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Herr Wilkus
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Posted - 2015.02.03 09:39:51 -
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Recently saw Oscar-nominated American Sniper recently in a packed theater. Highly recommend it. Four and a half Rifters out of five.
For those who have been living under a rock, the subject of the movie is US Navy SEAL Chris Kyle, a serviceman and cowboy from northern Texas who went on to serve four consecutive tours of duty in Iraq. Upon retiring from active duty, he volunteered his time helping veterans recover from the effects of PTSD. Tragically, he was shot and killed by one of these men at a rifle range in early 2013.
Walked out thinking it was probably one of the better war movies I've seen in while. (though I'd probably rank "Black Hawk Down" higher) Not just talking about production values - though they were quite good... except for one laughably obvious fake baby.
I wouldn't call it an 'entertaining' movie, per se. You walk out in silence as its a bit draining. Lots of people were standing outside the theater talking about what they had just watched.
I don't feel I need to go back and watch it again. It just wasn't a 'fun' movie you go and see with your friends.
But I think it was an excellent and significant movie that needed to be made. Clint Eastwood is exactly the right sort of director make it. It hit the right notes and gave an unflinching view of the Iraq War, spotlighting the heroism of our men and women in uniform - and the sacrifices they made while deployed.
American Sniper exposed the moral sickness and barbarism our soldiers were confronted with in Iraq on a daily basis, as they struggled to protect the lives of their comrades and innocent civilians. (While being mocked and belittled by red 'activists' and pampered journalists at home.)
And clearly, the positive tone of the movie was not lost on the American heartland "ie fly-over country" - as they've opened their wallets to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars - a major achievement when the big studios have suffered through a very poor 2014 season.
Currently reading the book, as well. Certainly some differences between the book and the film, but it kept me awake and turning pages for the entirely of a 10 hour flight over the Atlantic.
Curious about the thoughts of the greater Eve community?
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Black Panpher
Ganja Inc
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Posted - 2015.02.03 20:50:46 -
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I think Michael Moore's tweet pretty much sums it up nicely. |
Ragnar Severasse
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.03 22:50:58 -
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Are you talking about 'Murican Sniper? It doesn't look very good.
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Commissar Kate
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.03 22:55:43 -
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I don't think anything good is gonna come of this thread and it should probably be locked.
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Ragnar Severasse
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.03 23:08:19 -
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Commissar Kate wrote:I don't think anything good is gonna come of this thread and it should probably be locked.
So we will **** up this thread before it gets locked.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.03 23:22:20 -
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Haven't seen it but Eastwood tends to put out rather good films.
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Snagletooth Johnson
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.04 00:19:51 -
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What looks to be a really good movie is getting overshadowed by the man. The Demigodery by the right and the character assassination by the left |
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
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Posted - 2015.02.04 01:21:27 -
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Want to check that one out.
By the way, I thought this book by a Iraq vet was pretty good: The Last True Story I'll Ever Tell: An Accidental Soldier's Account of the War in Iraq by John Crawford. No heroics, just a regular American guy doing an ordinary soldier's job in Iraq. They matter of fact way he tells it just makes it that much rougher.
"My mule don't like laughing. You can apologize to my mule and can be alright."
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Ria Nieyli
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
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Posted - 2015.02.04 04:33:32 -
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So I finally saw this movie. I feel like the filming crew did themselves a disservice by trying to fit within the two hour limit. They could've easily done an additional thirty minutes without the movie suffering any of the negatives that being too long usually brings.
Other than that, it was good. |
Debora Tsung
Die Woge des Wahnsinns Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
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Posted - 2015.02.04 08:19:33 -
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Black Panpher wrote:I think Michael Moore's tweet pretty much sums it up nicely. I wanna know about that tweet, but sadly I can't use twitter in the office. So I hope You'll tell me about that tweet, quote it even so I won't have to live in ignorance...
Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
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Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
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Posted - 2015.02.04 10:06:07 -
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Moore? Not sure why anyone still cares what he thinks, especially relative to Clint Eastwood or CPO Kyle.
