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Auduin Ituin
Guilty Pleasures
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Posted - 2015.02.05 08:45:55 -
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most of the time when I'm trying to escape from a mission, it takes 10-20s to warp, even after I'm at full speed and aligned. It just doesn't warp for ages, I can still do damage and I can still take damage. |
Celine Sophia Maricadie
Tal-Cel Industry and Salvage LLC
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Posted - 2015.02.05 09:02:18 -
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10 to 20 seconds to get to warp can be normal when trying to get out from a mission site/pocket.
In order to warp you must be "aligned" to the target destination in order to enter warp.
In order to be "aligned" you must be at 75% of your top subwarp velocity and in a vector towards the target destination (within 5-¦). The game doesn't recognize "facing" but it does vectors.
If you are at a complete dead stop it will take the same time to enter warp no matter your ship's "facing". It has no vector, and turning doesn't factor in. It's vectoring that's the factor. If your already in a vector (doing some subwarp velocity and in a given direction) your ship must correct it's vector in order to meet the "aligned" criteria. This means that unless you were moving in the direction of your intended warp destination it will take time to slow and correct to the necessary vector and then increase to the needed velocity again.
And in mission sites you can end up hung up on objects such as asteroids, large collidable objects (LCO) and structures (LCS), acceleration gates, etc., which your ship will modify it's vector until clear of the obstruction. Should this happen you need to stop your ship (CTRL -Spacebar, or click on you capacitor hud to set the speed to zero) and then double-click in space away from the object to move yourself away from the obstruction. Once clear you should then be able to warp.
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Aligning
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Auduin Ituin
Guilty Pleasures
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Posted - 2015.02.05 09:26:39 -
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I wasn't hung up on an object, afaik (not getting bumped by one). There was on in between me and the warpout point though. |
Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
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Posted - 2015.02.05 09:49:25 -
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The hit boxes of mission objects can be mis-leading so although it looks like you are clear of all collidables, you are actually hitting them.
Also, afterburners and microwarpdrives can increase the align time when warping, due to mass increases and agility of your spaceship.
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Brawlers Inc.
1421
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Posted - 2015.02.05 11:37:01 -
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If she were caught on a mission object, the ship would not be moving at full speed. I think the OP is talking about the ships speed visibly maxed, but the angle still being off. In larger ships with microwarpdrives on this can be extremely pronounced. My assumption is that your velocity vecotr is still not within 5 degrees of the warp target. Make sure to turn off your MWD when attempting to warp. This won't necessarily remove the issue, but it will drop your mass and speed up the process.
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Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
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Posted - 2015.02.05 11:51:25 -
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why has nobody asked for a ship/fitting yet?
Could well be in a plated battleship and 10-20 seconds would be entirely normal |
Sabriz Adoudel
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
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Posted - 2015.02.05 11:58:33 -
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I did not realise 5 degrees was the criteria. Here I was thinking that the criteria was v.ev (where v is your velocity vector, ev the vector defined by your max velocity and the direction of warp, and '.' is the dot product operator) is between 0.75 and 1.25 times ev.ev
I don't know why I thought that.
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Auduin Ituin
Guilty Pleasures
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Posted - 2015.02.05 12:10:44 -
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:If she were caught on a mission object, the ship would not be moving at full speed. I think the OP is talking about the ships speed visibly maxed, but the angle still being off. In larger ships with microwarpdrives on this can be extremely pronounced. My assumption is that your velocity vecotr is still not within 5 degrees of the warp target. Make sure to turn off your MWD when attempting to warp. This won't necessarily remove the issue, but it will drop your mass and speed up the process. See, it looks like I'm aligned (I'm not rotating, I'm at max speed), but I'm still not warping.
@Tsukino, Unplated cane. Align time is 16s, but that's not the issue (I think), I'm facing where I want to be warping and at max speed.
E:oh, and mwd off. I've had this issue after disabling the mwd (and being at max speed+aligned). |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.02.05 12:13:00 -
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Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
Also, afterburners and microwarpdrives can increase the align time when warping, due to mass increases and agility of your spaceship.
they also increse the required speed threshold for entering warp as while they cycle your max speed is higher, this is a pain in the arse on something like a 100mn ab fit legion (low agility, long cycle time)
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.02.05 12:38:28 -
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Auduin Ituin wrote:BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:If she were caught on a mission object, the ship would not be moving at full speed. I think the OP is talking about the ships speed visibly maxed, but the angle still being off. In larger ships with microwarpdrives on this can be extremely pronounced. My assumption is that your velocity vecotr is still not within 5 degrees of the warp target. Make sure to turn off your MWD when attempting to warp. This won't necessarily remove the issue, but it will drop your mass and speed up the process. See, it looks like I'm aligned (I'm not rotating, I'm at max speed), but I'm still not warping. @Tsukino, Unplated cane. Align time is 16s, but that's not the issue (I think), I'm facing where I want to be warping and at max speed. E:oh, and mwd off. I've had this issue after disabling the mwd (and being at max speed+aligned). What are you flying?
