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Cista2
Phoibe Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.01.21 09:56:13 -
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CCP FoxFour wrote:We are still compiling a list of what ships will be converted over to the new system and what will be left as unique ships. We will let you know more once we have had time to finish thinking about it.
This was aired in the discussion of the new ship painting method. I guess some limited edition ships are in for a price collapse soon (TM). Or how do MD'ers interpret this? |
Cheese Crackers
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.21 10:39:14 -
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Cista2 wrote: But tbh, I guess her answer was meant only for ships that are currently in the NES shop. The other thing does not make sense - she must have misunderstood the question.
your post i cannot really make sense of either.
they simply mean that certain ships will have the ability to be painted whilst the others will not and if you watched the o7 video they showed an example of the megathron which if i can remember correctly had the choice of all current skins for it plus others. as for the gnosis and co. I would put my isk on nothing happening to them as what they intend on doing will have little to no effect on them. It's in my opinion that the only ships that will be available to be painted will be the t1 racial hulls and their adaptations as we see now. for your third part, I myself have never been a fan of micro transactions so I never touched it so im not sure if your talking actual ships or skins, if its skins then refer to above.
just my 2 iskies. |
Cista2
Phoibe Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.01.21 11:03:11 -
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Sorry that my post is confusing.
I agree about the Gnosis etc. because those do not exist in color variations. The odd thing was that her response was a dircet answer to mention of those ships.
What I am talking about are ships like Bestower TM edition and Tayra Wyyrkomi edition and tons of others, those are color variations that I believe were once available in the Aurum/NES shop but long since removed (or they were given out in other ways).
When she says they are considering which ships should be "left as uniques", her statement is up to wide interpretation. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate
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Posted - 2015.01.21 14:12:55 -
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Unique ships and SKINs are two diffrent tings the first ones have diffrent stats(or should) and ships with SKINs have standard stats.
Akrasjel Lanate
General Director(CEO) of Naquatech Conglomerate
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Cista2
Phoibe Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.01.21 14:26:05 -
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Akrasjel Lanate wrote:Unique ships and SKINs are two diffrent tings the first ones have diffrent stats(or should) and ships with SKINs have standard stats. But that's not what CCP FoxFour says. She says they are deliberating which ships that will remain unique and which won't... I don't understand her statement and was hoping she would clarify, but she did not.
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Catalytic morphisis
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.21 14:53:39 -
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I doubt they're looking at taking for issue a Raven state issue and making it openly available to all, I imagine that you misinterpreted what was said, Sounds like they mean some ships will remain unique (such as TA Prizes or Ultra rare 1 of a kind ships) where others, Such as ships that everyone was issued when certain expansions came out. this seems to be what they're hinting at
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Cista2
Phoibe Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.01.21 15:10:53 -
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Catalytic morphisis wrote:I doubt they're looking at taking for issue a Raven state issue and making it openly available to all, I imagine that you misinterpreted what was said, Sounds like they mean some ships will remain unique (such as AT Prizes or Ultra rare 1 of a kind ships) where others, Such as ships that everyone was issued when certain expansions came out. this seems to be what they're hinting at I agree for sure..
But this is the market discussion (and speculation) forum. All ships have value, and value can change.
In fact I don't think they will reissue ships like Primae or Gnosis, this is not what this is about, it is about colour variations. My speculation goes towards those types of ships I mentioned, which were peviously available in the Aurum shop, but not anymore.
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Catalytic morphisis
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.21 15:34:04 -
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Well, they'll still be "Unique" as the name will be For instance Perkone issue, However the new skins would be applicable to any ship, so a regular megathron could have a different skin, However its not the actual issue version, I doubt it'd drastically effect the prices to be honest
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Trin Javidan
Caymen Labs
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Posted - 2015.01.21 15:52:39 -
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Rumors sais that the Tournament ships are goign to be issued in the NEX store in limited quatities. |
Catalytic morphisis
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.21 15:55:30 -
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Trin Javidan wrote:Rumors sais that the Tournament ships are goign to be issued in the NEX store in limited quatities. Thats a bad idea I believe. Its a ship type people worked for, I mean to win them ships takes Weeks upon weeks of testing setups, Tactics, Counters and reams of other things, I really don't like the idea of them allowing people to just trade in for them in the NEX store.
