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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.02.10 11:45:20 -
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Who the hell is talor swift?
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29759
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Posted - 2015.02.10 11:49:08 -
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someone who was cute six years ago
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Kaely Tanniss
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
233
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Posted - 2015.02.10 11:58:03 -
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Rain6637 wrote:I listened to the radio for the first time in a while yesterday, and heard Taylor Swift sing the lyrics, "Boys don't want love unless it's torture." What in the actual ****. If that's the type of thing girls are being fed these days, they can stay the hell out of my video game.
That made me LOL. I don't care for Taylor Swift. It says a lot when a woman as pretty as she is can't manage to keep a guy... or the whole of her musical career is based on her failed relationships. Definitely not a role model for any girl with half a brain.
If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
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Kaarous Aldurald
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
11716
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Posted - 2015.02.10 12:05:08 -
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Kaely Tanniss wrote:Rain6637 wrote:I listened to the radio for the first time in a while yesterday, and heard Taylor Swift sing the lyrics, "Boys don't want love unless it's torture." What in the actual ****. If that's the type of thing girls are being fed these days, they can stay the hell out of my video game. That made me LOL. I don't care for Taylor Swift. It says a lot when a woman as pretty as she is can't manage to keep a guy... or the whole of her musical career is based on her failed relationships. Definitely not a role model for any girl with half a brain.
I once told a co-worker that, if I were ever to date her, I would dump her as brutally as possible, just to get a song written about me.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Brawlers Inc.
1430
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Posted - 2015.02.10 12:05:47 -
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baltec1 wrote:Elenahina wrote:Part of it may the fact that a girl in teamspeak is generally enough to reduce corps of grown men to teenagers in a **** measuring contest. I imagine it's amusing at first, but I expect the novelty wears off after a while.
We stamped out that bullshit a few years ago. Its never completely gone...
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29762
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Posted - 2015.02.10 12:07:44 -
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My ex-wife is still suuuper mad at me, even though she's the one who decided to run off and start seeing other people. I was away at the time, in the Army (at flight school, in fact, which the timing of it still confuses me). She's so mad, that every time we talked to take care of official matters (records, legal documents), every other word of hers was an insult or swear word. Not sure what inner dialogue she has going on, to convince herself she's the victim in all this, but I'm sure it's golden.
So. Personally, caring about the gender of people who play my favorite video game really doesn't make sense. I'd like to keep it gender neutral and interact with people within the bounds of the video game mechanics, regardless of gender.
Really. I'd prefer to not know.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor Cosmic Consortium
5745
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Posted - 2015.02.10 12:07:46 -
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This thread reminds me of that classic Haacked post, "I knew how to validate an email address until I read the RFC."
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Kaely Tanniss
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
234
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Posted - 2015.02.10 12:14:02 -
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Rain6637 wrote:My ex-wife is still suuuper mad at me, even though she's the one who decided to run off and start seeing other people. I was away at the time, in the Army (at flight school, in fact, which the timing of it still confuses me). She's so mad, that every time we talked to take care of official matters (records, legal documents), every other word of hers was an insult or swear word. Not sure what inner dialogue she has going on, to convince herself she's the victim in all this, but I'm sure it's golden.
So. Personally, caring about the gender of people who play my favorite video game really doesn't make sense. I'd like to keep it gender neutral and interact with people within the bounds of the video game mechanics, regardless of gender.
Really. I'd prefer to not know.
Understandable. Personally, I don't care who knows...besides, once you get on coms, it all comes out anyways. Most people who have never been on coms with me either don't know or don't believe it and I don't care. My sex doesn't effect my ability one bit. As far as I'm concerned, we are all just fish in the same pond.
If I had a nickel for every time someone said women don't play eve, I'd have a bag of nickels to whack the next person who said it..
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29763
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Posted - 2015.02.10 12:24:49 -
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Agreed. When you take away the social programming, we're all the same, with different parts. Why this idea was called important by ISD, I have no idea. This thread should be shut down, so people can begin to disconnect gender from their idea of the scope of a video game, rather than trying to defend it as an issue. ****.
