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Ariete
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2015.02.05 00:01:38 -
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Hi my name is Ariete I have been with Sleeper Social Club since 2012, I first started playing Eve in 2003 and been playing on and off since then. Over the years I have been in high sec, null sec and wormholes. Currently iGÇÖm with Sleep Social Club, a C5 wormhole alliance
Sovereignty
Personally i'm am in favor with the principle of sovereignty through utilization. What I mean by this is that you using a system would gain you sovereignty over it through living, mining, fighting, industry etc. Other corps could could come in and reduce your sovereignty control by using your space i.e running you sights, pvp and destroying your structures. They would also be a natural decay to it, so inactive system you would lose it eventually
Wormhole Space
Wormhole space thanks to Corbexx is in a relatively good shape. What would good to look at again are. Blackholes, they are still troublesome and under used. Frigate wormholes, either a reduction on the amount of them or remove the regen.
One upcoming problem that I can see coming up is Strategic Cruisers . Wormhole space use them quite differently than known space. In wormhole space they are the trucks, we use them scanning, boosting, ewar, salvage brawling and sniping. We often use them in a multiple of roles at the same time. We need to keep Strategic Cruisers need to be flexible. Many of the subs are rarely used these could be repurposed to other roles like micro jump drives, refitting, ewar, better logi etc.
New Player Experience
I think the best way to go forward with this is to show a more realistic experience like in one of the missions you get podded to show how that work. Having the mission based system that we have now works to an extent but i would like to use it to introduce new players things like faction warfare, have to navigate and explore wormholes and actual pvp. For instance have a mission that takes you to a acceleration gate that takes you to another novice player and you have to kill each other.
Another things that would help is ISIS for modules and for skills you can easily follow what works well.
CSM
The CSM is an elected body that works as representation of the players. CSM helps the players have a voice and we help CCP to have a voice to the players. Recent problems have shown this to be true and sometimes it doesn't go to plan. These problems are getting fixed and I would like it to get easier over the next term of CSM
I hope that if I become one of the next CSM members that I can work with the rest of the CSM, CCP and the players to make eve a better place to live and die. |
Ariete
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2015.02.05 00:05:47 -
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Ariete
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Posted - 2015.02.05 00:06:38 -
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Jessan Makanen
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2015.02.05 00:07:58 -
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+1, I support the above message. |
StupidGenius Charante
Alea Iacta Est Universal Brave Collective
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Posted - 2015.02.05 03:43:48 -
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Howdy!
My name is StupidGenius Charante and I am one of the co-hosts of the Cap Stable Podcast.
In early 2014 our podcast interviewed a great majority of the candidates for CSM9 and we will be doing the same for CSM10.
Here is our announcement: http://capstable.net/2014/12/01/council-of-stellar-management-x-call-for-candidate-interviews/
As we stated in the announcement, you can contact us to schedule your one on one interview via any of the following methods:
Email: [email protected] Twitter: @CapStable Or via our contact form
We look forward to speaking to you about your particular skill set and expertise in EVE Online and we hope you success in your candidacy.
Sincerely,
StupidGenius Charante Co-host of the Cap Stable Podcast Logistics Director, Alea Iacta Est Universal |
Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
1901
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Posted - 2015.02.05 05:54:24 -
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Looking forward to following your campaign. Personally, I like your "Spartan" style New Player Experience model, and I'd love to hear more about it. Would you opposed to a set of exploration missions that introduced a more controlled wormhole environment to teach basics to rookies, then step them into a more aggressive training curriculum leading them to "live or die" experiences in their training (similar to the podding and PVP examples your provided)?
Also, do you miss RCC? o7
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Ariete
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2015.02.05 09:44:58 -
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Proclus Diadochu wrote:Looking forward to following your campaign. Personally, I like your "Spartan" style New Player Experience model, and I'd love to hear more about it. Would you opposed to a set of exploration missions that introduced a more controlled wormhole environment to teach basics to rookies, then step them into a more aggressive training curriculum leading them to "live or die" experiences in their training (similar to the podding and PVP examples your provided)?
Also, do you miss RCC? o7
A "Spartan" style New Player Experience is not what is needed but a more realistic experiance.
