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Light Sigh No
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.01.30 20:02:58 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Highsec is designed to be vastly safer than lowsec....it's pretty insane to think otherwise. Those two letters are the crux of this whole issue. "Safer" is not the same as "safe". PvP can happen anywhere in EvE from the time you log in until the time you log out. This is by design, and I think it would be to EvE's detriment were to CCP implement actual "PvP-free" zones.
It has already been stated that they intend to remove all combat from highsec (0.5 and above) sometime mid this year. No wardecs, no duels, no ability to attack anyone else. To do that you must go to 0.4 and below. This is the new order of high sec, bears win.
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Orlacc
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Posted - 2015.01.30 20:04:00 -
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Light Sigh No wrote:Bronson Hughes wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Highsec is designed to be vastly safer than lowsec....it's pretty insane to think otherwise. Those two letters are the crux of this whole issue. "Safer" is not the same as "safe". PvP can happen anywhere in EvE from the time you log in until the time you log out. This is by design, and I think it would be to EvE's detriment were to CCP implement actual "PvP-free" zones. It has already been stated that they intend to remove all combat from highsec (0.5 and above) sometime mid this year. No wardecs, no duels, no ability to attack anyone else. To do that you must go to 0.4 and below. This is the new order of high sec, bears win.
good lord where was that stated?? Link please.
"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
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Dsparil Mal
Einstein-Rosen Frontier Holdings Prepare to be Boarded
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Posted - 2015.01.30 20:17:06 -
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Wow. Eve really is turning into WoW. Only problem is, with all the hand-holding EVE is going to be doing, it isn't going to be nearly as fun as WoW.
CCP needs to quite catering to stupid people. Get bent.
Erotica 1 for CSM 9!
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Dsparil Mal
Einstein-Rosen Frontier Holdings Prepare to be Boarded
39
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Posted - 2015.01.30 20:17:54 -
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Light Sigh No wrote:Bronson Hughes wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Highsec is designed to be vastly safer than lowsec....it's pretty insane to think otherwise. Those two letters are the crux of this whole issue. "Safer" is not the same as "safe". PvP can happen anywhere in EvE from the time you log in until the time you log out. This is by design, and I think it would be to EvE's detriment were to CCP implement actual "PvP-free" zones. It has already been stated that they intend to remove all combat from highsec (0.5 and above) sometime mid this year. No wardecs, no duels, no ability to attack anyone else. To do that you must go to 0.4 and below. This is the new order of high sec, bears win.
if that happens I will be leaving EVE. That is what made this game fun. I have ZERO interest in nullsec pvp and low sec piracy is at an all time low. This sucks too. I put a lot of effort and work in to this game, especially with six accounts. Oh well. All good things come to an end I guess.
Erotica 1 for CSM 9!
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Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
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Posted - 2015.01.30 20:24:40 -
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Light Sigh No wrote:Bronson Hughes wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Highsec is designed to be vastly safer than lowsec....it's pretty insane to think otherwise. Those two letters are the crux of this whole issue. "Safer" is not the same as "safe". PvP can happen anywhere in EvE from the time you log in until the time you log out. This is by design, and I think it would be to EvE's detriment were to CCP implement actual "PvP-free" zones. It has already been stated that they intend to remove all combat from highsec (0.5 and above) sometime mid this year. No wardecs, no duels, no ability to attack anyone else. To do that you must go to 0.4 and below. This is the new order of high sec, bears win. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
Or, in layman's terms, link or it didn't happen.
If CCP really does remove all combat from hisec they will effectively kill the game. I wouldn't keep playing, and neither would many of the folks I know.
My Many Misadventures
Reading Comprehension: so important it deserves it's own skillbook.
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Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy Caldari State
523
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Posted - 2015.01.30 20:54:43 -
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Light Sigh No wrote:It has already been stated that they intend to remove all combat from highsec (0.5 and above) sometime mid this year. No wardecs, no duels, no ability to attack anyone else. To do that you must go to 0.4 and below. This is the new order of high sec, bears win. Citation needed.
If this ever comes to pass it will show that CCP learnt precisely jack from Incarna gate in 2011, and probably kill their reputation, credibility and future as developers.
