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Orlacc
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Posted - 2015.01.28 23:57:19 -
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What dos OP suggest as a fix?
"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9560
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Posted - 2015.01.29 00:08:29 -
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ImYourMom wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:ImYourMom wrote:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhtRscfsT4TFdGxsUmZZMktDZWpGR0xPazkyaHlTelE#gid=0
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Do i need to say more? is this your vision for eve? Do you think its right that one group is renting out almost 13 regions? what the hell has happened to eve?
Honestly this makes me cry...i can only remember how eve was.... The question is, why did YOU allow this to happen. Where is your Space Army to make this not happen, or do you think EVE is the place where CCP is supposed to do all the heavy lifting for you (rhetorical question, we already know the answer). ll if you think i am gong to go through years of why, what etc and the history of why we got here then I'm not. If you think this is good for eve then you're wrong. This is why eve is dying and will continue to do. Oh well i guess that attitude will bode well when the eve server closes down leaving you and everyone else high and dry and thinking why didn't we do something. and yes it is up to CCP to sort out, they govern the mechanics of the game therefore can change it. Fine lets keep it as is, but create a new instance so that players have an equal opportunity to do the same...
You could have saved a lot of typing had you just typed the word "fallacy" and been done lol.
This post is a fine example of the 'mental gymnastics' people like this to justify their own weakness and inaction. See, actually doing something about the stuff you dislike takes efforts ANDF comes with a chance of failure, so they make up justifications in their minds why 'doing nothing but screaming from the sidelines' is ok.
Say what you will about the craziness of the Gevlon guy, but at the very least he and people like him try to do something about the thing they hate (in his case Goons).
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Solops Crendraven
Solops Inc
73
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Posted - 2015.01.29 00:19:27 -
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Honestly They Should just Get rid of Sovereignty.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9561
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Posted - 2015.01.29 00:22:56 -
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DaReaper wrote:
The mess we are in is a cross between some bad choices on ccp's part, leaving things to fester as they looked at new shiny, and the players adapting to changes in the environment.
Null never allowed small groups unless you were buddies with the bigger guys. It just became easier to kill people due to constellation sov.
IMO the real 'culprit' here, the reason why no matter what system CCP puts into place, is human nature (on 2 fronts). The lesser front is of course people like the OP, the legions upon legions of people who don't like something but can't be arsed to actually doing anything because that might mean failure and you gotta protect that fragile ego. It's always both sad and amusing to see all the people who live in high sec decry the sorry state of a null they coud change if they could bother to cooperate with other Cheetos and Mountain Dew swilling 'solo' nerds.
But the big one is the one CCP never addresses (and probably can't): People choose to cooperate. The standard meme that ALL gamers (and especially null sec folks) are 'anti-social' is a big crappy lie. If the cost of attaining a goal is lower via cooperation than it is via conflict, people will cooperate with each other. They will form large groups till that group attains a size sufficient to deter aggression for other groups (in game we call these alliances and coalitions, in real life we call them America, China, Russia, India etc).
The real truth is that null sec can NEVER be what CCP wanted to be or what people say they want it to be. As much as I like living in the currently flawed null (ratting is easy isk), If I were CCP, i'd delete null and have the game be High Sec, Low Sec and "null- the artist formally known as Wormhole Space". Because wormhole mechanics CAN limit the size of space-empires.
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Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.29 00:23:14 -
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Solops Crendraven wrote:Honestly They Should just Get rid of Sovereignty.
But then there would be no meaningful combat |
Lugia3
The Southern Gentleman's Social Club Operation Pointy Stick
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Posted - 2015.01.29 00:23:46 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:ImYourMom wrote:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhtRscfsT4TFdGxsUmZZMktDZWpGR0xPazkyaHlTelE#gid=0
\http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/verite/20150128.png
Do i need to say more? is this your vision for eve? Do you think its right that one group is renting out almost 13 regions? what the hell has happened to eve?