I agree with you about wormhole exploration. You get to scan out a wormhole, Aura shows you to bookmark it on both sides and you get to scan down different sites and kill a few sleepers. You warp to the bookmark you saved and jump back. |
Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
1901
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Posted - 2015.02.05 09:55:23 -
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Ariete wrote:Proclus Diadochu wrote:Looking forward to following your campaign. Personally, I like your "Spartan" style New Player Experience model, and I'd love to hear more about it. Would you opposed to a set of exploration missions that introduced a more controlled wormhole environment to teach basics to rookies, then step them into a more aggressive training curriculum leading them to "live or die" experiences in their training (similar to the podding and PVP examples your provided)?
Also, do you miss RCC? o7 A "Spartan" style New Player Experience is not what is needed but a more realistic experiance. I agree with you about wormhole exploration. You get to scan out a wormhole, Aura shows you to bookmark it on both sides and you get to scan down different sites and kill a few sleepers. You warp to the bookmark you saved and jump back. I think you misunderstand what "Spartan" style is...
It is through realistic experience. If the development plan was to create exploration tutorials for wormholes, it would likely be good to be a controlled environment to some degree to ensure that players don't exploit it and farm new players, but the later stuff could be perfect for PVP, podding, or whatever.
Also, try to understand that you don't "know" what is needed, since no players have all the information/stats/metrics. You have an idea what YOU think this game needs. As a representative of the playerbase, don't tell other players what the game "needs", be open to discussion, and not too polarizing.
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Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2015.02.05 14:49:59 -
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Proc speaks the truth. Your platform is sound, just remember to treat this as a race to fame. The people must know who you are if they are to vote for you. Cap stable podcast would be a good start.
Yaay!!!!
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Ariete
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2015.02.05 16:59:01 -
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Phoenix Jones wrote:Proc speaks the truth. Your platform is sound, just remember to treat this as a race to fame. The people must know who you are if they are to vote for you. Cap stable podcast would be a good start.
Already booked into the Cap Stable podcast. Also looking at having a wormhole townhall sometime next week. |
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corbexx
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
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Posted - 2015.02.06 19:13:38 -
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If I'm about i'll try and be there for the town hall. I could do with knowing as soon as possible though.
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Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
1902
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Posted - 2015.02.07 00:01:03 -
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In your OP, you state that you've been playing since 2003 and have played in high, null, and wormholes, and your stats support that you began really PVP'ing in 2012. Based on the boards, it seems that you either did a ton of PVE from '03-'12, or you didn't really play much until '12. You have a couple losses, with the first in '06 in Gonditsa, then a loss in '08, then a couple in '11, and then you really get in full swing in '12, being quite active with SSC. (This is all based on not having a complete list of your characters/alts/whatever)
We've never interacted, that I'm aware, so I don't know how much experience you have in the wormhole political community, not that it isn't dissimilar to slinging a plate of spaghetti against a wall, but you and a couple other wormholers have recently come out of the woodwork the last couple days, and some want to know more about you.
I don't play much, at all, anymore, but I do enjoy the CSM campaigns each year. The CSM is a great opportunity to impact the game, and it is a neat concept within a gaming community. That said, I invested a very long time in this game, and a very large amount of time with wormholes (since '09), and I pay close attention to the players that intend to represent this community.
Please expand on the following:
1. What is a detailed background on your gameplay experience since you've started playing the game? 2. Have you ever been involved in the political landscape or corporate leadership within Eve? 3. How do you intend to reach out to the playerbase you wish to represent? 4. Why did you recently decide that you wanted to represent the community? 5. What is your experience with POS/Corporate Role mechanics? 6. What is your experience with T3/Capitals/Ishtars/Logistics class ships? 7. What is your experience with Mission Running/Mining? 8. What is your experience with Research/Manufacturing/Trade? 9. What, if any, is your experience with SOV?
A. What are your thoughts on your current wormhole opponents? (Corbexx, Angrod, TF, and Bane) B. Why should players vote for you over them?
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Ariete
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2015.02.07 12:58:46 -
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Here you go Proclus Diadochu
1. What is a detailed background on your gameplay experience since you've started playing the game?
I first started playing this game in 2003 when a friend of mine introduced the game to me. We mainly spent our time in high sec mining, killing rats etc. When my friends moved on i moved with them. I still kept coming back to the game from time to time running missions and killing rats etc.
Another set of friends decide to play eve they got themselves set up in null space and got sovereignty of several systems out in Catch . We did PVP, mining, industry etc. We had good fun in trying to keep the space we had.
After that alliance folded due to a few reasons Ii got playing other games. I came back a few times again running missions in high sec and chilling out. I started to get involved with the communities in eve like RvN Ganked and Eve Radio's Lemming Leaps. This lead me to join RvB which i had a great time in and taught my a lot about small gang and solo PVP in eve.