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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
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Posted - 2015.01.21 16:05:24 -
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Foxfour's a guy, btw.
And that rumor? that's all it is. Baseless rumor. You'd better believe the CSM would be screaming its head off.
The 'unique' ships which are relevant for the Skinning, are the ships which have had a skin applied, or one of the ones which is just the regular ship, but with a different colour scheme.
The moment the stats are different, it'll remain a separate ship.
clear enough?
Woo! CSM 9!
Fuzzwork Enterprises
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Trin Javidan
Caymen Labs
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Posted - 2015.01.21 17:04:12 -
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Catalytic morphisis wrote:Trin Javidan wrote:Rumors sais that the Tournament ships are goign to be issued in the NEX store in limited quatities. Thats a bad idea I believe. Its a ship type people worked for, I mean to win them ships takes Weeks upon weeks of testing setups, Tactics, Counters and reams of other things, I really don't like the idea of them allowing people to just trade in for them in the NEX store.
The Eula sais otherwise. No doubt there is a question in the popularity of the ships. Their prizes show's that there is a larger demand than supply.
Why CCP simply doesnt create another source of income to allow these ships to be more common and turn to spacedust, i frankly dont know. I would plex in $1000 for sure to get my hands on a particulary tourney edition ship!
Besides that, it is a nice price. A very populair one. But EVE has changed. The honour is greatly, a reward is on its place, but to hand out 5 Trillion for first place (to 10 people) is beyond my believe (25 Cruisers 25 frigs *avarage sell price 100b)!!
@XII = 100b a schip First Place: 25/25 = 5 Tril 2nd place: 15/15 = 3 Tril 3rd place: 7/7 = 1,4 Tril 4th place: 3/3= 600B
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DmitryEKT
AMMO INC
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Posted - 2015.01.21 17:15:13 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Foxfour's a guy, btw.
And that rumor? that's all it is. Baseless rumor. You'd better believe the CSM would be screaming its head off.
The 'unique' ships which are relevant for the Skinning, are the ships which have had a skin applied, or one of the ones which is just the regular ship, but with a different colour scheme.
The moment the stats are different, it'll remain a separate ship.
clear enough?
What about stuff like the Rattlesnake Victory Edition? these were AT12 prizes and not available anywhere else. They even have AT12 markings on the hull. but, they are only a skin, identical stats to normal rattlesnake.
Are these going to remain as unique ships? They are one-off tournament prizes after all. |
ISD Decoy
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2015.01.21 17:17:44 -
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Quote:32. Rumor mongering is prohibited.
Rumor threads and posts which are based off no actual solid information and are designed to either troll or annoy other users will be locked and removed. These kinds of threads and posts are detrimental to the wellbeing and spirit of the EVE Online Community, and can create undue panic among forum users, as well as adding to the workload of our moderators. I have removed and edited a couple posts.
ISD Decoy
Lieutenant Commander
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Interstellar Services Department
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Cista2
Phoibe Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.01.21 21:27:42 -
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ISD Decoy wrote:Rumor mongering is prohibited. A really great way to prevent rumours arising would be not to have a CCP person first state "some unique ships will no longer be unique", and then refuse to clarify which types of ships are under the "unique ships" definition in this regard. |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
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Posted - 2015.01.21 21:44:27 -
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DmitryEKT wrote:What about stuff like the Rattlesnake Victory Edition? these were AT12 prizes and not available anywhere else. They even have AT12 markings on the hull. but, they are only a skin, identical stats to normal rattlesnake.
Are these going to remain as unique ships? They are one-off tournament prizes after all.
That's an interesting case. I'm not sure. It's something which will, almost certainly, be discussed in further depth. (So you have an idea of what the summits are like, all the meetings run for the full time allocated. It's never enough time, even with 4 days)
However, even if they're converted into skins, they wouldn't be skins which people can then buy from the NES.