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Raymond Moons
Parallactic Veil
21
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Posted - 2015.02.10 12:35:06 -
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Kenneth Endashi wrote:Iyokus Patrouette wrote:You're all wrong. but no one is to blame. See the problem is the original question that has been asked 'Why don't more women play eve online'
The correct question to be asked is actually 'why don't more PEOPLE play eve online' We already know that women do in fact play this awesome game.
So the original question while perhaps the intentions being well meaning is in fact the answer to the question, feeling the need to ask this in the first place is part of the problem.
At the end of the day if my wormhole opens into you, whether you are a male, female, cat, dog or transformer I am going to try and kill you. . and maybe have some laughs and smack talk after the fact.
Stop asking why more women don't play, and simply ask why don't more people play. Iyokus Patrouette, thanks for commenting. I recognize and appreciate your sentiments toward player equality. I think your attitude toward indiscriminate murder is on par with all reasonable expectations of capsuleers throughout New Eden. In fact, I applaud your tenacity and I would hope discrimination in the literal sense is in fact a thing of the past, at least in those areas where we can help it. (And coming up, here is why I quoted your response. I don't mean to call you out. You've been helpful and you commented most recently:) But I am concerned that for whatever reason, you are intentionally misinterpreting my question to make your own point that you don't feel like a gender discrepancy in Eve Online is a problem - and you are certainly entitled to that opinion - but to dismiss this entire thread as if my question is the problem would, itself, be a symptom of the problem you're referring to, if such a problem were to really exist (which I hear you saying it doesn't, and I respect your opinion and I recognize the spirit in which you said it and I don't think you're wrong). Once more, just to reiterate:I do not, as many of you have suggested, "mean anything" by the question. And again, to reiterate, I am looking specifically for research-based, or at least science-oriented - whether it be social science, cognitive science, computer science - answers. Without some basis in observable facts, we can't really have this discussion as the 15 pages of dialog, much of which was deleted by the ISD, has extensively proven. And again, once more, I am looking for answers to the question of why is it that - within the population of people playing Eve Online, small, rich and rewarding as it is - don't more women choose to play Eve Online?In this type of conversation, the kind of answers I'm looking for would be something short and to the point without too much personal anecdotes, which don't qualify as evidence, however interesting and informative to your life they might have been. Here's something I was thinking about, just as an example and maybe we can talk about it: I am looking at a 2008 study I saw recently in the Duke Law Journal published by Phillip Stoup, entitled The Development and Failure of Social Norms in Second Life in which Stoup argues that in many virtual worlds such as Second Life, what he calls "positive social norms" break down without intense regulation in the form of community moderation. I think it goes without saying that such regulations would not be in the spirit of Eve's hands-off approach by CCP, and a sentiment echoed throughout this forum (and a sentiment I agree with wholeheartedly) is that any attempt at community regulation on CCP's part would be grossly inappropriate. But while I think that's not a solution, I also believe that because of Eve Online's noteworthy complexity, the reasons for fewer women gamers would have to be much more complex than that. Perhaps even societal? That's the kind of discussion I am trying to have - something based on research and evidence - and if anyone wants to have that talk, that's why I started this thread. The extreme, politically charged rhetoric being used here has no place in the sensitive and important discussion I tried to facilitate. In this type of conversation, we feed each other constructively, riffing on mutual curiosities rather than shutting down the discussion before it can even get started.
Eve doesn't have generic appeal, as evidenced by the low subscriber rate. Those that do play are such a small number that it would be unreasonable to expect that small number to be an accurate reflection of all the types of people in society.
Eve is also optional. So it doesn't need to have oppressive social controls to make sure no one is ever offended, No one is forced to play. If people don't like Eve they can play something else. I don't see this as a problem as Eve is optional.
Abuse in game is a seperate issue. I would think it impossible for anyone to play Eve and never be subjected to abuse. Rather than waffle on about my experiences and those of the people I have played with, I will just say that some people are more sensitive than others, and the harsh nature of Eve perhaps encourages abuse, which will ultimately upset players that are more sensitive to it.
I'm not suggesting that sensitivity is THE reason why more women don't play Eve, but it is A reason why more people don't play Eve. |
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
22447
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Posted - 2015.02.10 12:45:29 -
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I think the length of discussion on this topic proves that there hasn't been anything of much interest passing through GD.
