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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.30 17:57:25 -
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Aiyshimin wrote:
If a ship doesn't contribute anything to the fleet, it is accepted on some other reasons. Like in baltec's case.
I think it's cool that he always flies a Mega, and it's certainly fun for him and his group. However it doesn't have much to do with the discussion about viability of battleships in PVP.
Having to adapt and fly my battleships in such drastic ways means I have learned how to get the most out of them. Most people would Just hang up the keys to their favorate ship and fly the current fotm fleet ship. I dont blaim them, they want to win. With me however, I see it as a challange. I will spend however long it takes to adapt what the new doctrine requires. This has given my knolage of battleships that allows me to get the most out of them.
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2015.01.30 18:21:21 -
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baltec1 wrote:Aiyshimin wrote:
If a ship doesn't contribute anything to the fleet, it is accepted on some other reasons. Like in baltec's case.
I think it's cool that he always flies a Mega, and it's certainly fun for him and his group. However it doesn't have much to do with the discussion about viability of battleships in PVP.
Having to adapt and fly my battleships in such drastic ways means I have learned how to get the most out of them. Most people would Just hang up the keys to their favorate ship and fly the current fotm fleet ship. I dont blaim them, they want to win. With me however, I see it as a challange. I will spend however long it takes to adapt what the new doctrine requires. This has given my knolage of battleships that allows me to get the most out of them.
Translation: just because most people suck and can't think their way out of a wet paper sack doesn't mean there is a problem with the class, it means people need to suck less.
I hope I got that right
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Gabriel Karade
Noir. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2015.01.30 18:41:22 -
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I'd be interested in seeing more creativity with the lowest tier of large turrets i.e. 'dual' weapons (signature benefits/burst fire/medium ammo e.t.c e.t.c)
The addition of the RHML shows there is scope to play around with weapons that, fluff wise at least, are supposed to be multiple cruiser weapons bolted together...
War Machine: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=386293
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.30 18:52:31 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:baltec1 wrote:Aiyshimin wrote:
If a ship doesn't contribute anything to the fleet, it is accepted on some other reasons. Like in baltec's case.
I think it's cool that he always flies a Mega, and it's certainly fun for him and his group. However it doesn't have much to do with the discussion about viability of battleships in PVP.
Having to adapt and fly my battleships in such drastic ways means I have learned how to get the most out of them. Most people would Just hang up the keys to their favorate ship and fly the current fotm fleet ship. I dont blaim them, they want to win. With me however, I see it as a challange. I will spend however long it takes to adapt what the new doctrine requires. This has given my knolage of battleships that allows me to get the most out of them. Translation: just because most people suck and can't think their way out of a wet paper sack doesn't mean there is a problem with the class, it means people need to suck less. I hope I got that right
More or less, Im trying to be a bit more diplomatic. Honestly if people worried less about their KB record and did more experimenting they would have a lot more fun.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2015.01.30 18:57:08 -
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Gabriel Karade wrote:I'd be interested in seeing more creativity with the lowest tier of large turrets i.e. 'dual' weapons (signature benefits/burst fire/medium ammo e.t.c e.t.c)
The addition of the RHML shows there is scope to play around with weapons that, fluff wise at least, are supposed to be multiple cruiser weapons bolted together...
You can do some rather interesting things with with these weapons. Im currently looking into fits that give very high tracking (for a battleship) that would allow turret BS to deal with cruisers and frigates.
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elitatwo
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Posted - 2015.01.30 19:47:15 -
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Gabriel Karade wrote:I'd be interested in seeing more creativity with the lowest tier of large turrets i.e. 'dual' weapons (signature benefits/burst fire/medium ammo e.t.c e.t.c)
The addition of the RHML shows there is scope to play around with weapons that, fluff wise at least, are supposed to be multiple cruiser weapons bolted together...
Pweese noo..
