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CJ Alland
Mighty Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.02.03 16:42:03 -
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We currently have T2 Orca boosted fleet in Korama (3 jumps from Jita) which we are allowing anyone to join.
The Fleet is an attempt to get ore in this system at a reduced cost. We are not forcing people to sell to us but giving boosts and the option to.
Join ' Mighty Chat ' for more information.
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Dreth en Wealth
Prox Technology
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Posted - 2015.02.03 18:13:48 -
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Publicly advertising that you have an orca/booster ship sitting in a system, probably unattended, is a great way to get your stuff blown up.
Just sayin. |
CJ Alland
Mighty Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.02.03 18:22:32 -
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Dreth en Wealth wrote:Publicly advertising that you have an orca/booster ship sitting in a system, probably unattended, is a great way to get your stuff blown up.
Just sayin.
It's in a safe place. |
Dreth en Wealth
Prox Technology
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Posted - 2015.02.03 18:26:45 -
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You can't give boosts if you're docked. Otherwise, there is no "safe" place in Eve ;) |
Hengle Teron
Just Another Corp XIV
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Posted - 2015.02.03 18:31:57 -
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Dreth en Wealth wrote:You can't give boosts if you're docked. Otherwise, there is no "safe" place in Eve ;) inside a POS bubble might be pretty safe in highsec |
Demetri Dentrov
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.02.03 18:48:56 -
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You do realize you're basically telling every awoxer in the tri-region area that you're recruiting and that your standards are super lax, right? |
CJ Alland
Mighty Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.02.03 19:01:27 -
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Demetri Dentrov wrote:You do realize you're basically telling every awoxer in the tri-region area that you're recruiting and that your standards are super lax, right?
I'm not recruiting anyone. |
Oinola Akachi
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.02.03 19:03:24 -
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We`ll do, I have 3 miners, going on to 4. |
CJ Alland
Mighty Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.02.03 20:07:10 -
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Oinola Akachi wrote:We`ll do, I have 3 miners, going on to 4. Not sure what you mean. |
CJ Alland
Mighty Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.02.03 22:44:52 -
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Edit: I rewrote the original post. |
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Snagletooth Johnson
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.04 00:46:01 -
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CJ Alland wrote:Public mining fleets. Why don't they exist? The answer I'm usually met with is that it attracts gankers.
there you go, you just naswered your own question.
CJ Alland wrote:This may be true but what's so different about that and Incursion public groups> Gankers still prey on them too...! Not so much, incursion fleets are armed and fire back.
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Oinola Akachi
State War Academy Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2015.02.04 00:55:34 -
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Oinola Akachi wrote:We`ll do, I have 3 miners, going on to 4. I meant that I will be mining with you , except that when is not defined yet because that I have no planned schedule for it yet.
I hope in the next few months (including this one).
Also , it's safer not to publish when here.
And yes, I may be able to bring 3 or 4 mining pilots with their own mining ships. |
CJ Alland
Mighty Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.02.04 00:57:38 -
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The fleet is offering boosts.
Miners would go about mining as they would normally. There shouldn't be any more worry for ganking than if you were mining out of fleet. But the location of the fleet will be restricted to the fleet MOTD. |
Dreth en Wealth
Prox Technology
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Posted - 2015.02.04 01:33:40 -
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Sorry if this is garbled/long winded, I was just hammering at the keyboard while eating dinner :P
For the most part, public mining fleets don't exist for the very reason you said. Gankers. Others have tried this before (like Astral Services) and no one does it anymore for a reason. Yes, incursion fleets/mission runners have to worry about ganks as well, but with one major difference. Those people are in combat ships that can shoot back.
I've thought about this quite a bit, as I had plans of doing something similar before I got out of mining. But for now let's assume you're not just baiting people so you can gank them yourself.
1. Don't stay in the same system. A solo miner has two choices: mine alone and *maybe* get ganked, or join the mining fleet that's in the same place everyday and certainly get ganked. If you're in one system, day in and day out, you're throwing sharks in the kiddy pool. You would be best served moving around frequently. I wouldn't even be in the same system more than once a week. It certainly won't stop all ganks, but just makes it slightly harder to find you. Which brings me to:
2. Be "public" but not THAT public. Don't broadcast a public fleet, and certainly don't post about it in the forums. Contact and invite miners individually, to help keep the rif-raf out altogether. Again, this will only make you >slightly< harder to find, but also means:
3. You need to be constantly contacting new people. 99% of new miners will either leave the game, or move on to more lucrative things. In order to keep a working fleet, someone needs to be constantly contacting the NEW miners coming into the game to let them know there is an option. Which means:
4. You need more people. If it's just you, and you're only on during certain times, it's not really helpdul to anyone. If it's just you, and your AFK Orca is sitting in one system all day (which means anyone can scan you down and gank/bump you into non-existence), that system may very well be completely empty of roids in a very short time, making the non-moving fleet useless. You would also need someone TRUSTWORTHY to manage the fleet at all times. To avoid all of this would mean hiring additional people that can all fly orca's and convincing them it's worth their time. Which is the problem:
5. It's not worth your time. IF (and that's a big IF) every person mining in the fleet sold you 100% of their ore (which won't be much, because you'll have nothing but ventures and retrievers; let's face it, any serious miner will have their OWN fleet) it would take you weeks/months to cover the cost of ONE Orca. Add additional hired people to the mix, and you'd almost be better off solo mining yourself.