I like guys in EVE. People are extremely polite and on the average more intelligent than people you run into at the local Starbucks. I have two older brothers and I've been teased, hair pulled, sat on, some of my dates hit on, my toys broken, you name it for most of my childhood. And I love my brothers to death. A picture of a gaping orifice in fleet or "off" comments would be tame in comparison to things I'm used to. But my experience has been, over and again, that people in EVE are extremely nice and generous to a fault. Even negative experiences have turned out to evolve and change and mature.
People in EVE like me or hate me based on my actions and my abilities, not based on how I look. This makes me want to learn the game and be better at it so that I can be useful to others and be part of their circles and groups. EVE is in many ways the meritocracy that RL should be.
And a point that I think almost no one has mentioned. At its very core as a game, there is absolutely nothing sexist about EVE. CCP has done well designing a gender neutral game, which also happens to be the most fascinating and complex game I've ever played.
As for Rain listening to Taylor Swift.. this just tells me that he wants to understand women, but ends up more confused than before.
Friendship is the best ship.
Sabriz for CSM go go go
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29764
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Posted - 2015.02.10 12:48:36 -
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Or I turned on the radio and after two minutes of listening I was left disturbed.
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Memphis Baas
134
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Posted - 2015.02.10 12:51:51 -
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Rain6637 wrote:Why this idea was called important by ISD, I have no idea.
It's a social issue that CAN be debated civilly, that can potentially give them ideas to how to increase their player base.
Maybe CCP should focus on attracting different personality types, rather than men vs. women. The whole issue with explorers vs. achievers vs. whatever in video games has been studied a bit already. Maybe they could structure some sort of feedback channels specifically for the concerns of various groups, either through the CSM or through the petition system or whatever, that way they get the issues straight from the people affected, rather than through a forum discussion like this.
They do have projects that can lead to different kinds of players joining; they've rebalanced combat but are also looking at improving the social aspects of the game through making the corp. interface better, hopefully. Maybe they can enhance the Show Info window for pilots, corps, and alliances to be more like facebook wall pages, with others being able to post comments and interact. More social media stuff.
Some have called the EVE player community hostile; I don't know if we're hostile against new people joining, to me it just seems like we're PVP-centric, which is what the game promotes.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
882
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Posted - 2015.02.10 13:00:24 -
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This is coming from a few pages back but I thought I should say it before I lose my train of thought:
There seems to be a few people not quite following each other's plots, the arguments seem to run along these lines,
"I am a woman and tend to stick to women only corporations and alliances because men are immature." "We aren't immature! You are demanding that we change EVE!" "Just telling you why you do not have many women on comms" "Get out!" "Oh my gosh! They don't want women in EVE!" "No! We don't want women trying to change EVE!" "Wait. Hang on! Women don't want to change EVE. They just want to find groups within EVE who are mature and won't keep trying to have comms sexy time with them." "No! No! No! We must stomp this thread into the ground! If CCP see this they will have people reporting us for sexual harassment to the GMs everywhere for everything!" "This game is already getting too much like Second Life with all the paint and clothes for sale!" "Yeah! They want to break up my group of friends where I can be a raging thirteen year old while in my fifties!" "No. You can keep your group of friends. Just saying, if you want women in your groups, you need to behave a certain way."
"Nevah! Not listening to you! Lalalalalalal"
.... and so it goes on and on.
CSM Ten movement for change.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29764
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Posted - 2015.02.10 13:02:00 -
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And now a word from one of our proud sponsors
OK, run like a girl
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now play EVE like a girl
Always' #likeagirl
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Leannor
Central Builders Incorporated Northern Associates.
101
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Posted - 2015.02.10 13:17:38 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:This is coming from a few pages back but I thought I should say it before I lose my train of thought:
There seems to be a few people not quite following each other's plots, the arguments seem to run along these lines,
"I am a woman and tend to stick to women only corporations and alliances because men are immature." "We aren't immature! You are demanding that we change EVE!" "Just telling you why you do not have many women on comms" "Get out!" "Oh my gosh! They don't want women in EVE!" "No! We don't want women trying to change EVE!" "Wait. Hang on! Women don't want to change EVE. They just want to find groups within EVE who are mature and won't keep trying to have comms sexy time with them." "No! No! No! We must stomp this thread into the ground! If CCP see this they will have people reporting us for sexual harassment to the GMs everywhere for everything!" "This game is already getting too much like Second Life with all the paint and clothes for sale!" "Yeah! They want to break up my group of friends where I can be a raging thirteen year old while in my fifties!" "No. You can keep your group of friends. Just saying, if you want women in your groups, you need to behave a certain way."
