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Julianus Soter
Moira. Villore Accords
257
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Posted - 2015.02.13 01:56:14 -
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As it it appears evident that numerous pilots remain confused about my position, I will tell you a story. During today's combat operation, after an alliance-wide operational briefing, we encountered four Circadian Seekers, flying in formation, directly adjacent to our fleet of Thrasher-Class destroyers. Although they were perfectly within our weapons range, I gave the order to hold fire.
This was because I know that it is unwise to engage these vessels without a comprehensive solution to the problem. What I am asking, what this petition is asking, is for a proposal from the Federation, our chosen Empire where we lend our support, to provide us this kind of guidance. We need a comprehensive solution to the infiltration of sovereign territory so we can remove the possible threat that the Seekers provide. If that involves diplomatic or scientific operations, then we shall do that. If it involves gunfire, our pilots stand ready to provide the necessary firepower.
Moira. Corporation CEO, Executor, Villore Accords, @Julianus_Soter
https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99001634/
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Zenariae
Little Butterfly Enterprises
181
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Posted - 2015.02.13 03:29:41 -
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Mr Soter, Sir, and others here, I don't wish to poke my nose into Federation politics or tell you what to do but I would like to support a peaceful yet vigilant approach to the Circadian Seekers until much more is known about them and how they behave. As an explorer I've been scanned many times observing the drones and the unidentified structures located across the cluster and have not felt overtly threatened. Uneasy, yes, but nothing would have suggested to me that their behaviour was aggressive.
Hostilities can easily arise due to misunderstandings and poor communication, our histories demonstrate that clearly and what you deem an infiltration of sovereign territory may also be derived from misunderstanding. We do not know whjat they understand of our cultures. They may be unaware that they have threatened empire security as we see it. The unidentified structures for all we know may have been there since times before our empires and are now malfunctioning as a result of incidents related to Caroline's Star. The seekers may simply be caretaker drones responding to faulty systems and are gathering data in the same manner a repair technician would before initiating reparative works. Perhaps these structures have even protected us in some ways that we are unaware of? I'm not actively involved in any Seeker discussion, I'm not a scientist or an academic, but these are the kinds of questions I feel need to be discussed before pre-emptive actions of any kind are taken.
An aggressive approach may alert other and as yet unknown entities in what might lead to great atrocities upon people. Until we know definitively that the Seekers mean us harm wouldn't it be prudent to exercise restraint, learn and be at least on negotiating terms rather than face a hostile enemy unwilling to talk to you? As has been mentioned elsewhere, many people's lives and families are potentially at great risk. An animal will not soil its own den as to be unliveable.
My travel diary
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1630
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Posted - 2015.02.13 13:38:15 -
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Jennifer Starfall wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Oh, sweet Maker.
Gallenteans are proposing to genocide seekers, and some moron is telling it was ME who are fanatic. Please stop this idiocy. Ms. Kim, Mr. Renvolint, let's not devolve this with name calling. We have managed to almost reach a rational discourse on the matter. Let's not ruin that. Ms. Kim, have you spent much if any time in anoikis? If you have, you'd have to agree about the grave potential threat that the Sleepers pose. Let's also not forget Caroline's Star and it's apparent, if only coincidental, connection to the escalation of Seeker behavior. We need to be prepared for the worst. As an experienced soldier, you know that a proper defense requires preparation. If we need to defend ourselves, baseliners, and whatever it is that we cherish from an assault by the Sleepers, we need to be prepared before such an attack occurs. That being said, you have a valid point. We are not able to communicate with them. The prudent course of action is to continue attempts to communicate with and understand them while we prepare ourselves for the worst. Surely, we can agree on that? Now, is this a course that is best pursued in the fashion of a mob, each organization haring down it's own path where they will inevitably collide and conflict with each other? Or do we recognize the importance of this cause and cooperate together? Are we capable of such cooperation? Recent actions, such as operations against Nauplius' towers and the escort of the Arcology convoy would say we are. Look past who started this discussion and what agenda he may've had, and focus on the cause. Ms. Starfall, please excuse me, I never was in Anoikis, but I am positively sure that those, who live in these system come only to destroy and pillage Sleeper structures to "disassemble" them into construction materials. Those, who come in that space are the agressors, not sleepers. I can say, that if I were a sleeper, I would want to kill all capsuleers for sure now. And that they aren't doing it... maybe they are more humane than us?
