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Sithron Meidai
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Posted - 2006.10.01 20:38:00 -
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Piracy = Greed = A retrospective view of human existance, and what shall be the eventual downfall of our economical and civilised society?
Discuss.
...Wow, i'm thinking deep today. :D
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lofty29
Gallente Praxiteles Inc.
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Posted - 2006.10.01 20:41:00 -
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The way I see it Piracy = Fun = Better than mining ---------------------------
I pwnz0r your sig, muahaha - Tirg Noes i got beat by a girl >.< - Xorus |
cytomatrix
Caldari Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.01 20:49:00 -
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Edited by: cytomatrix on 01/10/2006 20:49:26
Originally by: Sithron Meidai what shall be the eventual downfall of our economical and civilised society?
Damn double post..
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cytomatrix
Caldari Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.01 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Sithron Meidai what shall be the eventual downfall of our economical and civilised society?
Mining and more concord protected areas.
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Ivan Kirilenkov
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.10.01 21:00:00 -
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I've pirated for large parts of my time in EvE, and sadly I've never been very rich. I also do it for the fun and thrill, but yes, the JackPotKill(TM) is part of it. That aside, piracy creates demand, which creates opportunities for people to feed their children, their dog and the bird next door. Therefore, your equation should be;
Piracy = Greed = Demand = The Invisible Hand => The Triumph of the Caldari State!
By the Gods, I've brought Adam Smith into a piracy discussion. Quick! Medication and some juicy targets please! :)
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Jin Entres
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.10.01 21:03:00 -
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Piracy = destroyed ships = demand for minerals = profitable mining
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Verus Potestas
Caldari Fiat Mort
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Posted - 2006.10.01 21:15:00 -
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Carebearing is greed. Pirating is joy.
RAWR!111 Sig Hijackz0r!!11 - Immy |
lofty29
Gallente Praxiteles Inc.
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Posted - 2006.10.01 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Ivan Kirilenkov Piracy = Greed = Demand = The Invisible Hand => The Triumph of the Caldari State!
All CCP workers / Volunteers have caldari mains, which is why theyre overpowered! ITS A CONSPIRACY, I TELL YE!!!
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I pwnz0r your sig, muahaha - Tirg Noes i got beat by a girl >.< - Xorus |
Major Stormer
Caldari Demon Womb Xelas Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.01 21:31:00 -
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Quote: Lets be honest.....
Why? --------------------------
AHH the Stupid forum DELETED(!) all my mod chat in my sig when i added this image :( |
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Ivan Kirilenkov
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2006.10.01 21:36:00 -
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Originally by: lofty29
Originally by: Ivan Kirilenkov Piracy = Greed = Demand = The Invisible Hand => The Triumph of the Caldari State!
All CCP workers / Volunteers have caldari mains, which is why theyre overpowered! ITS A CONSPIRACY, I TELL YE!!!
SSSSHHH! Don't TELL anyone! CCP stands for Caldari Created Production!
eve-crc.net | forum rules |[email protected] He's a mdoerator you know - Serathu |
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mazzilliu
Caldari Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.10.01 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: Sithron Meidai Piracy = Greed = A retrospective view of human existance, and what shall be the eventual downfall of our economical and civilised society?
Discuss.
...Wow, i'm thinking deep today. :D
wait.. our society is civilised? discuss
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Galan Amarias
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Posted - 2006.10.01 22:12:00 -
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Originally by: mazzilliu
Originally by: Sithron Meidai Piracy = Greed = A retrospective view of human existance, and what shall be the eventual downfall of our economical and civilised society?
Discuss.
...Wow, i'm thinking deep today. :D
wait.. our society is civilised? discuss
Nope, our society is armed, all that means is it is usually polite.
As for the definition of Piracy, well I think Greed is a poor choice of words if you mean a desire to accumulate ISK. If you mean "Greed" as the desire to play through advesarial armed contact.. well that's closer but still a poor defination of "Greed"
So how about some better terms.
Low Security Space - A region of space that is less developed by the major powers and is not widely policed. Containing both the oppurtunity for vast wealth and the danger of hostiles.
Unsecure Space (0.0) - A vast undeveloped region of space with phenominal resource potential and much higher levels of danger.
So what keeps low sec and 0.0 from becomming just more high sec? Two things, 1 the inability of concord/the empires to extend their infulence into these regions to fully pacify them. 2. The hostiles in the regions preventing player groups from establishing total control.
Ergo if there were no pirates all space would be high sec and we'd have crappy mins and concord everywhere. Remember there are no good mins in high sec because they are "safe" and all the good stuff has been mined dry.