"Nevah! Not listening to you! Lalalalalalal"
.... and so it goes on and on.
Hilarious. ;)
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Shin Jan
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2015.02.10 13:18:54 -
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Congrats Op, you succeeded in enticing a good part of the 4% real girls playing Eve Online, in one thread.
We can now resume our quest to find a girlfriend online, and go to phase 2.
Oh and don't forget : do not show them that you are interested, otherwise you will lose value. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9686
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Posted - 2015.02.10 13:20:50 -
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EVE's 5-8% female population isn't that far out of the norm.
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/130552/unmasking_the_avatar_the_.php?print=1 |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29765
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Posted - 2015.02.10 13:23:58 -
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Shin Jan wrote:Congrats Op, you succeeded in enticing a good part of the 4% real girls playing Eve Online, in one thread.
We can now resume our quest to find a girlfriend online, and go to phase 2.
Oh and don't forget : do not show them that you are interested, otherwise you will lose value. Also be alpha male
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
883
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Posted - 2015.02.10 13:24:33 -
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Kaely Tanniss wrote:Rain6637 wrote:My ex-wife is still suuuper mad at me, even though she's the one who decided to run off and start seeing other people. I was away at the time, in the Army (at flight school, in fact, which the timing of it still confuses me). She's so mad, that every time we talked to take care of official matters (records, legal documents), every other word of hers was an insult or swear word. Not sure what inner dialogue she has going on, to convince herself she's the victim in all this, but I'm sure it's golden.
So. Personally, caring about the gender of people who play my favorite video game really doesn't make sense. I'd like to keep it gender neutral and interact with people within the bounds of the video game mechanics, regardless of gender.
Really. I'd prefer to not know. Understandable. Personally, I don't care who knows...besides, once you get on coms, it all comes out anyways. Most people who have never been on coms with me either don't know or don't believe it and I don't care. My sex doesn't effect my ability one bit. As far as I'm concerned, we are all just fish in the same pond. Done some acting in my time. I am pretty good at mimicry. I just have to practise some lines and I can sounds like a woman to many guys. (If I go off script and have to pronounce unpractised words or I get emotional in some way then I start to slip and drop words but I know there are better mimics than me.) I can even look like a woman.
Then there are voice synthesisers that work directly on modulating your sound driver.
You can also pretend to have a broken mic. The only critical thing about comms is listening to the FC.
CSM Ten movement for change.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
886
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Posted - 2015.02.10 13:33:48 -
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Sibyyl wrote: I think the length of discussion on this topic proves that there hasn't been anything of much interest passing through GD.
I like guys in EVE. People are extremely polite and on the average more intelligent than people you run into at the local Starbucks. I have two older brothers and I've been teased, hair pulled, sat on, some of my dates hit on, my toys broken, you name it for most of my childhood. And I love my brothers to death. A picture of a gaping orifice in fleet or "off" comments would be tame in comparison to things I'm used to. But my experience has been, over and again, that people in EVE are extremely nice and generous to a fault. Even negative experiences have turned out to evolve and change and mature.
Your parents might have been more strict and instilled proper respect into your brothers.
--- A Texan walks down the beach, kicks a coke bottle and out pops a genie. Genie says, "Looks man. I failed at school, so I can't give you three wishes, only one big one." "Weeeeell I awlwAAAaaays waAANNnttaad a hIGHway frooom hEERee tOOO HaWAAIiiiieee tOOO dIIVVee mAAA truck th're" "If you are saying that you want a high way from Texas to Hawaii, that is a pretty tall order. Is there anything else you might prefer." "Weeeeell I awlwAAAaaays waAANNnttaad ta unDEErstAAANnd thEEM womEEEns folk." "Will that be two lanes or four?"
CSM Ten movement for change.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29766
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Posted - 2015.02.10 13:34:18 -
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Love the broken mic story.
