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Jenny Aakiwa
Vengance Inc.
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Posted - 2011.12.01 07:53:00 -
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I have literally scanned over 2 hours to find all 40 sites of WH Space and only to find out that there is only 1 WH is open. Since the expansion was released, exploration is made next to impossible for majority of my corp and for me. So my corp and I agreed that it is messed up that expansion make a lot of things worse. So I offer a few solutions:
1. Make sites more easy to identify AKA don't require Probe strength to identify the category. (make scanning harder if you have to, this is pretty useful!) 2. Reverse exploration changes to previous setting before the expansion (If you must...) 3. Increase probe strength to be 3 times as strong. (If you don't like the "Show Category on All Sites" then do this.)
Now I go and logoff, because I have a freaking headache and am pissed off about it. |
St Mio
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
158
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Posted - 2011.12.01 08:28:00 -
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What did they change with the last expansion? Aside from adding filter categories and new sites, everything else seems the same to me |
Mart Allini
Lead Farmers Kill It With Fire
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Posted - 2011.12.01 09:09:00 -
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They didn't change anything with regards to scanning in Crucible apart from allowing you to filter on different types.
If it takes you two hours to scan down 40 sites(presumably not locking them all to 100% if you are specifically looking for wormholes), then you are doing something wrong. |
Tess La'Coil
Starfrackers Inc Quantum Forge
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Posted - 2011.12.01 11:33:00 -
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If you are finding 40 sites in one null system you're doing it wrong. When searching for WH's only enable "Cosmic Signature" checkbox.
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Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.01 12:44:00 -
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You sound kinda not so smart.
Maybe you should do missions or mine ore or something. |
LuckyChoosenOne
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.01 13:33:00 -
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I agree with Jenny - probing sucks a lot, probes stenght is reduced, i got maxed skill and i cant probe signature cuz when i reduce range of probes it always disapear, and it doesent metter if i use 7 probes i got always the same this game starting to sucks more and more from day to day |
Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.01 13:37:00 -
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LuckyChoosenOne wrote:I agree with Jenny - probing sucks a lot, probes stenght is reduced, i got maxed skill and i cant probe signature cuz when i reduce range of probes it always disapear, and it doesent metter if i use 7 probes i got always the same this game starting to sucks more and more from day to day
So leave.
Biomass your character.
Its unlikely anyone will notice. |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
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Posted - 2011.12.01 13:54:00 -
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LuckyChoosenOne wrote:I agree with Jenny - probing sucks a lot, probes stenght is reduced, i got maxed skill and i cant probe signature cuz when i reduce range of probes it always disapear, and it doesent metter if i use 7 probes i got always the same this game starting to sucks more and more from day to day
Scanning seems to work very close to normal for me, although how probes are shown in the scanning screen has changed making altering their exact location harder and the sites have been divided to new signal strength categories or new sites made for them. What you experience seem like a bug to me though and I haven't experienced anything like that after the expansion. I'm ignoring all the other possible explanations for it, since a maxed out prober should know how to do it properly by now. |
Jenn Makanen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.01 14:16:00 -
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Destination SkillQueue wrote:LuckyChoosenOne wrote:I agree with Jenny - probing sucks a lot, probes stenght is reduced, i got maxed skill and i cant probe signature cuz when i reduce range of probes it always disapear, and it doesent metter if i use 7 probes i got always the same this game starting to sucks more and more from day to day Scanning seems to work very close to normal for me, although how probes are shown in the scanning screen has changed making altering their exact location harder and the sites have been divided to new signal strength categories or new sites made for them. What you experience seem like a bug to me though and I haven't experienced anything like that after the expansion. I'm ignoring all the other possible explanations for it, since a maxed out prober should know how to do it properly by now.
That'll be another person ignoring the mention in other threads that filtering has been implemented. and you have to tell your filter which signatures you want to see. |
Bohiam
Age of Discovery
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Posted - 2011.12.01 14:26:00 -
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I explore and probe a lot and have not noticed any difference at all apart from the ones listed for change from CCP.
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5nipe
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.01 14:35:00 -
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It looks very suspicious. After reading OP I went to low sec (approx an hour after DT) and scanned dozen systems where something is up for sure like radars or magneto. All those 11 systems dead empty,now, except 9 WH I have found. In last system I had 5 signatures, 3 of them were 6/10 strength, and my first thoughts were that someone complains on forum again. Nops, all 5 were wormholes. Very strange.