An old friend of mine got involved with eve uni at the time, he later joined up with Sleeper Social Club. I started talking to him and got interested in the wormhole space. So i started to get training up my skills and learning about wormhole space life. Once my skills was good i joined up to SSC.
In SSC I have took part in many fight and sieges, often been the reason they started. I like hunting down targets in wormholes and null sec. The roles i do in fleets are often EWAR, Interdicting and combat hauling. No bullets, no pew pew.
2. Have you ever been involved in the political landscape or corporate leadership within Eve?
Not in Eve, I have ran guilds and similar roles as CSM in other games like star wars galaxies. I like the community and meta game in Eve, it provides a richness and life to the game.
3. How do you intend to reach out to the playerbase you wish to represent?
Well i am arranging for there to be a Wormhole Debate later next week, only one other candidate has got back so far. It will be held on our TS. Details of this will be going out to the wormhole community this weekend. Later today i have a Interview arranged with Capstable. There are other things in progress as well.
4. Why did you recently decide that you wanted to represent the community?
I have actually been thinking about doing it over the last couple of years. I have been wanting to invest in to the game and its community. After talking to some friends I decided to go ahead and run this year. Knowing that there is going to be some fundamental changes to the game we have to make sure we get good representation and voices for the wormhole community into the CSM.
5. What is your experience with POS/Corporate Role mechanics?
In our home i run a POS for myself and a few others. I know how much of they are a pain at times. Getting config starbase to sort out one small problem on your POS could mean been able to offline others. As for corp roles that i have had, i haven't had any. We have a good team of people in the corp, there's been no reason to have roles. I help people out with there problems, I understand the mechanics of it all.
6. What is your experience with T3/Capitals/Ishtars/Logistics class ships?
The only ones i don't fly of those is Capitals and to be honest i have no desire to fly them. I fly Strategic Cruisers, Drone boat like Gilia's, Vexor Nay Issue etc, I fly Hic's and Dic's, I fly logistics from time to time. Sub cap wise i can fly most.
Now are Ishtar's and Strategic Cruiser's OP? Well yes when you have 100+ in a fleet like you have in null sec. But in wormholes space when a fleet size is 30-50 (Caps, T3, Logi, Support) for a big op, then no they not. Which is one problem we are going to have soon. There going to get nerfed because of null sec, we need to make sure they are still viable for us in wormhole space.
7. What is your experience with Mission Running/Mining?
Been running missions (lvl 1-4) and mining since i started. Don't do them as much now that i'm in wormhole space we run sites, huff gas etc. When i have done them, i have found the to be fairly repetitive same as most MMO's would be nice to see the missions revamped. Put some new life into them as they are what alot of people do in Eve.
8. What is your experience with Research/Manufacturing/Trade?
Never got into the industry side of Eve. I do a bit of trading and Hauling nothing major.
9. What, if any, is your experience with SOV?
We all know there's no sovereignty in wormholes. Years ago when I was in null sec, we was fighting to protect our space. Eventually we lost the space, ahh good old times in DROW. Mechanics wise i understand the processes of it all. It seems a bigger pain than sieging and evicting a 20 tower wormhole.
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Proclus Diadochu
Obstergo Red Coat Conspiracy
1902
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Posted - 2015.02.07 14:32:51 -
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Ariete wrote:Here you go Proc... Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions :) Look forward to your Capstable interview, and I was chatting with Corbexx about your Wormhole debate last night, and looking forward to following that venue aswell. I'd encourage you to increase your visibility in the Wormholes and F&I sub-forums and if you haven't already, I'd encourage you to begin reaching out to wormhole corps and alliances to meet with them on their comms for interviews/chats.
Best of luck!
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.02.08 02:29:05 -
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Ariete wrote:Frigate wormholes - Either a reduction on the amount that spawns or remove the mass regen from the wholes. . Remove them completely, I would say.
Clicking this thread, I had hoped there was a worm hole representative from a small corp or alliance.
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Ariete
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2015.02.09 22:55:30 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Ariete wrote:Frigate wormholes - Either a reduction on the amount that spawns or remove the mass regen from the wholes. . Remove them completely, I would say. Clicking this thread, I had hoped there was a worm hole representative from a small corp or alliance.
Removing them could be an option, however how would you deal with the shattered wormholes. A reduction of total mass and removing the regen, would mean they wouldn't last so long and be able to collapse them.
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Chitsa Jason
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2015.02.11 01:04:29 -
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How would you communicate your CSM term to your voters if elected?