The only noteworthy thing accomplished by Moore in the last decade, likely, is the volume of hot dogs he's personally dispatched. Admittedly, he was quite good in "Team America" though.
Still, this thread isn't really about washed up socialist filmmakers from the Y2K-era.
Or, for that matter, a good place for the trollpinions of people who clearly have not seen the film.
An aside, after arriving in London the other day, I kind of chuckled when the tabloid British press was pushing headlines about their own (unnamed, still active-duty) sniper with 170+ confirmed kills on Taliban forces in Afghanistan. Is this one-upmanship after Eastwood's film took #1 at the UK Box Office?
Of course, I didn't get the impression that the 'score' mattered much to Kyle (from his own autobiography), or for that matter, to the British serviceman.
Besides - nobody can hold a candle to the Finnish White Death, who, despite taking a disfiguring facial wound - earned a lifetime achievement award for ventilating 524 invading Soviet Reds in 3 months, all during the 'Winter War'. |
Black Panpher
Ganja Inc
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Posted - 2015.02.04 12:28:49 -
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Ah what it must be like to be the bottom 30% of high school education, ignorance seems such bliss! |
Sturmwolke
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Posted - 2015.02.04 13:44:03 -
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Std run-of-the-mill Hollywood propaganda film. It serves to de-humanize the masses by manipulating the story and presentation - potraying whomever made the movie in a good light, while making the rest look like idiots or demi-humans that deserves whats coming to them. Real life has multiple facets to the story, the real truth rarely comes out. What's in Hollywood, stays in Hollywood.
It'll certainly whip up the sentiments to a frenzy, for those lacking grey matter. What better timing with the drums of war already beating. The young and blissfully ignorant fresh meat will be lining up to volunteer.
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Debora Tsung
Die Woge des Wahnsinns Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
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Posted - 2015.02.04 15:29:08 -
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Sturmwolke wrote:It'll certainly whip up the sentiments to a frenzy, for those lacking grey matter. What better timing with the drums of war already beating. The drumss of war are beating since... I dunno, if we ignore the cold war, since ever. No special timing required...
Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
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Frank Millar
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.04 17:19:59 -
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Debora Tsung wrote:Sturmwolke wrote:It'll certainly whip up the sentiments to a frenzy, for those lacking grey matter. What better timing with the drums of war already beating. The drumss of war are beating since... I dunno, if we ignore the cold war, since ever. No special timing required... This.
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Black Panpher
Ganja Inc
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Posted - 2015.02.04 18:24:25 -
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Debora Tsung wrote:Sturmwolke wrote:It'll certainly whip up the sentiments to a frenzy, for those lacking grey matter. What better timing with the drums of war already beating. The drumss of war are beating since... I dunno, if we ignore the cold war, since ever. No special timing required...
I would say the timing of this particular piece of propaganda is absolutely perfect! But I also wholeheartedly agree with your statement in general. |
Debora Tsung
Die Woge des Wahnsinns Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
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Posted - 2015.02.04 18:34:11 -
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Frank Millar wrote:Debora Tsung wrote:Sturmwolke wrote:It'll certainly whip up the sentiments to a frenzy, for those lacking grey matter. What better timing with the drums of war already beating. The drumss of war are beating since... I dunno, if we ignore the cold war, since ever. No special timing required... This. The world's going down the shitter at a rapid pace. I'm afraid to be alive when it gets flushed... I'm not. experiencing the end is a once in a life time opportunity.
Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
Fighting back is more fun than not.
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Debora Tsung
Die Woge des Wahnsinns Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
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Posted - 2015.02.04 18:35:18 -
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I'm still really curious about that M. Moore Twitter post about that film, any chance somebody here can give me a link?
Stupidity should be a bannable offense.
