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Serena Pheonix
Just South of Heaven
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Posted - 2015.01.27 06:11:48 -
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I have a few friends wanting to jump wormholes with me. Pvemostlly, I'm currently working into t2 cruisers but after that I thought it be worth getting a command ship for warfare links to help ou. I know thyroid have a large training time so I figured I would ask of they are worth training for, for the purpose I am asking about. We will pvp as well |
Futt Isimazu
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.01.27 06:25:23 -
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Yes. |
Gosti Kahanid
GANOR Deep Space Explorers GANOR INC.
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Posted - 2015.01.27 08:02:34 -
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If you want to fly with them while boosting, I would recommend you the EOS (when using Armor). While every Commandship can boost and Fight at the same time, as a DroneBoat the Eos is the most versile and can still fit a decent tank with full boost and DPS |
Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
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Posted - 2015.01.27 08:10:23 -
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you cant fit an eos with full boost and dps. Command processors take up far too much cpu.
As the cardinal rule in eve states: fit for ONE purpose or you end up being crap at all the things you try and multitask for instead of excellent at one. |
Serena Pheonix
Just South of Heaven
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Posted - 2015.01.27 11:10:46 -
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So the Eos would be a better to fit my needs. Or should I carry a mobile depot for quick refits? |
Trey Kutoi
The Great Harmon Institute Of Technology Spaceship Samurai
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Posted - 2015.01.27 13:58:15 -
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Serena Pheonix wrote:So the Eos would be a better to fit my needs. Or should I carry a mobile depot for quick refits? command ships do two things well, and usually only one at a time: provide boosts (usually off grid) or tank like crazy.
I've seen battle slephnir before, but most of the time, they're rigged and fitted to provide as much benefit to the people actually fighting. not sure how well it transfers to the Eos, but its likely another case of "full rack of boosts > another battlecruiser sized target on grid" |
elitatwo
Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team
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Posted - 2015.01.27 15:20:37 -
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Serena Pheonix wrote:So the Eos would be a better to fit my needs. Or should I carry a mobile depot for quick refits?
While a mobile depot is always a good idea, the Eos as unique drone command ship is the only one of the eight we have that doesn't need to gimp the combat abilities for the three links it is designed to bring.
Since she has no turret bonus, you can fit to kite or brawl and still have three links running for your buddies and take some punishment.
That being said, make sure that Sleepless Upholders don't start to look funny at you or you will be disappointed very quickly
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.27 15:33:25 -
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Absolutely, I have an alt training into command ships as we speak, while training for one you can use that races t3 for the same purpose. with the additional benefits of being able to fit them for cloaking,probing and interdiction nullification Making them about the most useful thing to have an alt in and almost impossible to lose (essentially you have to do something really really silly to get it caught)
The t3 option is excellent for roaming with provided the fleet comp is cruisers and above.
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Brylan Grey
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
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Posted - 2015.01.28 05:48:36 -
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It all depends on what you are doing with it.
Overall, I would say it is definitely a great tool to use if you are very active in eve, want to really enhance a group of players, erc.
But if you casual eve and have one character, and solo... No. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.28 12:52:12 -
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Brylan Grey wrote:It all depends on what you are doing with it.
Overall, I would say it is definitely a great tool to use if you are very active in eve, want to really enhance a group of players, erc.
But if you casual eve and have one character, and solo... No. Actually they make for exemplary solo ships. If you forego any boosts and just fit them for combat they're monstrous in the right hands. iv seen videos of solo command ships eating small gangs without much effort.
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KnightMaire kings
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2015.01.28 20:09:42 -
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[combat, Eos] Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Armor Explosive Hardener II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I Phased Muon ECCM Caster I Phased Muon ECCM Caster I F-23 Reciprocal Remote Sensor Booster, Targeting Range Script
Skirmish Warfare Link - Interdiction Maneuvers II Skirmish Warfare Link - Evasive Maneuvers II Armored Warfare Link - Rapid Repair II Small Tractor Beam II Salvager II Automated Targeting Unit I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Ogre II x5 Bouncer II x5
Thare is a muti role eos that is good if other bosts are not useable
The only major drawback is the crazed notion that the inventory would look so much better if merely rearranged ONE MORE TIME.
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Kaldi Tsukaya
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
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Posted - 2015.01.29 00:47:11 -
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If you are boosting, definitely do an implant setup that best complements your needs and abilities. It's not going to be cheap, but it will really make a substantial difference. |
Serena Pheonix
Just South of Heaven
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Posted - 2015.01.29 13:55:52 -
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I'm really thankful for the tips and advice. After I get the t3s I want I'm going experiement with using warfare links and then train for command ships. Probably the Eos and sleipnr |
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
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Posted - 2015.01.29 15:39:27 -
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Boosting is best done with an alt offgrid.
