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DaReaper
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Posted - 2015.01.28 19:52:04 -
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Solops Crendraven wrote:I dont mind Plex For $20 However I should be geting 2 billion isk not this not 600 million 1 day and 800million another day the price should be the same thats why they need to get rid of this player economics dosnt make sense instead have a CCP Store where you Buy everything like any normal MMO .
I.. wait what? You want to destroy one of the things that makes eve eve? I never say this.. but.. go back to WoW.
The reason you sell plex for isk is to combat RMT. the price adjust based on supply and demand, much like an isk seller would just keep giving you more isk for the same money over time. If the plex cost go up with demand it means that if I have the choice between buying 800m isk from site x for $20 or buying a plex for $20 that I can see at the introductory price of 250m (yes they were 250m when they first came out) Then what am I going to pick?
However, if the price of plex rises with demand, and I want 800m.. well i'll buy the plex as then I won't get banned.
As I already said, plex needs to be decoupled from everything EXCEPT game time. Arum should be used to buy plex, and other such stuff. Plex can be sold for isk if you chose, hell its an ingame item, but I should just be able to sell Arum for isk.
But baring that, I go to ccp. I buy $20 worth of Arum. I go to the NES, I buy my plex with arum, and use it, or sell it for isk. I can also buy char training, resculpt, for arum. When the alliance tournament comes up, CCP makes AT tokens, that I buy for arum and can sell on the market. the tokens are always there but not valuable till the AT shows up.
That's what needs to happen. Two currencies, Isk or ARUM. Plex decoupled, and used for JUST game time. That's all. this will curb plex prices.
OR you eliminate plex. remove it fully.
I then buy Arum, can sell tokens on the market. I use said token to buy game time, or other goodies from the NES store.
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Solops Crendraven
Solops Inc
73
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Posted - 2015.01.28 21:12:45 -
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DaReaper wrote:[quote=Solops Crendraven]I dont mind Plex For $20 However I should be geting 2 billion isk not this not 600 million 1 day and 800million another day the price should be the same thats why they need to get rid of this player economics dosnt make sense instead have a CCP Store where you Buy everything like any normal MMO .
I.. wait what? You want to destroy one of the things that makes eve eve? I never say this.. but.. go back to WoW.
The reason you sell plex for isk is to combat RMT. the price adjust based on supply and demand, much like an isk seller would just keep giving you more isk for the same money over time. If the plex cost go up with demand it means that if I have the choice between buying 800m isk from site x for $20 or buying a plex for $20 that I can see at the introductory price of 250m (yes they were 250m when they first came out) Then what am I going to pick?
However, if the price of plex rises with demand, and I want 800m.. well i'll buy the plex as then I won't get banned.
As I already said, plex needs to be decoupled from everything EXCEPT game time. Arum should be used to buy plex, and other such stuff. Plex can be sold for isk if you chose, hell its an ingame item, but I should just be able to sell Arum for isk.
But baring that, I go to ccp. I buy $20 worth of Arum. I go to the NES, I buy my plex with arum, and use it, or sell it for isk. I can also buy char training, resculpt, for arum. When the alliance tournament comes up, CCP makes AT tokens, that I buy for arum and can sell on the market. the tokens are always there but not valuable till the AT shows up.
That's what needs to happen. Two currencies, Isk or ARUM. Plex decoupled, and used for JUST game time. That's all. this will curb plex prices.
OR you eliminate plex. remove it fully.
I then buy Arum, can sell tokens on the market. I use said token to buy game time, or other goodies from the NES store.
My main issue is this up and down economics and not getting my $20 worth if eliminating Plex and sticking to Arum well fix that so be it. I just feel everything is overpriced and ridiculously expensive and on top of it I get a miserly amount isk For the Buck. Theres a reason wow has 10 million Subs And How come you cant level up your Pilot to 90?I think Eve Should stop trying to be so Hardcore its hurting Sells.