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Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY F0RCED ENTRY.
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Posted - 2015.01.30 21:12:06 -
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Light Sigh No wrote:Bronson Hughes wrote:Veers Belvar wrote:Highsec is designed to be vastly safer than lowsec....it's pretty insane to think otherwise. Those two letters are the crux of this whole issue. "Safer" is not the same as "safe". PvP can happen anywhere in EvE from the time you log in until the time you log out. This is by design, and I think it would be to EvE's detriment were to CCP implement actual "PvP-free" zones. It has already been stated that they intend to remove all combat from highsec (0.5 and above) sometime mid this year. No wardecs, no duels, no ability to attack anyone else. To do that you must go to 0.4 and below. This is the new order of high sec, bears win.
Is this like some super secret CSM winter minutes info? |
Interfectorem Tacet
Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo
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Posted - 2015.01.30 21:19:55 -
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Light Sigh No wrote:
It has already been stated that they intend to remove all combat from highsec (0.5 and above) sometime mid this year. No wardecs, no duels, no ability to attack anyone else. To do that you must go to 0.4 and below. This is the new order of high sec, bears win.
Link please or are you just trolling for effect? |
Orlacc
765
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Posted - 2015.01.30 21:30:44 -
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Interfectorem Tacet wrote:Light Sigh No wrote:
It has already been stated that they intend to remove all combat from highsec (0.5 and above) sometime mid this year. No wardecs, no duels, no ability to attack anyone else. To do that you must go to 0.4 and below. This is the new order of high sec, bears win.
Link please or are you just trolling for effect?
Spring release is called "Trammel." Need more proof?
"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
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Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY F0RCED ENTRY.
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Posted - 2015.01.30 21:37:48 -
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Orlacc wrote:Interfectorem Tacet wrote:Light Sigh No wrote:
It has already been stated that they intend to remove all combat from highsec (0.5 and above) sometime mid this year. No wardecs, no duels, no ability to attack anyone else. To do that you must go to 0.4 and below. This is the new order of high sec, bears win.
Link please or are you just trolling for effect? Spring release is called "Trammel." Need more proof?
Im sure there will be a summer release entitled "Carebear". |
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Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy Caldari State
524
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Posted - 2015.01.30 22:01:44 -
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Solonius Rex wrote:Orlacc wrote:Interfectorem Tacet wrote:Light Sigh No wrote:
It has already been stated that they intend to remove all combat from highsec (0.5 and above) sometime mid this year. No wardecs, no duels, no ability to attack anyone else. To do that you must go to 0.4 and below. This is the new order of high sec, bears win.
Link please or are you just trolling for effect? Spring release is called "Trammel." Need more proof? Im sure there will be a summer release entitled "Carebear". Followed by a winter release named Terminus
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Alana Charen-Teng
The Stars Like Dust
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Posted - 2015.01.30 22:07:04 -
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I are sad you takey away my awox.
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Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY F0RCED ENTRY.
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Posted - 2015.01.31 01:43:44 -
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Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:Solonius Rex wrote:Orlacc wrote:Interfectorem Tacet wrote:Light Sigh No wrote:
It has already been stated that they intend to remove all combat from highsec (0.5 and above) sometime mid this year. No wardecs, no duels, no ability to attack anyone else. To do that you must go to 0.4 and below. This is the new order of high sec, bears win.
Link please or are you just trolling for effect? Spring release is called "Trammel." Need more proof? Im sure there will be a summer release entitled "Carebear". Followed by a winter release named Terminus
Nah, thats the fall release. Winter release will be named "Hello kitty space adventure". |
Ned Thomas
Hellbound Turkeys Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects
712
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Posted - 2015.01.31 01:49:58 -
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Something that will be hilarious: people who join corps with FF turned off and people who recruit with FF turned off who will legitimately think "well at least I'm safe from my corpmates now"
And for the love of god, no, there has been no mention of removing all combat from highsec and making it 100% safe. Stop feeding the troll, guys.
Vote Sabriz!
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Drez Arthie
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.01.31 05:23:10 -
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Quote:It has already been stated that they intend to remove all combat from highsec (0.5 and above) sometime mid this year. No wardecs, no duels, no ability to attack anyone else. To do that you must go to 0.4 and below. This is the new order of high sec, bears win.