Honestly this makes me cry...i can only remember how eve was.... The question is, why did YOU allow this to happen. Where is your Space Army to make this not happen, or do you think EVE is the place where CCP is supposed to do all the heavy lifting for you (rhetorical question, we already know the answer).
It's game mechanics 11 years in the making that allow for this kind of singularity to occur. It's why people have been begging CCP to scrap Dominion Sov since it's release. It's why Marlona Sky has suggested exponentially scaling lock times when 300 people are trying to lock one ship. It's why it's impossible for smaller gangs to have any serious affect on larger gangs, regardless of ship size.
It's why sov alliances must blue half the galaxy to have a chance at survival.
"CCP Dolan is full of shit." - CCP Bettik
Remove Sov!
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Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.29 00:25:43 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:
But the big one is the one CCP never addresses (and probably can't): People choose to cooperate. The standard meme that ALL gamers (and especially null sec folks) are 'anti-social' is a big crappy lie. If the cost of attaining a goal is lower via cooperation than it is via conflict, people will cooperate with each other.
Eve Online is a front page for an amazingly fun meta game.
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Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji.
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Posted - 2015.01.29 00:28:27 -
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Hevymetal wrote:And your proposal to fix the current situation of SOV is what exactly?
Exponential sov bills. The more systems you hold, the more expensive each additional system becomes. Problem solved. |
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Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.01.29 00:30:56 -
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Ptraci wrote:Hevymetal wrote:And your proposal to fix the current situation of SOV is what exactly?
Exponential sov bills. The more systems you hold, the more expensive each additional system becomes. Problem solved.
No one would think of creating shell alliances that have executor corps and nothing else to hold whole regions to avoid that extra cost. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9561
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Posted - 2015.01.29 00:40:31 -
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Cancel Align NOW wrote:Ptraci wrote:Hevymetal wrote:And your proposal to fix the current situation of SOV is what exactly?
Exponential sov bills. The more systems you hold, the more expensive each additional system becomes. Problem solved. No one would think of creating shell alliances that have executor corps and nothing else to hold whole regions to avoid that extra cost.
Exactly
I don't know why people can't put a full 3 seconds into critiquing their ideas before posting, because 3 seconds is all it takes to see and idea and realize why it won't work.
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Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy Caldari State
483
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Posted - 2015.01.29 00:45:43 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Cancel Align NOW wrote:Ptraci wrote:Hevymetal wrote:And your proposal to fix the current situation of SOV is what exactly?
Exponential sov bills. The more systems you hold, the more expensive each additional system becomes. Problem solved. No one would think of creating shell alliances that have executor corps and nothing else to hold whole regions to avoid that extra cost. Exactly I don't know why people can't put a full 3 seconds into critiquing their ideas before posting, because 3 seconds is all it takes to see and idea and realize why it won't work. One word.
Subjectivity
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Solops Crendraven
Solops Inc
73
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Posted - 2015.01.29 01:25:58 -
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Cancel Align NOW wrote:Solops Crendraven wrote:Honestly They Should just Get rid of Sovereignty. But then there would be no meaningful combat Of course I want to get rid of Old Sovereign ties and Corps and replace them with the my New Order. It will make my combat so more Meaningful and my Life full of Purpose.
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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
521
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Posted - 2015.01.29 01:37:14 -
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ImYourMom wrote:Rowells wrote:You're free to try and change that if you like. what like you guys? You might be my mom but we're not your personal army.
Reminder: CCP thinks you have no right to your alliance logos.
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Primary This Rifter
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
521
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Posted - 2015.01.29 01:39:16 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Cancel Align NOW wrote:Ptraci wrote:Hevymetal wrote:And your proposal to fix the current situation of SOV is what exactly?
