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ImYourMom
Republic University Minmatar Republic
56
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Posted - 2015.01.28 20:57:02 -
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhtRscfsT4TFdGxsUmZZMktDZWpGR0xPazkyaHlTelE#gid=0
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Do i need to say more? is this your vision for eve? Do you think its right that one group is renting out almost 13 regions? what the hell has happened to eve?
Honestly this makes me cry...i can only remember how eve was.... |
Paranoid Loyd
3667
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Posted - 2015.01.28 20:58:37 -
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Grr sandbox
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans
1944
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Posted - 2015.01.28 21:00:01 -
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You're free to try and change that if you like. |
Shailagh
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
46
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Posted - 2015.01.28 21:01:51 -
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Waaa I wana rent in "dangerous" null with blues all around me and pay people to protect me.
I hope you do find a system to rent and it gets perma-afk-cloaked-camped |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9556
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Posted - 2015.01.28 21:02:30 -
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ImYourMom wrote:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhtRscfsT4TFdGxsUmZZMktDZWpGR0xPazkyaHlTelE#gid=0
\http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/verite/20150128.png
Do i need to say more? is this your vision for eve? Do you think its right that one group is renting out almost 13 regions? what the hell has happened to eve?
Honestly this makes me cry...i can only remember how eve was....
The question is, why did YOU allow this to happen. Where is your Space Army to make this not happen, or do you think EVE is the place where CCP is supposed to do all the heavy lifting for you (rhetorical question, we already know the answer).
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Shailagh
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
46
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Posted - 2015.01.28 21:03:26 -
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There is actually lots of systems in this game for corps that are too weak to own sov to live in. Wanna "own" a system, earn it you ulgy nullBlueBear WANABE |
ImYourMom
Republic University Minmatar Republic
56
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Posted - 2015.01.28 21:03:38 -
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Rowells wrote:You're free to try and change that if you like.
what like you guys? |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
111
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Posted - 2015.01.28 21:06:55 -
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ELI5 what is the problem?
I'm my own NPC alt.
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ImYourMom
Republic University Minmatar Republic
56
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Posted - 2015.01.28 21:08:37 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:ImYourMom wrote:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhtRscfsT4TFdGxsUmZZMktDZWpGR0xPazkyaHlTelE#gid=0
\http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/verite/20150128.png
Do i need to say more? is this your vision for eve? Do you think its right that one group is renting out almost 13 regions? what the hell has happened to eve?
Honestly this makes me cry...i can only remember how eve was.... The question is, why did YOU allow this to happen. Where is your Space Army to make this not happen, or do you think EVE is the place where CCP is supposed to do all the heavy lifting for you (rhetorical question, we already know the answer).
ll if you think i am gong to go through years of why, what etc and the history of why we got here then I'm not. If you think this is good for eve then you're wrong. This is why eve is dying and will continue to do. Oh well i guess that attitude will bode well when the eve server closes down leaving you and everyone else high and dry and thinking why didn't we do something. and yes it is up to CCP to sort out, they govern the mechanics of the game therefore can change it. Fine lets keep it as is, but create a new instance so that players have an equal opportunity to do the same... |
Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans
1944
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Posted - 2015.01.28 21:17:15 -
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ImYourMom wrote:Rowells wrote:You're free to try and change that if you like. what like you guys? That's assuming we care enough to want it changed. |
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Adrie Atticus
Shadows of Rebellion The Bastion
887
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Posted - 2015.01.28 21:17:35 -
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ImYourMom wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:ImYourMom wrote:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhtRscfsT4TFdGxsUmZZMktDZWpGR0xPazkyaHlTelE#gid=0
\http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/verite/20150128.png
Do i need to say more? is this your vision for eve? Do you think its right that one group is renting out almost 13 regions? what the hell has happened to eve?
Honestly this makes me cry...i can only remember how eve was.... The question is, why did YOU allow this to happen. Where is your Space Army to make this not happen, or do you think EVE is the place where CCP is supposed to do all the heavy lifting for you (rhetorical question, we already know the answer). ll if you think i am gong to go through years of why, what etc and the history of why we got here then I'm not. If you think this is good for eve then you're wrong. This is why eve is dying and will continue to do. Oh well i guess that attitude will bode well when the eve server closes down leaving you and everyone else high and dry and thinking why didn't we do something. and yes it is up to CCP to sort out, they govern the mechanics of the game therefore can change it. Fine lets keep it as is, but create a new instance so that players have an equal opportunity to do the same...
Why should CCP do your job? |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1532
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Posted - 2015.01.28 21:18:52 -
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ImYourMom wrote:Rowells wrote:You're free to try and change that if you like. what like you guys?
