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Kruel
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Posted - 2006.09.27 17:15:00 -
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Just curious, I imagine it can be done, but by what ships?
I could see maybe a battleship being able to tank the damage of gate sentries, but what battleships?
Also, could you do it with an inty/af by keeping transversal high?
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Grim Fantago
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Posted - 2006.09.27 17:27:00 -
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i have heard that Ferox can perma-tank sentries. More than one ferox could do it with ease.
And, no, you cant do that in inty/af or other fast ship. Sentries will get you .. fast .. very fast.
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Narciss Sevar
Caldari Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.09.27 17:53:00 -
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I believe certain command ships if not all can perma tank sentrys solo, most other ships would either need very high skills, faction mods or both. The easiest way is to do it en masse. ----
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Blind Man
Caldari 0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.09.27 18:54:00 -
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BS might with lots of faction stuff
absolution/sleip can do it with faction mods.
basicly it depends how much you are willing to spend, with the nerf of the gist b complex the b type xlarges are so expensive you may as well buy an x type
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Deja Thoris
Revelations Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.27 18:58:00 -
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Originally by: Kruel
Also, could you do it with an inty/af by keeping transversal high?
No, sentries cheat and have no tracking issues.
Originally by: Clementina
If you bug report it, you get ignored. If you post about it on the forums, you get banned. If you exploit it, you get rich.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.09.27 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Deja Thoris
No, sentries cheat and have no tracking issues.
Too bad really... it would be fun to try to dodge their fire with a smaller ship...
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Tobias Sjodin
Caldari Ore Mongers Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.27 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Originally by: Deja Thoris
No, sentries cheat and have no tracking issues.
Too bad really... it would be fun to try to dodge their fire with a smaller ship...
I agree. It would be cool, up to the moment you doubleclick in the wrong direction, do a 180, lose your transversal, and go "Pop!" :)
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Samirol
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2006.09.27 20:59:00 -
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with my domi, i can tank as long as i have cap charges, i am sure if i scrapped all the mod for cap recharger IIs and all my lows dedicated to tanking, it could work signature removed - please email us to find out why - Jacques |
Majin82
Caldari Arkhangelos Alliance Naval Intelligence Arkhangelos Command
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Posted - 2006.09.27 21:18:00 -
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My firend has a Nighthawk that can tank sentries with easy. Once his sheilds hit 70% they don't move past it. I guess a properly fitted Ferox might be able to pull it off. ------------------------------------- AANI ARCH |
Scoundrelus
The Black Fleet Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.27 21:53:00 -
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My Sacrilege can perma tank sentries. ===============================================
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Tibullus
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Posted - 2006.09.28 00:15:00 -
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Edited by: Tibullus on 28/09/2006 00:16:36 EDIT 1: I kept all the mods tech 1 and added a WCS because this is high-risk and there is no point losing a Dominix to the first battleship that enters the system just because of some pirate machismo about not fitting WCS.
This is something I was thinking about.
Invest in a boatload of Cap Booster 800 charges. Get a alt or second account in a hauler and drop them off in a jet can. Place your main's BS near the jet can and scoop 800s as needed to sustain your tank. Use the alt to pick up the loot.
The Domi set-up I had in mind but have yet to try out was:
Dominix
Dual 250mm Railgun I Dual 250mm Railgun I 250mm Railgun I 250mm Railgun I 250mm Railgun I 250mm Railgun I
Heavy Capacitor Booster I Heavy Capacitor Booster I Sensor Booster I Sensor Booster I Warp Disruptor I
Large Armor Repairer I Large Armor Repairer I Armor EM Hardener I Armor Kinetic Hardener I Armor Thermic Hardener I Armor Explosive Hardener I Warp Core Stabilizer I
4812 shield, 7.08/s, E/T/K/Ex=0/20/40/60 5962 armor, E/T/K/Ex=80/67/67/55 4800.0 cap, +18.02/s, -90.983/s 144.0 m/s
It's a really rough set-up and I haven't completely thought it through. But maybe some reader's of this thread could help out? (hint hint)
The problem is that this piracy will cost you by the minute, but ideally you should be making enough profit from haulers to clear the initial investment in 800s. |
Scoundrelus
The Black Fleet Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.28 00:16:00 -
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Originally by: Tibullus
Warp Core Stabilizer I
You now lose credibility. ===============================================
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Tibullus
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Posted - 2006.09.28 00:19:00 -
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Edited by: Tibullus on 28/09/2006 00:19:40 Edited by: Tibullus on 28/09/2006 00:18:56 EDIT 1: profanity EDIT 2: spelling
Originally by: Scoundrelus
Originally by: Tibullus
Warp Core Stabilizer I
You now lose credibility.