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jason hill
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.02.04 19:03:07 -
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I was gonna pipe in with the brit marine`s kill rate . then I too realised that I had read about the finnish geezers kill rate then decided not to in case one of our finnish trolls owned my arse over it that geezer sure was one awesome fkn killing machine ... im pretty sure there was either a documentary or a film made about him .... geezer had more lives than ten cats ! |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
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Posted - 2015.02.04 20:28:32 -
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Sturmwolke wrote:Std run-of-the-mill Hollywood propaganda film. It serves to de-humanize the masses by manipulating the story and presentation - potraying whomever made the movie in a good light, while making the rest look like idiots or demi-humans that deserves whats coming to them. Real life has multiple facets to the story, the real truth rarely comes out. What's in Hollywood, stays in Hollywood.
It'll certainly whip up the sentiments to a frenzy, for those lacking grey matter. What better timing with the drums of war already beating. The young and blissfully ignorant fresh meat will be lining up to volunteer.
Oh, I don't know. The portrayal of the 'insurgents' in the movie (and in the book) seemed rather...mild...compared to the snuff videos coming out of Iraq ever since Prez Obutthole handed the country over to the terrorists.
ISIS, after all, has recently taught the world the finer points of conducting a Jordanian BBQ - and are now using alleged homosexuals as oversized lawn darts. Don't think it takes a slick Hollywood production to convince Americans of the subhuman nature of our enemies - ISIS has done a pretty good job of proving it to us already on YouTube.
Point is, how is American Sniper 'propaganda' when the Islamists are essentially saying, "No, no - we are WAY worse than that! Power drills through skulls are childs play...!"
Even the Third Reich had enough sense to try and hide their crimes. |
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DaReaper
Net 7
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Posted - 2015.02.04 20:34:43 -
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Debora Tsung wrote:I'm still really curious about that M. Moore Twitter post about that film, any chance somebody here can give me a link?
i dunno if this si the original or a follow up, but
""My uncle killed by sniper in WW2. We were taught snipers were cowards. Will shoot u in the back. Snipers aren't heroes. And invaders r worse,"
source: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/vets-snipers-respond-to-michael-moores-tweets/
Essentually he called snipers cowards, and had to defend why he said that. I can;t seem to find the original tweet though
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Black Panpher
Ganja Inc
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Posted - 2015.02.05 00:09:58 -
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DaReaper wrote:Debora Tsung wrote:I'm still really curious about that M. Moore Twitter post about that film, any chance somebody here can give me a link? i dunno if this si the original or a follow up, but ""My uncle killed by sniper in WW2. We were taught snipers were cowards. Will shoot u in the back. Snipers aren't heroes. And invaders r worse," source: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/vets-snipers-respond-to-michael-moores-tweets/Essentually he called snipers cowards, and had to defend why he said that. I can;t seem to find the original tweet though
"But if you're on the roof of your home defending it from invaders who've come 7K miles, you are not a sniper, u are brave, u are a neighbor."
Second part of the tweet. |
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
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Posted - 2015.02.05 01:57:53 -
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I don't know, the fact that that guy and the U.S. Army organization kept an official Killboard is a little... weird? Unprofessional? Video game-like?
It takes a whole army to run an army. People drive unarmored trucks up and down dangerous urban roads, 30 days a month. Other people go into people's homes with sketchy intel about what's really in there. A few guys sit behind a mud wall for weeks, not knowing the rural village people around, and not ever knowing if/when the smart guys on the other side might night attack them 10:1.
I don't know, keeping a sniper KB, and having it administratively confirmed up through the bureaucracy, seems a little f---ed up to me. And a little scary. Read the soldier literature coming from the Iraq and Afghanistan wars when you get a chance, ye boys. It's not like your grandpa's war.
"My mule don't like laughing. You can apologize to my mule and can be alright."
-The Man with No Name
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Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
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Posted - 2015.02.05 04:00:29 -
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The most horrifying aspect is the failed concept of 'ROE' - forcing line soldiers to rapidly determine hostile intent when facing an enemy who not only uses women and children as weapons, but are also too cowardly to don a uniform, or adopt any kind of identifying feature to distinguish themselves from civilian noncombatants.
In WWII (i.e.grandpa's war) sniper kills were tracked officially as well - even back as far as WWI (great-grandpa's war), it seems. A system of confirmation was used, seemingly much like the system used in air-to-air combat, where the kill must be witnessed.
