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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.02.09 03:03:35 -
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Just a small thing that I found interesting and came across today:
Genetically speaking, in the context of the cuckoo factor and cuckolding; altruism for a twin may not be the best evolutionary decision. (Decision in the unconscious calculation).
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Khergit Deserters
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Posted - 2015.02.10 19:50:43 -
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Therefore, it is possible that the primal human emotion uncontrollable, irrational, tormenting, raging jealousy developed, to prevent most individuals from even having the mental faculties to make that altruistic decision.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.02.10 19:58:49 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:Therefore, it is possible that the primal human emotion uncontrollable, irrational, tormenting, raging jealousy developed, to prevent most individuals from even having the mental faculties to make that altruistic decision. Me, us and them, maybe?
I also found the following argument interesting (adapted heaily):Quote:There are three things to control populations famine, plague and war or if we are lucky, birth control.
Trying to improve food production, much like modern medicine only alleviates the problem for a short time but in the long term such solutions only continue to fuel the exploding popultations. Sadly, eugenics has been heavily tar brushed along with genocide.
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Posted - 2015.02.10 21:47:26 -
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If only our walking catfish ancestors had had eugenetics, they could have shut down all mutations and kept this whole human thing from getting so out of hand. ::sigh::
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Bagrat Skalski
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Posted - 2015.02.10 23:07:28 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:Therefore, it is possible that the primal human emotion uncontrollable, irrational, tormenting, raging jealousy developed, to prevent most individuals from even having the mental faculties to make that altruistic decision. Evolution is propelled by change, if the society is changing, peoples and their emotional patterns will have to change also thru generations, or they will become obsolete and dead, without offspring.
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Something Random
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Posted - 2015.02.10 23:25:57 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Sadly, eugenics has been heavily tar brushed along with genocide.
Quoting because i can - im not sure where to go from here though
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Badel Jramodarr
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Posted - 2015.02.10 23:31:24 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Just a small thing that I found interesting and came across today:
Genetically speaking, in the context of the cuckoo factor and cuckolding; altruism for a twin may not be the best evolutionary decision. (Decision in the unconscious calculation). Two can achieve more than one. Altruism still survives because it produces a far greater result in the long term.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.02.11 00:56:14 -
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Badel Jramodarr wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Just a small thing that I found interesting and came across today:
Genetically speaking, in the context of the cuckoo factor and cuckolding; altruism for a twin may not be the best evolutionary decision. (Decision in the unconscious calculation). Two can achieve more than one. Altruism still survives because it produces a far greater result in the long term. It was not stated as an absolute. The logic would normally stand that a twin surviving is just as good as you surviving.Bagrat Skalski wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:Therefore, it is possible that the primal human emotion uncontrollable, irrational, tormenting, raging jealousy developed, to prevent most individuals from even having the mental faculties to make that altruistic decision. Evolution is propelled by change, if the society is changing, peoples and their emotional patterns will have to change also thru generations, or they will become obsolete and dead, without offspring. If we believe in evolution why do we ensure that the dim and feeble not only live but also breed?
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Khergit Deserters
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Posted - 2015.02.11 01:11:12 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: If we believe in evolution why do we ensure that the dim and feeble not only live but also breed? It seems to have worked out so far. Some of the dim ones might have been tougher than others. And some of the feeble ones might have been less dim than the others. --Recent studies---* suggest that most humans lean toward either muscle or phrenetic, but not both.
*Source: A The Economist article, citing something from Nature. Don't mean it's true. But it does fit into an old human common sense observation/stereotype.**
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.02.11 02:41:01 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:... most humans lean toward either muscle or phrenetic, but not both. Muscular or energetic? I think if you are talking about muscle and intellect then I happen to know a long list of people with both. (A great many of them do mountain climbing, dancing and martial arts; I guess it requires more neurons than lifting weights).
