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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi
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Posted - 2015.02.07 20:59:54 -
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M1k3y Koontz wrote:We have 4-5 doctrines, and only fly ishtars. It's not because we trained Ishtars, we could easily train something else (most of us can already fly a T3 fleet). We still fly Ishtars because there is no good counter to them except Ishtars.
Eagles work against Ishtars. Cerberus' work against Ishtars. I wonder if MJD CS, like Rail Vultures, work against them. A combination of bombers, dictors and damage works against Ishtars. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2015.02.07 21:05:03 -
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M1k3y Koontz wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:It ain't broke so there is no need to fix it. It most certainly is broke, and it immediately needs to be fixed. Lugh Crow-Slave wrote: Ishtars were overpowered then they got set back to a reasonable level
How were they set back to a reasonable level? The 10m/s speed nerf? That did nothing.
no when they dropped the tracking bonus down to 7.5%
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Caligula Gaius Claudian
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
2
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Posted - 2015.02.08 01:03:35 -
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This topic came to the end of life
Peeps are asking to nerf both ishtar and sentry which is absurd.
I think best thing is to make these pair separated for good.
At least make the crying babies happy. |
Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
89
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Posted - 2015.02.08 02:43:21 -
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Grytok wrote:Rain6637 wrote:You can abandon drones and reconnect to get around that. Yeah, but while abandoned, you can't shoot anything with your sentries.
You know that, they know that, and people are losing ships/getting podded by afk cloaked ships.
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
126
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Posted - 2015.02.08 04:20:32 -
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Rain6637 wrote:Subcaps get fighters delegated from carriers. Fighter delegation and carrier support is endemic to lowsec PVP. Ah good to see your still stuck in your rut, everything I say goes completely over your head and you always land back on carriers. Did you ever, even for just one single second stop and think that maybe your addiction to carriers is the root cause of your problems?
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29690
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Posted - 2015.02.08 04:23:01 -
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I've never involved carriers in PVP. On TQ, anyway.
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Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
35
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Posted - 2015.02.08 05:24:44 -
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Amazing but how one small tiny ship could so much rage in discusdion.
I hope we could start having gvexor blueprints drops sometime in future thus would leave ishtar abandoned for usage. |
Petrified
TOG - The Older Gamers TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
216
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Posted - 2015.02.08 06:06:47 -
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Something that people who say "Nerf this ship cause it's too overpowered!" forget about is that there will then be the next ship that people complain about as being overpowered. Sometimes, it ends up being their own favorite to fly.
What you want is an effective counter, not necessarily a nerf. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29691
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Posted - 2015.02.08 06:10:40 -
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That's pretty much what I was going to say. The next successful thing is only a matter of being used in large groups. Doesn't mean changes aren't worth having, though.
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Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
37
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Posted - 2015.02.08 06:16:27 -
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What is the next 'flag' ship, cause i think ishtar's days are over soon. |
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29696
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Posted - 2015.02.08 06:22:28 -
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Whatever gets sentries, and is small. A little earlier today, while roaming around Sisi, I was thinking about how sentries have better damage application than large blasters when it comes to shooting towers through forcefields.
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afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
732
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Posted - 2015.02.08 10:03:38 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:M1k3y Koontz wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:It ain't broke so there is no need to fix it. It most certainly is broke, and it immediately needs to be fixed. Lugh Crow-Slave wrote: Ishtars were overpowered then they got set back to a reasonable level
How were they set back to a reasonable level? The 10m/s speed nerf? That did nothing. no when they dropped the tracking bonus down to 7.5%
Yeah that totally stopped ishtars dead in their tracks.
Wait. No it didn't.
The counter to ishtars remains either a) massive blobbing or b) your own ishtars. This is fundamentally broken. |
M1k3y Koontz
Aether Ventures Surely You're Joking
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Posted - 2015.02.08 14:15:21 -
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no when they dropped the tracking bonus down to 7.5%
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[sarcasm] Oh yea, that 2.5% reduction in a tracking BONUS really did a number on Ishtar fleets. [/sarcasm]
Rivr Luzade wrote:M1k3y Koontz wrote:We have 4-5 doctrines, and only fly ishtars. It's not because we trained Ishtars, we could easily train something else (most of us can already fly a T3 fleet). We still fly Ishtars because there is no good counter to them except Ishtars.
Eagles work against Ishtars. Cerberus' work against Ishtars. I wonder if MJD CS, like Rail Vultures, work against them. A combination of bombers, dictors and damage works against Ishtars.
Eagles are shooting kinetic/therm, that doubles the Ishtars EHP due to its native T2 resists. Cerbs? Don't make me laugh. Heavy missiles are awful, and RLMLs are limited in range and aren't good for sustained damage.