6. There's several more points here, but I'm going to stop. Basically the time required and the logistics of the operation are just not cost efficient. Not even a little.
From the social side of it, it's a great way to meet new people (assuming they aren't AFK mining) and doing some recruiting for your corp. But, as this is Eve, some people would love nothing more than to rain on your parade. Which then leads ganked miners to complaining about YOU, and ruins what reputation you have.
Please note, I'm not trying to dissuade you or anything. If I was in a closer system I'd even be willing to help a bit. But ultimately points #5 and 6 were the reason I bailed on this idea. |
CJ Alland
Mighty Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.02.04 01:47:26 -
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Dreth en Wealth wrote:Sorry if this is garbled/long winded, I was just hammering at the keyboard while eating dinner :P
Thanks for the response. A few of your points I do have answers to, however to limit all the information made public I decided not to post them in here.
The only problem I cannot find a resolution to is as you mentioned, maintaining a continuous flow of miners. |
Sam Spock
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.04 15:09:41 -
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I solved this issue by just building my own mining fleet. I had three miners and an orca before I stopped mining. I would occasionally give boost to people I knew but ignored requests from others.
Gankers have made miners paranoid so any offer of a fleet from a stranger would most likely thought of as a trap.
Giving you Inconsistent grammar, speilling and Punct-uation since 1974!
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Dom Hemingway
Thera Post The Company.
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Posted - 2015.02.05 18:03:30 -
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Don't let the haters get to you. Your idea is a good one. Solo PvP and solo pve are the same. They are less successful. You get more done in a group. |
CJ Alland
Mighty Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.02.05 18:10:42 -
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Dom Hemingway wrote:Don't let the haters get to you. Your idea is a good one. Solo PvP and solo pve are the same. They are less successful. You get more done in a group.
Thanks =D
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CJ Alland
Mighty Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.02.05 21:23:51 -
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The fleet has been running for two days so far and we have had quite a few people getting involved.
We've bought 200m worth of ore so far and people seem keen to join in whenever they are mining.
We still have plenty more room for you and your friends! |
Minnie Fighter
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.02.06 18:16:28 -
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I've been offered to join these mining ops as well and have accepted. Very useful for players who only have a little time for EVE, but like to keep in touch, very fair prices - very nice people |
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CJ Alland
Mighty Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.02.07 14:27:44 -
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It's been 5 days since we started this public fleet and things are going great. We've noticed a lot of regular users and people have even started telling their friends.
Lots of people are using our ore buying programs and we've been told that we are offering very fair prices.
Come get involved. Free Boosts. |
Alexi Drakenovic
Ishukone Reserve Military Division
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Posted - 2015.02.09 22:57:59 -
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Greetings, firstly, this is a great idea, i am going to start my own one in the starter systems to get miners more social and the like, and secondly, me and my corporation are currently getting involved in the mining trade to fund out own manufacturing, and i will be an Orca pilot by the weekend, if you need extra support let me know, i have already got the hanger full of combat ready ships if needed, and i do not AFK Orca control, i kinda like just sitting there watching :)
Give me an EVEmail if your interested in extra Orca help or in 3-4 extra miners (1 Ventures, 3 Barges).
Hope to hear from you! And good to hear it is working out for you thus far! |
CJ Alland
Mighty Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.02.10 02:55:15 -
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Would just like to thank everyone that has got involved so far. The community is growing and we have been guiding newer players into what they enjoy doing in eve.
We are looking into ship replacement programs for miners as well as free skill books for newer players.
These will all be things that will start to appear the larger we grow. We're all about helping you.
' Mighty Chat '
CJ |
Elyham
The Eleventh Commandment Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2015.02.11 22:52:10 -
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CJ Alland wrote:First of all this isnGÇÖt a corp recruitment offer, this is a public channel/fleet notice.
Mighty Enterprises is giving miners the chance to get access to T2 Mining boosts for free.
This is an outstanding service and I applaud your selfless devotion to helping us out and increasing maximum yields!
What used to be a time consuming process has now been greatly simplified and streamlined. I cannot wait to join the fleet in system and simply warp to zero on unsuspecting Joe Miner and process their mining buddy membership application!
As a peaceful industrialist I wholeheartedly support Mighty Enterprises.