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Alexi Stokov
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.01.21 22:03:31 -
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Do people really get off on new skins? Ok it's a new look but I could really careless. This brings me back to the LOTRO days where people would love to talk about dying their cloak to green from yellow or a new feather hat. Whoop de do. Now if they were going to add something like the cambions then I'd get interested.... Unless I just dropped 80 billion on one /spacerage |
herb aderp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.22 10:39:00 -
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Im 90% sure this is going to happen
People with current unique skin ships such as the 'quafe edition' megathron ..... will log in one day after the patch ... and see a normal megathron where their quafe edition megathron was once docked. What they will find instead is that they wont have to purchase the Quafe edition skin as it will already be active on their account.
Tbh this change is a no brainer, CCP would be stupid to keep the current ships as separate just so that the whiny Speculators dont lose any isk. Speculators need to realize that this is the price you pay when you play the speculation game ... if you cant deal with change then GTFO already. |
Cista2
Phoibe Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.01.22 15:25:32 -
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herb aderp wrote:... if you cant deal with change then GTFO already. What you see here is us dealing with it.
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Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
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Posted - 2015.01.23 09:41:09 -
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I consider myself a clever MD'r
how do i interpret this?
herbal burp aderp nailed it, and you are mad.
Great change if it has already created this butthurt thread on rumor.
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/66830/1/SKINS.png
but hey, its not as if you were ever going to undock ine was it?
so nothings changed.
deal with it. |
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Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
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Posted - 2015.01.23 10:00:06 -
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DmitryEKT wrote: What about stuff like the Rattlesnake Victory Edition? these were AT12 prizes and not available anywhere else. They even have AT12 markings on the hull. but, they are only a skin, identical stats to normal rattlesnake.
Are these going to remain as unique ships? They are one-off tournament prizes after all.
why would they remain its the same ship as a rattler. you would get the skin licence. so its still unique, just worthless
nerds who stocked skin related items from NES store / the like, being butthurt they have 30 of each skinned ship (which they can't even fly) & are mad they will be getting shafted by having all those ships turn into a "single skin license"
hence why OP made this thread, he obvs has alot of these & is mad that prices will either tumble as ppl who are as dumb as him and speculated on these dump dump dump.
TL:DR is if you have a ship skin/s sell now while suckers are still buying.
Ship skin - Vexor Quafe edition. unique ship - Guardian vexor.
ronuken for CSM. make this happen.ill pledge 20b votes to your next campaign. |
Cista2
Phoibe Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.01.23 11:35:10 -
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Jerry T Pepridge wrote:butthurt You do seem butthurt that there are players who have money to invest, be it in PLEX, ships, or bonds :) This is the market discussion forum and we can discuss future price development of all things that are worth investing in.
We are trying to figure out which types of ships will be affected by this, that is all. It is not as if the ships will suddenly become worthless if transformed to licenses. Can you explain to me how a Guardian Vexor license would be worthless? If there are 20 GV licenses in the game and you don't have one, how would you get one of those worthless licences? Duh.
The only expected effect would be on cheaper ships that one person might use more than one of because they blow up. Now he would not need to buy a new one.
However, if some ship types are to be *re-released* as skins in higher numbers than the number of ships currently existing, that is something else indeed, and worth trying to anticipate. But if individual ships are simply turned into licences, the effect should be minimal. |
HeXxploiT
Little Red X
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Posted - 2015.01.23 17:57:27 -
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herb aderp wrote:Im 90% sure this is going to happen
People with current unique skin ships such as the 'quafe edition' megathron ..... will log in one day after the patch ... and see a normal megathron where their quafe edition megathron was once docked. What they will find instead is that they wont have to purchase the Quafe edition skin as it will already be active on their account.
Tbh this change is a no brainer, CCP would be stupid to keep the current ships as separate just so that the whiny Speculators dont lose any isk. Speculators need to realize that this is the price you pay when you play the speculation game ... if you cant deal with change then GTFO already.
Glad you're so certain of your own speculation. Historically CCP has done a good job of maintaining value of items bought with real world cash. Reason being is that If they pulled the carpet from underneath the feet of these players they would lose that real world profit in the future as consumers will not make purchases if the value of the goods are unacceptably unpredictable.. It has a lot more to do with CCP's bottom line and being solvent as a real world company then it does player speculation in a fantasy world. |
Cista2
Phoibe Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.01.23 19:23:32 -
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A Megathron Quafe costs 1.5 bn isk.
