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Eli Talix
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.06 18:57:12 -
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tl;dr: Not an attack on any of the games mentioned but sharing my thoughts and experience in the game so far and interested in other peoples views. Hopefully I've explained myself well enough to bring across my point without rambling too much.
So I'm currently on my trial. I'm guilty for trying this game once before but it never really stuck.
The concept of the entire game is what draws me so much, the ideology that people speak of when ever Eve is a subject of topic. How anything goes, that the game is what you make of it and a true sandbox. I like so many of the ideas behind Eve - the one server, the freedom to do so much and really just set any direction for your character, the ruthless pvp and scams, the complex market etc etc. You put the idea of Eve down on paper against other game designs for something to get immersed into, I would choose Eve everytime.
Now I come from a background where I love depth but I'm also one for enjoyable moment to moment game-play. I'll give an example, I enjoy the fast paced gameplay in some other popular games such as League of Legends or Dota or even WoW. But i crave for a game where I can really sink my teeth into, grow as a player and see my character do the same, perhaps try and make a name for myself. WoW although the moment to moment gameplay I find fun, I get bored after a few days/weeks as I start to realize the lack of depth and everything being easily obtained in the game. World pvp, something I love is mostly in the past in that game and apart from high tier organized pvp you don't need to use your brain a tremendous amount in things such as leveling or regular instances.
Now when it comes to Eve, the opposite is in fact true. I love the depth, the learning curve is something I'm willing to have the patience for but everytime I play I struggle to continue. I want to enjoy this game so much but ultimately the slow paced and dull moment to moment gameplay really saps my willingness to continue. As you can tell from above, pvp is what i'd imagine myself liking in this game above anything else but the combat gameplay felt dull. I found myself alt tabbing alot during mining missions or drop offs where I had to jump system several times. The game seems like you have to have the mindset where your overall goal and social aspects are where you draw your fun from and that the moment to moment gameplay is a tedious aspect that you perform to achieve those goals. Am I wrong in saying that?
Has anyone come from similar backgrounds before trying Eve or had that initial difficulty getting immersed and enjoying the game? Some people may simply tell me to join a corp and see how it goes but shouldn't the game be fun at first with the corp and social aspect enhancing that. I enjoy talking about design but I've rambled long enough, I'd like to hear other peoples views on this because as of right now I'm unsure whether I've just not uncovered the fun yet or I'd have to have a different taste in games to enjoy Eve. |
Cannibal Kane
Blood Raiders Elite
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Posted - 2015.02.06 19:37:25 -
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Like any sandbox games the enjoyment of it comes from your ability to use the tools to your disposal.
They idea is make your game, your own story. That is why you will not see the same type of singular hand holding from quest to quest like you would in other themepark based MMO's.
So no... I have been playing EVE creating my own game for a few years now. I play the game the way I want to play it and it has been one hell of a ride thus far. Yes sometimes you get quite times but it depends on how much effort you are willing to put in to make it exciting.
"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
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Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
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Posted - 2015.02.06 19:50:07 -
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you're limiting yourself from doing things that are familiar to you because of old habits.
Missions, mining etc all boring as hell.
Inject some risk into your gameplay and the excitement levels pump up to levels you never even know existed.
every pvp encounter feels like that promo to diamond 1, last win for gladiator in arena or that world first raid boss down. Eve has adrenaline you would not believe. |
J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2015.02.06 20:03:55 -
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A. Get a source of income in game (how ever you like. Personally, I sell a PLEX that I bought with RL money every couple of months for a cash injection).
B. If yoy want to PvP...go PvP.
* RvB * Public roams / communities (Commonly known as NPSI). * Faction Warfare *Go to lowsec / nullsec.
EVE is what you make of it. If it is boring, dull, slow paced...it is because of your own actions or lack of actions. If you dont like mining, then dont do it. If you dont like to do missions, then stop running missions. As said, you are falling for the common trap by people new to EVE (I must mine/mission and cant PvP) as well as the "WoW" crowd (by sticking to your habits of WoW and using that game as a template tonhow you play EVE).