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Arthur Aihaken
X A X
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Posted - 2015.01.30 21:42:43 -
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Give Combat Battlecruisers and Battleships a secondary weapons array equivalent to half the number of turrets or launchers rounded up, to a maximum of five (each takes the place of a T3 subsystem slot in the fitting window). This does not apply to Attack Battlecruisers or Command ships. CPU and powergrid are *not* increased to offset these additions, and hull bonuses may or may not apply to secondary weapons.
GÇó Combat Battlecruisers: Secondary weapon slots are limited to light weapons (only) GÇó Battleships: Secondary weapon slots are limited to medium weapons (only)
Examples:
GÇó Drake gains 3x light launcher slots; Drake Navy Issue gains 4x light launcher slots GÇó All Marauders gain 2x light launcher or 2x light turret slots (Marauder bonuses should probably be revised to extend to medium weapon systems as well) GÇó Armageddon, Typhoon and Typhoon Fleet Issue all gain 3x medium launcher and 3x medium turret slots (but are still limited to a maximum combination of 5) GÇó Scorpion Navy Issue gains 3x medium launchers and 2x medium turret slots
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.30 21:53:19 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Give Combat Battlecruisers and Battleships a secondary weapons array equivalent to half the number of turrets or launchers rounded up, to a maximum of five (each takes the place of a T3 subsystem slot in the fitting window). This does not apply to Attack Battlecruisers or Command ships. CPU and powergrid are *not* increased to offset these additions, and hull bonuses may or may not apply to secondary weapons.
GÇó Combat Battlecruisers: Secondary weapon slots are limited to light weapons (only) GÇó Battleships: Secondary weapon slots are limited to medium weapons (only)
Examples:
GÇó Drake gains 3x light launcher slots; Drake Navy Issue gains 4x light launcher slots GÇó All Marauders gain 2x light launcher or 2x light turret slots (Marauder bonuses should probably be revised to extend to medium weapon systems as well) GÇó Armageddon, Typhoon and Typhoon Fleet Issue all gain 3x medium launcher and 3x medium turret slots (but are still limited to a maximum combination of 5) GÇó Scorpion Navy Issue gains 3x medium launchers and 2x medium turret slots
This would make them horribly overpowered.
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Arthur Aihaken
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Posted - 2015.01.30 22:06:27 -
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baltec1 wrote:This would make them horribly overpowered. First and foremost, run the numbers before passing judgement. These will definitely have an impact on any fitting where CPU and/or powergrid is already tight (particularly Combat Battlecruisers). Second, in the vast majority of instances these secondary turrets or launchers will be unbonused (there are a few exceptions like the Rattlesnake and Barghest). Finally, since light and medium weapons will incur inherent range limitations (again, generally-speaking) - they'll only generally come into play at close ranges.
The addition of a few medium or light weapon systems won't be enough to necessarily turn the tide when facing superior numbers, but it does give Combat Battlecruisers and Battleships at least a chance to extract themselves from these kind of predicaments.
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Aiyshimin
Shiva Furnace
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Posted - 2015.01.30 22:07:30 -
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baltec1 wrote: Having to adapt and fly my battleships in such drastic ways means I have learned how to get the most out of them. Most people would Just hang up the keys to their favorate ship and fly the current fotm fleet ship. I dont blaim them, they want to win. With me however, I see it as a challange. I will spend however long it takes to adapt what the new doctrine requires. This has given my knolage of battleships that allows me to get the most out of them.
Like I said, it's a very cool thing you do and I fully understand the added value for your personal game experience. I respect your persistence and fittings, and you get tons of extra points for the hull choice. It's just not the topic we're discussing.
I maintain that the game balance should allow battleships to be fitted and flown as battleships, not as battleships trying very hard to be Harpies. Currently the meta favours speed (on-grid) over the natural qualities of battleships, and my interpretation is that it's because battleships just don't have quite enough of their natural qualities to make the trade-off worthwhile.
Unfortunately all the latest new ship additions just reinforce the speed meta over staying power and raw damage with poor application.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
14755
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Posted - 2015.01.30 22:55:13 -
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Aiyshimin wrote:baltec1 wrote: Having to adapt and fly my battleships in such drastic ways means I have learned how to get the most out of them. Most people would Just hang up the keys to their favorate ship and fly the current fotm fleet ship. I dont blaim them, they want to win. With me however, I see it as a challange. I will spend however long it takes to adapt what the new doctrine requires. This has given my knolage of battleships that allows me to get the most out of them.