They already did much more than you ever did about it. |
Dradis Aulmais
By Light and Banner's Fallen
674
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Posted - 2015.01.28 21:20:43 -
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Missed the fact that CCP is working to change sov? Another op who failed to read. Another EB
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
7199
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Posted - 2015.01.28 21:20:55 -
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ImYourMom wrote:This is why eve is dying and will continue to do. Oh well i guess that attitude will bode well when the eve server closes down leaving you and everyone else high and dry and thinking why didn't we do something. "This game'll be dead in six months. Mark my words." ~ Elan Dochin (circa 2004)
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?"
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Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans
1944
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Posted - 2015.01.28 21:22:41 -
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We all know it was dead way before then. |
Serene Repose
2145
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Posted - 2015.01.28 21:36:02 -
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We're necro gamers. Night of the gaming dead. We're ah....NEVERMIND!
Treason never prospers. What is the reason?
Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
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Mag's
the united
18910
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Posted - 2015.01.28 21:38:45 -
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Rowells wrote:We all know it was dead way before then. I believe it had a bad smell about it, when I joined early 2004.
**Destination SkillQueue:- **
It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
7202
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Posted - 2015.01.28 21:45:41 -
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Mag's wrote:Rowells wrote:We all know it was dead way before then. I believe it had a bad smell about it, when I joined early 2004. EVE Online: The dead game that never dies.
EVE Online: Necromancers' Paradise (how else do you explain corpses?)
EVE Online: So edgy... it's positively dead(ly).
Change isn't bad, but it isn't always good. Sometimes, the oldest and most simple of things can be the most elegant and effective.
"How did you veterans start?"
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Mag's
the united
18911
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Posted - 2015.01.28 21:47:31 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Mag's wrote:Rowells wrote:We all know it was dead way before then. I believe it had a bad smell about it, when I joined early 2004. EVE Online: The dead game that never dies. EVE Online: Necromancers' Paradise (how else do you explain corpses?) EVE Online: So edgy... it's positively dead(ly). Mint
**Destination SkillQueue:- **
It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
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Cancel Align NOW
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
407
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Posted - 2015.01.28 21:52:29 -
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OP needs to think outside the square instead of whining. Renters are a fickle bunch. If that spreadsheet is anywhere near accurate (hmmm) then you have a great list of possible roam destinations. Destinations, where you and your small band of merry people, can hope into interceptors and dictors and go and cause risk averse folks to dock up for days on end. If you do it averagely you will get some juicy kills. If you do it well you will cause the collapse of renter corporations/alliances. If you know what you are doing you will make the landlord's life miserable. |
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Solops Crendraven
Solops Inc
73
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Posted - 2015.01.28 21:57:18 -
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ImYourMom wrote:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhtRscfsT4TFdGxsUmZZMktDZWpGR0xPazkyaHlTelE#gid=0
\http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/verite/20150128.png
Do i need to say more? is this your vision for eve? Do you think its right that one group is renting out almost 13 regions? what the hell has happened to eve?
Honestly this makes me cry...i can only remember how eve was.... They Should be ashamed of themselves.( here is a Kleenex. ) Your Not the Only one who feels this way.Your Not alone.
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Kaelynne Rose
WTB Somalians
8
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Posted - 2015.01.28 21:57:52 -
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Yo OP, whats ur thought on afkcloaking? |
Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy Caldari State
480
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Posted - 2015.01.28 21:58:34 -
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ImYourMom wrote:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhtRscfsT4TFdGxsUmZZMktDZWpGR0xPazkyaHlTelE#gid=0
\http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/verite/20150128.png
Do i need to say more? is this your vision for eve? Do you think its right that one group is renting out almost 13 regions? what the hell has happened to eve?
Honestly this makes me cry...i can only remember how eve was.... Ummm that's 12 constellations in ONE region. Big difference.
ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries"
NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
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TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
1011
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Posted - 2015.01.28 22:02:42 -
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Op, you do realize that the renter regions are already many times smaller than before Rhea hit, right? And that was just phase one. Patience.
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Cancel Align NOW
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
408
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Posted - 2015.01.28 22:06:39 -
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Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:Ummm that's 12 constellations in ONE region. Big difference.
Check the sheets tab at the bottom of the spreadsheet. You are correct those tabs sure make a big difference.
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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
19603
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Posted - 2015.01.28 22:10:59 -
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Hello OP,
Here in GD, we have a higher standard of posting than other, less reputable subforums. Please reformat your post to include the following:
Grrrrrr [insert specific entity name here]
[Thing] needs to be [nerfed / buffed / left alone] because [reasons].
