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Spud Lazair
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.22 11:45:32 -
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Why are we not allowed to have a clone in a wormhole? is it that different from any other sector of eve where we can have a clone. If someone be it a lone pilot or a corp build a Pos why can they not also have a medical facility to have a clone based in the wh.
"Accept that some days you are the pigeon and some days you are the statue"
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Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
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Posted - 2015.01.22 11:55:19 -
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No. |
HoruSeth
Republic University Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2015.01.22 11:57:37 -
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Because! |
Aladar Dangerface
Absolutely Certain
109
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Posted - 2015.01.22 12:19:07 -
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To elaborate a little more; because ccp doesn't like us.
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HoruSeth
Republic University Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2015.01.22 12:25:33 -
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No, because it's not helpful. I wouldn't like it! It would be terrible because it would make life in wormholes easier. If I wanted it easy I would live in 0.0!
And yes, CCP doesn't like wormholers. Agree with you on that point! |
Icarus Able
Revenant Tactical
528
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Posted - 2015.01.22 13:49:13 -
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Its generally considering jumping into wormhole space = bad
But being able to change clones in a wormhole is a feature long asked for and iirc CCP said they would look into it after the POS restructure. |
Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
1028
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Posted - 2015.01.22 13:49:25 -
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People have asked for a way to swap clones in a pos (changing into different implant sets).
But medical cloning would wreck wormhole space.
Yaay!!!!
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Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
364
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Posted - 2015.01.22 14:15:11 -
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Jump cloning into w-space would be really handy, and it could also help repopulate wormholes as people could more often jump to run sites, and then jump back to K-space to pvp when the wallet is happy again. Without the tedious and boring busywork of traveling via random connections.
No medical clones ofc.
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Aladar Dangerface
Absolutely Certain
109
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Posted - 2015.01.22 14:41:37 -
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Aladar Dangerface wrote:To elaborate a little more; because ccp doesn't like us. Just for clarity, i dont think we should be jumping between k-space and wh space, that seems broken and not what wh space is about, but being able to switch implant sets should be made available to us.
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Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
211
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Posted - 2015.01.22 14:42:09 -
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Jump clones would break wormholes even harder than medical clones. So, again: No. |
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MooMooDachshundCow
Incertae Sedis
164
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Posted - 2015.01.22 14:55:31 -
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Aiyshimin wrote:Jump cloning into w-space would be really handy, and it could also help repopulate wormholes as people could more often jump to run sites, and then jump back to K-space to pvp when the wallet is happy again. Without the tedious and boring busywork of traveling via random connections.
No medical clones ofc.
Was that an argument FOR or AGAINST? B/c there are already plenty of K-space farming groups that hardly make any content for the rest of us. I don't think bringing in more of them would be good for anything other than their wallets.
There are already plenty of null groups with farming alts in WH space. Don't encourage them.
That said, switching clones in POS is good. CCPlease
Yeah, well, it's just like my-áopinion, man.
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epicurus ataraxia
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc. Illusion of Solitude
1481
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Posted - 2015.01.22 15:13:23 -
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MooMooDachshundCow wrote:Aiyshimin wrote:Jump cloning into w-space would be really handy, and it could also help repopulate wormholes as people could more often jump to run sites, and then jump back to K-space to pvp when the wallet is happy again. Without the tedious and boring busywork of traveling via random connections.
No medical clones ofc.
Was that an argument FOR or AGAINST? B/c there are already plenty of K-space farming groups that hardly make any content for the rest of us. I don't think bringing in more of them would be good for anything other than their wallets. There are already plenty of null groups with farming alts in WH space. Don't encourage them. That said, switching clones in POS is good. CCPlease
As an alternative it would be nice if implants and clones were completely seperate.
Implants switched at will, either physically or using a licence system like skins would work. And jump clones for bouncing around Known space.
I am guessing, after seeing the kerr nano coating demo on the o7 stream that that might be possible? If so I would love it, you buy a range of implants and switch at will?
Naturally those who like expensive pod losses on killboards would be dissatisfied, but the game design is not based around satisfying kill boards is it?
I do feel that NOT being able to Jump clone into wormholes actually benefits wormhole space. Though of course some days, being lazy would be nice. However overall I am quite happy it remains so you cannot. It would unbalance POS and Hole defence if it was allowed.
There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
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Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
364
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Posted - 2015.01.22 15:24:52 -
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MooMooDachshundCow wrote: Was that an argument FOR or AGAINST? B/c there are already plenty of K-space farming groups that hardly make any content for the rest of us. I don't think bringing in more of them would be good for anything other than their wallets.
There are already plenty of null groups with farming alts in WH space. Don't encourage them.