What is stopping you from getting in a frigate, set course to 'active' lowsec and fight anything that moves???
And..
NO.
The game should not be fun solo and corp play a bit of extRa.
A. EVE is a MMO, 2nd M stands for Multiplayer. Thus it should be made to be played tgether with others.
B. EVE is 100% about player interaction. So, obviously, working with other player will likely benefit your gameplay.
So, yeah, join a corp / be part of a community. 100% solo play (no interaction with others) and I can garuantee you that there is a near 100% chance you will give up very soon.
Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded
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Orlacc
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Posted - 2015.02.06 21:27:04 -
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Imagination helps a lot. Like playing in a sandbox. I pretend I am deep in Indian territory collecting beaver skins as I explore null......any moment I may be found out and must fight to survive!
Ya know stuff like that.
"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
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Cara Forelli
Green Skull LLC
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Posted - 2015.02.06 22:35:44 -
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Eli Talix wrote:Some people may simply tell me to join a corp and see how it goes but shouldn't the game be fun at first with the corp and social aspect enhancing that? I am guilty of this. I always recommend new players join a corp as soon as possible, or at least go out and interact with other players.
However, it's not because the game is boring without social interaction. In fact despite being in an active corp and socializing with them every day I still spend a large portion of my play time doing solo activities, whether it's combat...market manipulation...locating newbies lost in wormhole space...etc.
I wouldn't know how to do any of those things if I hadn't joined a corp. Before I joined my first "real" corp I ran some missions...dabbled in some trade and exploration...did some production. But I didn't interact with anyone. I had no idea what other opportunities there were. I probably would have played for a few more weeks and then quit from boredom and frustration (my ship fits were abysmal).
Take PVP for example. Let's say you are interested in player combat. You could go fit up a frigate or cruiser with a cookie cutter fit from google and fly into low sec. You'll probably die horrifically. You won't have a clue what killed you or how. You'll probably get shot by gate guns and you'll probably get podded (pod killed) because you didn't know to warp out. You won't learn anything from the experience because it was over so fast you forgot to activate your armor repair.
....Unless! You strike up a conversation with your killer. They'll explain that you illegally aggressed them near a star gate and so the gate guns shot you. They'll show you the fit they were using and explain the difference between a warp disruptor and a warp scrambler (that's why your microwarpdrive wasn't working!) They will teach you how to save your pod by selecting a celestial and spamming warp as your ship is destroyed.
Sure you could learn all these things from reading if you knew to search for them. But you're new. So you don't. And the fastest (and funnest) way to learn these details is from other players.
With that in mind you go and join a corp focused on PVP. You start to learn the differences between ships just from listening to other people's experiences. In hindsight, shooting that Rapier on the gate in your laser Merlin was a bad idea (downright silly). And there are so many kinds of combat you didn't even know about! There's fleet fights and there's solo pvp. There's small gang fights. There are ships that can prevent you from doing anything (ewar) and ships that can heal you (logistics). There is Faction Warfare and there is piracy. There is suicide ganking and suspect baiting. There is cloaky warfare. There is fleet boosting and there is structure bashing. There is stalking and scanning and scouting. By joining a corporation you expose yourself to all these things.
EVE is massive and complex and daunting. It's easy to get stuck in a rut doing comfortable things. But it isn't fun. Challenge yourself. Make some friends. Join their activities and branch out. There's always something new to try.
*This post was written intermittently over several hours and probably makes no sense
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.02.06 22:40:23 -
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I also came from WoW to Eve. So many things I want to say that I almost don't know where to start.
WoW is a scripted linear game. You can play that game solo and if you get in a good guild it will be a little more fun but the game play will remain at it's base the same.
Eve is a sandbox. There is no script. There is no real content other than that which you make. This game is a true MMO in that it's all about what you do with other players. If you are trying to solo this game unless you have some social disability like autism spectrum stuff you probably won't like this game. PvE in this game is basically boring and grindy and just a way to get isk to PvP and make the losses feel real as you had to grind the isk for that ship which adds more personal investment into the loss than just running back from the graveyard. So no this game won't be fun solo you need friends.