Germany, horrifically, used child soldiers during the end of WWII. But even there, an important distinction - those children were nominally within the official chain of command and given uniforms, ill-fitting or no.
The willingness of Muslim fighters to hide behind their civilian population and use Western reluctance to engage traditional non-combatants - as a means of ambush - is nothing short of disgusting. Such conduct likely responsible for much of the accidental civilian body count, as soldiers learn to defend themselves by shooting first and asking questions later. After all, its better to be court-martialled than blown to pieces by a suicide bomber.
When fighting savages, forcing uniformed soldiers to play by the 'Queen's rules' so the political class gets to have 'clean hands' seems quite unreasonable. |
Seven Koskanaiken
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
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Posted - 2015.02.05 04:33:08 -
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Shocking to hear that upon travelling to the opposite hemisphere to invade a small country that posed absolutely no threat using a trillion dollar military the ungrateful natives wouldn't come and meet for battle in the open field. |
Ragnar Severasse
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.05 04:55:43 -
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Yeah this thread is probably gonna be locked.
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Karlos Kondit
IMORTALS The Klingon Empire
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Posted - 2015.02.05 10:10:13 -
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The film was shite. American rubbish. Nothing special about a trigger happy yank |
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
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Posted - 2015.02.05 10:29:39 -
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Seven Koskanaiken wrote:Shocking to hear that upon travelling to the opposite hemisphere to invade a small country that posed absolutely no threat using a trillion dollar military the ungrateful natives wouldn't come and meet for battle in the open field.
Also iraq was nothing to do with Isis or terror, it was based on a hoax about wmds. It was probably one of the most secular countiries in the area and least likely to harbour terrorists or radicals, the same as the secular Syrian state now where women walk freely with hair uncovered and go to university but NATO tried to bomb out of existence on a false gas hoax (which has never been repeated since) and replace with another load of radicals.
Chris Kyle On WMDs, from American Sniper.
"At another location, we found barrels of chemical material that was intended for use as biochemical weapons. Everyone talks about there being no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, but they seem to be referring to completed nuclear bombs, not the many deadly chemical weapons or precursors that Sadam had stockpiled.
Maybe the reason is that the writing on the barrels showed that he chemicals came from France and Germany, our supposed Western allies. The thing I always wonder about is how much Sadam was able to hide before we actually invaded. We'd given so much warning before we came in, that he surely had time to move and bury tons of material. Where it went, where it will go, what will it poison, I think those are pretty good questions that have never been answered."
Kyle, in his autobiography stated that he didn't believe the Iraq was worthy of American efforts. He really didn't give two ***** about them, he just wanted to protect his fellow Americans. Stated in both the movie and the book - he felt no remorse about those he killed - his targets killed themselves by engaging in hostile behavior and threatening American lives.
He was quite shocked by the evil and sickness that emerged in the Iraqi insurgency, however.
Another quote from the book, "People say you have to distance yourself from the enemy to kill him. If that's true, in Iraq, the insurgents made it really easy. My story earlier about what the mother did to her child by pulling the pin on the grenade was only one gruesome example. The fanatics we fought valued nothing but their own twisted interpretation of religion. And half the time the just claimed they valued their religion - most didn't even pray. Quite a number were drugged up so they could fight us...."
"They may have been cowards, but they certainly could kill people The insurgents didn't have to worry about ROEs or courtmartials. If they had the advantage, they would kill any Westerner they could find, whether they were soldiers or not."
He goes on to tell a story about finding the bloody remains of captured American soldiers, and what the insurgents did to them after they surrendered. |
Tyler Miller-Lite
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.02.05 10:42:33 -
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I knew I wouldnt have been disappointed by Eastwood and I wasnt. Certainly a powerful movie and it captures a lot from the bigger picture outside of the silver screen if you can see that far. Will definitely be in my collection of classics to watch with my kid in the future.
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Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
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Posted - 2015.02.05 11:00:49 -
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Karlos Kondit wrote:The film was shite. American rubbish. Nothing special about a trigger happy yank
Not a Bradley Cooper fan, I take it.
Shame, I think he earned his Oscar nomination. |
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