That's hard to believe. Maybe it was 0.8 and above or something .. and only a far-fetched proposal at that? |
Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY F0RCED ENTRY.
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Posted - 2015.01.31 06:34:58 -
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Drez Arthie wrote:Quote:It has already been stated that they intend to remove all combat from highsec (0.5 and above) sometime mid this year. No wardecs, no duels, no ability to attack anyone else. To do that you must go to 0.4 and below. This is the new order of high sec, bears win. That's hard to believe. Maybe it was 0.8 and above or something .. and only a far-fetched proposal at that? Even .8 is hard to believe. Id say 1.0, since they contain the newbie systems. Im not aware of any non-newbie 1.0 systems, though. But it would still make the most sense. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2657
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Posted - 2015.01.31 07:01:04 -
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Solonius Rex wrote:Drez Arthie wrote:Quote:It has already been stated that they intend to remove all combat from highsec (0.5 and above) sometime mid this year. No wardecs, no duels, no ability to attack anyone else. To do that you must go to 0.4 and below. This is the new order of high sec, bears win. That's hard to believe. Maybe it was 0.8 and above or something .. and only a far-fetched proposal at that? Even .8 is hard to believe. Id say 1.0, since they contain the newbie systems. Im not aware of any non-newbie 1.0 systems, though. But it would still make the most sense. There are plenty. In fact, Amarr is a really good example of one.
I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
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Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
938
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Posted - 2015.01.31 10:51:47 -
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Personally I think the threat of awoxing is just counterproductive to the promotion of what eve is all about: community.
If you're so worried as a recruiter that you simply cannot recruit x person because of the threat of an awox then you limit your choices immensely and you miss out on potentially great corp members.
The high end corporate espionage should and will exist, that requires effort and months, even years, of planning.
But joining a corp and then shooting someone requires little to no effort, thus should be removed to encourage community. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
2662
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Posted - 2015.01.31 10:54:50 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:Personally I think the threat of awoxing is just counterproductive to the promotion of what eve is all about: community.
If you're so worried as a recruiter that you simply cannot recruit x person because of the threat of an awox then you limit your choices immensely and you miss out on potentially great corp members.
The high end corporate espionage should and will exist, that requires effort and months, even years, of planning.
But joining a corp and then shooting someone requires little to no effort, thus should be removed to encourage community. So awoxing is this big great danger to recruitment, but war spies aren't?
I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
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Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
938
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Posted - 2015.01.31 11:00:21 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:Personally I think the threat of awoxing is just counterproductive to the promotion of what eve is all about: community.
If you're so worried as a recruiter that you simply cannot recruit x person because of the threat of an awox then you limit your choices immensely and you miss out on potentially great corp members.
The high end corporate espionage should and will exist, that requires effort and months, even years, of planning.
But joining a corp and then shooting someone requires little to no effort, thus should be removed to encourage community. So awoxing is this big great danger to recruitment, but war spies aren't?
war spies you cant stop with mechanics, awoxing you can.
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
178
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Posted - 2015.01.31 11:20:25 -
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Concord Guy's Cousin wrote: The difference between me and carebears is
Everyone is a carebear, the guys pointing at others, are usualy the biggest.
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Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.01.31 11:35:15 -
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La Rynx wrote:Concord Guy's Cousin wrote: The difference between me and carebears is
Everyone is a carebear, the guys pointing at others, are usualy the biggest. Your definition of carebear must be incredibly warped.
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
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Posted - 2015.01.31 11:44:10 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Tsukino Stareine wrote:Personally I think the threat of awoxing is just counterproductive to the promotion of what eve is all about: community.
If you're so worried as a recruiter that you simply cannot recruit x person because of the threat of an awox then you limit your choices immensely and you miss out on potentially great corp members.
The high end corporate espionage should and will exist, that requires effort and months, even years, of planning.