Elyham Director, Mining Buddy Program |
CJ Alland
Mighty Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.02.12 00:03:01 -
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Elyham wrote:CJ Alland wrote:First of all this isnGÇÖt a corp recruitment offer, this is a public channel/fleet notice.
Mighty Enterprises is giving miners the chance to get access to T2 Mining boosts for free.
This is an outstanding service and I applaud your selfless devotion to helping us out and increasing maximum yields! What used to be a time consuming process has now been greatly simplified and streamlined. I cannot wait to join the fleet in system and simply warp to zero on unsuspecting Joe Miner and process their mining buddy membership application! As a peaceful industrialist I wholeheartedly support Mighty Enterprises. Elyham Director, Mining Buddy Program
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Elyham
The Eleventh Commandment Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2015.02.12 01:22:10 -
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CJ Alland wrote:Elyham wrote:CJ Alland wrote:First of all this isnGÇÖt a corp recruitment offer, this is a public channel/fleet notice.
Mighty Enterprises is giving miners the chance to get access to T2 Mining boosts for free.
This is an outstanding service and I applaud your selfless devotion to helping us out and increasing maximum yields! What used to be a time consuming process has now been greatly simplified and streamlined. I cannot wait to join the fleet in system and simply warp to zero on unsuspecting Joe Miner and process their mining buddy membership application! As a peaceful industrialist I wholeheartedly support Mighty Enterprises. Elyham Director, Mining Buddy Program I would note that members in the fleet currently receiving boosts also gain increased Armour and Shield hit points. Also anyone in anything other than a ship for mining or hauling is swiftly removed from fleet and blacklisted. Apologies. CJ
Well this will certainly foil any gank attempts! *facepalm*
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Chad Wylder
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.02.12 04:47:49 -
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CJ Alland wrote:Also anyone in anything other than a ship for mining or hauling is swiftly removed from fleet and blacklisted Some fleet members may want to fly with ECM frigates to try to provide anti-gank services, or simply use a combat ship to clear rats. Just something to keep in mind.
Personally I don't think I'd even bother with a blacklist for the fleet. It's extra work that provides little benefit. Gankers can still use a neutral mining character in fleet to scout out prey and a cloaked ship to provide the warp in (or just make a bookmark of a nearby asteroid). As for chat, blacklist is good if someone's being disruptive, but regardless you'll still need to assume that gank alts are in your chat.
I think a good option could be to set up a mailing list with some solid, tanked mining ship fits, and provide a ship replacement option for losses that use those fits (exceptions for minor changes like meta modules instead of T2, since not everyone has the same fitting skills. As long as people aren't fitting stupidly expensive faction gear or something pointless like a shield booster and have a good tank on their ship.)
Here's a decent all-round Retriever fit that I'm fond of if it helps. 20.3k EHP tank at all 5 skills for both Antimatter and EM (Catalysts and Thrashers) according to Pyfa, and still provides a good mining yield.
[Retriever, Standard Fit]
Damage Control II Mining Laser Upgrade II Mining Laser Upgrade II
Upgraded Thermic Dissipation Amplifier I
Strip Miner I Strip Miner I
Medium Transverse Bulkhead I Medium Transverse Bulkhead I Medium Transverse Bulkhead I
Hobgoblin II x1 Mining Drone I x4
Btw, what faction space do you usually do this fleet in? (Amarr, Caldari, Gallente, or Minmatar) I ask because I know there's a different public fleet that operates out in Caldari space in The Forge region. |
Ashley Sky
The Eleventh Commandment Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2015.02.12 05:28:50 -
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How could you not approve of this? Anything that gets people off the couch and into the belts has got to be nothing but good. |
CJ Alland
Mighty Enterprises
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Posted - 2015.02.16 02:42:07 -
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Chad Wylder wrote:Btw, what faction space do you usually do this fleet in? (Amarr, Caldari, Gallente, or Minmatar) I ask because I know there's a different public fleet that operates out in Caldari space in The Forge region.
Lonetrek.
The miners that use the fleet seem happy with the service. We now have maximum mining yield boosts with implants and max skills.
We have had very few successful ganks to users of our fleets and are discussing other benefits to offer. We don't want to start offering something and have it flop as a half arse'd attempt. We're hoping to keep this fleet going for the foreseeable future.
We do have provide links to fits in the fleet and public channel MOTD's.
CJ |
DrysonBennington
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.22 21:16:58 -
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CJ Alland wrote:Dreth en Wealth wrote:Publicly advertising that you have an orca/booster ship sitting in a system, probably unattended, is a great way to get your stuff blown up.
Just sayin. It's in a safe place.
By safe I hope you mean having a fast interceptor burn at max velocity out past an asteroid belt of the furthest orbiting planet in a system for 30 minutes to an hour and then book marking a safe location.
I wonder what happens if you just burn away the furthest point in a solar system? I wonder what you'll find. |
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