Exponential sov bills. The more systems you hold, the more expensive each additional system becomes. Problem solved. No one would think of creating shell alliances that have executor corps and nothing else to hold whole regions to avoid that extra cost. Exactly I don't know why people can't put a full 3 seconds into critiquing their ideas before posting, because 3 seconds is all it takes to see and idea and realize why it won't work. The thing is, I'm fairly sure I've seen them espouse that idea on at least one prior occasion. Of course it was shot down then as well.
Reminder: CCP thinks you have no right to your alliance logos.
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Warp to Cyno.
4268
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Posted - 2015.01.29 01:41:09 -
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yeah look at those jerks in the middle of the map that's almost twenty whole regions
this is why eve is dying |
Serene Repose
2146
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Posted - 2015.01.29 03:34:52 -
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You're witnessing the truth of human nature - how we managed to survive the predators that wanted to eat us. But, you're seeing it with a fabricated point-of-view - the one that you have to have to feel tough, and special and wild and dangerous when you are in fact none of the above. The fact is, regardless of what you may wish to think, or pretend, in the long run your true nature will mold and shape your reality for you. <--- TL;DR.
We may wish to see ourselves Klingon-like, or like the Mongols, traversing the wilds subduing all those we come across; bending reality to our will by dint of force and ferocity. In truth our species discovered tens of thousands of "years" ago that stabalizing, neutralizing and balancing whole regions of reality is what allows us to raise our offspring in relative safety so they may live to adulthood. It's difficult to imagine something you are not. Fortunately, or unfortunately for the ego end of EVE, you are not of a predatory species. Therefore, actual predatory behavior is not in your genetic memory.
There are those who would argue the contrary citing warfare as the proof. However, these are our indoctrinated members who are unaware, or who choose to ignore, the fact warfare has more to do with business than it does defending democracy, protecting our freedom, or any of the other propaganda-driven excuses used to impel a person to do things they know inside themselves they should not be doing, such as shooting people for flimsy reasons they've been handed by unscrupulous people.
So, if you truly look at this stasis on the EVE map in the light of the facts with regard to human behavior, you'll easily see it's an inevitability, since it's humans playing this game, and it's a perfectly human outcome. If you look at it from the highly-indoctrinated, mythological, and basically false set of beliefs humans today see themselves under, then of course it makes no sense at all - but then, you make no sense to you at all, and your real life makes no sense to you...and you're just hovering on a psychological pretense that smacks of the Sword of Damacles.
TYVM. Have a nice day. Blue donuts are being served in the lobby.
Treason never prospers. What is the reason?
Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
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Altirius Saldiaro
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
282
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Posted - 2015.01.29 04:19:43 -
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ImYourMom wrote:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhtRscfsT4TFdGxsUmZZMktDZWpGR0xPazkyaHlTelE#gid=0
\http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/verite/20150128.png
Do i need to say more? is this your vision for eve? Do you think its right that one group is renting out almost 13 regions? what the hell has happened to eve?
Honestly this makes me cry...i can only remember how eve was....
Renting in nullsec? lol nullsec is boring. Go live in j-space. There's plenty of empty systems to claim for yourself. I come across them all the time. |
Solops Crendraven
Solops Inc
73
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Posted - 2015.01.29 04:33:09 -
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ImYourMom wrote:https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AhtRscfsT4TFdGxsUmZZMktDZWpGR0xPazkyaHlTelE#gid=0
\http://dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/verite/20150128.png
Do i need to say more? is this your vision for eve? Do you think its right that one group is renting out almost 13 regions? what the hell has happened to eve?
Honestly this makes me cry...i can only remember how eve was.... Honestly I never Understood why would a player pay another player to rent a station when players can Squat free anywhere in the Eve Universe.
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ISD Supogo
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2015.01.29 04:42:35 -
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Thread locked.
Quote:Forum rules3. Ranting is prohibited.A rant is a post that is often filled with angry and counterproductive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and is helpful in development of the game and community. Rants are disruptive, and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise and clear manner while avoiding going off on rambling tangents.
ISD Supogo
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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