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Demonique
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.09.25 11:05:00 -
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Edited by: Demonique on 25/09/2006 11:05:19 Ive been looking at the stats, now, to me it looks like the rupture should pwn the stabber all over the floor whilst laughing manically...... but..... ive heard different from people in game, who seem to love the stabber.
I am basically looking for a cruiser that can compete with a thorax for pirating ability... and to me this looks like the rupture .... but id really like other ppls opinions please
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Demonique
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.09.25 12:31:00 -
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no one has an opinion on the ability of the rupture to solo pirate?
jeez
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Mi Lai
Sanguine Legion Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.25 12:34:00 -
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Personally I prefer the Ruppy over the Stabber. Rupture dishes out more damage, tanks better, and with more slots and dronebay, is more versatile overall.
Also, I have a big problem keeping a Stabber alive (I have this with all my ships actually, but it's worse with the Stabber ), and the bonus to speed, while fun to fly, hasnt really helped me in my pirating much so far, so that I prefer the other damage bonus.
Perhaps check out http://www.scrapheap-challenge.com/, has some excellent ideas on Ruppies.
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Demonique
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.09.25 12:41:00 -
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thankyou very much.... looks like a nice forum
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Kruhl
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Posted - 2006.09.25 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Demonique no one has an opinion on the ability of the rupture to solo pirate?
jeez
Impatient much?
Btw, rupture is a bit more of a PvE ship than PvP compared to the stabber. The stabber's high speeds alow it first of all to control the range of combat, something that's very important in any combat using primarily guns. If you fit it with AC's you can out damage most other cruisers, while still keeping a high enough speed to be almost impossible to hit for medium and large guns. Plus, the stabber's tiny sig radius reduces missile dmg, allowing it to out damage even a caracal in a 1 on 1 fight (along side it's short range/high dmg AC's). The short range of an AC setup isn't a problem since most pvp starts at relatively close range, and the high speed doubles as a potential escape route if you end up in a bad situation.
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Kurlieu
Gallente The Ore House
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Posted - 2006.09.25 17:18:00 -
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For NPC ratting, the Rupture is much better. I actually build/sell both ships and the Stabber outsells the Rupture about 2 to 1, and the Scythe outsells both of those. On the surface of it, the Stabber is about 2.5 Mil cheaper, but once outfitted the price difference between the two is minimal when viewd as a percentage basis.
The Rupture has more structure, armor, and shields, plus two extra low slots. Has more CPU and power as well.Rupture can also go with three launchers if you like missles. It does lack speed however, and has a larger sig radius. Staber is tiny by comparison - hard to hit - but that's what painters are for.
Since I happen to be Gallente, I have most drone skills at 5 plus T2 ability, as well as the drone tracking link skills. The drones on the Rupture work very well for me. The Rupture also reminds me of an old Spanish galleon from a rear 3/4 view, which I like.
My second account is a Minmatar fighter with gun skills very high. In a Stabber he can outdamage the missles of the Rupture so the extra missle slot is moot. You pay your money you take your choice...
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Domalais
Equilibrium LLC United Confederation of Corporations
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Posted - 2006.09.25 22:52:00 -
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Rupture has far better damage output and better tankability than the stabber.
The reason everyone likes the stabber is due to vagabond envy and that a current fad in small ship fittings is high speeds + stab ***** (crow, vaga, etc.). Very few people are flying heavy hitting setups these days.
The advantage to this is that if you're sure of your tackling ability and you don't ***** stabs, you can be certain to deal 20%-50% more damage than your opponents. This allows gangs who are properly equipped w/o stabs to engage enemy gangs almost 1/3rd larger in number and emerge victorious.
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Saint Schala
Crest Tech Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.26 02:33:00 -
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ruppy is ok. I pirate in a vexor and not lost to any of them since i got t2 drones but rupys are a lot harder to bring down. but to be brutaly honest neither can compair the the thorax or the vexor as a solo pvp ship. rax is especally deadly cos it can use a mwd without too much penalty. and the damage a vexor deals out with t2 weapons and drones can be devestating to any cruiser. ------------------------------------------- NERF STABS NERF STABS NERS STABS NERF STABS NERF STABS NERS STABS NERF STABS NERF STABS NERS STABS NERF STABS NERF STABS NERS STABS NERF STABS NERF STABS N |
Krist Valentine
Amarr Bad Omen Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.09.26 07:05:00 -
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Originally by: Saint Schala ruppy is ok. I pirate in a vexor and not lost to any of them since i got t2 drones but rupys are a lot harder to bring down. but to be brutaly honest neither can compair the the thorax or the vexor as a solo pvp ship. rax is especally deadly cos it can use a mwd without too much penalty. and the damage a vexor deals out with t2 weapons and drones can be devestating to any cruiser.