Like I said, it's a very cool thing you do and I fully understand the added value for your personal game experience. I respect your persistence and fittings, and you get tons of extra points for the hull choice. It's just not the topic we're discussing. I maintain that the game balance should allow battleships to be fitted and flown as battleships, not as battleships trying very hard to be Harpies. Currently the meta favours speed (on-grid) over the natural qualities of battleships, and my interpretation is that it's because battleships just don't have quite enough of their natural qualities to make the trade-off worthwhile. Unfortunately all the latest new ship additions just reinforce the speed meta over staying power and raw damage with poor application.
The most effective killing machine is the wreakingball/boot fleet. It is by far the slowest both in terms of warp speed and on grid but it will slaughter anything else in whatever numbers you wish to bring. You might see a lot of cruiser sized doctrines about right now but the battleship still forms to core of our subcap fleet in a war.
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Richard Stallmanu Stallmania
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Posted - 2015.01.30 22:59:55 -
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Aiyshimin wrote:baltec1 wrote: Having to adapt and fly my battleships in such drastic ways means I have learned how to get the most out of them. Most people would Just hang up the keys to their favorate ship and fly the current fotm fleet ship. I dont blaim them, they want to win. With me however, I see it as a challange. I will spend however long it takes to adapt what the new doctrine requires. This has given my knolage of battleships that allows me to get the most out of them.
Like I said, it's a very cool thing you do and I fully understand the added value for your personal game experience. I respect your persistence and fittings, and you get tons of extra points for the hull choice. It's just not the topic we're discussing. I maintain that the game balance should allow battleships to be fitted and flown as battleships, not as battleships trying very hard to be Harpies. Currently the meta favours speed (on-grid) over the natural qualities of battleships, and my interpretation is that it's because battleships just don't have quite enough of their natural qualities to make the trade-off worthwhile. Unfortunately all the latest new ship additions just reinforce the speed meta over staying power and raw damage with poor application. Just give up. It's like teaching a rock how to fish.
Seriously Baltec, you have yet to address the fact that your Mega has the stats of a T1 cruiser. Why should I fly it over a t1 cruiser? |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.30 23:01:12 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote: First and foremost, run the numbers before passing judgement.
A vindi with 4 med blasters coupled with its bonused webs will shred frigates.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2015.01.30 23:03:36 -
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Richard Stallmanu Stallmania wrote:
Seriously Baltec, you have yet to address the fact that your Mega has the stats of a T1 cruiser. Why should I fly it over a t1 cruiser?
Show me a t1 cruiser with 1200 DPS and 65k buffer tank.
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Richard Stallmanu Stallmania
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Posted - 2015.01.30 23:04:48 -
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baltec1 wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote: First and foremost, run the numbers before passing judgement.
A vindi with 4 med blasters coupled with its bonused webs will shred frigates. But why should I fly that over a vigilant? Its half the cost and bonused for medium guns? Or is it the 10% bonus to "Morale" that you are equating into your calculations?
You are quite possibly the least qualified person to speak about balance, yet it seems with standard Goon tradition you just can't stop posting after having been wrong on every single aspect. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.30 23:30:34 -
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Richard Stallmanu Stallmania wrote:baltec1 wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote: First and foremost, run the numbers before passing judgement.
A vindi with 4 med blasters coupled with its bonused webs will shred frigates. But why should I fly that over a vigilant? Its half the cost and bonused for medium guns? Or is it the 10% bonus to "Morale" that you are equating into your calculations? You are quite possibly the least qualified person to speak about balance, yet it seems with standard Goon tradition you just can't stop posting after having been wrong on every single aspect.
The bare hull costs the same as a fully fitted megathron and it is not a t1 cruiser.