Now as for that nonsense about a retrospective view of human existance. Piracy is all about taking from those who can't or won't defend themselves. But the loss is property and time. Thanks to clones no one dies in EVE. Is that greedy? Well no more so than the desire to mine veldspar and charge outragous prices for T2 ships.. Greed motivates most human behavior, Piracy is just violently greedy.
Finally, it's a game, ment to bring players into conflict. If that is too much for you they make plenty of MMO that encourage only hostile co-operation.
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Tuang Pao
The-Wrath
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Posted - 2006.10.02 01:41:00 -
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Flip a coin. Heads, you're a pirate. Tails, you're not. So what?
Both are faces of the same coin. Duality is illusion.
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Laythun
Undercover Brothers
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Posted - 2006.10.02 07:08:00 -
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Piracy does not make me rich.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.02 08:41:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 02/10/2006 08:41:05
Originally by: lofty29 The way I see it Piracy = Fun = Better than mining
This is about as deep as Im going too. :) Its just a game. Pew pew pew.
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kublai
Short Attention Span
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Posted - 2006.10.02 09:19:00 -
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Lets make veldspar roids drop massive amount of zydrine and megacyte, and see how the carebears enjoy prices dropping from 4k+ to 10ISK pr unit.
Supply/demmand Risk/profit
If there is no risk involved in obtaining an item, and any idiot can risk-free get his hands on it, this item is not profitable unless purchased/mined and sold in MASSIVE quantities.
It's why it's more profitable to produce HaC's than frigates, the profit margin on a frigate is so small you'll need to sell hundreds upon hundreds to see a profit, whereas few people are able to supply hac's or the minerals to the hac's, these are sold with a massive profit margin on even one unit.
If you seeded HaC bpo's on the market and slapped the materials needed to build them in jita, well, HaC's would cost about the same as any rifter.
Also, in human society pirates are poor asian people barely able to feed their family, and attack oil tankers with ak47's and sling shots from tiny canooes.
I hardly think they will be the downfall of society, if you're saying pirates in eve will be the downfall of society, I think no, computer games as the downfall of society? Very possible, but what a way to go!
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Red Ochre
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Posted - 2006.10.02 09:27:00 -
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Label: Carebears= hi-sec society and the majority of the community.
Label: EMO'S= pirates/random killers. people with real issues grabbing those chuckles.
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Fto Cruise
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Posted - 2006.10.02 09:39:00 -
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Without pirates, there is nothing.
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Lifewire
Caldari TunDraGon
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Posted - 2006.10.02 10:38:00 -
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Quote: Without pirates, there is nothing.
QTF
Since EVEs PVE risks are really easy to handle, the only elements in this game that bring real risk and the counterbalance to rich indutrial players are player pirates. And without real risk the game would be fubar.
And please, donŠt tell me now how dangerous NPCs are - they camp gates without sramblers - lol
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Twilight Moon
Minmatar Malicious Intentions
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Posted - 2006.10.02 10:48:00 -
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Piracy helps people learn to defend themselves and keeps the economy ticking over.
So, you see, I'm really helping you.
---------------- ...on the other hand using a banana might be a viable alternative. Anyone Recruiting? 8m SP PvP Character looking for a new home, for a life as a pirate. Contact Via EVE-Mail. |
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Antodias
Puppets on Steroids iPOD Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.02 10:50:00 -
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I pirate to restore balance, I'm far too poor and those miners are far too rich.
Why raise myself to their standards when I can lower them to mine?
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Shaemell Buttleson
Euphoria Released Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.10.02 11:05:00 -
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Originally by: Laythun Piracy does not make me rich.
Coz you are crap at it hehe. BTW how you getting on?
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Kitana Bane
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Posted - 2006.10.02 11:17:00 -
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First you must accept the truth - there is no spoon.
Then you must accept that to progress in game you need time and money. Time for skills Money for ships and equipement.
Piracy, Bounty hunting, Mission running or Mining are all means of getting money (with various degrees of risk/fun/profit).
When you accept these facts you realise that if piracy is greed then everything more then just chatting in the local is greed. (unless you donate everything you mine or get from drops).
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cat man
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Posted - 2006.10.02 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Fto Cruise Without pirates, there is nothing.
and too many pirates and there is nothing,
as miners cant get the high end miners without to much loss
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Raith Seinar
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Posted - 2006.10.02 11:39:00 -
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1. EVE is a game; games are fun! I don't worry about the costs of piracy too much as I can logout and all the "pain" goes away
2. I do however believe that the risk/reward to piracy needs tweaking. As it stands, a pirate is good at PVP inherently. The risk for a pirate is lowered sec rating, forcing him/her to stay in low sec. As they're good at PVP anyway, this isn't much of a punishment.