Bombers and dictors don't work. As soon as the bubble goes up the Ishtars can MWD out of it, and either warp off, or fly away from the bombs. They're too mobile to be hit by a bomb that has a 12 second flight time.
How much herp could a herp derp derp if a herp derp could herp derp.
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Phaade
Perimeter Defense Systems Templis CALSF
308
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Posted - 2015.02.08 16:08:04 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote:What is the next 'flag' ship, cause i think ishtar's days are over soon.
How's that?
And no, Eagles do not counter Ishtars... That suggestion is honestly hilarious. Ishtar's do more damage at more range and its selectable.
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Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
2756
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Posted - 2015.02.08 17:00:18 -
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Anhenka wrote:Pravius wrote:ishtars are a tad op... every 0.0 group uses them for obvious reasons......
limit sentry drones to battlecruiser and above...
seems like a good idea. Any suggestions so that Ishtars, VNI's, and ordinary Vexors are not completely and totally **** afterwords? Or are you one of the "gut them into uselessness and let CCP never sort them out." crowd? -1 for a bare sketch of an idea, -1 for not searching to find the other 999 Ishtar threads, -1 for the "make them totally useless" suggestion. And -10 for laziness.
Capital ships come to mind when reading that obviously emotional retort.
Then again, I've sat back with tears in my eyes for the last 5 years while watching CCP gut our beautiful capital and super capital behemoths to nothingness all for the sake of these sh1tty sub caps that "must be worth something" in a cap fight.
So I for one would welcome the lazy solution of nerfing Isthars into uselessness... or deleted even. Even if its just for trolling value.
Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
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Phaade
Perimeter Defense Systems Templis CALSF
309
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Posted - 2015.02.08 17:05:37 -
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Asuka Solo wrote:Anhenka wrote:Pravius wrote:ishtars are a tad op... every 0.0 group uses them for obvious reasons......
limit sentry drones to battlecruiser and above...
seems like a good idea. Any suggestions so that Ishtars, VNI's, and ordinary Vexors are not completely and totally **** afterwords? Or are you one of the "gut them into uselessness and let CCP never sort them out." crowd? -1 for a bare sketch of an idea, -1 for not searching to find the other 999 Ishtar threads, -1 for the "make them totally useless" suggestion. And -10 for laziness. Capital ships come to mind when reading that obviously emotional retort. Then again, I've sat back with tears in my eyes for the last 5 years while watching CCP gut our beautiful capital and super capital behemoths to nothingness all for the sake of these sh1tty sub caps that "must be worth something" in a cap fight. So I for one would welcome the lazy solution of nerfing Isthars into uselessness... or deleted even. Even if its just for trolling value.
I think the game would actually improve if they were removed entirely |
Phaade
Perimeter Defense Systems Templis CALSF
309
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Posted - 2015.02.09 07:06:40 -
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For the good of New Eden, this thread needs a bump. |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
38
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Posted - 2015.02.09 13:07:33 -
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"This" chewing gum has already lost it's flavor.
Ishtars deserve a changes not the sentries. It is a right time to look and start training for the next epic ship until it' s come to the same end as little ishtar.
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Minarete
Celestial Hoard TOG - The Older Gamers Alliance
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Posted - 2015.02.09 14:17:17 -
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There must be a way CCP could add something like "Drone Fatigue" to ships using a lager drone on a smaller ship?
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Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
665
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Posted - 2015.02.09 14:25:25 -
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Rain6637 wrote:Whatever gets sentries, and is small. A little earlier today, while roaming around Sisi, I was thinking about how sentries have better damage application than large blasters when it comes to shooting towers through forcefields. I'm currently on my laptop, but you gave me an idea. Do sentries suffer from "signature resolution" (I think that's what it's called) on their weapons? I.e. Neutron Blaster Cannon has a 400 meter sig resolution, doesn't do full damage to stuff with sig radius <400. Adding that + increasing NPC AI's reactiveness to EWAR would be something I would be able to get behind. |
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Rapscallion Jones
Omnibus Solutions
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Posted - 2015.02.09 15:54:26 -
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Pravius wrote:ishtars are a tad op... every 0.0 group uses them for obvious reasons......
limit sentry drones to battlecruiser and above...
seems like a good idea.
So instead of Ishtars online it will become Myrmidons online?
