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Master Sergeant MacRobert
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
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Posted - 2015.02.05 17:40:26 -
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So, in my mind, if you PvP as your primary activity and not because of Sov, you either:
1. PvP for profit (isk) or for Killboard efficiency (bragging rights) and maximise your kills whilst minimising your losses (risk averse PvP).
2. Take on as many opportunities for a fight (or engineer opportunities for a fight) as can be generated (despite the odds) at the expense of Killboard stats.
So, which do you choose and what motivates you to do so (why)?
"Remedy this situation or you shall live out the rest of your life in a pain amplifier"
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Mr Spaxi
The Bastards The Bastards.
10
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Posted - 2015.02.05 17:46:41 -
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It's kind of a mix of both - when I started the game, I would fight anything (consider that I am a pure frigate pilot) in order to learn as much as I could. Now, I fight both for ISK and Killboard efficiency, yes, bragging rights, because it's one of the things that motivate me to push forward, considering I'm a highly competitive type of person. So for myself, it's both, actually. Or maybe all three? This being my only character, the only way I earn ISK is by pillaging and ransoming. Right now, it's paying for all my ships and I have spare ISK in shape of a couple of billion.
It's generally frowned upon to be 'elitist' or to like your killboard, but there's nothing wrong with it. It's an achievement as any other - do you want to be rich ISK wise; maybe hold your own Sov. We're all aspiring to something, and as long as we aren't douche bags it doesn't matter.
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Ares Desideratus
Star Children Of Cain
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Posted - 2015.02.05 18:05:59 -
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I PvP for fun. Nothing is more fun in life than interacting with other humans, without them there would be pretty much no reason to go on living and life would be incredibly dull. I want to make as much noise as I can and I want to be the best.
That's why solo PvP is actually just a myth, because any PvP, by definition, requires more than one player in order to be considered PvP.
I suppose I started out just wanting to be the best. I wanted to kill everyone and be the guy that never dies. I'm still working on that. But the main reason is for fun, so I try to maximize my win / loss ratio to the best of my abilities, but in the end you have to get out there and you have to participate, and in doing so there will always be losses.
I remember when I first started pvping I was perplexed at why I was unable to even hit another frigate with my turrets. Now I'm doing things that I would have thought were impossible back then.
It's just an evolution, like anything else, I put myself in the role of villain, because... well, someone has to, to make it fun.
The name of the game is fun.
I'm a creator, preserver, destroyer, I like making things and doing stuff.
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Ares Desideratus
Star Children Of Cain
196
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Posted - 2015.02.05 18:10:00 -
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I mean, having a reason to go to war with someone, or whatever, is always a good thing. But this is a game, so from a role-playing perspective, you really can just make up any reason you want to, and then just go with it. It doesn't really matter. It can be something really dumb or it can be something that's actually really cool, either way it's going to be awesome and fun.
I'm a creator, preserver, destroyer, I like making things and doing stuff.
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Nightingale Actault
Big Richard Club Ghosts of Deep Space
112
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Posted - 2015.02.05 18:25:24 -
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3. To complete an objective. In SOV / FW occupancy of a system can be a defining reason to PvP. |
Phig Neutron
Rubicon Cubism
12
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Posted - 2015.02.05 18:56:55 -
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It's a roleplaying game, where you get to play the pirates. All MMO games have some kind of NPC monsters run by AI. Only EVE has "monsters" with human intelligence and who sincerely intend to beat you. So I guess you could say I do it for the challenge, or to challenge others. |
Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
839
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Posted - 2015.02.05 19:27:09 -
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you can do 2. thing when you do 1. thing so i do not see any reason do only 2. thing. |
Mr Spaxi
The Bastards The Bastards.
11
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Posted - 2015.02.05 22:27:48 -
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Being ISK efficient doesn't coincide with taking every fight.
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Ares Desideratus
Star Children Of Cain
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Posted - 2015.02.05 22:54:27 -
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Mr Spaxi wrote:Being ISK efficient doesn't coincide with taking every fight. That's what I was going to say. If you take every fight that basically means you jump into Rancer and fight their gatecamp, no matter what ship you're in.
It basically means you lose a lot of ships.
I'm a creator, preserver, destroyer, I like makin' stuff and doin' things ~~~~~~ 0% Efficiency in Fucks Given ~~~~~~~ nun wow mom unu
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Christine Peeveepeeski
The Imperial Fedaykin Amarrian Commandos
708
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Posted - 2015.02.05 23:23:28 -
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Depends on my mood :)
The former if a bunch of hard countering, no fun, hot dropping, 50/50 logi/combat ship toting, no skill f1 monkeys with more sp than sense roll by.