As for Caroline's star, I don't think we should add it here, as it remains only hypothesis that we can neither prove nor refute so far.
While these sleeper remain potential threat to survival of our species, we currently have now at hand two pretty much real threats: Sansha Nation and Gallente Federation. I recommend concentrating forces on dealing with these two first. |
Tabris Katz
New Moon Harvesters
26
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Posted - 2015.02.13 14:43:32 -
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Ms. Kim,
I find myself agreeing with part of what you have said. I agree that we must be vigilant with sleepers but should not let them distract us form the real threats to New Eden. I don't agree with your opinions about the Federation but Sansha's Nation, Guristas, Angel Cartel, Serpentis, and the Blood Raiders (especially those blood crazed freaks) are the true threats. Those threats should be our number one priority. |
Jennifer Starfall
Repracor Industries
51
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Posted - 2015.02.13 14:44:54 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Ms. Starfall, please excuse me, I never was in Anoikis, but I am positively sure that those, who live in these system come only to destroy and pillage Sleeper structures to "disassemble" them into construction materials. Those, who come in that space are the agressors, not sleepers. I can say, that if I were a sleeper, I would want to kill all capsuleers for sure now. And that they aren't doing it... maybe they are more humane than us?
As for Caroline's star, I don't think we should add it here, as it remains only hypothesis that we can neither prove nor refute so far.
While these sleeper remain potential threat to survival of our species, we currently have now at hand two pretty much real threats: Sansha Nation and Gallente Federation. I recommend concentrating forces on dealing with these two first.
You've been silent here for several days, so I'll assume you've been away. Once you're able to catch up, you'll see that my stance on this issue has changed somewhat.
While I remain concerned about future potential conflicts, I feel that several people have made valid points. A greater need of understanding, whether that leads to peace or better preparedness for a future conflict, is needed. One of the outcomes that I hope to see come out of the Fourth Seyllin Conference is that better understanding.
I saw that you had previously expressed an interest in presenting at the conference. I would encourage you to submit your proposal to present and actively contribute to that greater understanding. You can find information in the article linked in my signature.
Jennifer Starfall
Media & Communications
Repracor Industries
The Fourth Seyllin Conference
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1300
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Posted - 2015.02.17 13:46:39 -
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The cloaks on the structures have worn off. They're massive towers.
And wormholes have begun appearing, with sleepr structures outside of them. Jovian battleships have been spotted near these and open fire without provocation when approached.
So much for the pacifists claiming these things are peaceful. This demands a response, from all our governments. CONCORD needs to start doing its job. |
Jennifer Starfall
Repracor Industries
59
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Posted - 2015.02.17 14:03:49 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:The cloaks on the structures have worn off. They're massive towers.
And wormholes have begun appearing, with sleepr structures outside of them. Jovian battleships have been spotted near these and open fire without provocation when approached.
So much for the pacifists claiming these things are peaceful. This demands a response, from all our governments. CONCORD needs to start doing its job.
Samira, did you witness the aggression directly, or is this second hand? In either case, please send me what details you can. This is disturbing news.
Jennifer Starfall
Media & Communications
Repracor Industries
The Fourth Seyllin Conference
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1300
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Posted - 2015.02.17 14:06:10 -
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I edited a link in to that post. Your own corp member approached in a logistics vessel, with no weapons and all drones in bay. She was chased down and destroyed. |
Aelisha
Achura-Waschi Exchange Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
477
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Posted - 2015.02.17 14:09:08 -
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AWEX- would appreciate any information regarding the behaviour and extent to which these 'Drifters' roam from their entry wormholes. Additionally, a negotiable reward will be available for any unique items resulting from the destruction and salvage of these interlopers.
Please contact me via evemail if you have substantiated findings to share, or wish to negotiate on the sale of salvaged technology.
CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange
Intaki Reborn
Independent Capsuleer
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Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
532
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Posted - 2015.02.17 14:10:54 -
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These things (people?) are clearly Jovian in nature. Images are coming in of the few that have been shot down, and they possess the characteristic hairlessness and extreme augmentation.
Also, the characteristic cutting through battleships like butter with a hot knife. It seems less has changed in a hundred years than we might have hoped. |
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1300
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Posted - 2015.02.17 14:15:04 -
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http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/concord-assembly-places-genesis-fleet-and-ded-on-high-alert/ |
Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
411
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Posted - 2015.02.17 15:42:54 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:The cloaks on the structures have worn off. They're massive towers. And wormholes have begun appearing, with sleeper structures outside of them. Jovian battleships have been spotted near these and open fire without provocation when approached. So much for the pacifists claiming these things are peaceful. This demands a response, from all our governments. CONCORD needs to start doing its job.