Filters. I have no idea why this filters introduced in first place. You still need to scan signature to 25% to make this filters work anyway. And if you don't ignore signature and after moving probes, signature strength lower than 25%, sig appear on the list again. After reading the patch notes I wondered if this filter makes signatures exception without further scanning, but after testing it on TestServer, I just made "on" on all options and forgot about existence of this future. I don't know, may be someone will find it useful, but for me it is just yet another confusion options.
Yet another little change. I haven't never, ever seen so many "drone" sites in Caldari hi sec. May be I just unlucky with particular area?
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Flakey Foont
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.01 15:13:00 -
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LuckyChoosenOne wrote:I agree with Jenny - probing sucks a lot, probes stenght is reduced, i got maxed skill and i cant probe signature cuz when i reduce range of probes it always disapear, and it doesent metter if i use 7 probes i got always the same this game starting to sucks more and more from day to day
IN THE PATCH NOTES it says you will need to redo the filters. So if you are looking for radar and it is not checked in the filter, it will disappear at 25%.
Is that easy enough cuz?
P.S. If anything exploration is better. I made a load of isk last night. |
Scortched Merc
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.01 16:33:00 -
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I think everyone should just stop exploring... there is nothing to find! E .-+ ` ' / -+. F Your tears fuel my internet spaceship. |
SexTrader
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.12.01 19:43:00 -
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Scortched Merc wrote:I think everyone should just stop exploring... there is nothing to find!
THIS.
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Your Messiah
ObamaNation Inc
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Posted - 2011.12.01 20:55:00 -
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Scortched Merc wrote:I think everyone should just stop exploring... there is nothing to find!
Seriously. I only found two Angel 3/10's last night. Both only had a Domi frig which dropped tags, ammo and Domination Stasis Webifiers. I hate when expansions break stuff. |
Celery Man
Talocan Mining And Industrial Talocan United
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Posted - 2011.12.01 22:16:00 -
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This is why I hate being on holidays when expansions come out, I lose out on harvesting massive sums due to the ineptitude of those unable to adapt or read properly :( |
1-Up Mushroom
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.01 22:38:00 -
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Confirming nothing changed about exploration or scanning with this expansion, just the filters 5 Senses In A Person... 4 Seasons In A Year... 3 Colors In A Stoplight... 2 Poles On The Earth... ONLY 1-UP MUSHROOM!!!-á If You Like My Sig, Like Me! |
Dbars Grinding
Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2011.12.02 00:01:00 -
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last sites i have tryed to do a a wild tengu usually appears and i rage quit for the day. Other than that **** exploration. |
Emperor Salazar
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2011.12.02 00:12:00 -
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Dbars Grinding wrote:last sites i have tryed to do a a wild tengu usually appears and i rage quit for the day. Other than that **** exploration.
tengus drop the best loot
you just have to 1 or 2 shot them
gl hf |
tofucake prime
The Hatchery Team Liquid
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Posted - 2011.12.02 01:51:00 -
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Jenny Aakiwa wrote:I have literally scanned over 2 hours to find all 40 sites of WH Space and only to find out that there is only 1 WH is open.(Trying to get out of nullsec) Since the expansion was released, exploration is made next to impossible for majority of my corp and for me. So my corp and I agreed that it is messed up that expansion make a lot of things worse. So I offer a few solutions: 1. Make sites more easy to identify AKA don't require Probe strength to identify the category. (make scanning harder if you have to, this is pretty useful!) 2. Reverse exploration changes to previous setting before the expansion (If you must...) 3. Increase probe strength to be 3 times as strong. (If you don't like the "Show Category on All Sites" then do this.) Now I go and logoff, because I have a freaking headache and am pissed off about it. A better solution would be for you and then majority of your corp to stop playing. Nothing is broken and all of your "fixes" are dumb. |
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Kaptain Kruncher
Gemini Technologies Fortis Malleus
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Posted - 2011.12.02 07:40:00 -
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Every expansion I have seen produces the same stupid threads: "Everything is broke!" Sadly, most people don't read the patch notes or the multitude of blogs that come out saying what has changed.