If someone thats up for a fight, has a small gang and is clearly looking to go hard or go home rolls in then game on bud game on with the latter option please :) |
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Oreb Wing
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
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Posted - 2015.02.06 03:21:49 -
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1) Often I say I care little for efficiency, but I'm often catching myself checking the KB to see what the guys have been up to and while I'm there I can't help checking out my month. Neither am I much for profit, as most of the loot just goes into the closest station and is forgotten in time, unless there's a faction drop!
2) Is my bloodlust so wreckless that I disregard my losses for the slightest chance of the adrenaline or content? I would say no.
Futhermore, I've often seen #2 when I fly with a majority of FC's that are obsessed with #1, which leads to many suicide tackles and unnecessary losses. They get caught up and the moment takes control of THEM, leading to compulsive assaults that are measured after-the-fact by Isk ratios. I am not a fan of this kind of deployment. It removes the art of engagement and strategy that these same FC's employed to see long numbers and green on the KB.
Now, I don't FC often, but when I do I try to visualize a few things.
1) Will I likely lose any ships? 2) Do I have to lose any ships? 3) Do I have to reship, get numbers or adjust my doctrine? 4) Will it be a good fight?
If I can get two Yes'/No's, it's on! If there is only one yes or no, you are going to drag your feet into the next ship.
My best pvp moments involved the thought: 'Can I engage with something inferior and worth less, but pilot and fit in a way that my disadvantage guarantees a fight with a high probability of victory?'
The satisfaction found in those fights have trumped every other type of engagement I have experienced, with most of them being in a t1 frigate. You don't think about KB after those fights. You don't end the day by "burning through ships until you win". And you don't rely on numbers to represent your ability.
tl;dr I shoot anything my guns can track |
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
3164
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Posted - 2015.02.06 06:15:30 -
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i pvp because chicks love it
how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
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Bad Messenger
Nasranite Watch
844
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Posted - 2015.02.06 08:25:02 -
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Ares Desideratus wrote:Mr Spaxi wrote:Being ISK efficient doesn't coincide with taking every fight. That's what I was going to say. If you take every fight that basically means you jump into Rancer and fight their gatecamp, no matter what ship you're in. It basically means you lose a lot of ships.
i doubt there is anyone who will always suicide his ship without thinking he might get some kills. |
Mr Spaxi
The Bastards The Bastards.
13
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Posted - 2015.02.06 10:36:41 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:Ares Desideratus wrote:Mr Spaxi wrote:Being ISK efficient doesn't coincide with taking every fight. That's what I was going to say. If you take every fight that basically means you jump into Rancer and fight their gatecamp, no matter what ship you're in. It basically means you lose a lot of ships. i doubt there is anyone who will always suicide his ship without thinking he might get some kills.
Not necessary suicide his ship, but go against odds - yes, people (including myself) do that.
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Erehwon Rorschach
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
132
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Posted - 2015.02.06 13:32:28 -
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I like watching stuff blow up, whether it be myself or someone else.
Sometimes I think my killboard could be a bit cleaner, but I remember how much fun it was to do what I did.
Suicide? Yes I do that for lols :) (as demonstrated in my recent nado loss)
YOLO?
Because your mum just couldn't say no.
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ValentinaDLM
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
577
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Posted - 2015.02.06 13:51:45 -
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I do it for fun, there are lots of fights I have taken that are super risky and I had my ass handed to me but usually I had a good time during the fight....overheating everything trying to take someone down with me is infinitely more satisfying that orbiting a Titan and jumping thru to gank a target. |
flaming phantom
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
88
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Posted - 2015.02.06 14:02:28 -
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I do it for the challenge of solo pvp, which I am not the best at but still do enjoy sometimes.
I think it's also just fun to fly around with others and try and find someone else to shoot at (who hopefully shoots back).
I don't really care about my killboard stats, but I am also not throwing my ships at any possible fight. I don't want to lose ships unnecessarily, but that's not because of killboards or stats, it's simply because I don't want to lose the isk/time spent on getting said ship (even if it's minimal) unless I have a reason for it. I would more fall into the 1st category due to the "risk averse" clause, but I wouldn't say I am really risk averse, I just also don't like needlessly throwing away isk and free kills to others.