As far as the game that you want to like I think a lot of people like to think of themselves in a certain way even if they are not that way. What I mean is I think that most PvPers want an easy win like an "I win" button but don't want to think of themselves as someone who is looking for easy wins so they go through mental contortions to make themselves believe the are doing it the hard way and still winning. Basically what I am saying is that I think most players want an easy game that they can believe is hard. My evidence for this is all the MMOs that start out hard and struggle with subs and then watch their subscriptions go up as they nerf the game.
Eve takes away any illusion of a fair fight. It rewards dedication, perseverance and persistence. You will never be the biggest baddest mofo in this game because the second you think you are or claim to be a handful of other guys will come hunting for your frozen corps. This game is not about even up PvP like arena or 40 man BGs that are essentially like a football game. Eve is all about turning the odds in your favor. In that respect it's more like real war than a football game. If your neighbors in null are bigger than you and giving you a hard time, find other enemies of theirs and make a secret pact or infiltrate the alliance and cause chaos from within.
You might want to watch some of the Rooks and Kings videos to see a group of guys who enjoy going up against larger forces and turning the odds in their favor.
If you think eve combat is slow and uneventful that is because you don't know what you are doing. Watch some of the twitch streamers and you will see how busy they are. There is so much to do with regards to combat in this game that it often comes down to how much you can manage because no one can do it all.
In other MMOs like WoW there are a lot of things to give you a sense of accomplishment. Lots of noises for leveling up for example and flashy things and faction leaders telling you that you are the biggest strongest hero ever. You mom does not play Eve. There is no one here to hold your hand and tell you good job. There are no candy crush noises to reward you. In Eve sometimes you get punched in the face and loose and sometime you get punched in the face and win but one way or another you are getting punched in the face and if you win your reward is that you get to leave with the same ship that you came in, and in some cases loot some sweet faction mods from your foe's wreck. |
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
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Posted - 2015.02.07 01:10:56 -
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14 days is not enough to truly immerse yourself in Eve. Neither is 21. It took me a couple of months actually, but my then I realised I didn't immerse myself in the fancy graphics and lackluster story arcs. Eve is full of different personalities, preferences, flavours and concepts made by the players themselves. Getting involved in that is hard, takes time and a bit of trust, a rare commodity in a hypercompetative pvp sandbox.
Believe me, PVE combat is nothing like actual PVP. CCP does more effort nowadays to steer NPCs towards a little more player-like AI but nothing beats outsmarting an actual opponent. Or a hundred. Eve is like chess, where you are (potentially specialized) piece that can excell or fail on it's own account. The whole PVE part is just to keep the economy running but for a PVPer comes down to punishment for failure. This gives losses weight and assets value. Players play the markets and asess risks well before making a move, cash in and go do whatever they find most enjoyable. If you experience "grind" you are simply putting to little thought into what you are doing.
I generally PVP and do PVE when I see a good oppurtunity. Or only have a little time to play. Or when chatting on comms. I try to do as much of it outside of hisec, and have my fingers in a lot of different markets. I just pay for my sub but I don't buy PLEX with real money: I make enough of it ingame to manage my PVP habits but I do have to say it took a while. You just have to find a few things you enjoy to make isk, and a few to spend isk on. Then do those things with others and your are hooked. Thats what keeps me immersed for 3 years steady now. |
Eli Talix
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.07 15:40:28 -
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I appreciate all the feedback you guys gave. Was interesting to read other peoples views.
So I've signed up for Brave Newbies and just finishing off the sisters of eve arc before i move on from the newbie area, learning what I can. Gonna get my feet wet and see what the game truly has to offer :) Thanks all. |
J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
5795
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Posted - 2015.02.07 16:08:31 -
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Eli Talix wrote:I appreciate all the feedback you guys gave. Was interesting to read other peoples views.
So I've signed up for Brave Newbies and just finishing off the sisters of eve arc before i move on from the newbie area, learning what I can. Gonna get my feet wet and see what the game truly has to offer :) Thanks all.
Be sure to read the "How did you veterans start" sticky.
Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded
Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
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