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1532
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Posted - 2015.01.28 21:22:35 -
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Solops Crendraven wrote:
My main issue is this up and down economics and not getting my $20 worth if eliminating Plex and sticking to Arum well fix that so be it. I just feel everything is overpriced and ridiculously expensive and on top of it I get a miserly amount isk For the Buck.
You get what the market is willing to give you for a PLEX.
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Solops Crendraven
Solops Inc
73
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Posted - 2015.01.28 21:38:40 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Solops Crendraven wrote:
My main issue is this up and down economics and not getting my $20 worth if eliminating Plex and sticking to Arum well fix that so be it. I just feel everything is overpriced and ridiculously expensive and on top of it I get a miserly amount isk For the Buck.
You get what the market is willing to give you for a PLEX. You Find that Ok?So Your telling you rather get your plex in a market that pretty much rips you off Plex vs 2billion fixed rate you can buy directly from CCP than shenanigans from players Im sorry as a Dev I wouldnt be Proud of a game That encourages Fraud and theft amongst players thats not Hardcore thats Criminal why would people want to subscribe to that. And the craziest thing is I have to ask my Bank to Unblock Eve Online In The RW so i can buy plex every month because they flagged it as a Fraudulent company thats insane.trust If they gave me back my Thousands of dollars i invested in this game trust i wouldve unsubed along time ago.
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Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy Caldari State
480
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Posted - 2015.01.28 22:22:47 -
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Solops Crendraven wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Solops Crendraven wrote:
My main issue is this up and down economics and not getting my $20 worth if eliminating Plex and sticking to Arum well fix that so be it. I just feel everything is overpriced and ridiculously expensive and on top of it I get a miserly amount isk For the Buck.
You get what the market is willing to give you for a PLEX. You Find that Ok?So Your telling you rather get your plex in a market that pretty much rips you off Plex vs 2billion fixed rate you can buy directly from CCP than shenanigans from players. Im sorry as a Dev I wouldnt be Proud of a game That encourages Fraud and theft amongst players thats not Hardcore thats Criminal why would people want to subscribe to that. And the craziest thing is I have to ask my Bank to Unblock Eve Online In The RW so i can buy plex every month because they flagged it as a Fraudulent company thats insane. If they gave me back my Thousands of dollars i invested in this game trust me i wouldve unsubed along time ago. Which part of "PLAYER DRIVEN ECONOMY", which incidentally is one of the major selling points of Eve and is a term that CCP use in their advertising, do you fail to understand?
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Solops Crendraven
Solops Inc
73
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Posted - 2015.01.28 22:31:21 -
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Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:Solops Crendraven wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Solops Crendraven wrote:
My main issue is this up and down economics and not getting my $20 worth if eliminating Plex and sticking to Arum well fix that so be it. I just feel everything is overpriced and ridiculously expensive and on top of it I get a miserly amount isk For the Buck.
You get what the market is willing to give you for a PLEX. You Find that Ok?So Your telling you rather get your plex in a market that pretty much rips you off Plex vs 2billion fixed rate you can buy directly from CCP than shenanigans from players. Im sorry as a Dev I wouldnt be Proud of a game That encourages Fraud and theft amongst players thats not Hardcore thats Criminal why would people want to subscribe to that. And the craziest thing is I have to ask my Bank to Unblock Eve Online In The RW so i can buy plex every month because they flagged it as a Fraudulent company thats insane. If they gave me back my Thousands of dollars i invested in this game trust me i wouldve unsubed along time ago. Which part of "PLAYER DRIVEN ECONOMY", which incidentally is one of the major selling points of Eve and is a term that CCP use in their advertising, do you fail to understand? I get It... I Understand "the player driven economy" is a FAIL They would be more Successful Advertising Simcity Chimera roams thru space.
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Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy Caldari State
480
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Posted - 2015.01.28 22:32:57 -
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Solops Crendraven wrote:I get It... I Understand "the player driven economy" is a FAIL They would be more Successful Advertising Simcity Chimera roams thru space. Please explain the logic behind your claim that the player driven economy is a fail.