I believe that our brains are evolving mostly as a response to other people, perfecting the ability to manipulate each other. However, in terms of our immune systems, eye sight and such, we have artificial crutches that are propelling those genese forward and helping them thrive.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.02.17 18:09:00 -
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5AunfmI8bs&t=2h40m
Tin foil hat on - the challenges to net neutrality, the enforcement of copy right protection ... (parallels not saying this is hidden solid truths)
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Khergit Deserters
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Posted - 2015.02.18 02:28:38 -
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Net neutrality is a test of the idea of Equality vs. Freedom. "Socialists" would say people should have the same share, no matter what their degree of personal power is. They shouldn't be oppressed by big players with more money/power. "Capitalists" would say that that's stifling freedom for those that have the initiative to become more powerful and shape their own futures. Coddling the whiners.
Both sides think they're the ones being the rebels defending freedom from oppression. It's an unsolvable dilemma, as yet.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.02.18 06:47:13 -
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I think when you look at the rampant capitalism and the way it uses and discards people, I think it is obvious that it is probably not the best solution. I advocate for a Technocratic Meritocracy with Socialistic tendencies.
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Badel Jramodarr
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Posted - 2015.02.18 11:16:01 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: I believe that our brains are evolving mostly as a response to other people, perfecting the ability to manipulate each other.
Our brains don't need to evolve to do this, it is made to do it already. It's part of a learning curve we go through in life. Manipulation is the first thing we learn. The first time we learn it is when we cried as babies to get the attention of our parents. First you learn to manipulate, then you learn there is no need for manipulation to get what you need. Lying is another interesting one, somewhat related. For a child, lying is a sign of intelligence at a young age, it shows brain development, the next step is learning how to get what you need without lying.
...but people have to choose to learn the next step on their own.
Hence trolling is childish behaviour
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Bagrat Skalski
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Posted - 2015.02.18 12:28:22 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:I think when you look at the rampant capitalism and the way it uses and discards people, I think it is obvious that it is probably not the best solution. I advocate for a Technocratic Meritocracy with Socialistic tendencies.
Well, how kindly of you, you will start giving more than you are able to take in no time. It starts with tendencies.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.02.18 17:06:23 -
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Badel Jramodarr wrote:The first time we learn it is when we cried as babies to get the attention of our parents. Taken my perfect example. However, there are strong indications that as our brain masses increase so does the complexity of our society and yes, there is always some form of manipulation.
Leading by example is a way to manipulate people.
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Kellie Dusette
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Posted - 2015.02.18 19:01:15 -
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All sound very many much too complicated for a Kellie.
Have a little brain. All of a Kellie stop grow for many much year ago.
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jason hill
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Posted - 2015.02.18 19:20:39 -
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Khergit Deserters
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Posted - 2015.02.19 00:56:17 -
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jason hill wrote:its all bollox ! Jason and the Buddha are in perfect agreement. Actually Jason is our resident Buddha.
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Badel Jramodarr
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Posted - 2015.02.19 01:44:02 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Leading by example is a way to manipulate people. That's just pure cynicism.
Leading by example requires no manipulation at all. The person leading by example only has to do what they do, requires no mental effort on their part. This is a prime example of not needing to manipulate. If you show merit in your actions, people will mimic and follow.
Your overall replies in this thread are half thought ideas at best. You are either trolling or bored. Go hug someone for more than 30 seconds.... and get manipulated
Kellie Dusette wrote:All sound very many much too complicated for a Kellie.
Have a little brain. All of a Kellie stop grow for many much year ago. You have a big heart, all that matters... now come here and let me manipulate you *hugs*
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.02.19 01:53:28 -
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Okay, let us take this to the pinnacle of trees in the forest type of conversation.
Meaning of life, there is none. It is what you place on it. If raising a huge family, collecting numbers in a bank or worshipping a fiction gives you fulfilment then that is the meaning you give your life.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.02.19 01:59:04 -
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Badel Jramodarr wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Leading by example is a way to manipulate people. That's just pure cynicism. Leading by example requires no manipulation at all. My last response was typed slowly with many interruptions but let me clarify that manipulate can also mean affect in a socio-biological context.
