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Nevil Oscillator
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Posted - 2015.01.31 09:41:18 -
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Can you really make ISK out of killing Mackinaws in high sec ? |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.31 18:26:30 -
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Nevil Oscillator wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote: That gank target's worth is based on the BPC being BPO which is probably not the case. True, I was simply citing it as an instance of something other than destroyers being used. Thanks for that Ralph, it is interesting, now all we need is a kill mail from a mission runner that was ganked and it will no longer be hearsay :) Ask and ye shall receive.
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Nevil Oscillator
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Posted - 2015.01.31 19:55:19 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
A bit closer
but as stated
So our Vindicator was not some random target or clueless carebear on autopilot, he was a mark that was carefully singled out from the herd and brought to the purple gank altar.
It's an inside job |
Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY F0RCED ENTRY.
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Posted - 2015.01.31 20:55:30 -
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Nevil Oscillator wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote: A bit closer but as stated So our Vindicator was not some random target or clueless carebear on autopilot, he was a mark that was carefully singled out from the herd and brought to the purple gank altar. It's an inside job Not necessarily. People frequently post their fits in incursion channels when they want to join an incursion fleet. |
Solonius Rex
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Posted - 2015.01.31 20:56:24 -
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Nevil Oscillator wrote:Can you really make ISK out of killing Mackinaws in high sec ?
If I had a Mackinaw because you could claim the bounty that Rain put on me but if it wasn't for the forum I wouldn't have a bounty on me so I can't really include that in the equation for other people.
You dont kill a mackinaw because it nets you money, you kill a mackinaw because it gives you a good looking killboard.
That, and the tears. |
Keno Skir
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Posted - 2015.02.01 00:19:27 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:without bastion mode it is possible to solo gank a kronos.
Solo.. gank... a Kronos?
What are you flyin for this gank bud?
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Nevil Oscillator
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Posted - 2015.02.01 01:57:25 -
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Solonius Rex wrote:Nevil Oscillator wrote:
It's an inside job
Not necessarily. People frequently post their fits in incursion channels when they want to join an incursion fleet.
Yes that is possible but I am suspicious of the timing of the gankers arrival 93% of the damage was done by NPC. This raises a few questions as to the circumstances some of which can be calculated. |
Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
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Posted - 2015.02.01 08:15:21 -
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Nevil Oscillator wrote:Solonius Rex wrote:Nevil Oscillator wrote:
It's an inside job
Not necessarily. People frequently post their fits in incursion channels when they want to join an incursion fleet. Yes that is possible but I am suspicious of the timing of the gankers arrival 93% of the damage was done by NPC. This raises a few questions as to the circumstances some of which can be calculated.
That doesn't mean the target was low on HP as the gank happened. All it means that the target had been attacked by NPC for a while BEFORE the gank happened. In situations like that the damage done numbers are pretty useless.
If you tank a 100 dps npc for half an hour and then someone comes along and kills your full HP ship then the kill mail will also count that 100*60*30 damage from the NPC on the kill mail. Making the percentage done by the player very low, while he did in fact kill your ship from full HP.
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J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2015.02.01 09:09:28 -
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Nevil Oscillator wrote:Solonius Rex wrote:Nevil Oscillator wrote:
It's an inside job
Not necessarily. People frequently post their fits in incursion channels when they want to join an incursion fleet. Yes that is possible but I am suspicious of the timing of the gankers arrival 93% of the damage was done by NPC. This raises a few questions as to the circumstances some of which can be calculated.
Obviously you never heard or know how killmails and damage application works.
He likely had reps on him remotely, so that's why damage from sansha is that high.
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Nevil Oscillator
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Posted - 2015.02.01 10:19:13 -
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J'Poll wrote:
Obviously you never heard or know how killmails and damage application works.
He likely had reps on him remotely, so that's why damage from sansha is that high.