I stand ready to be corrected, but I believe that there should be a larger benefit to hunting pirates other than the limited bounty; the bounty hunters should exist in the same numbers as pirates, to be their true foil. Perhaps some increased sec rating, allowing the bounty hunter to improve his CONCORD rating, and also his social skills allowing improved faction standings increases.
The pirates of this universe have their rewards in terms of loot, cash and infamy. The bounty hunters need the same level of rewards in order to make both play styles as valid as each other.
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Celeste Storm
Gallente Elite United Corp Antigo Dominion
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Posted - 2006.10.02 12:08:00 -
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Originally by: Raith Seinar 1. EVE is a game; games are fun! I don't worry about the costs of piracy too much as I can logout and all the "pain" goes away
2. I do however believe that the risk/reward to piracy needs tweaking. As it stands, a pirate is good at PVP inherently. The risk for a pirate is lowered sec rating, forcing him/her to stay in low sec. As they're good at PVP anyway, this isn't much of a punishment.
I stand ready to be corrected, but I believe that there should be a larger benefit to hunting pirates other than the limited bounty; the bounty hunters should exist in the same numbers as pirates, to be their true foil. Perhaps some increased sec rating, allowing the bounty hunter to improve his CONCORD rating, and also his social skills allowing improved faction standings increases.
The pirates of this universe have their rewards in terms of loot, cash and infamy. The bounty hunters need the same level of rewards in order to make both play styles as valid as each other.
just allow to shot at prats in high sec when they are in their carebaer cargo haulers ... I said the bad word...
Cel.
Originally by: Eldo Davip (Forum Mod) People shouldn't whine because something got taken away which wasn't theirs to begin with.
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themule
Caldari Insane Decision
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Posted - 2006.10.02 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: cat man
Originally by: Fto Cruise Without pirates, there is nothing.
and too many pirates and there is nothing,
as miners cant get the high end miners without to much loss
The high end mins seem to be flowing in nicely, so i guess there aren't too many pirates.
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Azret Deljanin
Caldari Advanced Security And Asset Protection
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Posted - 2006.10.02 13:03:00 -
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Pirates = Greed (now come on thats harsh, you say they are greedy but they have to make a living some how, too bad its at the expense of a carebear or someone lower skilled then themselves (too bad for the newbies, farmers, and miners who do not know how to defend themselves)).
Pirates = Cooperation = Business Model = Supply = Demand = and in return ISK! so yes Pirates are the epitome of the business model, exploit those without skills for the benefit of the skilled. For those of you who do not know how to defend yourself to a pirate, or lose a BS, it is all the cost of business. Think about it as a tax write off, having a ship is the cost of business, losing a ship is also the cost of it. The subconscious objective of a pirate is to teach others to PVP. Its the survival of the fittest, if you can't make it move on over for the next person who can.
Down with carebears, whiners, crybabies IMHO. --------
Now you will recieve us. We do not ask for your poor or your hungry. We do no want your tired or your sick. It is your corrupt we claim. It is your evil that will be sought by us. |
Celeste Storm
Gallente Elite United Corp Antigo Dominion
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Posted - 2006.10.02 13:28:00 -
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Originally by: Azret Deljanin Pirates = Darwinism at its finest.
Down with carebears, whiners, crybabies IMHO.
/sarcasm which such a fine attitude, I really dont wonder that low sec is as empty as it is. maybe the security is not the only thing, which is low at pirates.
Cel.
Originally by: Eldo Davip (Forum Mod) People shouldn't whine because something got taken away which wasn't theirs to begin with.
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Azret Deljanin
Caldari Advanced Security And Asset Protection
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Posted - 2006.10.02 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: Celeste Storm
Originally by: Azret Deljanin Pirates = Darwinism at its finest.
Down with carebears, whiners, crybabies IMHO.
/sarcasm which such a fine attitude, I really dont wonder that low sec is as empty as it is. maybe the security is not the only thing, which is low at pirates.
Cel.
Hmm is someone bitter that they couldnt keep their assets at bay. Remember, Eve is a sandbox game with limited control, think of it as the amazon jungle out there, you must survive at all costs. Its a very simple concept =). If you can't handle losing a ship to a pirate, find a safer route of travel. --------
Now you will recieve us. We do not ask for your poor or your hungry. We do no want your tired or your sick. It is your corrupt we claim. It is your evil that will be sought by us. |
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