Yeah, I'd pretty much agree with that. I'd probably say Rupture is a good gang ship and Stabber is solo, but Gallente are, in my opinion, the best way to go. - - - - - Yarr? |
Handon Guild
Exotic Dancers Club
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Posted - 2006.09.26 07:57:00 -
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Look, put simply, the stabber sucks!!
Stabbers fall to wolfs, which is my stamp of failure!
A ruppie would own a stabber anytime...it's a better ship overall!
So please, go for the rupture.
Furthermore, I am sick of people flying the speedstabber - only reason to do it is to be able to get away if your adversary overtakes the situation - something that will happen in 90% of your encounters in that weak ship!
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Nerdalus
Minmatar DarkSide Inc
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Posted - 2006.09.26 11:49:00 -
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i would definatly go for the rupture, the stabber is weak and only good for running away
I like the damage of the rupture and dont find many cruisers that can cope with it.
My set up is :
Highs: 4 x dual180mm autocanons 2x medium nos Mids : ab, web, 7.5km scram lows : 800mm plate, exp and kinetic hardner, pdu, and medium armor rep
Use tech 2 or named if you can as it makes huge difference. Another cruiser i have had great success with is the maller. My laser skills suck so i have used small tech 2 280mm howitzers with tech 2 ammo, which means i can make an awesome thank, which will out tank most cruisers with ease.
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Demonique
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.09.26 12:07:00 -
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I have to admit....... im leaning towards the rupture on this one.
Also... ive been looking at the stats.... i think a well fitted rupture could give a thorax a run for its money...... maybe even win in the hands of a competant combat pilot. here are some of the reasons i'm starting to believe this;
1) Fitting: The rupture has 6 high slots compared to the thorax's 5, now, the Thorax can field 5 guns, where the rupture can only field 4, hoever the ruppy has some more versitility in that it can alos field a med Nos & a missile launcher, whereas the thorax must remove a gun to fit a Nos. **Those missiles will of course do extra damage to a mwd'ing Thorax.
2)Signature Radius: Not much to say here really... onlu 10m difference, but, its in favour of the rupture.
3)Drone bay: Thorax wins here, hands down in fact, but its worth pointing out that the rupture has a 30m3 drone bay, and whilst not up to the size of the thorax, it is still resppectable, i can only think of the vexor that beats it quite so badly (off the top of my head )
4)Capacitor: The Tjhorax has a larger capacitor, by 100 energy. (Rup= 1000, Rax= 1100), however, the recharge rate of the rupture is much faster than that of the thorax, the Rupture recharges in 357 sec, and the Thorax in 393, when u add to this the fact that most thorax's will be packing a MWD, even when u take the Gal Cruiser bonus into account i think the Rupture will come out on top where cap is concerned.
It may also be worth noting that the Rupture has a better propulsion strength, and a slightly higher shield..... but these are probably not major points.
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Nerdalus
Minmatar DarkSide Inc
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Posted - 2006.09.26 12:14:00 -
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If you know you are going to fight a thorax they are easy to tank against, although if you are caught unaware by one, especially with tech 2 guns, you'll die pretty quickly. I dont think the sig radious increase affects a ship the size of the thorax as a missile can only do so much damage anyway.
Nos is good as the thorax weapons use cap to run, where as the minmitar ones, projectiles, dont, so once they have no cap they have no guns.
For damage i would rate the rax just as high if not higher than the rupture, and it is a tough oppenent, thats why u should pick your fights wisely.
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sariss
Art of War Cult of War
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Posted - 2006.09.26 18:30:00 -
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Stabber is fast and deals a good amount of damage (1 speed and 1 RoF bonus). It is even fast enough to break through smaller 0.0 gatecamps. The drawback is that it lacks tanking ability. It is best to kill frigs/ceptors/AFs and the other tier 1/2 cruisers. A well fitted Thorax will eat you alive though.