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Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
957
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Posted - 2015.02.05 13:17:55 -
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Auduin Ituin wrote:BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:If she were caught on a mission object, the ship would not be moving at full speed. I think the OP is talking about the ships speed visibly maxed, but the angle still being off. In larger ships with microwarpdrives on this can be extremely pronounced. My assumption is that your velocity vecotr is still not within 5 degrees of the warp target. Make sure to turn off your MWD when attempting to warp. This won't necessarily remove the issue, but it will drop your mass and speed up the process. See, it looks like I'm aligned (I'm not rotating, I'm at max speed), but I'm still not warping. @Tsukino, Unplated cane. Align time is 16s, but that's not the issue (I think), I'm facing where I want to be warping and at max speed. E:oh, and mwd off. I've had this issue after disabling the mwd (and being at max speed+aligned).
This is odd indeed.
Aura is saying "warp drive active" and then your velocity bar says "warping" right?
Only thing I can think of is latency or tidi. |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.05 13:29:50 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:Auduin Ituin wrote:BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:If she were caught on a mission object, the ship would not be moving at full speed. I think the OP is talking about the ships speed visibly maxed, but the angle still being off. In larger ships with microwarpdrives on this can be extremely pronounced. My assumption is that your velocity vecotr is still not within 5 degrees of the warp target. Make sure to turn off your MWD when attempting to warp. This won't necessarily remove the issue, but it will drop your mass and speed up the process. See, it looks like I'm aligned (I'm not rotating, I'm at max speed), but I'm still not warping. @Tsukino, Unplated cane. Align time is 16s, but that's not the issue (I think), I'm facing where I want to be warping and at max speed. E:oh, and mwd off. I've had this issue after disabling the mwd (and being at max speed+aligned). This is odd indeed. Aura is saying "warp drive active" and then your velocity bar says "warping" right? Only thing I can think of is latency or tidi. I had this before with a frig in fleet and in free space, everybody was fleet warping, my speed bar was full (warping) but I didn't move for about 10s ... and got killed. The one thing I can't fully remember was, whether I was aligned with MWD to somewhere else at this point in time, which could have induced the issue with direction change mentioned above.
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Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
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Posted - 2015.02.05 13:52:31 -
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This is one of those issues where everyone will be digging into game mechanics, but I'm quite convinced it's a persistant bug. Happens to me once every 50 times or so. Even when all conditions to warp are fullfilled, there is a slight chance your ship will simply keep moving at max speed for a few seconds more before actually going into warp. I have treated this as a bug for the last two years. |
Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
957
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Posted - 2015.02.05 14:02:43 -
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One last thing that it could be:
are you sure you're moving in the direction of where you are warping? Sometimes when I hit an accel gate at speed even when my ship has turned around to face where im warping I will still technically be aligning since my velocity isn't in the direction of the warp. |
Auduin Ituin
Guilty Pleasures
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Posted - 2015.02.05 14:32:17 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:Auduin Ituin wrote:BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:If she were caught on a mission object, the ship would not be moving at full speed. I think the OP is talking about the ships speed visibly maxed, but the angle still being off. In larger ships with microwarpdrives on this can be extremely pronounced. My assumption is that your velocity vecotr is still not within 5 degrees of the warp target. Make sure to turn off your MWD when attempting to warp. This won't necessarily remove the issue, but it will drop your mass and speed up the process. See, it looks like I'm aligned (I'm not rotating, I'm at max speed), but I'm still not warping. @Tsukino, Unplated cane. Align time is 16s, but that's not the issue (I think), I'm facing where I want to be warping and at max speed. E:oh, and mwd off. I've had this issue after disabling the mwd (and being at max speed+aligned). This is odd indeed. Aura is saying "warp drive active" and then your velocity bar says "warping" right? Only thing I can think of is latency or tidi. I dunno if aura says it (eve has sounds?) but velocity bar does say warping. In regards to your latest cement, I'm pretty sure. Enable tracking computer, click where I want to go and I'm looking at the back of my ship.
@Inx, I'm not sure if it's unintentional. It always seems to happen when I really want to escape (tank is failing). |
Auduin Ituin
Guilty Pleasures
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Posted - 2015.02.05 15:57:21 -
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http://i.imgur.com/0BoedoJ.jpg
Been like that since about 75% shield. Warped at about 51% |
Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
699
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Posted - 2015.02.05 16:09:03 -
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Auduin Ituin wrote:http://i.imgur.com/0BoedoJ.jpg
Been like that since about 75% shield. Warped at about 51%
Its the web thats causing it.
