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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp Vae. Victis.
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Posted - 2015.02.04 18:43:11 -
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Khan Wrenth wrote:Rawketsled wrote:Originally, the Merlin had Hybrid AND missiles. The Hawk/Harpy AF progression was just specialisation into one or the other. They diverged when they progressed from T1 to T2.
Then along came the T1 frigate re-work and the Merlin became hybrid-only.
I won't comment about the Incursus as I was only new to Eve and didn't fly Gallente at the time.
In summary: the AF models are right, and it's perfectly conceivable that they're going to stay that way. There's honestly no need to be shocked. Ah, see, that's interesting. I suppose being a predominantly missile race, the Caldari Merlin also having missiles in years past makes sense. See, I knew there had to be a story behind this. Perhaps a similar situation came about from the Incursus. However, I disagree on your use of present-tense "AF models are right", as right now they are incorrect. It's just that they were originally correct but never updated whenever that change/update happened. It may be conceivable that they might stay that way, but I would certainly hope not since continuing to do something wrong just because "effort" does not invoke confidence. I'm not saying that correcting the AF models should even be a high priority. But they do have an art team that decided something had to be done with the Blackbird model, and they're spoken of as an independent entity from the development/balancing teams, so eventually correcting the AF models issue shouldn't interfere with the game. Just a, "Oh hey, we've got three ship models in the queue for re-doing, then we'll correct these AF's, then we've got other models/update things/etc", would be nice. Lastly, I remember seeing a badass redesign of the Dominix some time ago. I can't wait to see the finished product eventually hit TQ.
I think this will likely be taken care of when all of the T2 versions of ships get their own distinct hulls. The only question is which T1 hull it will resemble more.
Also keep in mind that in a situation where (for example) the Incursus got it's face lift over all 3 hulls in the line, that was really only a final change to the base hull. The T2 hulls based on it's design will still receive distinctive hulls.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.04 19:32:53 -
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what Dominix redesign?
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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
230
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Posted - 2015.02.04 19:39:48 -
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I have a great idea. How about we get the Dominix model updated? Given that we were shown it almost a YEAR ago, and have heard nothing since, apart from CSM Mike bringing it up.. But no actual answer as to if/when to expect the change. Why bother showing us a new mockup if there are no plans to do anything?
In the same vein, why bother adding in the new Skins to Ships updates ago, then never seed them? The Kronos comes to mind. What's the point in making them all if you never get to use them.. I mean it was one (HIGHLY Annoying) thing when you did it with clothes, but now with ships/skins that can be seen in game but never are available?
Honestly I'm all for updating the ships.. They all can use a tweak here and there.. Some should just be redesigned from the ground up *cough Osprey cough* others just could use an update to the model to give them the detail the new ships have *cough Thorax cough*. But if you're gonna do it, start with the ones you've already shown/talked about, then setup a progression for what ships are getting looked at when so people can have their feedback. I mean I, for one, like the Chimera.. updated model might be nice, but no need to any drastic changes. Likewise, last year I saw the Domi design, same time as we saw the new Moa and Mordu's designs.. It got my hopes up, as it was damn nice.. Then nothing. We ask and ask, even CSM Mike asked during the minutes, and no answers, explanations, eta's. |
Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
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Posted - 2015.02.04 20:42:23 -
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Khan Wrenth wrote:Ah, see, that's interesting. I suppose being a predominantly missile race, the Caldari Merlin also having missiles in years past makes sense. See, I knew there had to be a story behind this. Perhaps a similar situation came about from the Incursus.
However, I disagree on your use of present-tense "AF models are right", as right now they are incorrect. It's just that they were originally correct but never updated whenever that change/update happened. It may be conceivable that they might stay that way, but I would certainly hope not since continuing to do something wrong just because "effort" does not invoke confidence.
I'm not saying that correcting the AF models should even be a high priority. But they do have an art team that decided something had to be done with the Blackbird model, and they're spoken of as an independent entity from the development/balancing teams, so eventually correcting the AF models issue shouldn't interfere with the game. Just a, "Oh hey, we've got three ship models in the queue for re-doing, then we'll correct these AF's, then we've got other models/update things/etc", would be nice. You'd be right about AF models being wrong now, but that line of reasoning looks a bit shakey when looking at the Onyx and the Sacrilege.
Moa-Onyx progression is hybrids to missiles.
Maller-Sacrilege progression is lasers to missiles.
I could be mistaken, but neither of those T1 hulls had missile racks that weren't utility slots.
