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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2015.01.27 23:03:54 -
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FoxFire Ayderan wrote:FoxFire Ayderan wrote: See if you can identify where this thread went off the rails and who caused it to do so. I'll give you a hint.... it wasn't anything you had posted (that is until you just now decided to lock arms with these apparent brothers-in-arms of yours).
As usual there is a cadre of entirely unhelpful unproductive trolling respondents. Nevertheless this idea is for CCP's eyes. If there is a way to privately send ideas to CCP devs I'd love to have that information. Given the sort of environment that is permitted to exist in the F&I forums here, this would be preferable. Still I appreciate the opportunity to explain the reasoning behind why the wording of the tool tip is potentially confusing. And even why someone who's already aware of the mechanic my not find it confusing or even comprehend why it would be confusing to someone else who isn't overly familiar with these things. The alternatives I proposed are clearer and more straight forward. I'm partial to " Larger values allow you to lock onto a target faster."
this this right here is where the thread was derailed up to this post people were talking about weather or not the change was needed after it the thread went to talking about ISDs and trolling
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FoxFire Ayderan
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Posted - 2015.01.27 23:57:38 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:this this right here is where the thread was derailed up to this post people were talking about weather or not the change was needed after it the thread went to talking about ISDs and trolling FoxFire Ayderan wrote: As usual there is a cadre of entirely unhelpful unproductive trolling respondents.
Nevertheless this idea is for CCP's eyes. If there is a way to privately send ideas to CCP devs I'd love to have that information. Given the sort of environment that is permitted to exist in the F&I forums here, this would be preferable.
Still I appreciate the opportunity to explain the reasoning behind why the wording of the tool tip is potentially confusing. And even why someone who's already aware of the mechanic my not find it confusing or even comprehend why it would be confusing to someone else who isn't overly familiar with these things.
The alternatives I proposed are clearer and more straight forward. I'm partial to " Larger values allow you to lock onto a target faster."
You are quite mistaken if that's the post you've identified.
Is it your contention that pointing out trolling is what the problem is, not the trolling itself?
Pointing out one's dissatisfaction with the level of trolling that goes on in these forums is where a thread is derailed rather than the trolls who conveniently couch their trolling as some sort of legitimate response to a poster?
Yes one ought not feed the trolls (which I suppose ANY response to might be considered), however this is what trolls do. That's why it's called trolling. And you are victim blaming. You wouldn't be one to say "she shouldn't have been wearing that if she didn't want to be ****ed", would you ?
But then I think it's possible that you may not actually know what trolling is.
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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
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Posted - 2015.01.28 00:05:01 -
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FoxFire Ayderan wrote: And you are victim blaming. You wouldn't be one to say "she shouldn't have been wearing that if she didn't want to be ****ed", would you ?
I stand in awe of the comparisons you are willing to make and the fact that you think they're good comparisons in the first place. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.28 00:52:35 -
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FoxFire Ayderan wrote: You wouldn't be one to say "she shouldn't have been wearing that if she didn't want to be ****ed", would you ?
What in the name of the seven hells dose this sentence have to do with internet spaceships?!
please stop.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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FoxFire Ayderan
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Posted - 2015.01.28 01:04:22 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote: What in the name of the seven hells dose this sentence have to do with internet spaceships?!
please stop.
Seven hells, eh? Suddenly everyone is an delicate little flower angel who is easily offended. Well at least we now know where the line is drawn on victim blaming. Now is it only up until that point, or can we draw it back a little further?
In any case, I can't imagine why the word 'kiss' got filtered in that particular post. |
FoxFire Ayderan
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Posted - 2015.01.28 01:06:56 -
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2 million ISK !?
Is that the best you could do Strawberry?
I'm a little insulted.
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Zimmer Jones
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.28 01:26:19 -
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So now you're a victim, and making nonsense posts. You are trolling your own thread.
You have also shrunk the scope of your "improvements" to just being semantics. Are you so desperate for attention?
For the topic at hand, words have precise meanings, and the description fits and is accurate for a short tip. It is not ambiguous in the slightest, and any misinterpretation is on a personal reading comprehension level. There is an Evelopedia, we don't need a Dictionar-eve. |
FoxFire Ayderan
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Posted - 2015.01.28 01:29:51 -
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Ah Zimmer!!