Having each existing Megathron Quafe turn into a licence will in fact have more people want to buy them, which (independently) would make the price rise. And since the number of people that currently burn through a number of Megathron Quafe each year is probably very small, the down pressure on the price from them now having a licence should be small. Combine these two factors and I will hypothesise that the price would remain quite stable.
Again, the crucial point is, are there any ship types that CCP will *re-release* as licences in larger numbers than they currently exist in the game? That and only that is what would collapse prices for the more expensive ships. |
Marsan
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Posted - 2015.01.23 19:44:37 -
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The OP is taking a comment out context. What is going to happen is the ships with only cosmetic changes will be converted to a ship and a skin. Ships like the gnosis won't go away as there is no base model to skin. The unique ships that have better attributes will stay as they are. Do I know for 100%. No, but CCP is not entirely stupid when it comes to these things. They've been pretty good about it in the past.
Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a grumpy small portion of the community.
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Cista2
Phoibe Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.01.23 19:54:31 -
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Marsan wrote:The OP is taking a comment out context. What is going to happen is the ships with only cosmetic changes will be converted to a ship and a skin. Ships like the gnosis won't go away as there is no base model to skin. The unique ships that have better attributes will stay as they are. Do I know for 100%. No, but CCP is not entirely stupid when it comes to these things. They've been pretty good about it in the past. Yea I do agree that I maybe read too much into that comment. |
Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
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Posted - 2015.01.24 08:21:10 -
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Cista2 wrote: But.... I am just speculating :)
a guardian vexor is a different ship to a vexor, dif attributes etc, a quafe edition vexor is a skin, of a .... vexor.
undock much?
my post questions why a moron would make such a thread (this is your thread), only someone heavily invested in these things would make such a thread.
a skin, is an option, as in, not bought or sold on the player market, only the NEX store. you are butthurt at the possibilty of these ships, something tangible (now), turning into a skin option, something that can't be sold.
it's worthless coz it can't be sold.
a guardian vexor has a dif slot layout and bonuses, so its unique. you don;t see the megathron federate issue on the picture do you?
if you still need reading lessons speak up, it's all p clear on the blog post & ronukens post. |
Marsan
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Posted - 2015.01.26 22:12:05 -
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Stupid Forum issues.
Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a grumpy small portion of the community.
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Marsan
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Posted - 2015.01.26 22:15:33 -
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It's entirely clear you cansell licenses. The devblog states:
"With the new SKIN system you will buy a license to use a specific design or pattern for a ship. You then apply that license to your character and then your character will be licensed to use that design whenever you wish. For now the licenses are permanent and cannot be removed from your character once applied. Even if your character loses their pod and dies or jump clones around they still have the license to use all their SKINs. The licenses themselves can still be traded on the market, contracts, and all other ways before being applied to your character."
So what is likely to happen is your ship with a special paint will turn into a ship and a license. You can then sell the license if you want or apply it.
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Jan VanRijkdom
House VanRijkdom Trading Conglomerate
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Posted - 2015.01.26 23:58:23 -
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Jerry T Pepridge wrote:Cista2 wrote: But.... I am just speculating :)
a guardian vexor is a different ship to a vexor, dif attributes etc, a quafe edition vexor is a skin, of a .... vexor. undock much? my post questions why a moron would make such a thread (this is your thread), only someone heavily invested in these things would make such a thread. a skin, is an option, as in, not bought or sold on the player market, only the NEX store. you are butthurt at the possibilty of these ships, something tangible (now), turning into a skin option, something that can't be sold. it's worthless coz it can't be sold. a guardian vexor has a dif slot layout and bonuses, so its unique. you don;t see the megathron federate issue on the picture do you? if you still need reading lessons speak up, it's all p clear on the blog post & ronukens post.
I can't see any good reason for your petty hostile reaction. Needing attention or something?
Yes, incomprehensibly it would seem to to your chagrin some players have lots of isk invested in ships under the current system, as a collectible or means of holding isk as an asset.
OP is simply asking a reasonable question. Nothing too hard to understand, and certainly something that makes you look childish for getting your panties twisted about. Doesn't make any sense.
Unfortunately I do think the NES store current skins ships will be converted to license, so holding more than 1 may not yield further benefits other than having another copy of base ships.
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