Personally, I wish they would make exploration harder. The way it used to be was a mysterious little profession with closely guarded secrets. You actually had to go out and EXPLORE!
If you want consistent results and no mystery- run missions. |
Scortched Merc
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.12.02 11:24:00 -
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Emperor Salazar wrote:
tengus drop the best loot
you just have to 1 or 2 shot them
gl hf
I accept your challenge... E .-+ ` ' / -+. F Your tears fuel my internet spaceship. |
Minta Contha
Emergent Entity KONZERN
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Posted - 2011.12.03 02:00:00 -
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LuckyChoosenOne wrote:I agree with Jenny - probing sucks a lot, probes stenght is reduced, i got maxed skill and i cant probe signature cuz when i reduce range of probes it always disapear, and it doesent metter if i use 7 probes i got always the same this game starting to sucks more and more from day to day
Got to be your technique, or using inappropriate equipment. My skills are not maxed, and yet I never fail to be able to get a sig to 100%, given a little time. |
Lo Res
Southern Cross Incorporated Flying Dangerous
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Posted - 2011.12.07 07:03:00 -
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There's lots of anger to the Op's suggestion. Lots of defensive posturing. Loosen up.
I've jumped into a wormhole system often where there were 30-40 signatures. I have maxed skills and can often scan down a signature in less than 60 seconds. What's frustrating to me is not how long it takes to scan down a signature...
What IS frustrating is having 30-40 signatures and only 1 of them is a wormhole. (The wormhole I came in through.)
I don't think it is unreasonable to ask if a signature ID like TXE-447 could give a clue about what kind of signature I'm probing down. I would like a clue that I've jumped into a dead end system.
People will say that a particular type of signature is a wormhole, or a ladar site based on its signal strength. I wish I could believe them, but I've learned through experience that this just is not true. I've scanned down dozens of sigs in a system just to have the very weakest signature be a wormhole, or a grav or mag site.
Maybe there could be specific probes that we could use that would give strong hits on a particular kind of signature?
Just throwing stuff out there. |
VcujoV
THORN Syndicate BricK sQuAD.
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Posted - 2011.12.07 08:06:00 -
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Emperor Salazar wrote:You sound kinda not so smart.
Maybe you should do missions or mine ore or something.
I just don't get people like you. No wonder eve community is famous of having lots of as@%^#@s |
VIP Ares
BALKAN EXPRESS Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2011.12.07 08:25:00 -
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I read the whole thread, but I still do not see that anything has changed. Can OP explain where is the problem? |
Sam Redshift
PCG Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.12.07 08:31:00 -
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LuckyChoosenOne wrote:I agree with Jenny - probing sucks a lot, probes stenght is reduced, i got maxed skill and i cant probe signature cuz when i reduce range of probes it always disapear, and it doesent metter if i use 7 probes i got always the same this game starting to sucks more and more from day to day
The sigs may not disapear but only may be positioned outside of the spheres of the re-sized and re-positioned probes. Signatures outside of the scanning spheres are so faint that they are very hard to spot even if they are just outside.
Grab all your probes, hold shift and move the cluster up and down some distance. In most cases, the sig you are looking for is flashing back into existence when your scanning volume is passing over their position. When I started scanning I was puzzled about disapearing sigs till I noticed what happened .
Not sure if this will fix your problem. Just a potential cause to be eliminated.
Cheers, Sam |
Sam Redshift
PCG Enterprises
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Posted - 2011.12.07 08:38:00 -
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Lo Res wrote:There's lots of anger to the Op's suggestion. Lots of defensive posturing. Loosen up.
-snip-
I don't think it is unreasonable to ask if a signature ID like TXE-447 could give a clue about what kind of signature I'm probing down. I would like a clue that I've jumped into a dead end system. -snip-
Maybe there could be specific probes that we could use that would give strong hits on a particular kind of signature?
Just throwing stuff out there.
Agreed!
You know that you can do this by using deep space probes? You need astrometrics V and you can use dsp's to id signature types.
Check out St. Mio's amazing deep space probing guide!
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1566275 |
St Mio
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2011.12.07 09:00:00 -
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DSPs will help you regain your sanity if your static WHs are on different rows to your Radar/Mag/Grav/Ladar sites: http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/dsp/wormhole.html |
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