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1547
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Posted - 2015.02.09 17:00:29 -
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Nolak Ataru wrote:Rain6637 wrote:Whatever gets sentries, and is small. A little earlier today, while roaming around Sisi, I was thinking about how sentries have better damage application than large blasters when it comes to shooting towers through forcefields. I'm currently on my laptop, but you gave me an idea. Do sentries suffer from "signature resolution" (I think that's what it's called) on their weapons? I.e. Neutron Blaster Cannon has a 400 meter sig resolution, doesn't do full damage to stuff with sig radius <400. Adding that + increasing NPC AI's reactiveness to EWAR would be something I would be able to get behind.
They do have a sig res but I am not sure what the actual value is. |
Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
93
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Posted - 2015.02.09 18:13:41 -
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Rapscallion Jones wrote:Pravius wrote:ishtars are a tad op... every 0.0 group uses them for obvious reasons......
limit sentry drones to battlecruiser and above...
seems like a good idea. So instead of Ishtars online it will become Myrmidons online?
Yes it would.....as I said earlier.
Blob with any ship and it will appear to be OP. |
Sigras
Conglomo
1004
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Posted - 2015.02.09 19:02:29 -
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Rapscallion Jones wrote:Pravius wrote:ishtars are a tad op... every 0.0 group uses them for obvious reasons......
limit sentry drones to battlecruiser and above...
seems like a good idea. So instead of Ishtars online it will become Myrmidons online? The myrm is 50% slower thus easier to catch. Also, it's short one drone and doesnt have the ability to deploy 3 waves of replacements.
You're thinking of Eos online, and even that would be missing a set of replacements...
IMHO the ishtar just needs one change... 75 bandwidth and a 40% role bonus to heavy drone bandwidth. That way it could still deploy a whole flight of heavies but would be limited to 3 sentries at a time bringing its ranged damage in line with all the other HACs |
Phaade
Perimeter Defense Systems Templis CALSF
311
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Posted - 2015.02.09 19:41:14 -
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Syn Shi wrote:Rapscallion Jones wrote:Pravius wrote:ishtars are a tad op... every 0.0 group uses them for obvious reasons......
limit sentry drones to battlecruiser and above...
seems like a good idea. So instead of Ishtars online it will become Myrmidons online? Yes it would.....as I said earlier. Blob with any ship and it will appear to be OP.
Umm... Myrmidon Is half the speed, with twice the Sig, no MWD bloom reduction, t1 resists, less bay, no tracking bonus, no added control range....
Sounds much closer to balance to me. |
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
143
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Posted - 2015.02.10 03:53:44 -
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Nolak Ataru wrote:Rain6637 wrote:Whatever gets sentries, and is small. A little earlier today, while roaming around Sisi, I was thinking about how sentries have better damage application than large blasters when it comes to shooting towers through forcefields. I'm currently on my laptop, but you gave me an idea. Do sentries suffer from "signature resolution" (I think that's what it's called) on their weapons? I.e. Neutron Blaster Cannon has a 400 meter sig resolution, doesn't do full damage to stuff with sig radius <400. Adding that + increasing NPC AI's reactiveness to EWAR would be something I would be able to get behind. Not sure what you mean here so an attempt at an answer.
Yes the drones themselves hava a sig radius 100meters.
As far as their guns are concerned they use the same formula for figuring damage as any other turret based weapo in in the game.
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Garde_II |
Nolak Ataru
Incursion Osprey Replacement Fund LLC
666
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Posted - 2015.02.10 09:49:22 -
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Donnachadh wrote:Nolak Ataru wrote:Rain6637 wrote:Whatever gets sentries, and is small. A little earlier today, while roaming around Sisi, I was thinking about how sentries have better damage application than large blasters when it comes to shooting towers through forcefields. I'm currently on my laptop, but you gave me an idea. Do sentries suffer from "signature resolution" (I think that's what it's called) on their weapons? I.e. Neutron Blaster Cannon has a 400 meter sig resolution, doesn't do full damage to stuff with sig radius <400. Adding that + increasing NPC AI's reactiveness to EWAR would be something I would be able to get behind. Not sure what you mean here so an attempt at an answer. Yes the drones themselves hava a sig radius 100meters. As far as their guns are concerned they use the same formula for figuring damage as any other turret based weapo in in the game. https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Garde_II
Signature resolution =/= Signature Radius. |
afkalt
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
735
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Posted - 2015.02.10 09:59:43 -
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Bouncer II is sig res 400m
Make them apply damage like missiles. FIXED |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
38
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Posted - 2015.02.10 10:44:31 -
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C'mon guys where are the bright ideas?
Honestly your let's nerf, cut, reduce reminds me tears and nothing else. |
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
146
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Posted - 2015.02.11 03:53:06 -
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Nolak Ataru wrote:Signature resolution =/= Signature Radius. Correction noted, thank you. |
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