I [demand / politely request / don't care if I ever get ] a response on this issue by [DEV / GM / other]. I will [unsubscribe / resubscribe / rethink my life in regards to my] [#] of accounts if I don't get satisfaction.
Thank you for your time.
Warmest regards,
[Player name].
PS - [Yes / No] you [can / cannot] have my stuff.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Vote Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10!
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Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy Caldari State
480
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Posted - 2015.01.28 22:13:24 -
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Cancel Align NOW wrote:Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:Ummm that's 12 constellations in ONE region. Big difference.
Check the sheets tab at the bottom of the spreadsheet. You are correct those tabs sure make a big difference. Oops my bad... that's what I get for using a tablet.
ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries"
NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
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Rowells
ANZAC ALLIANCE Fidelas Constans
1946
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Posted - 2015.01.28 22:22:20 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Hello OP,
Here in GD, we have a higher standard of posting than other, less reputable subforums. Please reformat your post to include the following:
Grrrrrr [noun]
[Noun] needs to be [adverb] because [noun].
I [adverb] request a response on this issue by [Noun]. I will [verb] [#] of accounts if I don't get satisfaction.
Thank you for your time.
Warmest regards,
[Player name].
PS - [Yes / No] you [can / cannot] have my stuff.
GD adlib GO! |
DaReaper
Net 7
1749
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Posted - 2015.01.28 22:34:21 -
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*Pulls up a stool and leans his cane against a wall*
Now then, let me give you a brief.. maybe... history lesson.
Back in 2004 when I started in eve, there were no formal alliances. IRON, SE, Curse, XF were all informal. They guarded the gates to null and killed anyone not affiliated.
Then came the great Exodus, and with it the formation of the alliances we have today. I won't go into what alliances did what, as that is for time, but two large alliances and one large coalition formed from this. BoB, ASCN and NC.
It quickly became apparent as time went on that there needed to be buffer zones between alliances. ASCN got Axiom empire, BoB had Fix, and NC was well NC. I only know the relationship between BoB and Fix for sure, though as a member of ASCN during this time, I was not really paying attention to the politics. Fix was a bob pet, essentially an alliance that was not strong enough o stand on its own, but used as a meat shield to stop ASCN from invading BoB space. (note I use ASCN as a general term for southern alliances, as I know this is more complex then I have time to write, deal with it) Pets in the day, either paid a tribute to there main alliance, or was forced to help out the main alliance and help defend it. in exchange, the main alliance was suppose to come to the aid of the pet. After the death of steve and the fall of ASCN, a lot of the south changed. The bigger players made the SC and they even had pets. ISS and KoS and to a lessor extent my own BoS were SC pets.
Pets were essentially like renters of today, and like renters, pets used to get too big for there britches and allowed to fail. ISS was steam rolled by her allies, as was KoS. Fix was steam rolled by NC and the SC doing a pincher on BoB. My own BoS was steam rolled by bob when they retook qurious.
Shortly after te fall of Fix and BoS taking Qurious, CCP in there brilliant wisdom (sarcasm) came out with Constellation sov. The single worst move for sov ever. This caused the idea of pets to be reduced. As it was nearly impossible to remove an entrenched alliance, and created a massive stagnate state of war between the power blocks. After goons killed bob, there was a shift of powers and new pet alliances were made. once again as buffer zones.
The reason behind this, was that taking sov was a pita, you had to have people to defend your towers as you waied the 7 days, so your pets had to be strong but not too strong.
When dominion came, lots of space that had nothing but moon mining pos' in it did not need to be held for sov. So a lot of alliances sold them off. Add in the alchemy reactions and the nerfs to dysp and prom and null sec changed.
The biggest reason we have renters, is both due to the proliferation of caps, and dominion sov making ti so you did not need to clam sov with a tower to hold space, you could keep your towers in a system and let someone else work your fields. And because you could drop a massive fleet anywhere in seconds, your renters did not need to be strong. So might as well reap the money.
The mess we are in is a cross between some bad choices on ccp's part, leaving things to fester as they looked at new shiny, and the players adapting to changes in the environment.
Null never allowed small groups unless you were buddies with the bigger guys. It just became easier to kill people due to constellation sov.
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!
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Hevymetal
Eve Defence Force The Kadeshi
414
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Posted - 2015.01.28 23:15:44 -
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ImYourMom wrote: Honestly this makes me cry...i can only remember how eve was....
And your proposal to fix the current situation of SOV is what exactly?
I know, let's do a complete server systemwide SOV and standings reset across the board during downtime one evening by suprise. Next uptime problem solved. Everyone now has the opportunity to get whatever they can hold from that point forward. /sarcasm
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