Not today spaghetti.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.01.29 15:45:40 -
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Serena Pheonix wrote:I'm really thankful for the tips and advice. After I get the t3s I want I'm going experiement with using warfare links and then train for command ships. Probably the Eos and sleipnr worth looking at the t1 battle cruisers , myrm, prophecy ect,ect... they can use links , nowhere nearly as effectively but hell, crappy t1 links on a crappie t1 ship are still better than none
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Agent Unknown
Night Theifs DamnedNation
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Posted - 2015.01.29 15:59:49 -
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Command Ships are very good...and can be fit for combat for smaller gang PvP or boost for basically anything. Here's a fit that can be adapted to any command ship of your choosing ...it's not practical for anything else and needs protection (like orbiting a POS or in a safe aligned), but:
[Sleipnir, Off-grid booster] Co-Processor II Co-Processor II Co-Processor II Co-Processor II Co-Processor II
Command Processor I Command Processor I Command Processor I Command Processor I 10MN Microwarpdrive II
Skirmish Warfare Link - Interdiction Maneuvers II Siege Warfare Link - Shield Harmonizing II Siege Warfare Link - Active Shielding II Skirmish Warfare Link - Rapid Deployment II Siege Warfare Link - Shield Efficiency II Information Warfare Link - Sensor Integrity II Information Warfare Link - Electronic Superiority II
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit II Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
It's decent for fleets that don't move around (such as ops or standing fleets in home systems). Links can be swapped to taste, and a Mindlink improves it further. |
Voyager Arran
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.29 19:18:48 -
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Command ships are definitely worth flying if you have the skills to use them, but unless you want leadership skills for their own sake it's not really worth wading through that many months of Cha skills for those hulls. |
Serena Pheonix
Just South of Heaven
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Posted - 2015.01.29 19:41:38 -
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I can onlyuse one toon at a time due to a weak computer and crappy internet AND funds. Since I only care about cruisers and the skills I will be okay getting leadership skills and whatnot ready for my small group |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
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Posted - 2015.01.30 01:44:40 -
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Voyager Arran wrote:Command ships are definitely worth flying if you have the skills to use them, but unless you want leadership skills for their own sake it's not really worth wading through that many months of Cha skills for those hulls. It's not months of cha skills to get into command ships. It's only months to be able to do boosts to max, and then a couple more months for fleets to max. But to actually start boosting is vastly easier.
Also, in a Wormhole consider T3's for boosting rather than command ships also. Difference is very little. |
KnightMaire kings
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2015.01.30 02:48:47 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Voyager Arran wrote:Command ships are definitely worth flying if you have the skills to use them, but unless you want leadership skills for their own sake it's not really worth wading through that many months of Cha skills for those hulls. It's not months of cha skills to get into command ships. It's only months to be able to do boosts to max, and then a couple more months for fleets to max. But to actually start boosting is vastly easier. Also, in a Wormhole consider T3's for boosting rather than command ships also. Difference is very little. tec 3s kill all tank and dps to run links
The only major drawback is the crazed notion that the inventory would look so much better if merely rearranged ONE MORE TIME.
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Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
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Posted - 2015.01.30 16:24:32 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:you cant fit an eos with full boost and dps. Command processors take up far too much cpu.
As the cardinal rule in eve states: fit for ONE purpose or you end up being crap at all the things you try and multitask for instead of excellent at one.
Yes you can, a three-link Eos has a strong tank and drone dps.
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Kaldi Tsukaya
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
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Posted - 2015.01.30 17:02:10 -
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Aiyshimin wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:you cant fit an eos with full boost and dps. Command processors take up far too much cpu.
As the cardinal rule in eve states: fit for ONE purpose or you end up being crap at all the things you try and multitask for instead of excellent at one. Yes you can, a three-link Eos has a strong tank and drone dps.
Agreed. BC command ships are designed to use 3 links and function as on-grid boosters. |
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
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Posted - 2015.01.30 17:02:54 -
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Aiyshimin wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:you cant fit an eos with full boost and dps. Command processors take up far too much cpu.