Ill ask again, show me a t1 cruiser that can pump out 1200 dps and sports a 65k tank
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Richard Stallmanu Stallmania
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Posted - 2015.01.30 23:38:27 -
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baltec1 wrote:Richard Stallmanu Stallmania wrote:
Seriously Baltec, you have yet to address the fact that your Mega has the stats of a T1 cruiser. Why should I fly it over a t1 cruiser?
Show me a t1 cruiser with 1200 DPS and 65k buffer tank.
Ok. Let's start with the fact that your fit does not even remotely do 1200 dps. Not even REMOTELY. You should probably look at your metrics in game or in EFT before you start spouting non-sense on the forums.
But because I'm not sure the goons teach you how to use out of game tools, I did it for you.
http://i.imgur.com/okJHW4M.png
530 dps @ 36+30 71k ehp with 2.61km signature 225m Cost.
Thats uh.... less than half of your quoted 1200 dps.
Now here are some realistic substitutes.
Brutix http://i.imgur.com/LG349C2.png
555 Dps to the same range as your Megathron 57k EHP @2.23k Sig 76m Cost
Wow, like 1/3rd the price and you lose 10k ehp. Damn, better fly that mega for the 3 times the price and 10k more EHP!
Drake http://i.imgur.com/ZwaBJNE.png
450 dps to 47km (It should really be 550dps because I forgot to put drones in) 80k EHP@ 2.06k Sig 66m
1/4th the price and you gain 10k ehp, 12km of Optimal, lose the speed, but for each mega you could get 4 of theses and I bet one of them could solo your terrible megathron fit.
Vexor Navy Issue http://i.imgur.com/kkFlsnS.png
750 dps @ Infinite because OP 39k EHP @ 1k Sig. 116m. Half the cost of a mega,but similar defense to your fit due to a much reduced Sig radius, (and if you swap the rigs for EM) it will survive under logi no problem. So you lose some raw EHP, gain the reduced Sig, 500m/s speed, and 200 more dps, with the option to still do 550dps to the end of lock range with curators/bouncers.
Im not even going to link any HACs in here because we all know they are better than BS except for Baltec1, and he really isn't worth that much effort.
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Richard Stallmanu Stallmania
Keep Calm and Carrion
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Posted - 2015.01.30 23:39:16 -
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baltec1 wrote:Richard Stallmanu Stallmania wrote:baltec1 wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote: First and foremost, run the numbers before passing judgement.
A vindi with 4 med blasters coupled with its bonused webs will shred frigates. But why should I fly that over a vigilant? Its half the cost and bonused for medium guns? Or is it the 10% bonus to "Morale" that you are equating into your calculations? You are quite possibly the least qualified person to speak about balance, yet it seems with standard Goon tradition you just can't stop posting after having been wrong on every single aspect. The bare hull costs the same as a fully fitted megathron and it is not a t1 cruiser. Ill ask again, show me a t1 cruiser that can pump out 1200 dps and sports a 65k tank I'll ask once again, how many times has your brain been concussed to think that your mega fit puts out 1200 dps? |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.30 23:43:26 -
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Richard Stallmanu Stallmania wrote: I'll ask once again, how many times has your brain been concussed to think that your mega fit puts out 1200 dps?
How about looking at the right fit? We are talking about my nano cruiser fit not my harpy fleet fit.
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Bullet Therapist
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Posted - 2015.01.30 23:44:53 -
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baltec1 wrote:[quote=baltec1] The most effective killing machine is the wreakingball/boot fleet. It is by far the slowest both in terms of warp speed and on grid but it will slaughter anything else in whatever numbers you wish to bring. You might see a lot of cruiser sized doctrines about right now but the battleship still forms to core of our subcap fleet in a war.
So what's happening in R-ZUOL isn't a war then? Because I didn't see many battleships there. Mostly harpies, bombers, tengus, eagles and ishtars. Also, the wrecking ball relies on the archon, which doesn't even need to have subcap support to be effective.