All great men have mustaches
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Ares Desideratus
Star Children Of Cain
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Posted - 2015.02.06 14:43:53 -
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Bad Messenger wrote:Ares Desideratus wrote:Mr Spaxi wrote:Being ISK efficient doesn't coincide with taking every fight. That's what I was going to say. If you take every fight that basically means you jump into Rancer and fight their gatecamp, no matter what ship you're in. It basically means you lose a lot of ships. i doubt there is anyone who will always suicide his ship without thinking he might get some kills. Thinking you're going to get kills and actually getting kills are two different things. You might think you can get a kill when you take your Incursus against two Ishtars, but in reality you will be obliterated in seconds.
I'm a creator, preserver, destroyer, I like makin' stuff and doin' things ~~~~~~ 0% Efficiency in Fucks Given ~~~~~~~ nun wow mom unu
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Chance Ravinne
WiNGSPAN Delivery Services
59
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Posted - 2015.02.07 15:39:39 -
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Engaging other ships is just plain fun! Especially when you get to surprise the other pilot with beautifully packaged ammunition. Who doesn't love a surprise party?
You've just read another awesome post by Chance Ravinne, CEO of EVE's #1 torpedo delivery service. Watch our misadventures on my YouTube channel: WINGSPANTT
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Plato Forko
Forko Nanorobotics
125
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Posted - 2015.02.08 18:43:10 -
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i'm just addicted to space loot.
There's nothin' like skating away from a fight with the hull on fire, some mods burned out and a cargohold full of loot.
See my terribad blog for stories.
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Liam Inkuras
AQUILA INC Verge of Collapse
1438
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Posted - 2015.02.09 04:42:51 -
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Because killing people and taking their belongings IRL is frowned upon
I wear my goggles at night.
Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone
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Artuard Envien
Bonanza Excavation
21
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Posted - 2015.02.10 11:29:51 -
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To test myself against different opponents and odds. I most certainly do not care about my kb but I love to destroy people who do :-) |
Stalence
Caldari Colonial Defense Ministry Templis CALSF
35
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Posted - 2015.02.16 18:28:03 -
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Honestly just do it because its fun and I especially enjoy the teamwork and things that my team can accomplish on the battlefield.
My favorite moments in EVE are some small-gang fights where our fleet was out-numbered and out-shipped but we still managed to punch above our weight-class and come out on top. Nothing is as awesome as your DPS pilots firing on all cylinders, effectively spreading ewar and tackle while following primaries, all the while as your logistics pilots do a hero's job of holding reps while they fight through occasional jams and neuts. |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
1709
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Posted - 2015.02.17 11:31:59 -
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First and foremost PVP is about affecting the game world. That can be a slight diminishing of hostile forces (a "kill") or outright destruction of assets by sieging them. Somewhere along the line one guy decided I want X and went out and got it. The meta game is all about creating conditions, the gameplay is all about handling your ships / squads / fleets well, scaling from frigate 1vs1 to capital warfare. To me PVP for "fun" is practice for the real thing: safeguarding your assets at home and kicking ass along border lines as best as you can. Depending on where you live what constitutes a "border" is off course variable. In our case our geographical location allows us to be dominant in a certain market and do some market PVP.
I started out as a simple pirate, rather making less money from ganks / kills then PVE all day. Turned out I like the metagaming stuff too, so my philosophy is a little less black-and-white as the OP's proposition. Right out there in the middle of all these connected mechanics I want to be the guy that says I want X and creates content along the way. I's a healthy mix between PR and PVP. |
Faylee Freir
Defining Harassment
57
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Posted - 2015.02.18 20:15:01 -
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3. I can ruin someone's day because they care too much about #1 & #2. I enjoy the thrill of hunting someone down and executing them with style. Some light RP makes it humorous to me, but very annoying to them. |
Silvester Cooper
White Pony Bullet Factory
0
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Posted - 2015.02.19 15:50:36 -
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A little of both really. I don't care much for KB stats but there is always a drive for that wtf killmail where you dunk a Proteus with an Atron. But those situations usually only happen because the Prot pilot was a bad. They are fun to laugh about but not really that satisfying.
I will take a 1 on 1 frig battle with a skilled pilot any day. Win or lose, its about the moment for me. |
Jegrey Dozer
Ruatha Holdings
52
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Posted - 2015.02.20 05:02:38 -
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I like to destroy other ships to reinforce my ego that I am good at PvP.
Unfortunately, I suck. Therefore, I continue to play the game until my desire to prove my skill to myself is satiated. |
Johnny Jinks
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
41
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Posted - 2015.02.21 18:34:32 -
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"i died. I mean... i died on purpose. i meant to do that."
I like that philosophy. |
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