As the cardinal rule in eve states: fit for ONE purpose or you end up being crap at all the things you try and multitask for instead of excellent at one. Yes you can, a three-link Eos has a strong tank and drone dps. I think that there is a discrepancy in what "full boost" means to some folks. Some take it as 3 links (the full amount the hull can run natively), some take it as filling all available high slots with boost modules. It's almost impossible to do the latter and still maintain any good tank and/or combat ability due to the Command Processors necessary and CPU limits. A 3-Boost Eos, on the other hand, can tank rather nicely and do good drone DPS.
Hope this helps.
My Many Misadventures
Reading Comprehension: so important it deserves it's own skillbook.
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Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
934
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Posted - 2015.01.30 17:24:46 -
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Aiyshimin wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:you cant fit an eos with full boost and dps. Command processors take up far too much cpu.
As the cardinal rule in eve states: fit for ONE purpose or you end up being crap at all the things you try and multitask for instead of excellent at one. Yes you can, a three-link Eos has a strong tank and drone dps.
that's not full boosting then is it... |
Kaldi Tsukaya
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
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Posted - 2015.01.30 17:38:13 -
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Serena Pheonix wrote:I'm really thankful for the tips and advice. After I get the t3s I want I'm going experiement with using warfare links and then train for command ships. Probably the Eos and sleipnr
Are you going to be on-grid and engaging with your group? Or off-grid and trying to stay safe?
This will dictate how you should fit your ship, more than anything else.
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Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
366
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Posted - 2015.01.31 12:28:31 -
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Whether Command Ships are worth the train is a question only you can answer IMHO.
If your object is to have fun with friends then you do not want full boost (7 links) or nearly full boost (circa 5 links) because your job is then to sit at a POS or a safespot and try to avoid being found/dying... This is an extremely boring task except when it isn't and therefore one most people who want the benefit will assign to an alt they can AFK.
If you fit a command ship for combat boosting (3 links or fewer) then you can have fun; they are solid ships - all of them will contribute a very solid tank and not an unreasonable amount of damage to the field. Which one you choose to use depends on your needs - predominantly the type of tank your gang will be flying but not always.
If what you're looking for is a poundy combat ship then you're probably better off looking for smaller sigs higher speeds and more pointed designs as found in the Strats and some of the HACs (though Minmatar don't end up doing too well in that regard the Vaga being focussed in another direction, the Munnin being... The Munnin and the Loki often having to compromise what would be its optimal fits to fit its tank with the rest). |
Lloyd Roses
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Posted - 2015.01.31 17:40:31 -
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Had some good fun with this https://zkillboard.com/kill/34720598/ . Cloak, because I spent a lot of time waiting with this toon, and because the login-warp usually was no option.
Links, a bit of tackle and general meatshield. People love you for your links, and mindlinks were already 30mil at that time.
I GÖÑ Sleipnir
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Aivo Dresden
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.03 10:47:15 -
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I've flown a 3boost Eos in WHs. It compliments the fleet well. My setup is pretty similar to the one posted earlier in this thread. You do decent drone damage, you can fit a solid tank and running 3 skirmish boosts is still pretty beneficial.
Training for Command ships doesn't take that long. What takes very long is the 16m SP in Leaderships, should you decide to max out all the skills in there. Whether or not it is worth it, is up to you. It's a lot of training so you need to be sure you'll be using it. |
Lloyd Roses
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Posted - 2015.02.03 11:40:02 -
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Aivo Dresden wrote:I've flown a 3boost Eos in WHs. It compliments the fleet well. My setup is pretty similar to the one posted earlier in this thread. You do decent drone damage, you can fit a solid tank and running 3 skirmish boosts is still pretty beneficial.
Training for Command ships doesn't take that long. What takes very long is the 16m SP in Leaderships, should you decide to max out all the skills in there. Whether or not it is worth it, is up to you. It's a lot of training so you need to be sure you'll be using it.
Pretty sure that with ~9mil (WC4, rest V, no fleet) is sufficient for about any situation outside of linking a strategic fleet.
I GÖÑ Sleipnir
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Phig Neutron
Rubicon Cubism
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Posted - 2015.02.04 19:52:52 -
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For each of the four types of links, it takes about a week to get into the T1 module (e.g., Armored Warfare V + Armored Warfare Specialist I) but can take almost a month to get from there into the T2 module which would need e.g. Armored Warfare Specialist V. So that's at least two months to train the two specializations that any given command ship is bonused for, or four months to train all the specializations.
In my plan, it's about a month each for : Warfare Link Specialist V, Wing Command V, and Command Ships V. None are necessary but all are valuable, and if you have them you'll generally be welcome in any fleet. So total for me to be a "perfect" command ship pilot is a little more than half a year.
You also need battlecruiser V and the support skills to make it happen, naturally... |
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