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Kale Raleigh
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.01.26 20:09:52 -
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I have 250 mill in exploring goods and I wanted to take them to Jita to sell. I know for most of you billionaires that's not a lot :p but currently it doubles my wallet. I want to know how I can get this to high sec without dying. I don't want to have to wait until the map is completely clear of ships destroyed in the last hour. |
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
5923
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Posted - 2015.01.26 20:13:12 -
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Depending on the volume, get a covops or a blockade runner. Fly like you're in low-sec and everyone is after you. Use a longer route through a back entry gate into Jita. Don't tell anyone when you're flying, what you're flying and what you have in the hold, not even your friends.
Sovereignty and Population
New Mining Mechanics
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Dradis Aulmais
By Light and Banner's Fallen
666
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Posted - 2015.01.26 20:13:13 -
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Everyone in C&P is now running a locator agent on you best bet is to run for it and hope for the best. Check eve maps.dotlan and plan the shortest route to high and gun it
CSM 10: Mike Azariah, Sugar Kyle, Jenshae chrioptera
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1528
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Posted - 2015.01.26 20:15:30 -
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Kale Raleigh wrote:I have 250 mill in exploring goods and I wanted to take them to Jita to sell. I know for most of you billionaires that's not a lot :p but currently it doubles my wallet. I want to know how I can get this to high sec without dying. I don't want to have to wait until the map is completely clear of ships destroyed in the last hour.
Assuming this is an alt as to not tell people who will be making the trip, are you affiliated with any large organisation? They might be able to help you out. |
Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
28
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Posted - 2015.01.26 20:36:54 -
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1. Stop in the nearest highsec station. 2. Contract goods to courier service. 3. Set collateral around 400 million. 4. Wait for goods to be delivered. 5. Sell goods.
All the profit, none of the risk.
Both Red Frog and PushX are reliable, fairly quick, and reasonably inexpensive. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
19549
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Posted - 2015.01.26 20:46:35 -
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Kale Raleigh wrote:I have 250 mill in exploring goods....
Did anyone else read this as 'exploding goods'?
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
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Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
578
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Posted - 2015.01.26 20:58:00 -
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I assume you acquired these goods by running sites in a tanked frigate or cruiser. Either would be sufficient for hauling the loot to Jita. People don't generally bother to scan or target combat ships, and if you're manually piloting from gate to gate they won't have much time to lock you anyway in such small and fast ships.
Ships to avoid hauling in: rookie ships, shuttles, industrials, freighters. |
Orlacc
745
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Posted - 2015.01.26 21:12:06 -
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Go to Amarr or Rens or Hek or Dodixie etc. instead.
"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
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Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
1731
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Posted - 2015.01.26 21:15:21 -
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Kale Raleigh wrote:I have 250 mill in exploring goods and I wanted to take them to Jita to sell. I know for most of you billionaires that's not a lot :p but currently it doubles my wallet. I want to know how I can get this to high sec without dying. I don't want to have to wait until the map is completely clear of ships destroyed in the last hour. Wanna know a better way than almost anything that might be proposed to you?
load up that hauling ship, and take it to amarr, prices usually within 5% of jita, and theres almost NEVER people popping random ships by station, and theres NEVER an entrance queue |
Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.01.26 21:21:54 -
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250 mil in a properly tanked badger/nereus/wreathe/sigil is more than fine. Blockade Runner would be better.
Setup a courier contract to Jita and over collateralize it then hope it gets ganked (or try to make sure it gets ganked) for even more profit than selling the stuff.
Take a 20% hit and don't move it, just put it up for bulk sale via contract.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
19549
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Posted - 2015.01.26 21:23:16 -
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Orlacc wrote:Go to Amarr or Rens or Hek or Dodixie etc. instead.
What?!?! And avoid all the local spamming, gate traffic jamming grrrr all the things for reasons good times in Jita!?!?
Nariya Kentaya wrote:load up that hauling ship, and take it to amarr, prices usually within 5% of jita, and theres almost NEVER people popping random ships by station, and theres NEVER an entrance queue
And lose out on that 5%!??!?!?!
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
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Marsha Mallow
1882
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Posted - 2015.01.26 21:24:10 -
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Elenahina wrote:1. Stop in the nearest highsec station. 2. Contract goods to courier service. 3. Set collateral around 400 million. 4. Wait for goods to be delivered. 5. Sell goods.
All the profit, none of the risk.