But joining a corp and then shooting someone requires little to no effort, thus should be removed to encourage community. So awoxing is this big great danger to recruitment, but war spies aren't? war spies you cant stop with mechanics, awoxing you can. So we should consider the validity of gameplay elements based on whether or not they're mechanical in nature, and not by their effects? Let's see, this will be a bit arbitrary, but bear with me:
Awoxing: performed by a relatively small amount of players, responsible for <1% of kills in high-sec, prevents new players from joining corporations due to mistrust to a low/moderate degree.
Wars: performed by a relatively small amount of players, responsible for maybe ~50% of kills in high-sec, prevent new and old players from joining corporations due to mistrust to a very significant degree, both due to spying, and due to violence.
CCP's reasoning for removing awoxing is prevention of new players from joining corporations due to mistrust. CCP and the community think that few people would be "negatively" affected by this change.
And yet, they aren't removing wars, despite the fact that the reason applied to the removal of awoxing is much more applicable to wars.
Why?
I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
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Drez Arthie
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2015.01.31 13:18:33 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:CCP's reasoning for removing awoxing is prevention of new players from joining corporations due to mistrust. CCP and the community think that few people would be "negatively" affected by this change.
And yet, they aren't removing wars, despite the fact that the reason applied to the removal of awoxing is much more applicable to wars.
Why?
Awoxing isn't removed, it's just limited to the time between when you start killing and a director or CEO comes online and flips the CONCORD switch.
Also, CCP did change war mechanics in allowing allies to join. |
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
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Posted - 2015.01.31 14:30:06 -
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Drez Arthie wrote:Awoxing isn't removed, it's just limited to the time between when you start killing and a director or CEO comes online and flips the CONCORD switch. The switch will be on by default, and there will be a 24-hour corp-wide notification/cooldown period when it's flipped on. It's not removed, it's just marginalized to such an extent that this specific method of doing it will be negated.
Drez Arthie wrote:Also, CCP did change war mechanics in allowing allies to join. And?
I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:
https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
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Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
938
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Posted - 2015.01.31 15:27:13 -
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how would you fix wars?
Fix for awoxing is an easy one, just because of the magnitude of what it fixes is small doesn't mean it's insignificant. |
Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy Caldari State
534
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Posted - 2015.01.31 15:45:41 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:how would you fix wars? That's an entirely different topic, and a contentious one at that.
Quote:Fix for awoxing is an easy one, just because of the magnitude of what it fixes is small doesn't mean it's insignificant. You're right the fix for awoxing is easy, be careful who you recruit, background check them thoroughly and don't give them roles straight off the bat.
None of the recruiters that fell victim to Psychotic Monks awoxing shenanigans noticed that the alts he was using had an easily accessible history of killing corp mates, a string of medals with apt and pithy titles extorted from previous corps prior to leaving or the clear references to awoxing in their bio's.
It didn't need CCP to add a switch to turn intracorp aggression in hisec on and off.
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Orlacc
767
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Posted - 2015.01.31 15:53:31 -
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Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:La Rynx wrote:Concord Guy's Cousin wrote: The difference between me and carebears is
Everyone is a carebear, the guys pointing at others, are usualy the biggest. Your definition of carebear must be incredibly warped.
Yes indeed. As someone who was already old when the term began to be used, it means PVE folks who are risk averse and certainly are against any form of PvP. Many have names like Moonrise Swordmaker or such. Many in RL wear Birkenstocks with socks.
"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
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Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy Caldari State
534
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Posted - 2015.01.31 15:59:15 -
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Orlacc wrote:Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:La Rynx wrote:Concord Guy's Cousin wrote: The difference between me and carebears is
Everyone is a carebear, the guys pointing at others, are usualy the biggest. Your definition of carebear must be incredibly warped. Yes indeed. As someone who was already old when the term began to be used, it means PVE folks who are risk averse and certainly are against any form of PvP. Many have names like Moonrise Swordmaker or such. Many in RL wear Birkenstocks with socks. Sandals and socks? That's a fashion faux-pas unless you're old enough to claim a pension.
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Drez Arthie
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2015.01.31 16:04:39 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote: The [corp CONCORD] switch will be on by default, and there will be a 24-hour corp-wide notification/cooldown period when it's flipped on. It's not removed, it's just marginalized to such an extent that this specific method of doing it will be negated.
Well then develop new methods. Isn't player innovation what makes EVE interesting? |
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