Whilst web can help you into warp quicker if you are stationary when you initiate warp.
If however you are already moving webs can extend the time it takes to get into warp, especially if you are also using a prop mod. |
Auduin Ituin
Guilty Pleasures
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Posted - 2015.02.05 16:11:39 -
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Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:Auduin Ituin wrote:http://i.imgur.com/0BoedoJ.jpg
Been like that since about 75% shield. Warped at about 51% Its the web thats causing it. Whilst web can help you into warp quicker if you are stationary when you initiate warp. If however you are already moving webs can extend the time it takes to get into warp, especially if you are also using a prop mod. Nope, that picture is of me while aligned but not actually warping. Had been like that since about 75% (said "warping") |
Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
699
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Posted - 2015.02.05 16:14:45 -
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Auduin Ituin wrote:Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:Auduin Ituin wrote:http://i.imgur.com/0BoedoJ.jpg
Been like that since about 75% shield. Warped at about 51% Its the web thats causing it. Whilst web can help you into warp quicker if you are stationary when you initiate warp. If however you are already moving webs can extend the time it takes to get into warp, especially if you are also using a prop mod. Nope, that picture is of me while aligned but not actually warping. Had been like that since about 75% (said "warping")
Its because of the web Players aren't allowed to do it, but NPCs cheat |
Auduin Ituin
Guilty Pleasures
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Posted - 2015.02.05 16:24:04 -
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Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:Auduin Ituin wrote:Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:Auduin Ituin wrote:http://i.imgur.com/0BoedoJ.jpg
Been like that since about 75% shield. Warped at about 51% Its the web thats causing it. Whilst web can help you into warp quicker if you are stationary when you initiate warp. If however you are already moving webs can extend the time it takes to get into warp, especially if you are also using a prop mod. Nope, that picture is of me while aligned but not actually warping. Had been like that since about 75% (said "warping") Its because of the web Players aren't allowed to do it, but NPCs cheat https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=968892#post968892 ? |
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Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
699
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Posted - 2015.02.05 17:29:00 -
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Auduin Ituin wrote:https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=968892#post968892 ?
The web stopping you warp part. Yes.
The unable to dock or cancel warp part no. It was just an example that being webbed can dramatically increase the time it takes to get into warp.
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Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
959
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Posted - 2015.02.05 17:34:51 -
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Ok didn't know webs were involved otherwise that would have been the obvious explanation. |
Winter Archipelago
Furtherance.
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Posted - 2015.02.05 18:38:40 -
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Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:Auduin Ituin wrote:http://i.imgur.com/0BoedoJ.jpg
Been like that since about 75% shield. Warped at about 51% Its the web thats causing it. Whilst web can help you into warp quicker if you are stationary when you initiate warp. If however you are already moving webs can extend the time it takes to get into warp, especially if you are also using a prop mod. Isn't that the opposite? If you're already moving (and your current speed is above your 75% threshold when webbed), webbing will immediately send you into a warp, but if you get webbed while stationary, it takes longer due to the reduced agility in addition to speed?
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Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY F0RCED ENTRY.
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Posted - 2015.02.05 18:45:10 -
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Auduin Ituin wrote:http://i.imgur.com/0BoedoJ.jpg
Been like that since about 75% shield. Warped at about 51%
Heres why you arent warping.
You need to be within a specific frame of speed(generally anywhere between 75% to 105% or so) of your current maximum speed possible.
If you are webbed, you are going too fast. Same as if you turn off your MWD while you are trying to warp.
For example, lets say that your maximum speed possible, is 300 m/s. That means that as long as you are anywhere between 225m/s and 315 m/s, you will be able to warp out instantly.
However, lets say that you are using a MWD. Your maximum speed increases to 1500 m/s. Now you need to be within 1125 m/s to 1575 m/s in order to warp instantly.
So, what happens when youre in the middle of trying to warp, and turn off your MWD, or are webbed?
Well, lets say you are going 1000 m/s with your MWD on, and you want to warp. Suddenly, you are webbed, or you turn off your MWD. In both cases, your maximum possible speed, drops, from 1500m/s to 300m/s. But you are still going 1000m/s, which means that you need to wait until your speed drops to around 315 m/s in order to warp.
This is why its taking you so long to warp.