Both Red Frog and PushX are reliable, fairly quick, and reasonably inexpensive. ^ This. Red Frog has a website tool that will calculate the haulage fee, just google it. I haven't used PushX but they sound reliablefrom what I've heard. RF have been awesome for me, to the point you can use them to outsource large portions of heavy industry chains, or relocate all of your stuff with minimal hassle. As long as you set the right collateral (I always mark up around 25% just to be on the safe side) the established courier groups are fairly solid.
If you have to do it yourself just take basic and obvious precautions. Use a tanky hauler (preferably with stabs and a cloak), don't afk the trip, try do it when the server is reasonably quiet (i.e. not on a weekend), check your route on the map and look for obvious hotspots for ganking, and if need be use a scout. It's not a bad exercise to do it yourself if you have the time tbh.
DON'T BE RIDICULOUS!
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Sturmwolke
627
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Posted - 2015.01.26 21:42:24 -
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Step 1: Get into Jita with any cheap shuttle or newbie ship. Make 2 bookmarks for a) Instadock* b) Insta-undock** * Do not use the normal right-click on station boomark. Manually pilot and position the 0 m distance within station docking range. Test ** Offgrid insta-undock > 500-800km. Test.
Step 2: Move stuffs in cloaky ships, preferably with 3-4secs align minimum. Another alternative is smartbomb resistant interceptor/T1 frigate. These MUST be under 2secs align. Blockade runners should be preferably tanked to resist 1 full Tornado 1400mm arty volley. Do not ever use any T1 industrials unless you know the mechanics behind the MWD warp trick. If you have too much volume, consider a heavily tanked deep space transports e.g Occator. No one will bother ganking it for a mere 250mil.
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Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
110
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Posted - 2015.01.26 21:58:36 -
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Sturmwolke wrote:Step 1: Get into Jita with any cheap shuttle or newbie ship. Make 2 bookmarks for a) Instadock* b) Insta-undock** * Do not use the normal right-click on station boomark. Manually pilot and position the 0 m distance within station docking range. Test ** Offgrid insta-undock > 500-800km. Test.
Step 2: Move stuffs in cloaky ships, preferably with 3-4secs align minimum. Another alternative is smartbomb resistant interceptor/T1 frigate. These MUST be under 2secs align. Blockade runners should be preferably tanked to resist 1 full Tornado 1400mm arty volley. Do not ever use any T1 industrials unless you know the mechanics behind the MWD warp trick. If you have too much volume, consider a heavily tanked deep space transports e.g Occator. No one will bother ganking it for a mere 250mil.
This and only this!
I prefer the medium shield <2s interceptor with warp speed rigs. Take a time with lower population in New Eden, so your chance getting stuck at the Jita gate are lower, if it happens spam the jump button twice per second.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Skydell
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
674
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Posted - 2015.01.26 23:44:27 -
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You will be fine. The main thing to avoid is autopilot. Giving the ISK value means very little. M3 is the core number. A Battlecruiser or even a Cruiser can haul a lot of stuff and you can Kin/ Therm tank it to 90%. When was the last time you saw anyone gank with Amarr ships? Ganking relies on Autopilot and bump mechanics. If you are warping at the keyboard and in an unlikely loot pinata you will be fine.
Another element, go to Jita 4, IV in a pod from Perimeter. Undock and create a bookmark. Call it the Warp to 4, IV bookmark.
4, IV is one of those warp to 0 but really warp to 2500 and slow boat in with more than enough time for someone to pop a weak tank. The warp to bookmark is as crucial as the insta out of 4, IV. |
Paranoid Loyd
3638
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Posted - 2015.01.26 23:50:11 -
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Skydell wrote: Ganking relies on Autopilot and bump mechanics. Not sure if you are trying to mislead the OP but I don't rely on either of these and kill people in his scenario on pretty much a daily basis.
Skydell wrote:When was the last time you saw anyone gank with Amarr ships? Oracle is quite effective for killing failfit Occators. Although it is quite rare.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Skydell
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
674
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Posted - 2015.01.27 00:04:37 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Skydell wrote: Ganking relies on Autopilot and bump mechanics. Not sure if you are trying to mislead the OP but I don't rely on either of these and kill people in his scenario on pretty much a daily basis. Skydell wrote:When was the last time you saw anyone gank with Amarr ships? Oracle is quite effective for killing failfit Occators. Although it is quite rare.
No you don't, not using the additional suggestions I made.
Or if you do, feel free to show me where you pop Kin/ Therm cruisers and battlecruisers in High Sec.
I run Jita to Essence all the time. Billions in hold. Never been ganked.
Be sure to try and skeer me with some rubbish about how you plan to sick a locator agent on me.