/me swings e-peen in a broad circular motion.
Do I get it back now?
How about throwing me a bone and suggesting a better set-up?
By the way I edited the post just before you posted your response, so apologies for that. As soon as I finished editing I saw your response . |
Skoodwask
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Posted - 2006.09.28 00:20:00 -
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Edited by: Skoodwask on 28/09/2006 00:23:09 Edited by: Skoodwask on 28/09/2006 00:21:10 A ship that can perma tank sentries eh. Domi
5 cap recharger t2's 2 large armor rep t2's kin,therm, exp t2 hardeners. 2 t2 energized adaptive nanos
High cap skills and high tanking skills.
I believe with 5/5 cap skills you can take on cap charger off for a scram.... This setup perma tanks but Isn't good for gate camping.
And no a ferox can't perma tank sentries. Also if you use cap boosters It's not considered a perma tank.
Easily perma tank setup
The secret is out!
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Gift
Amarr Loot
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Posted - 2006.09.28 00:29:00 -
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Edited by: Gift on 28/09/2006 00:29:33
Originally by: Scoundrelus
Originally by: Tibullus
Warp Core Stabilizer I
You now lose credibility.
I don't see why, everyone in eve seems to use the damn things.
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Tibullus
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Posted - 2006.09.28 00:38:00 -
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Edited by: Tibullus on 28/09/2006 00:39:42 EDIT 1: Forgot to mention nice set-up, only 15 days of training before my main can fly that.
Originally by: Skoodwask Edited by: Skoodwask on 28/09/2006 00:23:09 Edited by: Skoodwask on 28/09/2006 00:21:10 A ship that can perma tank sentries eh. Domi
5 cap recharger t2's 2 large armor rep t2's kin,therm, exp t2 hardeners. 2 t2 energized adaptive nanos
High cap skills and high tanking skills.
I believe with 5/5 cap skills you can take on cap charger off for a scram.... This setup perma tanks but Isn't good for gate camping.
And no a ferox can't perma tank sentries. Also if you use cap boosters It's not considered a perma tank.
Easily perma tank setup
The secret is out!
It can be done, but if you lose that you're looking at a 100mil loss. Gate camping is so dull that it's practically mining - it needs to be economically viable.
The flipside is that perhaps in won't be so dull if you've got 100mil riding in your ship.
I understand your point about perma-tanking. Whilst the cap boosters may be cheating, I still think it's an idea worth giving some thought to. |
Skoodwask
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Posted - 2006.09.28 00:44:00 -
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Originally by: Tibullus
It can be done, but if you lose that you're looking at a 100mil loss. Gate camping is so dull that it's practically mining - it needs to be economically viable.
The flipside is that perhaps in won't be so dull if you've got 100mil riding in your ship.
I understand your point about perma-tanking. Whilst the cap boosters may be cheating, I still think it's an idea worth giving some thought to.
Hmm If you want to use cap boosters It can be done more easily. But you still need the t2 reps.
I don't have quick fit here right now so if this doesnt fit don't blame me just restrict the guns some.
7 dual 250mm rails 1 electrochemical booster with 800 charges 2 sensor boosters 2 20km scrams 2 t2 large reps, exp kin therm hardeners 2 energized adaptive nano's.
the t2 reps are a 33% tank increase its quite significant. with High cap skills only 1 cap booster is needed since you won't need to run both reps forever. You can run 1 peramantly and just flip the other on and off.
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Tibullus
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Posted - 2006.09.28 00:52:00 -
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Awesome, I'll try that out when I have the time.
Yeah my main has cap skills 5/5 and maxed fitting skills so I will need to nerf the guns to fit the reppers and the cap booster. But do you think two sensor boosters will be enough to catch a hauler jumping in unawares?
Cheers for your input. I'm going to stop hijacking and see if there are any other fittings for perma-tanks. |
Skoodwask
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Posted - 2006.09.28 00:55:00 -
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Originally by: Tibullus Awesome, I'll try that out when I have the time.