Burn the land and boil the sea
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Kynric
Sky Fighters
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Posted - 2015.02.11 21:34:57 -
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Ariete wrote: Blackholes - They are still troublesome and under used. Giving them a more better use in wormhole space.
Do you live in a black hole? If not why are you so eager to advocate for changes to someone elses home? I live in a black hole and am very happy with the weather as it is. |
Ariete
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2015.02.11 22:02:49 -
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Kynric wrote:Ariete wrote: Blackholes - They are still troublesome and under used. Giving them a more better use in wormhole space.
Do you live in a black hole? If not why are you so eager to advocate for changes to someone elses home? I live in a black hole and am very happy with the weather as it is.
Actually no i don't live in one. I have heard some feedback on them and it seem's they still need a tweak. However I would like to here from you on how you see them.
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Ariete
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2015.02.11 22:09:24 -
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Chitsa Jason wrote:How would you communicate your CSM term to your voters if elected?
Well by talking to them.
Seriously in game wise i hang out in the wormhole channel, the help channel etc. You can always send me a mail or convo me. Out of game i'm on twitter, slackfleet and IRC.
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Kynric
Sky Fighters
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Posted - 2015.02.11 23:33:00 -
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Ariete wrote:Kynric wrote:Ariete wrote: Blackholes - They are still troublesome and under used. Giving them a more better use in wormhole space.
Do you live in a black hole? If not why are you so eager to advocate for changes to someone elses home? I live in a black hole and am very happy with the weather as it is. Actually no i don't live in one. I have heard some feedback on them and it seem's they still need a tweak. However I would like to here from you on how you see them.
The blackhole favors missiles as they experience a greater range and due to the explosion velocity bonus the damage application keeps up with the faster ships. Ships move faster and webs are less effective which favor mobility. The longer targeting range fits in nicely with both the faster movement and the longer range of missiles. That movement requires the pilot to think ahead a bit more as agility is challenged and speeds are higher. Turrets and drones both experience tracking issues as relative motion is often greater. Yes capital escalations are a bit more difficult but there is far more to life than the use of dreadnaughts for pve. That increased difficulty can be dealt with so it is not a deal breaker. All in all it is a good set of effects which work together in interesting ways. They permit different doctrines but are not as oppressive towards random guests as either the wolf rayet or pulsar. I would label it as something done right rather than a feature in need of change.
But all of that is not what caused me to trip over your request for my vote. My concern is that if you intend to advocate for the space I live in you should do so in a way that is respectful of the way I use the space and play the game. Half thought out ideas are harmful rather than helpful and to be honest it would be better to have less wormhole representation than a representative that causes bad changes. Should you be successful in advocating that my home changes the likely result is that I would have to move the team to a different system and that is not something that will earn you my vote. |
Ariete
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2015.02.12 11:59:07 -
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Kynric wrote:Ariete wrote:Kynric wrote:Ariete wrote: Blackholes - They are still troublesome and under used. Giving them a more better use in wormhole space.
Do you live in a black hole? If not why are you so eager to advocate for changes to someone elses home? I live in a black hole and am very happy with the weather as it is. Actually no i don't live in one. I have heard some feedback on them and it seem's they still need a tweak. However I would like to here from you on how you see them. The blackhole favors missiles as they experience a greater range and due to the explosion velocity bonus the damage application keeps up with the faster ships. Ships move faster and webs are less effective which favor mobility. The longer targeting range fits in nicely with both the faster movement and the longer range of missiles. That movement requires the pilot to think ahead a bit more as agility is challenged and speeds are higher. Turrets and drones both experience tracking issues as relative motion is often greater. Yes capital escalations are a bit more difficult but there is far more to life than the use of dreadnaughts for pve. That increased difficulty can be dealt with so it is not a deal breaker. All in all it is a good set of effects which work together in interesting ways. They permit different doctrines but are not as oppressive towards random guests as either the wolf rayet or pulsar. I would label it as something done right rather than a feature in need of change. But all of that is not what caused me to trip over your request for my vote. My concern is that if you intend to advocate for the space I live in you should do so in a way that is respectful of the way I use the space and play the game. Half thought out ideas are harmful rather than helpful and to be honest it would be better to have less wormhole representation than a representative that causes bad changes. Should you be successful in advocating that my home changes the likely result is that I would have to move the team to a different system and that is not something that will earn you my vote.
Thanks for the info. I would guess this is a case of people who don't live in black holes find it hard to adjust to the effects. Where as the people who do live there get use to it. I'll guess they will have to just figure it out.