I don't know anything, it's not my example, you explain to me exactly what happened to its 200k EHP ? |
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.02.01 10:46:36 -
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Nevil Oscillator wrote:J'Poll wrote:
Obviously you never heard or know how killmails and damage application works.
He likely had reps on him remotely, so that's why damage from sansha is that high.
I don't know anything, it's not my example, you explain to me exactly what happened to its 200k EHP ? 7 tornado's happened, they had enough time to get a second volly off as it was a .6 system
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Nevil Oscillator
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Posted - 2015.02.01 10:51:06 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote: 7 tornado's happened, they had enough time to get a second volly off as it was a .6 system
Ii only count 25k damage, that ship was a shield tanker already into armour |
Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
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Posted - 2015.02.01 11:08:27 -
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Nevil Oscillator wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote: 7 tornado's happened, they had enough time to get a second volly off as it was a .6 system
Ii only count 25k damage, that ship was a shield tanker already into armour
Don't believe kill mail damage done. A max skilled gank Tornado can, if you commit to it like you probably would with targets like these, do 12k volley damage. 7 ships will thus do ~80k EHP per volley, as explained there was time to do 2 volleys = 160k damage.
A quick check on that killmail's fit shows that total EHP versus EMP or PP is roughly 105k EHP so that was massive overkill, not even requiring fantastic skills on the ganker's part. |
Nevil Oscillator
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Posted - 2015.02.01 11:11:49 -
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The ship has taken 500k damage yet there is no rep module which means some mysterious 3rd party was providing reps. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.02.01 11:17:42 -
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Nevil Oscillator wrote:The ship has taken 500k damage yet there is no rep module which means some mysterious 3rd party was providing reps. now your just being obtuse nevil, its clearly an incursion runner
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Nevil Oscillator
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Posted - 2015.02.01 11:20:58 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Nevil Oscillator wrote:The ship has taken 500k damage yet there is no rep module which means some mysterious 3rd party was providing reps. now your just being obtuse nevil, its clearly an incursion runner
And that affects my observation in what way ? |
J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2015.02.01 11:34:39 -
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Nevil Oscillator wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Nevil Oscillator wrote:The ship has taken 500k damage yet there is no rep module which means some mysterious 3rd party was providing reps. now your just being obtuse nevil, its clearly an incursion runner And that affects my observation in what way ?
*cough* Logistics Cruisers....
You do know there is something called REMOTE repair modules?
You do know they don't show up on killmails (as they don't negatively affect a ship)?
I guess, both are answered with a no.
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Nevil Oscillator
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Posted - 2015.02.01 11:40:50 -
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J'Poll wrote:
*cough* Logistics Cruisers....
You do know there is something called REMOTE repair modules?
You do know they don't show up on killmails (as they don't negatively affect a ship)?
I guess, both are answered with a no.
You are following this conversation as to who said that there might be logi cruisers involved ?
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Cannibal Kane
Blood Raiders Elite
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Posted - 2015.02.01 12:08:04 -
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Nevil Oscillator wrote:J'Poll wrote:
*cough* Logistics Cruisers....
You do know there is something called REMOTE repair modules?
You do know they don't show up on killmails (as they don't negatively affect a ship)?
I guess, both are answered with a no.
You are following this conversation as to who said that there might be logi cruisers involved ? And the fact I have just suggested that the logi pilot has set the ambush up.
Seriously Nevil,
What is wrong with you.
Look at the ship with the most damage. That is a sasha nation ship, the OP is flying a blinged out Shield Vindicator which is used by many incursion bears.
These missions have multiple people in them, providing logistical support since the ship on it's own fitted like that will never survive an incursion without somebody repairing him. Which is why it shows the sansha ship did over 500k damage.
A NPC aggression timer is also 15 minutes so he could have been ganked shortly after finishing that incursion which why it shows that much damage. If he docked and unlocked 16 minutes later that Sansha ship and 500k done would not have shown in the killmail.
Your argument that the Logi pilot set it up is also very plausible, however there will be multiple logi pilots involved during an incursion. So I doubt all of them are involved.