Yeah my main has cap skills 5/5 and maxed fitting skills so I will need to nerf the guns to fit the reppers and the cap booster. But do you think two sensor boosters will be enough to catch a hauler jumping in unawares?
Cheers for your input. I'm going to stop hijacking and see if there are any other fittings for perma-tanks.
TBH no probably not. Bs's just take to damned long to lock. Thats why gate camping in a few ferox's works much better.
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Aeaus
Tharsis Security
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Posted - 2006.09.28 02:29:00 -
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Just to note. A BS is a better option then a BC for solo camping, a brave enemy will probably shred your tank in addition to the sentries power.
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tiller
Beer and Kebabs Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.28 05:13:00 -
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Lots of ships can be fitted for this but you won't be able to tackle or do good dmg making the whole thing pointless.
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Stigee
FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.28 05:29:00 -
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I used to this with a Raven. Can easily permatank the sentries. Its harder to do without faction stuff but properly cycling your booster will make it possible. Even 5/10 complex rats hit harder than sentries do. Also hacs should be able to permatank them. Atleast Ishtar.
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Tobias Sjodin
Caldari Ore Mongers Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2006.09.28 06:44:00 -
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Originally by: Gift Edited by: Gift on 28/09/2006 00:29:33
Originally by: Scoundrelus
Originally by: Tibullus
Warp Core Stabilizer I
You now lose credibility.
I don't see why, everyone in eve seems to use the damn things.
I don't.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.09.28 08:32:00 -
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Pretty sure a faction-tanked CNR could tank sentries forever, but the only trick would be getting your cap regen high enough.
Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Laythun
Undercover Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.28 09:44:00 -
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i do this with a geddon, i guess i could tank indef but well...
Geddon
7 Dual HP II's
Scram, Web, Cap booster
2xLAR II, 3 EAN II, 2 HS II, CAP relay
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Cuebick
Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.09.28 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: Laythun i do this with a geddon, i guess i could tank indef but well...
Geddon
7 Dual HP II's
Scram, Web, Cap booster
2xLAR II, 3 EAN II, 2 HS II, CAP relay
Thats not a perma tank because the cap won't hold both reppers on forever.
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DarkElf
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.09.28 14:22:00 -
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Edited by: DarkElf on 28/09/2006 14:22:18 Agreed. please understand ppl that any battleships and many battlecruisers can tank sentry guns with cap boosters but a perma sentry tank is surprisingly when u can sustain the tank permanently.
The domi shown above sounds about right. also apoc can do it quite simlilar but with a cap relay in lows as well
passive shield tanked caldari command ships can do it. scorp can also do it quite easily with a full passive shield tank setup.
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Kruel
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Posted - 2006.09.28 15:53:00 -
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I noticed a lot of these setups use cap boosters, not exactly a permatank.
Also, are cap rechargerIIs in the game? I thought they weren't available yet.
I wonder if a passive tanked Raven or Scorp could do the trick. Hmmm, passive tanked Domi even? Plenty of ships can tank sentries, but only until they run out of cap.
I suppose an Ishtar would be good due to the crazy resists you can slap on it.
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DarkElf
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2006.09.28 16:01:00 -
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Originally by: Gift
Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
Originally by: Gift Edited by: Gift on 28/09/2006 00:29:33
Originally by: Scoundrelus
Originally by: Tibullus
Warp Core Stabilizer I
You now lose credibility.
I don't see why, everyone in eve seems to use the damn things.
I don't.
Of course you do, youre a pirate. All pirates fit wcs's on all ships at all times. Atleast thats what the forums tell me.
I do hope i'm sensing sarcasm in this post of ur very much mistaken. the majority of stab monkeys are the ratters and complexers that are the victims. in my experience very few proper pirates/pvp'ers use stabs.
Also yes cap recharger II's are in game and have been for some time. although at the moment they are rather expensive at about 23mil each last time i checked
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spRAYed
Pre-nerfed Tactics
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Posted - 2006.09.28 17:09:00 -
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Dominix with 1 Large rep can do it. I hit my 2nd rep if its needed for other ships shooting me.
Thats with 1 adaptive nano, and 3 tech II hardeners +1600 plate. Large Accommo's and not tech II. Tech II fittings suck. Not worth the small difference. ------------------------------
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