There's also the Executioner-Malediction and Punisher-Vengeance progressions to consider too. All these Amarr ones are from Khanid, who are the missile Amarrians. I think it's best to stop looking at the hull, and start looking at the manufacturer. It makes more sense that way. |
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.04 23:07:45 -
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Rawketsled wrote:I think it's best to stop looking at the hull, and start looking at the manufacturer. It makes more sense that way. Indeed. Also, the T2 Kestrel already exists, it's the sexist ship in Eve, the Manticore.
But I will like it when progressions are all like that. I mean you look at the Manticore, you see it's inspired by the Kestrel, but it's truely unique. Not just a new paint job. Even the Moa --> Onyx/Eagle.. Similar, but still different. Also, on a side note, CCP, PLEASE give the Gila the engines off the Onyx.. Seeing as how they are both missile boats, and how sexy those engines are :D |
Meloni HELL
Unholy Knights of Cthulhu Test Alliance Please Ignore
28
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Posted - 2015.02.04 23:57:00 -
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I'll be happy with things, so long as Minmitar ships retain the Fin/sails. They are important lorewise (Ladar system uses them for science and engineering things).
Maybe base the rupture on something other than a Nailgun?
Great job on the exeq/oneiros hull btw - Looks fantastic! I love the smooth almost organic surfaces on it. Although - the oneiros doesn't have the armour repair amps from the picture http://cdn1.eveonline.com/www/newssystem/media/66780/1/ExequrorHullRedesign.jpg |
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers Get Off My Lawn
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Posted - 2015.02.05 01:13:48 -
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Oh, gods, please don't change my Ferox, too much....
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Tyranis Marcus
Bloody Heathens
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Posted - 2015.02.05 04:19:50 -
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ISD LackOfFaith wrote:CCP Darwin wrote:Dominique Vasilkovsky wrote:Good, can't wait to have the Sleipnir back in the Cyclone hull. It is just looking rubbish and wrong in the Hurricane hull. Sorry, but this won't be changing back. I liked the version based on the Cyclone hull too, but the idea is that ships with the same hull have similar weapon bonuses. Tristan-hulled Ishkur confirmed! Hype intensifies!Just kidding. Maybe. (I wish...)
Oh god no!
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Soldarius
Kosher Nostra The 99 Percent
1076
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Posted - 2015.02.05 20:26:55 -
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Phoenix needs giant wings with giant launchers that spew tongues of burning fire across space to engulf the State's enemies; incinerating them in an inferno of flaming death!
http://youtu.be/XchwE9zVdnw
Yeah. And um.... more fire.
http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Jovian Labs Jovian Enterprises
17015
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Posted - 2015.02.05 23:30:00 -
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Sniper Smith wrote:Also, on a side note, CCP, PLEASE give the Gila the engines off the Onyx.. Seeing as how they are both missile boats, and how sexy those engines are :D I never realized how much I wanted this-
Pirate ships would do well to be at least slightly different, hull-wise, from empire counterparts if they have one. I would love to see the Gila get those engines
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A City made of Stone is built in the mountains
But a City made of Dreams...is built in heaven.
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Khan Wrenth
Hedion University Amarr Empire
102
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Posted - 2015.02.06 04:37:08 -
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Rain6637 wrote:what Dominix redesign?
By massive coincidence, someone just re-posted the link over in Ships & Modules, making the process of finding said link extremely easy.
http://www.evemanufacturing.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/dominix-fanfest-redesign.png
I think it looks pretty cool, personally. It retains the classic look and theme while still being a nice facelift.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.06 19:13:18 -
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That's totally fake, man. How long has it been since it was released.
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CCP Darwin
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2015.02.06 20:17:54 -
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Sniper Smith wrote:How about we get the Dominix model updated? Given that we were shown it almost a YEAR ago, and have heard nothing since, apart from CSM Mike bringing it up.. But no actual answer as to if/when to expect the change.
The Dominix redesign is still coming at some point, but what's happened since Fanfest last year is that a lot of other work took priority over it. Work like introducing PBR, the upcoming PBR texture and shader update pass, the updated Blackbird/Falcon/Rook models, the T3 tactical destroyers, new NPC designs like the Circadian Sleeper, plus a schedule of upcoming game assets that I'm not prepared to reveal just yet.
EVE's flying-in-space graphics and art team, Team TriLambda, has been booked solid for several months now, and priorities are continually reassessed based on other teams' requests, our own desires for what we'd like to see changed, and ultimately what we can do to make EVE look the best.
The reason nobody's come up with a firm answer on when the new Dominix is coming is that we aren't sure yet when we'll be able to fit it in. That said, there will be a slew of other art improvements in the upcoming releases, such that there won't be any ambiguity about what we've been doing instead.