I do not mean it in the pedestrian sense of turning someone to greedy gains sometimes it is like giving to a homeless person, altering their lives, affecting and being affected by it.
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Khergit Deserters
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Posted - 2015.02.19 03:05:57 -
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There's a huge meaning to life mate. Problem is, a bunch of logical reductionists weiner-like and denial-like reduced the thinking into "can be proved" or "bah, cannot be proved." That was in the 17th century, they were creating the Enlightenment. Bless them, they did a brilliant job. But it's about 400 years later now. Mechanical universe and rational thinking about life are kaput., imo. In the end, it leads to a Nietzsche conclusion.
Vedas are so cool, they worked all of this stuff 1100 years ago. They even created a really subtle vocabulary of terms for discussing it. You can skip years of euro-american thought-school if you check out old sources. Damn modern egos, they think they were the first persons to ever think. As if the same thoughts haven't crossed mind for so many years and so many climates, over many ages.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.02.19 03:18:58 -
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"If you achieve something in life, try make it an original thought since the ancient Greeks"
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Bagrat Skalski
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Posted - 2015.02.19 13:49:13 -
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Quote:Mechanical universe and rational thinking about life are kaput. In opposition, you can cut so much with Newton's Flaming Laser Sword.
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Malaclypse Muscaria
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Posted - 2015.02.19 21:38:55 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:Mechanical universe and rational thinking about life are kaput., imo. In the end, it leads to a Nietzsche conclusion.
I'd say it's quite the contrary: there's far more rational thinking atheists free from spirituality of any kind these days than there's ever been. And the numbers keep growing (I'm aware that in the US atheists are a small minority, but at least in Europe that seems to be the case).
"Meaning" is simply a human intellectual construct, it has no reality outside our own heads, let's not confuse the map with the territory.
Also, you seem to use the "Nietzsche conclusion" as if that was a bad thing. From where I'm sitting, that is a good - and fundamentally liberating - thing. |
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Posted - 2015.02.20 02:27:26 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Okay, let us take this to the pinnacle of trees in the forest type of conversation.
Meaning of life, there is none. It is what you place on it. If raising a huge family, collecting numbers in a bank or worshipping a fiction gives you fulfilment then that is the meaning you give your life.
xkcd had a nice take on this.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.02.20 22:00:16 -
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Malaclypse Muscaria wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Okay, let us take this to the pinnacle of trees in the forest type of conversation. Meaning of life, there is none. It is what you place on it. If raising a huge family, collecting numbers in a bank or worshipping a fiction gives you fulfilment then that is the meaning you give your life. xkcd had a nice take on this. Excellent comic up to about 800 then pretty good still.
Universal Mechanics .... quantuum biology is pretty fascinating voodoo.
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Khergit Deserters
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Posted - 2015.02.21 00:29:29 -
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I love Nietzsche. The guy's thoughts are really aesthetically beautiful. The way really good music is aesthetically beautiful. But, as you read along, you can see where the deductive philosophical reasoning is going to lead to. Nihilism, basically. Which is a term sounds kind of cool, but a pretty tough and hopeless philosophy to live with on a daily basis. You're just existing from minute to minute, and putting up with having to do a lot of unpleasant b.s. just to keep your body alive. For what point? So you can keep doing it until you're too old and decrepit to do it anymore?
I've got no objection to using rationale thinking and deductive reasoning to examine the physical world, or the electromagetic/waveform quantum world. But I think using only that one tool as a basic for philosophical examination isn't a good idea. One is unnecessarily limiting oneself to one tradition's (the Greek logic, through Cartesian deconstructionist tradition's) train of thought.* Said another way, rejecting anything that doesn't fit into a certain worldview seems a little narrow, no?
*Source: Quantum physicist Frifjiof Kapra, The Tao of Physics
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.02.21 03:18:35 -
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Sometimes it is difficult to find the line between genius and insanity.
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