The Rupture on the other hand is slow, ugly and handles like a brick. But it gets 2 turret bonus (damage and RoF). An autocannon-Rupture deals a sick amount of damage and still has enough PG left to fit a decent tank. With good skills the Rupture is in most 1 on 1 situations superior to the Thorax. An experienced Rupture pilot is even a threat to battlecruisers and HACs.
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OrangeAfroMan
Suffoco Noctis Atrocitas
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Posted - 2006.09.27 02:40:00 -
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Originally by: Kruhl
Originally by: Demonique no one has an opinion on the ability of the rupture to solo pirate?
jeez
Impatient much?
Btw, rupture is a bit more of a PvE ship than PvP compared to the stabber. The stabber's high speeds alow it first of all to control the range of combat, something that's very important in any combat using primarily guns. If you fit it with AC's you can out damage most other cruisers, while still keeping a high enough speed to be almost impossible to hit for medium and large guns. Plus, the stabber's tiny sig radius reduces missile dmg, allowing it to out damage even a caracal in a 1 on 1 fight (along side it's short range/high dmg AC's). The short range of an AC setup isn't a problem since most pvp starts at relatively close range, and the high speed doubles as a potential escape route if you end up in a bad situation.
Web = speed advantage irrellivent.
Outside webrange barrage doesnt do enough damage anyway (works on vaga b/c of an additional 50% falloff bonus)
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Splitter Macdung
Minmatar Vale Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2006.09.27 03:19:00 -
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Rupture. it hits harder and tanks better than a stabber anyday. Stabbers, while being fun to fly, and making great tacklers for gang warfare, simply dont hold up to the rupture, like other posters have said. Rupture vs Thorax comes down to a couple factors: 1. Engagement Range. You better belive that that Thorax pilot has MWD and blasters fitted. If he doesnt, congratulations on your killmail. You need to have a MWD fitted as well, there's no reason not to, especially now that projectiles dont use cap. If you're really worried about your cap, you have your 2 free highslots to put med nos in. with decent skills you can orbit outside his web range, inside your Nos range, and still score a credible amount of hits with nuclear ammo. with a 20k scram, this is one dead blasterboat. 2. Fitting. Do not fly an arty rupture for solo PVP, all you are is a killmail waiting to happen. You cant fit a decent tank/MWD with artillery, although the arty Rupture is effective in gangs. You can run a 180mm t2 gun rupture with MWD and t2 tank with decent skills. with t1 named, its even easier, but less of a powerhouse. The trouble with Thoraxes has been/is still that they are very easy to do well with for gallente pilots. Blasters hit like large fiery trucks, even with minimal skills, and with drones V and drone interfacing, even without t2 drones, the rax's drone bay is not to be ignored. its not as bad as it used to be, but with a decently drone skilled character its a threat. I tend to web, shoot, and sic my own drones on his before I start on his shields, and its worked out well for me the last 2 times i've ransomed Thorax pilots. For your drone bay I recommend 4 lights and 1 med, so you throw out 5 drones, with a bit of punch. Aaaaand thats enough trade secrets for the day, yarrr matey, yar.
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Nerdalus
Minmatar DarkSide Inc
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Posted - 2006.09.27 07:44:00 -
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Originally by: Kruhl Btw, rupture is a bit more of a PvE ship than PvP compared to the stabber.
pffft
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Nerdalus
Minmatar DarkSide Inc
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Posted - 2006.09.27 07:47:00 -
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Originally by: Saint Schala ruppy is ok. I pirate in a vexor and not lost to any of them since i got t2 drones but rupys are a lot harder to bring down. but to be brutaly honest neither can compair the the thorax or the vexor as a solo pvp ship. rax is especally deadly cos it can use a mwd without too much penalty. and the damage a vexor deals out with t2 weapons and drones can be devestating to any cruiser.
I dont think you have been on the end of tech 2 medium autocanons, as there is no way a vexor can withstand them. The vexor is good for its drones but its easy to beat with a tech 2 fitted rupture.
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Garmon
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Posted - 2006.09.27 18:36:00 -
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Edited by: Garmon on 27/09/2006 18:38:10 You need high sp to drive the stabber effectively, t2 medium auto's is usually a must to be affective in it as you can stay out of 10km range and still hit without gimped dps
i thought it was a gimp ship before i flown one but i was surprised, got a cyclone and brutix in a gate camp once
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terje
evolution insane
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Posted - 2006.10.01 11:34:00 -
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Edited by: terje on 01/10/2006 11:34:11
Originally by: Handon Guild Look, put simply, the stabber sucks!!