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Solops Crendraven
Solops Inc
73
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Posted - 2015.01.28 22:51:42 -
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Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:Solops Crendraven wrote:I get It... I Understand "the player driven economy" is a FAIL They would be more Successful Advertising Simcity Chimera roams thru space. Please explain the logic behind your claim that the player driven economy is a fail. When a Virtual Ship(Titan) Costs $7600 that you dont own according to EULA thats illogical.For Gods sake man its a Down payment for a RW House. On Top of that I have to By Plex to Sub 3 accounts that I will never own .I might as well give all my Money To Benny Hinn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9SS95q2kpg
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Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy Caldari State
480
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Posted - 2015.01.28 23:03:10 -
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Solops Crendraven wrote:Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:Solops Crendraven wrote:I get It... I Understand "the player driven economy" is a FAIL They would be more Successful Advertising Simcity Chimera roams thru space. Please explain the logic behind your claim that the player driven economy is a fail. When a Virtual Ship(Titan) Costs $7600 No it doesn't, it has no real world value because it can't legally be sold in the real world; it may cost the isk equivalent of $7600 but that's besides the point.
The $ figures used in the media when talking about losses in Eve are comparative to make the scale of loss in Eve easier to comprehend for the general public.
Quote:that you dont own according to EULA thats illogical.For Gods sake man its a Down payment for a RW House. On Top I have to By Plex to Sub 3 accounts that I will never own . Welcome to the terms of pretty much much every EULA ever.
[quote]I might as well give all my Money To Benny Hinn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9SS95q2kpgYou get more value for money out of Eve than you will out of any televangelist.
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Solops Crendraven
Solops Inc
73
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Posted - 2015.01.28 23:18:43 -
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Bottom line What I am saying is This wouldn't be a issue If CCP Allowed Players to sell their Plex and accounts for real money. I just dont see any ROI On This game and that too is against EULA . All Im Trying to do is make it cheaper and more affordable for us gamers thats all.The More we get rid of all the isk and material Sinks the Better.Get Rid Of The Plex!
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Kaarous Aldurald
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
11536
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Posted - 2015.01.28 23:20:53 -
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Solops Crendraven wrote:Bottom line What I am saying is This wouldn't be a issue If CCP Allowed Players to sell their Plex and accounts for real money. I just dont see any ROI On This game and that too is against EULA . All Im Trying to do is make it cheaper and more affordable for us gamers thats all.The More we get rid of all the Isk Sinks the Better.
One of my cats once looked over my shoulder at one of your posts, and he got a nosebleed. I didn't know cats could get nosebleeds.
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One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Solops Crendraven
Solops Inc
73
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Posted - 2015.01.28 23:29:54 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Solops Crendraven wrote:Bottom line What I am saying is This wouldn't be a issue If CCP Allowed Players to sell their Plex and accounts for real money. I just dont see any ROI On This game and that too is against EULA . All Im Trying to do is make it cheaper and more affordable for us gamers thats all.The More we get rid of all the Isk Sinks the Better. One of my cats once looked over my shoulder at one of your posts, and he got a nosebleed. I didn't know cats could get nosebleeds. Cats Get Nosebleeds?
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Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy Caldari State
481
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Posted - 2015.01.28 23:34:54 -
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Solops Crendraven wrote:Bottom line What I am saying is This wouldn't be a issue If CCP Allowed Players to sell their Plex and accounts for real money. Something that is explicitly forbidden; their game, their intellectual property, their rules. If you don't like it you're free to leave and find something that meets your requirements.
Quote:I just dont see any ROI On This game and that too is against EULA It's a game, the ROI is measured in fun and being entertained, if neither applies then you don't have to play.
Quote:All Im Trying to do is make it cheaper and more affordable for us gamers thats all.The More we get rid of all the isk and material Sinks the Better.Get Rid Of The Plex! The solution to your problem is obvious, play a game that meets your requirements instead of one that doesn't.
