
More than incursus. |
Interfectorem Tacet
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2015.01.20 23:02:01 -
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A properly flown Mancursus (Rails, AB/Web/Scram, SAAR, Magnetic field stab, DCUII) will murder a neut tristan easily.
Web his drones and kill a couple. you can then tank the rest easy while smacking him about the head with rails.
Don't fly dual rep incursus solo EVER. Unless you can get a really good warp in on a carebear that is. |
SmokinJs Arthie
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
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Posted - 2015.01.20 23:09:33 -
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Goe Rilla wrote:I can at least garantee that if CCP gave Incursus a mere +2 drones to its arsenal
Then it would be a Comet.
Goe Rilla wrote:Im telling you, our repping was on the same level in that fight, he was dual rep also.
Maybe the other pilot is using drugs and/or boosts? Maybe you should to?
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Thanatos Marathon
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
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Posted - 2015.01.21 01:39:58 -
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Goe Rilla wrote:crying because I did it wrong.
whatever duder. |
Arla Sarain
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Posted - 2015.01.21 01:47:52 -
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Zen Guerrilla wrote:Goe Rilla wrote:Cap boosted dualrep Tristan
vs
Cap boosted dualrep railcursus.
And Tristan wins ?
Fail game balance, as always. Worst thread of the week. What guns did you use? And what drones? How were you fit, how was he fit? How old and experienced was he? And don't complain about game balance when you lose one fight. That just makes you look like an idiot. A Tristan can easily beat an Incursus, and an Incursus can easily beat a Tristan. Neut Tristan murders blaster Incursus. Rail Incursus murders neut Tristan. Rail Tristan kills blaster Incursus. Blaster Incursus kills blaster Tristan. All very possible fits and outcomes. And at the end of the day you lose or win before the fight starts.
Tristans are like kestrels but with neuts. Consistent damage application up to whatever drone control range is. |
Catalytic morphisis
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.21 13:22:21 -
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Goe Rilla wrote:
The only way to win at a fight like this is to simply have more cap boosters than him, and to me, that goes to show something is messed up somewhere.
Im open to suggestions.
You do realise that this shows the exact opposite of imbalance right, If you couldn't kill him without depleting his cap boosters, and He couldn't kill you before that point either, Then it was a balanced and fair fight, Granted a lengthy one, However this completely contradicts what you say about "imbalance"
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Ares Desideratus
Star Children Of Cain
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Posted - 2015.01.21 15:08:19 -
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The rail-gun Incursus is a great frigate dueling ship but it needs a web to work, you need to control range to the best of your ability if you're going with a rail-gun fit, twin reps with rail-guns is a horrible idea because you can't rely on your range without a web and the tracking on rail-guns is terrible so that's another reason why you need a web for it to work.
In my experience, I fly almost exclusively Executioners, and while they are typically less good at fighting on paper, there are many tricks you can learn in order to become better than other frigates.
First you need to actually study the strengths and weaknesses of your frigate and learn it inside and out and work from there.
Second, one major thing I've learned is that if I'm going up against a Tristan, your first main priority should always be to kill his drones. Killing his drones before you kill him just gives you a much higher chance of winning the fight. This probably isn't true, depending on what frigate you're flying, but in the Executioner it is basically required, because Tristans seem to just be inherently better at brawling than the Executioner, and the drones can hit you anywhere during the fight.
Even with a web your rail-gun Incursus has to be extremely careful over ranges. A fast, skilled pilot in a ship like the Executioner can get up close to you and you won't be able to hit him, even with the web. If you're using rail-guns a web should be mandatory.
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