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Paranoid Loyd
3638
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Posted - 2015.01.27 00:24:36 -
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Your comment was just as relevant without adding in that mis-leading statement, that was my point. If I was going to go to the effort to gank a BC, I would not worry about bumping it or rely on them auto-piloting, I would simply round up enough firepower to perform it on the gate.
FYI, my comments about locator agents are mostly just meta, I've never actually done it before. I wouldn't waste my time hunting someone down for something they said on the forums unless they were really asking for it, if that were the case I wouldn't let them know I was coming for them.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Skydell
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
674
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Posted - 2015.01.27 00:48:39 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:Your comment was just as relevant without adding in that mis-leading statement, that was my point.
FYI, my comments about locator agents are mostly just meta, I've never actually done it before. I wouldn't waste my time hunting someone down for something they said on the forums unless they were really asking for it, if that were the case I wouldn't let them know I was coming for them.
The trouble with making any comments on these forums is there is a potential to bog it down with mindless minutiae.
There is a 22 second Concord delay in .5 space. People lose freighters, full blue fit Golems because of it. I saw a killmail a week ago. The guy had an Impel full tank, 4 points of warp stab and lost it anyway because EVE and because blow stuff up.
No, OP you should huddle in terror in your station and never undock. It's a terror out there. Nothing is safe |
Paranoid Loyd
3638
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Posted - 2015.01.27 01:05:53 -
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What you see as mindless minutiae, I see as discussing the finer points of what is possible and what is not. If you don't want to discuss it then don't post. Your comments with the understanding both you and I have of the mechanics are fine, but in the context of the OP, they are misleading, if you don't agree with that fine, there is no need to get butthurt and post some black and white comment about not un-docking. That was not my point at all.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Skydell
Bad Girl Posse Somethin Awfull Forums
675
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Posted - 2015.01.27 01:46:38 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:What you see as mindless minutiae, I see as discussing the finer points of what is possible and what is not. If you don't want to discuss it then don't post. Your comments with the understanding both you and I have of the mechanics are fine, but in the context of the OP, they are misleading, if you don't agree with that fine, there is no need to get butthurt and post some black and white comment about not un-docking. That was not my point at all.
forum bickering is fine, even if it isn't it has been around as long as EVE so it makes no difference.
Everything I suggested to the OP stands.
EVE is a game of blow stuff up. There is a caveat to every scenario. It isn't 'finer points' because it's an absolute to every scenario.
Back to the top. If the OP wants to move 250 mill worth of low volume loot to Jita? He should just do it because forum potholes are just that and I see what you are doing as creating forum potholes. Maybe I'm wrong but that's how I see it. |
Provence Tristram
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
87
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Posted - 2015.01.27 02:58:35 -
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Skydell wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:Skydell wrote: Ganking relies on Autopilot and bump mechanics. Not sure if you are trying to mislead the OP but I don't rely on either of these and kill people in his scenario on pretty much a daily basis. Skydell wrote:When was the last time you saw anyone gank with Amarr ships? Oracle is quite effective for killing failfit Occators. Although it is quite rare. No you don't, not using the additional suggestions I made. Or if you do, feel free to show me where you pop Kin/ Therm cruisers and battlecruisers in High Sec. I run Jita to Essence all the time. Billions in hold. Never been ganked. Be sure to try and skeer me with some rubbish about how you plan to sick a locator agent on me.
I like the cut of your jib. +1. |
Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
4461
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Posted - 2015.01.27 03:24:53 -
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If you live in nullsec - consider probing down a wormhole route to empire. Scout it out in a cheap probing ship, then return with the stuff.
If you live in lowsec - stick it in an interceptor, and avoid systems with recent podkills, and fly direct to high.
The actual trip from highsec to Jita is quite safe if you are combat fitted (i.e. not a hauling ship) and carrying under a billion.
Chaos. Opportunity. Destruction. Excitement... Vote #1 Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10
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Barrogh Habalu
Forever Winter Absolute Zero.
852
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Posted - 2015.01.27 12:52:16 -
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If you're an explorer, training into covops to haul those will also allow you to use those very covops for exploration, which they are good at. I'm probably stating the obvious, but there it is.