Very clever.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2015.01.28 01:36:44 -
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FoxFire Ayderan wrote:Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:this this right here is where the thread was derailed up to this post people were talking about weather or not the change was needed after it the thread went to talking about ISDs and trolling FoxFire Ayderan wrote: As usual there is a cadre of entirely unhelpful unproductive trolling respondents.
Nevertheless this idea is for CCP's eyes. If there is a way to privately send ideas to CCP devs I'd love to have that information. Given the sort of environment that is permitted to exist in the F&I forums here, this would be preferable.
Still I appreciate the opportunity to explain the reasoning behind why the wording of the tool tip is potentially confusing. And even why someone who's already aware of the mechanic my not find it confusing or even comprehend why it would be confusing to someone else who isn't overly familiar with these things.
The alternatives I proposed are clearer and more straight forward. I'm partial to " Larger values allow you to lock onto a target faster."
You are quite mistaken if that's the post you've identified. Is it your contention that pointing out trolling is what the problem is, not the trolling itself? Pointing out one's dissatisfaction with the level of trolling that goes on in these forums is where a thread is derailed rather than the trolls who conveniently couch their trolling as some sort of legitimate response to a poster? Yes one ought not feed the trolls (which I suppose ANY response to might be considered), however this is what trolls do. That's why it's called trolling. And you are victim blaming. You wouldn't be one to say " she shouldn't have been wearing that if she didn't want to be ****ed", would you ? But then I think it's possible that you may not actually know what trolling is.
Okay can you point it out to me... where the thread was derailed
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FoxFire Ayderan
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Posted - 2015.01.28 02:30:58 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:
Okay can you point it out to me... where the thread was derailed
Well... other than the fact that this is hardly a controversial suggestion and ought not even warrant a single reply in the first place, other than whether one agrees or disagrees that the proposed wording is more clear than the existing wording. It's not even as though this would concern someone with taking time from their desires. Again, I didn't post this to be a debate on something this trivial, but as there is no other way to deliver suggestions to CCP, here we are.
I'm not exactly a stupid person. In fact quite the opposite. And I found the wording to be somewhat confusing, which makes me suspect that there are others who might as well. I see no harm in making the wording more clear. Unless as part of your "Meta" game, you are hoping that someone will misinterpret what it says and mistakenly do something which provides you with an advantage.
In any case, the post you are looking for is the one that has no constructive value other than to mock the very notion that the current phrasing could be confusing and proceeds to suggest that anyone who thinks otherwise (which at this point clearly includes me as I stated as much) has sub-optimal intelligence. It was all down-hill from there with a few others deciding it was a good time to jump on the bandwagon of insults toward anyone who would find the tool tip confusing.
Now your posts were perfectly reasonable as you sought to better understand why I think it's confusing or a problem. To which Nevyn Auscent and myself provided an explanation. By-the-way, he responded while I was typing my response and he identified the very issue where the confusion can be in the existing wording. So that makes at least two people, one who was in fact initially confused by it, and one who may not have been but grasped exactly how it could be confusing.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2015.01.28 03:58:54 -
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no no i asked you as you asked me to find the post that derailed it.
up until the post i quoted everyone was talking about if this wording required a change or not
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FoxFire Ayderan
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Posted - 2015.01.28 04:42:22 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:no no i asked you as you asked me to find the post that derailed it.
up until the post i quoted everyone was talking about if this wording required a change or not
Meh. I'm done with this. I think I got my idea across.
Perhaps we will see this tool tip change to be phrased more clearly.
At which point I suppose some here can eat crow, or perhaps rage-quit over how CCP keeps dumbing down the game.
Perhaps they could go in the other direction and make the tool tips really cryptic, or even have players solve a random math equation before they can see the tool-tip they're interested in. At which point I'll have to eat some crow, and congratulate those who wanted CCP to 'smarten up' the game.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2015.01.28 05:03:09 -
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Or ccp will just trust that people understand that things that increase in speed get things done faster
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