That said, switching clones in POS is good. CCPlease
More of a case of what would be "good" for some can be different from "good" for others. Jump clones would be a QOL improvement, just like clone switching. |
MooMooDachshundCow
Incertae Sedis
165
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Posted - 2015.01.22 15:56:43 -
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Aiyshimin wrote:
More of a case of what would be "good" for some can be different from "good" for others. Jump clones would be a QOL improvement, just like clone switching.
Only for the farmers and non-committed-W-space residents. I don't care to encourage more of either of those groups.
It's laughably simply to get back to a WH in an interceptor. Near zero risk and very fast.
Jump cloning to a WH would sidestep the need for a defender to regain hole control. Hole control is VERY central to WH life and defense. This change would break that.
I don't expect jump clones in WH space anytime soon, and I would not welcome them. Even if it is a QOL improvement.
Yeah, well, it's just like my-áopinion, man.
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Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
365
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Posted - 2015.01.22 16:32:57 -
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MooMooDachshundCow wrote:Aiyshimin wrote:
More of a case of what would be "good" for some can be different from "good" for others. Jump clones would be a QOL improvement, just like clone switching.
Only for the farmers and non-committed-W-space residents. I don't care to encourage more of either of those groups. It's laughably simply to get back to a WH in an interceptor. Near zero risk and very fast. Jump cloning to a WH would sidestep the need for a defender to regain hole control. Hole control is VERY central to WH life and defense. This change would break that. I don't expect jump clones in WH space anytime soon, and I would not welcome them. Even if it is a QOL improvement.
Inties are fast, but travelling and scanning routes still takes time that could better be spent PVPing. I don't think EVE needs this kind of time sinks. PVE is enough tedious and boring as it is, so anything that minimizes the time spent on it is good for the game.
Make it so that jump clones couldn't be used when the POS is under attack. Or the array/Rorq/whatever couldn't be used inside force field? Wouldn't hurt your niche scenarios either.
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MooMooDachshundCow
Incertae Sedis
167
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Posted - 2015.01.22 17:05:55 -
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Aiyshimin wrote:Inties are fast, but travelling and scanning routes still takes time that could better be spent PVPing. I don't think EVE needs this kind of time sinks. PVE is enough tedious and boring as it is, so anything that minimizes the time spent on it is good for the game.
Make it so that jump clones couldn't be used when the POS is under attack. Or the array/Rorq/whatever couldn't be used inside force field? Wouldn't hurt your niche scenarios either.
I suppose an array with very low HP that could not be used while reinforced might be an OK mix in regards to invasions. I would consider making it anchor away from a POS so it would be laughably easy to attack. Maybe at a planet like a POCO, maybe only at the sun.
Still, this would allow k-spacers to show up for their strategic fights in null easily, then jump back to WH space to run escalations. This is exactly what we don't need more of. There are too many of them already, and each extra carebear or PI pos only servers to increase Bob's righteous anger towards these worthless apostates.
You know what is greatest and best in life Aiyshimin? To crush nullbears, to see them driven from Anoikis, and to hear the lamentation of their Juden.
Yeah, well, it's just like my-áopinion, man.
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Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
365
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Posted - 2015.01.22 18:09:45 -
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MooMooDachshundCow wrote:
Still, this would allow k-spacers to show up for their strategic fights in null easily, then jump back to WH space to run escalations. This is exactly what we don't need more of. There are too many of them already, and each extra carebear or PI pos only servers to increase Bob's righteous anger towards these worthless apostates.
You know what is greatest and best in life Aiyshimin? To crush nullbears, to see them driven from Anoikis, and to hear the lamentation of their Juden.
Think positively, jump clones would give you more nullbears to crush and drive from Anoikis! Imagine all the lamentation. Or at least the lamentation of their alts.
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Nitris Denitrace
Catastrophic Overview Failure Brave Collective
41
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Posted - 2015.01.22 19:27:48 -
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There are no stations in Wormhole space, thus there are no clone vats to recreate your body from. Canonically speaking I'm not even sure how your pod transmits the information of your death and your conscious when we aren't entirely certain where exactly wormhole space is.
On the other hand, you can fit clone bay vats to Rorquals so....theoretically you should be able to jump clone back to the Rorq but I've only seen a Rorq once and that was in Barleguet. Good luck with that endeavor, boy.
Honestly though, getting back to your home system really isn't that difficult unless you live in a C6 or somethin. Find yourself a C3 or lower and find the K-Space and you're back in. *confetti*
You haven't heard? COF is recruiting
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Quattras Peione
Gentlemen of Fortune.
51
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Posted - 2015.01.22 19:55:33 -
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As Nitris said, "Rorqual." I know it sounds trite, but that is going to be the best way to achieve your vision. It's not unheard of for these beasts to be built and deployed in J systems that they will never be able to leave.