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Ariete
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2015.02.14 15:15:51 -
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Well looking forward to the CSM X wormhole talk later tonight - [url]https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=403934&find=unread[/url]
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Ariete
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2015.02.14 23:05:34 -
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The Wormhole CSMX Talk is about to happen. Talk to the candidates.
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Seraph IX Basarab
Hades Effect Forsaken Asylum
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Posted - 2015.02.14 23:23:45 -
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Good platform to work with. Will be watching.
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Bellak Hark
New Eden Media Organization
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Posted - 2015.02.18 09:23:25 -
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Ariete
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Thanks for that.
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Ariete
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2015.02.18 22:00:38 -
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Filled out the Vote Match There is some quite useful information there.
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Seraph Essael
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
1051
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Posted - 2015.02.19 01:08:35 -
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Listened to the WH townhall, couldn't be there myself. I am concerned with a few of your ideas.
Namely:
Drama within the CSM. You are not there to police them. There is bound to be disagreements and they are healthy.
NPE. We're talking about from day one to a couple of months here right? Wormholes are not an new player thing. They don't have the skills to survive or be useful at that age. They can't run the sites effectively, can't PvP against things like T3's (for arguments sake) and they have no clue of game mechanics. These are things that are needed off the bat for living in a wormhole. I agree there needs to be more advertisement for wormhole space for new players, but new players are not useful to themselves. To this extent they would get very bored, very quickly.
Sovereignty. As wormholers, personally I think we should be very careful about this type of topic. We don't like it when Nullsec people, who do not live here, have a say in the day to day running of the way we live. Slippery slope.
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Okay so a couple of questions.
Do you feel wormholes are in a good shape currently and why?
Obviously lower class wormholes have been looked at a fair bit this year. Which possibly means that a look at higher class holes is coming. What do you feel are the three big things that need changing in higher class holes? Why do these things need changing and how would you propose they are changed.
How would you push for more PvP encouragement in wormhole space / do you think that there needs to be something added that would encourage more PvP to happen in wormhole space?
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Ariete
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2015.02.19 19:39:22 -
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Seraph Essael wrote:Listened to the WH townhall, couldn't be there myself. I am concerned with a few of your ideas.
"Drama within the CSM. You are not there to police them. There is bound to be disagreements and they are healthy."
In any organisation there will be always be disagreements and not liking the people who you work with, that's life. What you do need to be is professional and work with people regardless of your views of them.
"NPE. We're talking about from day one to a couple of months here right? Wormholes are not an new player thing. They don't have the skills to survive or be useful at that age. They can't run the sites effectively, can't PvP against things like T3's (for arguments sake) and they have no clue of game mechanics. These are things that are needed off the bat for living in a wormhole. I agree there needs to be more advertisement for wormhole space for new players, but new players are not useful to themselves. To this extent they would get very bored, very quickly."
The idea is as part of the exploration mission arc that you can do is to introduce you to wormhole space. By get you to scan down a wormhole which is instanced just for you so you can enter it and be tought to bookmark, scan and do some easy sites.
The new opportunities system which they have just announced instead of the mission system could make this harder, i will have to look at the new system on Sisi.
"Sovereignty. As wormholers, personally I think we should be very careful about this type of topic. We don't like it when Nullsec people, who do not live here, have a say in the day to day running of the way we live. Slippery slope."
As much as we like our wormholes been sov-less, every where else has sovereignty of one kind or another and it effects or interaction with K-space ie PVP, Logistics etc etc.
"Okay so a couple of questions.
Do you feel wormholes are in a good shape currently and why?"
Over all yes, there was some panic over the changes to wormholes and some people left. We got use to it now and things are picking up.
"Obviously lower class wormholes have been looked at a fair bit this year. Which possibly means that a look at higher class holes is coming. What do you feel are the three big things that need changing in higher class holes? Why do these things need changing and how would you propose they are changed."
There has been much improvement on the lower system, C4 space once the dearth of wormhole space are now thriving. C5 and C6 need a bit of work but not by much. Tweaks to the sleeper sites to make them more random, I don't think that CCP would give us sleeper dreads to fight.
"How would you push for more PvP encouragement in wormhole space / do you think that there needs to be something added that would encourage more PvP to happen in wormhole space?"
The PVP is good when you get it, it's nearly always who gets the most wins. That is the same all over Eve. However there is a problem that i see is when you find people to fight and they POS up, they see too much risk for little reward. Theres no easy answer for that and you can't fix it.
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