On the bottom, it only appears as though you are going at 100% speed and therefore should be able to warp instantly. But in reality, you are actually going too fast. And if you are above 100%, say, going 500 m/s when your maximum speed is actually only 300m/s, you need to wait until your speed drops within range, in order to warp. |
Solonius Rex
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Posted - 2015.02.05 18:47:41 -
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Winter Archipelago wrote:Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:Auduin Ituin wrote:http://i.imgur.com/0BoedoJ.jpg
Been like that since about 75% shield. Warped at about 51% Its the web thats causing it. Whilst web can help you into warp quicker if you are stationary when you initiate warp. If however you are already moving webs can extend the time it takes to get into warp, especially if you are also using a prop mod. Isn't that the opposite? If you're already moving (and your current speed is above your 75% threshold when webbed), webbing will immediately send you into a warp, but if you get webbed while stationary, it takes longer due to the reduced agility in addition to speed?
I think that only works if your speed is below the 100% or so threshold. Its easy to test out with MWDs, when your MWD is on, and you are at about 50% speed(but more than 100% faster than without an MWD), and you turn off your MWD, your ship slows down to 100% or so speed before warping. |
Trevor Dalech
Adeptus Assassinorum Silent Eviction
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Posted - 2015.02.05 19:25:02 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:I did not realise 5 degrees was the criteria. Here I was thinking that the criteria was v.ev (where v is your velocity vector, ev the vector defined by your max velocity and the direction of warp, and '.' is the dot product operator) is between 0.75 and 1.25 times ev.ev
I don't know why I thought that.
Because it's the obvious way to do this... for anyone who has taken a basic linear algebra course. |
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
333
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Posted - 2015.02.05 21:44:42 -
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I don't know how or why but if I click to warp to something with my AB or MWD on and then click it off after the pre-warp algining and speed up has started I will hang up on aligned and at full speed for several seconds like the OP says. For this reason I often cycle off and let the cycle of my AB finish before warping.
I do not know the mechanics behind this or why it is so, wether it is a bug or not all that I can say is that it happens to me enough that I don't use ABs or MWDs in missions very often. |
Solonius Rex
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Posted - 2015.02.06 01:49:27 -
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ergherhdfgh wrote:I don't know how or why but if I click to warp to something with my AB or MWD on and then click it off after the pre-warp algining and speed up has started I will hang up on aligned and at full speed for several seconds like the OP says. For this reason I often cycle off and let the cycle of my AB finish before warping.
I do not know the mechanics behind this or why it is so, wether it is a bug or not all that I can say is that it happens to me enough that I don't use ABs or MWDs in missions very often.
Try hovering your mouse cursor above the bar to see what your actual speed in m/s is. Again, ive tried with the MWD, once you shut it off, and your speed is over the max(i.e. you were going 1000 m/s but when you turn off your MWD you only go a maximum of 300m/s) your speed will actually decrease to 300m/s before you can warp. You need to be within 75-100% of your maximum speed in order to warp. |
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.02.06 02:56:21 -
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Solonius Rex wrote:ergherhdfgh wrote:I don't know how or why but if I click to warp to something with my AB or MWD on and then click it off after the pre-warp algining and speed up has started I will hang up on aligned and at full speed for several seconds like the OP says. For this reason I often cycle off and let the cycle of my AB finish before warping.
I do not know the mechanics behind this or why it is so, wether it is a bug or not all that I can say is that it happens to me enough that I don't use ABs or MWDs in missions very often. Try hovering your mouse cursor above the bar to see what your actual speed in m/s is. Again, ive tried with the MWD, once you shut it off, and your speed is over the max(i.e. you were going 1000 m/s but when you turn off your MWD you only go a maximum of 300m/s) your speed will actually decrease to 300m/s before you can warp. You need to be within 75-100% of your maximum speed in order to warp. ya my bad. I did not read to the end before I posted. |
Solonius Rex
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Posted - 2015.02.06 03:00:02 -
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ergherhdfgh wrote:Solonius Rex wrote:ergherhdfgh wrote:I don't know how or why but if I click to warp to something with my AB or MWD on and then click it off after the pre-warp algining and speed up has started I will hang up on aligned and at full speed for several seconds like the OP says. For this reason I often cycle off and let the cycle of my AB finish before warping.
I do not know the mechanics behind this or why it is so, wether it is a bug or not all that I can say is that it happens to me enough that I don't use ABs or MWDs in missions very often. Try hovering your mouse cursor above the bar to see what your actual speed in m/s is. Again, ive tried with the MWD, once you shut it off, and your speed is over the max(i.e. you were going 1000 m/s but when you turn off your MWD you only go a maximum of 300m/s) your speed will actually decrease to 300m/s before you can warp. You need to be within 75-100% of your maximum speed in order to warp. ya my bad. I did not read to the end before I posted.
Yeah it confounded me a long time too, My blue speed bar was always full so i didnt know why i wasnt warping, so i tried hovering my mouse over and it showed that my speed was at like 900 or something, steadily decreasing speed.
Its a weird mechanic. |
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