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Solops Crendraven
Solops Inc
73
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Posted - 2015.01.29 00:03:15 -
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I am entertained and have alot of Fun especially on these Forums however nothing wrong In making a little money I don't mind spending the Plex However i dont Mind getting rid of it Either to get more for my Buck I assure You Eve will become a better sandbox With me in it because I am The Solution. I am what EVe needs.
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Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy Caldari State
481
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Posted - 2015.01.29 00:18:32 -
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Solops Crendraven wrote:I am entertained and have alot of Fun especially on these Forums So why are you whining? You're getting your desired ROI, just not fiscally.
Quote:however nothing wrong In making a little money There is when it violates the EULA.
Quote:I don't mind spending the Plex However i dont Mind getting rid of it Either to get more for my Buck PLEX is CCPs solution to RMT, it enables them to gather income that would otherwise go to gold farmers running bots, income that is spent on improvements to the game among other things
Quote:I assure You Eve will become a better sandbox Yeah right...
Quote:With me in it because I am The Solution. I am what EVe needs. You're certainly something, this isn't it.
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DaReaper
Net 7
1751
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Posted - 2015.01.29 00:22:09 -
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Solops Crendraven wrote:Bottom line What I am saying is This wouldn't be a issue If CCP Allowed Players to sell their Plex and accounts for real money. I just dont see any ROI On This game and that too is against EULA . All Im Trying to do is make it cheaper and more affordable for us gamers thats all.The More we get rid of all the isk and material Sinks the Better.Get Rid Of The Plex!
so you want RMT then?
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Solops Crendraven
Solops Inc
73
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Posted - 2015.01.29 00:30:56 -
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We can go on Debating and debating Blue to our Faces. It wont change the Fact That I will remain And the Plex System will be no more. You think Eve is going to be the same in 30 years from now or even exist ? All i can say My Role In Eve Either in Real Life or Role Playing I am a Disrupt or and a Agent of Change so all i can say Live With It!
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Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy Caldari State
481
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Posted - 2015.01.29 00:33:36 -
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Solops Crendraven wrote:We can go on Debating and debating Blue to our Faces. It wont change the Fact That I will remain And the Plex System will be no more. You think Eve is going to be the same in 30 years from now or even exist ? All i can say My Role In Eve Either in Real Life or Role Playing I am a Disrupt or and a Agent of Change so all i can say Live With It! Dream on...
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Zyphus Sky
Time Lord Academy Vanguard of the Phoenix
1
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Posted - 2015.01.29 00:39:23 -
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Brainless Bimbo
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
85
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Posted - 2015.01.29 12:57:19 -
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Solops Crendraven wrote:We can go on Debating and debating Blue to our Faces. It wont change the Fact That I will remain And the Plex System will be no more. You think Eve is going to be the same in 30 years from now or even exist ? All i can say My Role In Eve Either in Real Life or Role Playing I am a Disrupt or and a Agent of Change so all i can say Live With It! Honestly, when that bus hits you in 3 years time the gene pool will be improved... well that is as likely as your statement when all is said and done
My point is, you do not know the future, any thing can happen but until you can understand that PLEX was bought in to stop real money transactions that undermine the company that is CCP and its product eve, you fail.
All i get from this is your account(-¦s) are probably flagged as is you IP address(-¦s) and probally those you interact with as you are promoting real money transfer for virtual objects that are the property of CCP. In words you can understand you are basically saying that someone can come round to your house and just remove your goods and sell them to your neighbor and it will be all fine and dandy with you.
Honestly i bet you think Fox is news, Ayn Rand was a visionary and anyone not you is detritus, there is nothing to debate
already dead, just haven-¦t fallen over yet....