If you are talking about nullsec route, then I second what was said before - navigating wormhole chains seem to be less of a hassle than running through k-space, depending on where you leave, your timezone and how merciful Bob is to you. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
4958
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Posted - 2015.01.27 13:45:13 -
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Nariya Kentaya wrote:Kale Raleigh wrote:I have 250 mill in exploring goods and I wanted to take them to Jita to sell. I know for most of you billionaires that's not a lot :p but currently it doubles my wallet. I want to know how I can get this to high sec without dying. I don't want to have to wait until the map is completely clear of ships destroyed in the last hour. Wanna know a better way than almost anything that might be proposed to you? load up that hauling ship, and take it to amarr, prices usually within 5% of jita, and theres almost NEVER people popping random ships by station, and theres NEVER an entrance queue I think the issue is how to get it into highsec in the first place rather than how to get it to Jita. If it was just "how do I get through highsec to Jita", I'd tell them to use red-frog. As a younger player I'd even suggest they set up a well collateralised courier contract to me and I'd do a run for free.
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Dominique Vasilkovsky
BFG Tech
153
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Posted - 2015.01.27 16:11:05 -
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Just don't autopilot in a T1 hauler and you will be fine.
Dominique Vasilkovsky EVEboard
Once known as:
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Brylan Grey
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
67
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Posted - 2015.01.28 05:19:36 -
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Other trade hubs is a possibility.
A fast align ship like a T1 frig with nano fibers could get by pretty well as most don't assume you have a lot of isk to warrant a gank in high sec.
Only time I ever had problems is when I used a heavy tank iteron. Whatever you think is ranked enough, can always be ganked. If someone wants you dead in eve, you will die. No question about it.
So yeah, go somewhere besides Jita, or use a t1 exploration frig with great align time.
Supplying popular locations on the outskirts with various goods is always a great idea. Even wen missioning, I'll gladly pay double for ammo and semi-cheap modules in order to get what I need right then and there. I seriously doubt I am the only one. |
vccv
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Posted - 2015.01.28 05:29:12 -
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Get that hauler packed to the walls, set your destination to 4-4 and go for it! I play for the rush, and you'll get a big one the more risks you take in EVE.
"Life is brutish, nasty, and short".
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Leannor
Central Builders Incorporated Northern Associates.
70
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Posted - 2015.01.28 10:35:15 -
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easy, and it's all about how big your cargo is.
Find the smallest ship that can carry your cargo without expanders - excluding shuttles and rookie ships.
Covert ships take precedence, with cloak fitted.
Fit speedy booster like nanofibre and inertia stabs and Damage control
If the cargo is big, go for the Transport ship that has a fleet hanger (which can't be scanned) and fit for fast warp-out and a tank.
Don't afk, and be hot on your warping, don't hang around.
Don't travel at a weekend, anytime. Try midweek, and avoid peak times (ie EVE time 6pm till midnight).
Don't be afraid to split the load if it's going to fit in two covert trips instead of one hauler.
If you can have a scout going ahead, look out for concord on gate, or several small ships 'hanging around the gate' - if you see them, just log, and try again tomorrow. (Waiting an hour or two won't make a difference).
:)
The more cautious and paranoid you are, the safer you'll be.
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SHIP
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Leannor
Central Builders Incorporated Northern Associates.
70
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Posted - 2015.01.28 10:41:11 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Nariya Kentaya wrote:Kale Raleigh wrote:I have 250 mill in exploring goods and I wanted to take them to Jita to sell. I know for most of you billionaires that's not a lot :p but currently it doubles my wallet. I want to know how I can get this to high sec without dying. I don't want to have to wait until the map is completely clear of ships destroyed in the last hour. Wanna know a better way than almost anything that might be proposed to you? load up that hauling ship, and take it to amarr, prices usually within 5% of jita, and theres almost NEVER people popping random ships by station, and theres NEVER an entrance queue I think the issue is how to get it into highsec in the first place rather than how to get it to Jita. If it was just "how do I get through highsec to Jita", I'd tell them to use red-frog. As a younger player I'd even suggest they set up a well collateralised courier contract to me and I'd do a run for free.
totally misread that ... yeah ... to high sec from where though. if from 0.0, then inty is your best bet if if can carry enough ... if not ... nothing less than a scout plus a transport. Ideally a scout ahead and behind you. at anyone time, your toons should be in 2-3 systems. The one behind can lag a bit ... but the one ahead should be visibile by the hauler as he enters the system, and then the scout should jump out. Go slow, and keep a firm eye on blobs on choke systems. Only travel after 2am EVE time, and before 4pm eve time, and never during saturday or sunday or national holidays (in any country).
Then you can have a modicum of safety.
Or ... get it to a JF pilot in 0.0 and pay them to get it to lo-sec.
Once in lo sec ... you only need the advance scout, and it's more looking for gate camps (rare), not chasers.
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TOUCHING
ICONIC
SHIP
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