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
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Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.02.06 20:47:14 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:Sniper Smith wrote:How about we get the Dominix model updated? Given that we were shown it almost a YEAR ago, and have heard nothing since, apart from CSM Mike bringing it up.. But no actual answer as to if/when to expect the change. The Dominix redesign is still coming at some point, but what's happened since Fanfest last year is that a lot of other work took priority over it. Work like introducing PBR, the upcoming PBR texture and shader update pass, the updated Blackbird/Falcon/Rook models, the T3 tactical destroyers, new NPC designs like the Circadian Sleeper, plus a schedule of upcoming game assets that I'm not prepared to reveal just yet. EVE's flying-in-space graphics and art team, Team TriLambda, has been booked solid for several months now, and priorities are continually reassessed based on other teams' requests, our own desires for what we'd like to see changed, and ultimately what we can do to make EVE look the best. The reason nobody's come up with a firm answer on when the new Dominix is coming is that we aren't sure yet when we'll be able to fit it in. That said, there will be a slew of other art improvements in the upcoming releases, such that there won't be any ambiguity about what we've been doing instead. You guys need to ahve the whole art team locked in their office(s) for 2 days with no sustenance except a large supply of beer, tell them in those 2 days they must both finish the beer and design a new ship for a easter egg NPC
this NPC will be for nothing more than popping up in random belts in nullsec to bother the locals, maybe make silly posts in local, or postng the targets ship/location in region chat *edit* i say this because, despite the massive amount of work they are doing and accomplishing, i desperately want to see how alcohol effects their ability to perform, as the great DaVinci once said "The quality of an artist can be seen while totally smashed" |
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CCP Darwin
C C P C C P Alliance
879
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Posted - 2015.02.06 21:02:05 -
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Nariya Kentaya wrote:You guys need to ahve the whole art team locked in their office(s) for 2 days with no sustenance except a large supply of beer
Now we're onto an idea I can get behind.
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.06 23:14:53 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:The Dominix redesign is still coming at some point, but what's happened since Fanfest last year is that a lot of other work took priority over it. Work like introducing PBR, the upcoming PBR texture and shader update pass, the updated Blackbird/Falcon/Rook models, the T3 tactical destroyers, new NPC designs like the Circadian Seeker, plus a schedule of upcoming game assets that I'm not prepared to reveal just yet.
EVE's flying-in-space graphics and art team, Team TriLambda, has been booked solid for several months now, and priorities are continually reassessed based on other teams' requests, our own desires for what we'd like to see changed, and ultimately what we can do to make EVE look the best.
The reason nobody's come up with a firm answer on when the new Dominix is coming is that we aren't sure yet when we'll be able to fit it in. That said, there will be a slew of other art improvements in the upcoming releases, such that there won't be any ambiguity about what we've been doing instead. First, I'd like to thank you for an answer :) As far as I've seen, you're the first CCP Dev to acknowledge the Domi Redesign since shortly after it was shown :) Every time it was mentioned by a player (Or even CSM in the minutes) it wasn't addressed.
This is what I was looking for, just someone to say we haven't forgot about it. I for one can fully accept that other things bumped it down the priority. Though I'd still of rathered it over the Blackbird :p Sexy Domi is Sexy :D I've seen some of the other work.. Drifter Battleship and the Jove Stations.. Can't wait to see them in game.
Anyway, thanks again for a response :) As long as we know it's still on the Agenda, even if it's not the first item :)
Also, I agree, lock you guys in with beer.. more beer will be provided as more work is done :D
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CCP Darwin
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2015.02.07 00:16:12 -
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Sniper Smith wrote:Every time it was mentioned by a player (Or even CSM in the minutes) it wasn't addressed. As you know from the minutes, I was in the room for the CSM session. It was clearly stated in the room that the Dominix is still on our list of upcoming redesigns and had been omitted from the presentation slide by mistake. (In fact, it was added to the slide in real time as it was brought up!)
The notes meant to make clear that it's still coming, but unfortunately the wording may have left it more ambiguous than we intended at the time.
Quote:Also, I agree, lock you guys in with beer.. more beer will be provided as more work is done :D
It's on.
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
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d0cTeR9
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
85
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Posted - 2015.03.13 04:09:50 -
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So... any news on the redesigned chimera? It's such an iconic ship, i'm curious to see what CCP does with it! |
Arthur Aihaken
X A X
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Posted - 2015.03.13 04:25:54 -
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Any hint on what we might be able to expect in Scylla?
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Niobe Song
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.13 05:07:02 -
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d0cTeR9 wrote:So... any news on the redesigned chimera? It's such an iconic ship, i'm curious to see what CCP does with it!
Since the Chimera is already a really attractive ship I would hope it is not a priority while there are so many hideous ships left to fix. But the art department seems to just work on whatever they are in the mood for (as artists are want to do) so I'm sure the next redesign will be something totally random.