And for the record, this is what tracking and signature radius mean in a fleet context.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJYQ7_w0oEs |
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.30 23:49:17 -
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Bullet Therapist wrote:baltec1 wrote:[quote=baltec1] The most effective killing machine is the wreakingball/boot fleet. It is by far the slowest both in terms of warp speed and on grid but it will slaughter anything else in whatever numbers you wish to bring. You might see a lot of cruiser sized doctrines about right now but the battleship still forms to core of our subcap fleet in a war. So what's happening in R-ZUOL isn't a war then? Because I didn't see many battleships there. Mostly harpies, bombers, tengus, eagles and ishtars. Also, the wrecking ball relies on the archon, which doesn't even need to have subcap support to be effective. And for the record, this is what tracking and signature radius mean in a fleet context. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJYQ7_w0oEs
No that is not a war. That is a deployment of the US TZ from goonfleet who are looking for "gud fights". It is not a CFC war deployment.
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Bullet Therapist
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Posted - 2015.01.30 23:51:21 -
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baltec1 wrote:Bullet Therapist wrote:baltec1 wrote:[quote=baltec1] The most effective killing machine is the wreakingball/boot fleet. It is by far the slowest both in terms of warp speed and on grid but it will slaughter anything else in whatever numbers you wish to bring. You might see a lot of cruiser sized doctrines about right now but the battleship still forms to core of our subcap fleet in a war. So what's happening in R-ZUOL isn't a war then? Because I didn't see many battleships there. Mostly harpies, bombers, tengus, eagles and ishtars. Also, the wrecking ball relies on the archon, which doesn't even need to have subcap support to be effective. And for the record, this is what tracking and signature radius mean in a fleet context. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJYQ7_w0oEs No that is not a war. That is a deployment of the US TZ from goonfleet who are looking for "gud fights". It is not a CFC war deployment.
Well spin it how you want, but CFC isn't using battleships to win fights. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.30 23:57:38 -
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Bullet Therapist wrote:
Well spin it how you want, but CFC isn't using battleships to win fights.
Why would we? Its a small deployment a long way from our supply lines so hauling a load of battleships out there is far more effort than it warrents. The only reason we took that system was because someone in FCON got the final shot in while the INIT. dreadnoughts were flipping the station.
We are literally grinding their space to the ground with 200 guys and accidentally taking space we don't want.
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Richard Stallmanu Stallmania
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Posted - 2015.01.31 00:09:37 -
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baltec1 wrote:Richard Stallmanu Stallmania wrote: I'll ask once again, how many times has your brain been concussed to think that your mega fit puts out 1200 dps?
How about looking at the right fit? We are talking about my nano cruiser fit not my harpy fleet fit. Everyone just ignore the talking pile of rocks. |
Richard Stallmanu Stallmania
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Posted - 2015.01.31 00:11:26 -
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baltec1 wrote:Bullet Therapist wrote:
Well spin it how you want, but CFC isn't using battleships to win fights.
Why would we? Its a small deployment a long way from our supply lines so hauling a load of battleships out there is far more effort than it warrents. The only reason we took that system was because someone in FCON got the final shot in while the INIT. dreadnoughts were flipping the station. We are literally grinding their space to the ground with 200 guys and accidentally taking space we don't want. "We are farming POS mods for points/KB Efficiency" |
Bullet Therapist
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Posted - 2015.01.31 00:15:44 -
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baltec1 wrote:Bullet Therapist wrote:
Well spin it how you want, but CFC isn't using battleships to win fights.
Why would we? Its a small deployment a long way from our supply lines so hauling a load of battleships out there is far more effort than it warrents. The only reason we took that system was because someone in FCON got the final shot in while the INIT. dreadnoughts were flipping the station. We are literally grinding their space to the ground with 200 guys and accidentally taking space we don't want.
The point is that we use doctrines to win fights. A deployment isn't a trivial affair, even if it's something that designed to simply engender content, and players use the ships that win fights. It makes sense not to risk strategic assets like supercarriers to RF a random system, but the SRP and deployment headache to move battleships vs harpies or even ishtars isn't terrible as even a deployment to western curse is relatively easy to stage in to. It's not like the harpies and ishtars are coming from all the way up in dekein. A winning doctrine is a winning doctrine, and even if it's a hard one to move you'd never think twice about going through the trouble if it gives you a better chance.