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Celise Katelo
State War Academy Caldari State
58
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Posted - 2015.02.10 13:44:53 -
[413] - Quote
19 pages
EVEBoard ...Just over 18million skill points, each skill was chosen for a reason. I closed my eyes & clicked another skill to train... "BINGO...!!!" ... "This time i got something usefull"
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Raymond Moons
Parallactic Veil
22
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Posted - 2015.02.10 13:52:28 -
[414] - Quote
Celise Katelo wrote:19 pages
And still no contribution from CCP! When are they gonna send someone to tell us that everything will be okay? They could at least show us a graph of the current player demographics and tell us whether they are okay with that as it is. |
Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
22450
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Posted - 2015.02.10 14:00:58 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Sibyyl wrote: I think the length of discussion on this topic proves that there hasn't been anything of much interest passing through GD.
I like guys in EVE. People are extremely polite and on the average more intelligent than people you run into at the local Starbucks. I have two older brothers and I've been teased, hair pulled, sat on, some of my dates hit on, my toys broken, you name it for most of my childhood. And I love my brothers to death. A picture of a gaping orifice in fleet or "off" comments would be tame in comparison to things I'm used to. But my experience has been, over and again, that people in EVE are extremely nice and generous to a fault. Even negative experiences have turned out to evolve and change and mature.
Your parents might have been more strict and instilled proper respect into your brothers.
I grew up in Watts. My brothers helped me survive it as a complete outsider. They named me, they changed my diapers and fed me. No one who wasn't us was allowed to touch a hair on my head, as far as they were concerned. Life is more complicated than a respect on/off switch. People who insist on that are ignorant of the world (which was Jenn's point).
Friendship is the best ship.
Sabriz for CSM go go go
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Goatman NotMyFault
Lubrication Industries Fortis Et Certus
170
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Posted - 2015.02.10 14:01:59 -
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Women like sims and closer interaction with other players. To talk wih a player within as ship.... dont float the boat for women.
Get WiS implemented, where chars can meet instation, that will attract women.... put in a bar and give players the ability to get virtual drunk, women will come.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
29766
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Posted - 2015.02.10 14:03:55 -
[417] - Quote
Sibyyl wrote:I grew up in Watts. Jesus
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Thorn en Distel
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2015.02.10 14:06:41 -
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Ya think? I predominantly play PVP MMORPG (in PVP guilds, on PVP servers), where there's generally fewer women than in the PVE ones. And the guilds I'm in and the other guilds we come in contact with are generally at least 15-20% female. If the EVE female population percentage is 5-8%, that is quite a bit outside the norm for even a PVP MMORPG. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
886
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Posted - 2015.02.10 14:09:53 -
[419] - Quote
Sibyyl wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Sibyyl wrote:I think the length of discussion on this topic proves that there hasn't been anything of much interest passing through GD.
I like guys in EVE. People are extremely polite and on the average more intelligent than people you run into at the local Starbucks. I have two older brothers and I've been teased, hair pulled, sat on, some of my dates hit on, my toys broken, you name it for most of my childhood. And I love my brothers to death. A picture of a gaping orifice in fleet or "off" comments would be tame in comparison to things I'm used to. But my experience has been, over and again, that people in EVE are extremely nice and generous to a fault. Even negative experiences have turned out to evolve and change and mature.
Your parents might have been more strict and instilled proper respect into your brothers. I grew up in Watts. My brothers helped me survive it as a complete outsider. They named me, they changed my diapers and fed me. No one who wasn't us was allowed to touch a hair on my head, as far as they were concerned. Life is more complicated than a respect on/off switch. People who insist on that are ignorant of the world (which was Jenn's point). I grew up in South Africa and Zimbabwe. You try cycling through an industrial area, that borders a township in South Africa, back and forth every week day, while being caucasian and tell me again about survival.
I know a guy, his parents died of AIDS and left him a young brother who also had HIV. He was 13 and his brother an infant. He sold newspapers on the street, had no one to help him at all and from the papers taught himself English. Worked his way up and became a pharmacists. His brother is one of the oldest living children born with HIV in that country.
He always has and still has proper respect for women.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
11718
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Posted - 2015.02.10 14:14:52 -
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Notice the typical pattern of the serial liar.
When confronted, escalate to an extreme degree, and hope that it's so extreme that no one will call bullshit on the story. Bonus points if the excalation improves the liar's claim to victimhood.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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