Run sites. Learn capital escalation. It's a pair of lofty goals but achievable if they're what you really want. Then build. Remember that. Do not buy, build. But if you do decide to buy and can't figure out how to get it home, please come here for advice. |
MooMooDachshundCow
Incertae Sedis
170
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Posted - 2015.01.22 20:07:59 -
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You can't jump clone to a WH, rorq or otherwise. There are POS mods for mineral compression now.
Why would you want a Rorqual in a WH again?
Yeah, well, it's just like my-áopinion, man.
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Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
214
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Posted - 2015.01.22 21:02:16 -
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MooMooDachshundCow wrote:You can't jump clone to a WH, rorq or otherwise. There are POS mods for mineral compression now.
Why would you want a Rorqual in a WH again? When Noctis is too small, you need capital tractor beams. |
Nitris Denitrace
Catastrophic Overview Failure Brave Collective
42
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Posted - 2015.01.22 21:11:26 -
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MooMooDachshundCow wrote:You can't jump clone to a WH, rorq or otherwise. There are POS mods for mineral compression now.
Why would you want a Rorqual in a WH again?
Like I said, theoretically speaking. I don't know how a Rorqual with a Vat Bay works, as I also stated I have never seen a Rorqual other than one time in Barleguet.
According to the EVELopedia: "Once the clone has been stored the pod pilot may clone jump to that clone whenever they wish, provided that the Rorqual or Titan is in space and has activated the Vat Bay. "
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Clone_Vat_Bay_I
Meaning, yes, you can Jump to a Rorqual as long as the Bay is active. That is why you would want a Rorq in WH space.
You haven't heard? COF is recruiting
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Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
215
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Posted - 2015.01.22 21:57:21 -
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Nope. Can't clone jump to WH Rorqual. |
Paul Vashar
Periphery Bound
20
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Posted - 2015.01.22 22:32:20 -
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Godfrey Silvarna wrote:Nope. Can't clone jump to WH Rorqual. At least they are pretty |
GordonO
Brave Newbies Inc.
84
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Posted - 2015.01.22 23:41:35 -
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Wh's are supposed to be the most dangerous and unknown space in eve.. no local, no stations, etc. I think its fine the way it is.. and yes I used to live in wh exclusively for 3ish years
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Crimson Haybailer
Velocity Explorations Ltd
0
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Posted - 2015.01.24 02:08:06 -
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Really, you would like the comforts of K-Space in W-Space. Perhaps you should shift back to K-Space if you are already a WH resident, or stay in K-Space if you just visit.
Its a bit like going to MacDonalds and asking for a Whopper, sorry we don't serve that here. If you want a Whopper then go to Hungry Jacks/Burger King otherwise choose a Big Mac.
I like the fact the WH have no local, you have to plan your logistics, have to plan what you bring in and out and if you have implants etc. You cant just quickly swap things out change things.
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BayneNothos
United Electro-Magnetic Federation Business Alliance of Manufacturers and Miners
120
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Posted - 2015.01.24 05:45:44 -
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A one way clone jump POS module wouldn't be too bad. Only in, not out. No implants moved. Maybe you need to build the clones with stuff out here. Takes up a bunch of POS resources and shuts off if the POS is RF'd.
I'm sure we've all had times where we've been podded and would be happy to pay 10-20mil or something to get back in right now for round two. |
Crimson Haybailer
Velocity Explorations Ltd
0
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Posted - 2015.01.24 08:58:13 -
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I am still inclined to not agree with the ability to clone into or out of a WH. If you get podded then again adds to the risk. Either have friends still in the WH to help you back in or have an ALT with probes. Me I always have a couple of spare cloakies with probes.
Also one reason is as described in the link.
http://www.space.com/27701-interstellar-movie-science-black-holes.html
Yes it talks about the Interstella movie, but a quote that stood out to me is...
"Or they'd be "spaghettified" by the intense gravitional pull, which would be much stronger at one end of their bodies than the other, Trotta added."
So imagine your conscious trying to travel through a hole and connect with a clone system in a POS.
I would like to think that clone jumping is like being teleported on to the USS Enterprise. How many times have you heard Scotty in Star Trek say that he can't beam you aboard because he cant get a fix on your position, there is just to much interference. Same thing through a WH.
However if for some reason CCP do decide to dumb down the risks of WH and make it easier for people then a clone system in a POS should when online take up all CPU and Power just so that it can communicate and get your conscious from K-Space to your clone in W-Space.
But ultimately you know what. CCP has a lot of work to do with POS mechanics etc so it will be awhile. |
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