Besides, good fights didn't stop the CFC from using them against BL, which never credibly threatened CFC sov in any way. |
Arthur Aihaken
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Posted - 2015.01.31 00:25:14 -
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baltec1 wrote:A vindi with 4 med blasters coupled with its bonused webs will shred frigates. Considering it's close to a billion-ISK in hardware, I would hope so... But this also assumes you're not dealing with say a small force of Garmurs that can out-range and out-tackle said setup. I'm sure there are more than a few other frigates that would fit the criteria, but the Garmur stuck out foremost in my mind.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.31 00:27:03 -
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Bullet Therapist wrote:baltec1 wrote:Bullet Therapist wrote:
Well spin it how you want, but CFC isn't using battleships to win fights.
Why would we? Its a small deployment a long way from our supply lines so hauling a load of battleships out there is far more effort than it warrents. The only reason we took that system was because someone in FCON got the final shot in while the INIT. dreadnoughts were flipping the station. We are literally grinding their space to the ground with 200 guys and accidentally taking space we don't want. The point is that we use doctrines to win fights. A deployment isn't a trivial affair, even if it's something that designed to simply engender content, and players use the ships that win fights. It makes sense not to risk strategic assets like supercarriers to RF a random system, but the SRP and deployment headache to move battleships vs harpies or even ishtars isn't terrible as even a deployment to western curse is relatively easy to stage in to. It's not like the harpies and ishtars are coming from all the way up in dekein. A winning doctrine is a winning doctrine, and even if it's a hard one to move you'd never think twice about going through the trouble if it gives you a better chance. Besides, good fights didn't stop the CFC from using them against BL, which never credibly threatened CFC sov in any way.
The harpies did come from Dek.
This deployment is indeed a trivial affair. Its a holiday to us, much like IRC space was (we called it the game reserve). We aren't using Domi fleet because frankly, we don't need a sledgehammer. We want to get fights, not to grind them into dust.
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Mina Sebiestar
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Posted - 2015.01.31 01:24:14 -
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id give em smaller gun sigs to better land their dmg if that will do it
then
A mobility lock speed increase to keep up w meta
B tank DPS and advanced utility buffs to make em worth of battleship name
I am not sure following meta is right choice tho.
under adv utility ad develop modules for them area of effect modules like
distortion field generators = if enemy booster/s is not within field no boost are received to ships within field.
stasis web generator = cant be stacked 20% speed drop (like drone)
Warp drive inhibitor = warp drive charge(align) +100%(random figure) cant be stacked .
etc etc etc
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Kenrailae
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2015.01.31 02:45:13 -
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Richard Stallmanu Stallmania wrote:baltec1 wrote:Richard Stallmanu Stallmania wrote: I'll ask once again, how many times has your brain been concussed to think that your mega fit puts out 1200 dps?
How about looking at the right fit? We are talking about my nano cruiser fit not my harpy fleet fit. Everyone just ignore the talking pile of rocks.
As said before, Baltec is well known and widely respected for his use of megathron's in particular in all kinds of ways. Who are you exactly?
As also said before, it comes down to tools for the job: Use the ishtar if you don't want to fight, use the T3 if you need to survive long enough to reduce incoming DPS or need to hit smaller stuff, use a battleship if you have a big slow target that just needs tons of DPS, use faction battleships and caps if you want to break morale, etc, etc.
The largest 'problem' with battleships is, and has been for quite some time, the sentry drone problem and T3's:
CCP Ytterbium:
Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line. It doesn't necessarily means nerfing them to oblivion and beyond, but making sure that each subsystem configuration has a use and they don't overlap on other ships by making them different in role and purpose.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1889852#post1889852
Only after those two issues are resolved can you really see what needs or doesn't need done with BS.
Yes, I'd like to see their price tag come back down a bit, yes, I'd like to see their HP buffed slightly, but their biggest problems are not their problems, but other ships that overlap way too aggressively into their role. Those ships need fixed.
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