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Nevil Oscillator
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Posted - 2015.02.01 12:11:31 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:
Seriously Nevil,
What is wrong with you.
It was Miss Dread Pirate Scarlett in the conservatory with the lead pipe. |
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Nevil Oscillator
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Posted - 2015.02.01 13:36:35 -
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Cannibal Kane wrote:
A NPC aggression timer is also 15 minutes so he could have been ganked shortly after finishing that incursion which why it shows that much damage. If he docked and unlocked 16 minutes later that Sansha ship and 500k done would not have shown in the killmail.
Your argument that the Logi pilot set it up is also very plausible, however there will be multiple logi pilots involved during an incursion. So I doubt all of them are involved.
I think it lists all damage from NPC as a single ship.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.02.01 13:43:32 -
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Nevil Oscillator wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:
A NPC aggression timer is also 15 minutes so he could have been ganked shortly after finishing that incursion which why it shows that much damage. If he docked and unlocked 16 minutes later that Sansha ship and 500k done would not have shown in the killmail.
Your argument that the Logi pilot set it up is also very plausible, however there will be multiple logi pilots involved during an incursion. So I doubt all of them are involved.
I think it lists all damage from NPC as a single ship. correct when flipping bears the the mission npc's all show as a single entry on the kill mail with a % even if the bear repped his shield up to full before engaging me
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Nevil Oscillator
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Posted - 2015.02.01 13:56:47 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote: when flipping bears the the mission npc's all show as a single entry on the kill mail with a % even if the bear repped his shield up to full before engaging me
So there is a fair chance that Vindicator had already been fighting for an hour before the gankers turned up. The author of your link does have a few theories including that the gankers sold the vindicator the mods in the first place .. lol |
Nevil Oscillator
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Posted - 2015.02.01 14:19:51 -
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But personally I think 8 Tornadoes don't turn up for a suicide mission without a few assurances regarding the ability of their target to withstand their attack. |
J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2015.02.01 14:40:33 -
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Nevil Oscillator wrote: But personally I think 8 Tornadoes don't turn up for a suicide mission without a few assurances regarding the ability of their target to withstand their attack.
Uhm
No reps will safe you against alpha kills.
Ship scan + math is garuanteed kill.
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Nevil Oscillator
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Posted - 2015.02.01 15:07:09 -
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J'Poll wrote:
Uhm
No reps will safe you against alpha kills.
Ship scan + math is garuanteed kill.
Lot of Explosive damage on a max tornado alpha
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Nevil Oscillator
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Posted - 2015.02.01 15:15:16 -
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2 Purple Adaptives and a a DC2 |
J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2015.02.01 15:20:27 -
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Simple calculation:
Calculate amount of EHP of target
Calculate amount of Alpha damage a tornado
ROUNDUP(EHP Target / Alpha damage tornado) = needed tornados
Now, all you ahve to do, coordinate the attack itself.
p.s. NO module or friend in logi will help you against alpha ganks.
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Nevil Oscillator
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Posted - 2015.02.01 15:25:06 -
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J'Poll wrote:Simple calculation:
Calculate amount of EHP of target
Calculate amount of Alpha damage a tornado
ROUNDUP(EHP Target / Alpha damage tornado) = needed tornados
Now, all you ahve to do, coordinate the attack itself.
p.s. NO module or friend in logi will help you against alpha ganks.
Yeah if weapons did maximum damage to any target except buildings |
J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2015.02.01 15:31:07 -
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Nevil Oscillator wrote:J'Poll wrote:Simple calculation:
Calculate amount of EHP of target
Calculate amount of Alpha damage a tornado
ROUNDUP(EHP Target / Alpha damage tornado) = needed tornados
Now, all you ahve to do, coordinate the attack itself.
p.s. NO module or friend in logi will help you against alpha ganks. Yeah if weapons did maximum damage to any target except buildings
Uhm, if you know how to use your ship, they still do.
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