Stabbers fall to wolfs, which is my stamp of failure!
A ruppie would own a stabber anytime...it's a better ship overall!
So please, go for the rupture.
Furthermore, I am sick of people flying the speedstabber - only reason to do it is to be able to get away if your adversary overtakes the situation - something that will happen in 90% of your encounters in that weak ship!
if u fit a stabber right u can kill most things. id avoid ravens tbh. im looking forward to meeting a blaster deimos in my stabber. here is what they are capable of.Linkage
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chiefyuk
Amarr Bad Karma.
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Posted - 2006.10.01 11:37:00 -
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If you setup a stabber correctly you can take on almost any ship.
I wont give you my setup but try things you wouldnt normaly do ;) ------------------------------------------------ You can kill the protester but you cant kill the protest ------------------------------------------------ |
Saint Schala
Crest Tech Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.01 11:47:00 -
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Quote: Originally by: Saint Schala -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ruppy is ok. I pirate in a vexor and not lost to any of them since i got t2 drones but rupys are a lot harder to bring down. but to be brutaly honest neither can compair the the thorax or the vexor as a solo pvp ship. rax is especally deadly cos it can use a mwd without too much penalty. and the damage a vexor deals out with t2 weapons and drones can be devestating to any cruiser. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I dont think you have been on the end of tech 2 medium autocanons, as there is no way a vexor can withstand them. The vexor is good for its drones but its easy to beat with a tech 2 fitted rupture.
eem i have pwned many many t2 fitted ruppys autos are naff crap range! and i use jammers on my vexor. i just pop its puney t1 drones with small blasters and a web, scram at 18k and pwn it with meh uberdrones. if the drones start takin damage pull them in for a shield repair and watch him cringe every time u get a jamming cycle on it . yarrrr -----------------------------------------------
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Speed Devil
Caldari Liberty Rogues Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2006.10.01 11:54:00 -
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rupture: 200ms / 5 lowslots stabber 235ms / 3 lowslots
put 2 overdrives on it and ull go faster than the stabber with the same tank rupture has more armor, 2 damagebonuses while stabber has 1 30m¦ dronebay while stabber has 5m¦
only disadvantages are that ruppie has more mass and has a bigger sig radius
i know what to pick, ruppie ftw!
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Balklanac
Freezoner
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Posted - 2006.10.01 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Handon Guild Look, put simply, the stabber sucks!!
Stabbers fall to wolfs, which is my stamp of failure!
Thats ******* ridiculous ---------
I would love to see a bounty pilot get some friend or an alt to pod them to collect the isk if that resulted in a two week delay before their 'personality' was uploaded to a new clone. |
ZuN3
Fortunis Novum Black Flag Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.01 13:04:00 -
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Originally by: Speed Devil rupture: 200ms / 5 lowslots stabber 235ms / 3 lowslots
put 2 overdrives on it and ull go faster than the stabber with the same tank rupture has more armor, 2 damagebonuses while stabber has 1 30m¦ dronebay while stabber has 5m¦
only disadvantages are that ruppie has more mass and has a bigger sig radius
i know what to pick, ruppie ftw!
235m/s + 25% bonus..
I love the stabber personally, I love the rupture too. Both good ships, I prefer my stabber for roaming just because of how speedy it is. treat it like a mini vagabond with slightly less shield hp and a bit less fall off, you can still hit from outside 10km, it's very effective ;]
btw, please give stabber 5% to fall off per level like the vagabond! please please please.
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Scoundrelus
The Black Fleet Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.01 15:01:00 -
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Stabber with T2 ACs and long range T2 ammo... ===============================================
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Gabby05
Amarr Hedion University
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Posted - 2006.10.01 19:48:00 -
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I think the OP is trying to find a minmatar cruiser that can compete against a thorax, not tryin to state the obvious but a stabber is a tier 2 ship and a thorax is tier 3 so the odds are already stacked against it.
Stabber doesnt have the pg nor the capacitor to maintain a good tank or mwd, the thorax does. I have no idea why everyone compares the stabber to the vaga other than it looks like it and inherits one bonus that the stabber has (speed).
If vaga didnt have the damage and rof bonus the rupture does it just wouldnt rip through stuff as good as it does meaning it wouldnt be able to tear through bs's.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.01 19:52:00 -
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Stabber can easily kill the thorax if he doesnt get webbed. How are you going to catch a smart pilot that is faster than you?
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