To be fair, these new Jovians don't seem to be directly linked to the Circadian Seekers.
That said, if we had seen more action and less hand wringing we would be more prepared to respond to these Drifters. |
Aria Jenneth
Perkone Caldari State
213
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Posted - 2015.02.17 15:47:57 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:To be fair, these new Jovians don't seem to be directly linked to the Circadian Seekers.
That said, if we had seen more action and less hand wringing we would be more prepared to respond to these Drifters. I ... don't know much about this, but ...
This doesn't seem to follow.
If you were acting against the wrong targets, how would you be more prepared?
Also, is now the time to assign blame?
This is only me saying this, but maybe Eran had the right idea.
Eran Mintor wrote:I suggest people act with their heads and not off raw emotion. |
Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
411
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Posted - 2015.02.17 16:02:11 -
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Over and over again people make the mistake of assuming that "taking action" can mean nothing other than "everyone shoot the Sleepers!"
Even when people like Soter and I clarify over and over that we were not advocating that course of action, nor were we taking such action ourselves.
Now these structures have been revealed, although their purpose remains in question. CONCORD is on a "High Alert" which should have happened months ago. What good are they?
It is past time for the Federation to act independently of CONCORD and marshal a response to this threat. |
Aria Jenneth
Perkone Caldari State
213
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Posted - 2015.02.17 16:14:08 -
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Rinai Vero wrote:Over and over again people make the mistake of assuming that "taking action" can mean nothing other than "everyone shoot the Sleepers!"
Even when people like Soter and I clarify over and over that we were not advocating that course of action, nor were we taking such action ourselves.
Julianus Soter wrote:Capsuleers and the Empires must unite and defeat the Sleeper presence inside New Eden, and prevent this situation from spiraling out of control before it is too late.
Might need more than a clarification.
But don't argue with me I'm stuck in a station I can spare the time you can't there's a crisis on do something. |
Xadiran
Moira. Villore Accords
20
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Posted - 2015.02.17 16:15:10 -
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Petitions and politics aside, these Drifters don't seem to be identifying themselves as Jovian, which is odd on it's own.
Like Rinai said, there is no evidence they are associated with the sleepers, and those ships are unlike any Jovian design we have seen.
There are a lot of questions that need answering |
Aria Jenneth
Perkone Caldari State
213
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Posted - 2015.02.17 16:19:23 -
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Xadiran wrote:... these Drifters don't seem to be identifying themselves as Jovian, which is odd on it's own. Are they communicating? |
Aria Jenneth
Perkone Caldari State
213
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Posted - 2015.02.17 16:29:53 -
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Due to focus shift, suggest moving Drifter intel/coordination/discussion here. |
Xadiran
Moira. Villore Accords
20
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Posted - 2015.02.17 16:54:31 -
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Agreed, Aria.
Though to answer your question, I'm merely referring to the fact that the info we have gleaned ( there is some available when you query through your ships computer ) only speculates their Jovian heritage, which I have to say is fairly obvious. There is no information coming off the ship that directly signals 'Jovian', however, not to mention the ship design is very different from the Jovian vessels we have seen.
Everything I've read on the Jove gives me the impression they were proud to BE Jove. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate
1726
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Posted - 2015.02.18 15:46:37 -
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CONCORD Assembly Lowers Alert Status as Capsuleer Encounters with "Drifters" Raise Questions
Akrasjel Lanate
General Director(CEO) of Naquatech Conglomerate
Executor of Naquatech Syndicate
Citizen of Solitude
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1633
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Posted - 2015.02.22 14:07:44 -
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Jennifer Starfall wrote: I saw that you had previously expressed an interest in presenting at the conference. I would encourage you to submit your proposal to present and actively contribute to that greater understanding. You can find information in the article linked in my signature.
Thank you, Ms. Starfall, for the invitation.
Unfortunately, I have to decline it, as after changing of the format of the conference, I have no confidence in the new committee anymore and would like to avoid presenting my material there, as it may cause, as they say it, "drama" instead of professional review.
However, I wish you good luck with it, and I hope something important and valuable will come out. |
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