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Commander Cute
Capsuleer Retirement Home
18
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Posted - 2015.01.29 13:44:46 -
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This thread is absolutely blowing my mind. |
Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy Caldari State
491
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Posted - 2015.01.29 13:47:03 -
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Commander Cute wrote:This thread is absolutely blowing my mind. You're one up on the illiterate troll, you've got a mind to blow
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1535
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Posted - 2015.01.29 15:03:16 -
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Solops Crendraven wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Solops Crendraven wrote:
My main issue is this up and down economics and not getting my $20 worth if eliminating Plex and sticking to Arum well fix that so be it. I just feel everything is overpriced and ridiculously expensive and on top of it I get a miserly amount isk For the Buck.
You get what the market is willing to give you for a PLEX. You Find that Ok?So Your telling you rather get your plex in a market that pretty much rips you off Plex vs 2billion fixed rate you can buy directly from CCP than shenanigans from players. Im sorry as a Dev I wouldnt be Proud of a game That encourages Fraud and theft amongst players thats not Hardcore thats Criminal why would people want to subscribe to that. And the craziest thing is I have to ask my Bank to Unblock Eve Online In The RW so i can buy plex every month because they flagged it as a Fraudulent company thats insane. If they gave me back my Thousands of dollars i invested in this game trust me i wouldve unsubed along time ago.
Yes I find it completely OK as you are trading something with in-game value for something else in game. If you are not happy about the rate you get out of it, then don't participate in such market. Nobody force you to buy PLEX to get ISK or use PLEX to sub your account. |
Gilan Isana
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2015.01.29 20:32:04 -
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[quote=waflat maplat]should CCP get rid of the PLEX system?
NO
one word :
HYPER-INFLATION |
Sugar Smacks
State War Academy Caldari State
32
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Posted - 2015.01.29 20:47:07 -
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Solops Crendraven wrote:Bottom line What I am saying is This wouldn't be a issue If CCP Allowed Players to sell their Plex and accounts for real money. I just dont see any ROI On This game and that too is against EULA . All Im Trying to do is make it cheaper and more affordable for us gamers thats all.The More we get rid of all the isk and material Sinks the Better.Get Rid Of The Plex!
The problem with your thinking is the money then does not go to CCP.
There are several games with online websites that sell their virtual currency for money. These sites do NOTHING for the parent company of that game. Usually they just take away the legit income they had coming.
Games need income sinks, if you just accumulated money forever that would get too boring.
Next time try thinking about the game first and then yourself so you look like less of a selfish ***hole. |
Solops Crendraven
Solops Inc
73
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Posted - 2015.01.29 20:58:12 -
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Here we Go again
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Solops Crendraven
Solops Inc
73
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Posted - 2015.01.29 21:00:52 -
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Sugar Smacks wrote:Solops Crendraven wrote:Bottom line What I am saying is This wouldn't be a issue If CCP Allowed Players to sell their Plex and accounts for real money. I just dont see any ROI On This game and that too is against EULA . All Im Trying to do is make it cheaper and more affordable for us gamers thats all.The More we get rid of all the isk and material Sinks the Better.Get Rid Of The Plex! The problem with your thinking is the money then does not go to CCP. There are several games with online websites that sell their virtual currency for money. These sites do NOTHING for the parent company of that game. Usually they just take away the legit income they had coming. Games need income sinks, if you just accumulated money forever that would get too boring. Next time try thinking about the game first and then yourself so you look like less of a selfish ***hole. When Im The paying Customer My needs come before any Corp. Im Not a Charity.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
16012
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Posted - 2015.01.29 21:27:06 -
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socratic_method
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Solops Crendraven
Solops Inc
73
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Posted - 2015.01.29 21:42:36 -
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Malcanis wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socratic_method Im actually a Anti-intellectualist So your Preaching to the choir. if he was so smart he wouldnt of committed sucide. And He would've probably debated against me to death on CCP Getting rid Of the Plex.
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Leoric Firesword
Rolling Static Gone Critical
119
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Posted - 2015.01.29 22:53:56 -
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nope, because I plex my account.
if they took that away I'd quit playing, not because I can't afford to pay for the game, but because I don't really feel like it. |
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