But IMO Cruisers should be the priority. They are one of the most used ship classes and overall have some of the ugliest models. |
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Serene Repose
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Posted - 2015.03.13 10:47:47 -
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What do they do, fly the CSM to Reykjavik and while they're still jet lagged ply them with Jaeger then tell them, "Here's what," then ship them home? I've read some of the "discussions". They're as cogent as the convo in a drunk tank on Saturday night. Then we get "minutes" in which are hidden several panic buttons?
Am I getting this RIGHT??
No. Don't tell me. I'd rather hear, "The check is in the mail."
Treason never prospers. What is the reason?
Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
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Celgar Thurn
Department 10
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Posted - 2015.03.13 11:00:02 -
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Dominique Vasilkovsky wrote:CCP Darwin wrote:As promised with CCP Mankiller's dev blog from December, Team TriLambda is revisiting every ship to improve the look. This work is also ongoing.
The art team knows we have farther to go to nail the looks of many ships in the game, and there are strong voices speaking for the players on this. Fixes won't be immediate but they are coming. Good, can't wait to have the Sleipnir back in the Cyclone hull. It is just looking rubbish and wrong in the Hurricane hull.
+1 on this. The old Sleipnir hull was 1000% better looking than the Hurricane hull. 'Winmatar' really has had a kicking in terms of both projectile weapons vs other weapon systems and ship designs. I suppose it's good to have change in regards to the 'meta' and weapon systems but turning a lot of the Minmatar ships virtually black in colour was never going to be an attractive look. |
Niobe Song
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2015.03.13 18:13:26 -
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Yikes! Want a taste of the new Chimera? Looks like there is a teaser for its concept art in the new Dev Blog about the new Art of New Eden book.
It looks like the Chimera (and maybe all Caldari ships?) are getting that cheap, banged out, sheet metal look that the Mordus ships and the new Blackbird have.
Disappointing choice IMO. It looks more like something a kid made in shop rather than a functional flying ship. |
Kiandoshia
Applied Anarchy SpaceMonkey's Alliance
2233
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Posted - 2015.03.13 18:55:48 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:Arronicus wrote:You seem to have not seen many of them. Particularly the new blackbird/falcon that looks like our graphics rendering messed up and created some distorted box, that doesn't fit in with any of the other ships in eve. Or the way they ruined the paintjobs on many, if not most pirate faction ships. Or other iconic ships that got ruined like the vagabond. OK, first, breathe with me: [ whwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwhhhhhhhhh ] Now. If you're referring to the Blackbird/Falcon/Rook being off-center in the camera, the new design revealed a specific issue with our old algorithm for calculating bounding spheres. A fix is in work. As promised with CCP Mankiller's dev blog from December, Team TriLambda is revisiting every ship to improve the look. This work is also ongoing. The art team knows we have farther to go to nail the looks of many ships in the game, and there are strong voices speaking for the players on this. Fixes won't be immediate but they are coming.
He's talking about retractable antennas... lots of them... everywhere and on every ship!
Eve needs more retractable antennas. Antennas that retract as soon as you go into warp. Also rebuilding the ship while warping, yay!
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PhantomMajor
High Flyers The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2015.03.13 19:49:36 -
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Sean Apollo wrote:Nariya Kentaya wrote:So CSM minutes, apparently ALL ships will be touched on design wise, including chimera
chimera is literally the only carrier i think actually LOOKS like a carrier, aside from maybe the nid/hel. plus its launch ramp reminds me of gundam.
In short if it has to be changed, dont change it too much, i still want to be able to easily recognize it as a CHIMERA afterwards I don't think you should worry. The recent ships they have added/ redesigned look great. I'm pretty excited on how they will change the looks of them
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d0cTeR9
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
87
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Posted - 2015.03.13 20:21:13 -
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http://i.imgur.com/JLbtTT4.png |
Niobe Song
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2015.03.13 20:29:14 -
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It is awful. I hope that it is a fairly new hire creating that look and I hope that new hire goes and works for Riot. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2015.03.13 20:47:07 -
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Niobe Song wrote:It is awful. I hope that it is a fairly new hire creating that look and I hope that new hire goes and works for Riot. Don't call it awful.
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Bandalon Ominus
From Our Cold Dead Hands The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2015.03.13 23:07:56 -
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please dont ruin the wyvern, its fine, might even wanna go ot the old red moon rising, but would hate it if it was changed to the new chimera design concept style.. |
d0cTeR9
Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance
87
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Posted - 2015.03.14 00:25:40 -
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I like it, maybe cuz iv been flying chimera's for ever... |
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