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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
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Posted - 2015.02.22 00:30:08 -
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The go hand in hand. Like peas and carrots. Or the Illuminati and chemtrails.
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
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Posted - 2015.02.22 17:53:31 -
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Quote:Nihilism, basically. Which is a term sounds kind of cool, but a pretty tough and hopeless philosophy to live with on a daily basis. You can get nihilism from thinking? I think there are some factors that lead to Nihilism, and its not philosophy or thinking. There is a lot of philosophers and scientists and majority of them is not commiting suicides. Once I heard from someone certain words, "dead people don't care about life". :P
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Malaclypse Muscaria
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.02.22 20:09:13 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:I love Nietzsche. The guy's thoughts are really aesthetically beautiful. The way really good music is aesthetically beautiful. But, as you read along, you can see where the deductive philosophical reasoning is going to lead to. Nihilism, basically. Which is a term sounds kind of cool, but a pretty tough and hopeless philosophy to live with on a daily basis. You're just existing from minute to minute, and putting up with having to do a lot of unpleasant b.s. just to keep your body alive. For what point? So you can keep doing it until you're too old and decrepit to do it anymore?
That's not nihilism, that's just depression.
Nihilism is doing away with pre-established absolute objective Truths, values, meanings and narratives, and finding / developing your own personal ones, whatever those may be, or however those may change over time. Ideas, not ideologies.
It MMO terms, other systems of thought would be the sandbox games, where you are given a set of values, a given purpose, and a path to follow. Nihilism would be EVE, where you make your own.
Quote:I've got no objection to using rationale thinking and deductive reasoning to examine the physical world, or the electromagetic/waveform quantum world. But I think using only that one tool as a basic for philosophical examination isn't a good idea. One is unnecessarily limiting oneself to one tradition's (the Greek logic, through Cartesian deconstructionist tradition's) train of thought.* Said another way, rejecting anything that doesn't fit into a certain worldview seems a little narrow, no? *Source: Quantum physicist Frifjiof Kapra, The Tao of Physics
I did read the Tao of Physics many years ago, along with a plethora of other similar books, seeking to establish parallels between various types of eastern mysticism and quantum physics, and exploring the nature of consciousness, the fabric of reality, and so on.
It was a compelling read indeed, interesting food for thought, particularly back when I used to take a lot more psychedelics - even if it felt at times as if he was stretching a bit much modern physics to fit it into that mold, and indeed his ideas, along with those of others such as Deepak Chopra, or more recently the makers of "What the bleep do we know", have caused a degree of controversy amongst the scientific community.
But as interesting as I may find it, I don't personally take it seriously. Quantum physics (along with Relativity) have introduced some counter-intuitive concepts and they have indeed made scientists to revisit the Newtonian view we had of the universe, and there are many things we still don't understand. But that does not mean that we are all part one consciousness, or whatever other "mystical concepts" (ie: someone-pulled-it-out-of-his-nether-regions-thousands-of-years-ago) some of these authors seem to take as an absolute objective Truth.
I'd rather stick to evidence and the scientific method when it comes to making science. For playful and whimsical speculative thinking anything goes, of course.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.02.22 21:19:29 -
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I don't remember the title because it was too generic, something along the lines of, "The colour of the Universe" or "Colour of Darkmatter" "Color of particles" something to do with colours. It was interesting to read about different neutrino, protons and colours of quarks.
However, on quatuum biology, the new findings of how photosynthesis are fascinating. The way the energy find the right cells to be absorbed. How geckos alter their proteins strands, et cetera.
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jason hill
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.02.23 20:41:15 -
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meh ...its still all bollox ! |
voetius
Quiet Days in Clichy
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Posted - 2015.02.23 21:35:17 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: [ If we believe in evolution why do we ensure that the dim and feeble not only live but also breed?
You are not the evolutionary process. "dim" and "feeble" are your judgements. Evolution through random mutation is ipso facto a random process so it would be better to not introduce a subjective viewpoint IMO. |
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
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Posted - 2015.02.24 00:50:53 -
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Malaclypse Muscaria wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:I love Nietzsche. The guy's thoughts are really aesthetically beautiful. The way really good music is aesthetically beautiful. But, as you read along, you can see where the deductive philosophical reasoning is going to lead to. Nihilism, basically. Which is a term sounds kind of cool, but a pretty tough and hopeless philosophy to live with on a daily basis. You're just existing from minute to minute, and putting up with having to do a lot of unpleasant b.s. just to keep your body alive. For what point? So you can keep doing it until you're too old and decrepit to do it anymore? That's not nihilism, that's just depression. Nihilism is doing away with pre-established absolute objective Truths, values, meanings and narratives, and finding / developing your own personal ones, whatever those may be, or however those may change over time. Ideas, not ideologies. It MMO terms, other systems of thought would be the sandbox games, where you are given a set of values, a given purpose, and a path to follow. Nihilism would be EVE, where you make your own. Quote:I've got no objection to using rationale thinking and deductive reasoning to examine the physical world, or the electromagetic/waveform quantum world. But I think using only that one tool as a basic for philosophical examination isn't a good idea. One is unnecessarily limiting oneself to one tradition's (the Greek logic, through Cartesian deconstructionist tradition's) train of thought.* Said another way, rejecting anything that doesn't fit into a certain worldview seems a little narrow, no? *Source: Quantum physicist Frifjiof Kapra, The Tao of Physics I did read the Tao of Physics many years ago, along with a plethora of other similar books, seeking to establish parallels between various types of eastern mysticism and quantum physics, and exploring the nature of consciousness, the fabric of reality, and so on. It was a compelling read indeed, interesting food for thought, particularly back when I used to take a lot more psychedelics - even if it felt at times as if he was stretching a bit much modern physics to fit it into that mold, and indeed his ideas, along with those of others such as Deepak Chopra, or more recently the makers of "What the bleep do we know", have caused a degree of controversy amongst the scientific community. But as interesting as I may find it, I don't personally take it seriously. Quantum physics (along with Relativity) have introduced some counter-intuitive concepts and they have indeed made scientists to revisit the Newtonian view we had of the universe, and there are many things we still don't understand. But that does not mean that we are all part one consciousness, or whatever other "mystical concepts" (ie: someone-pulled-it-out-of-his-nether-regions-thousands-of-years-ago) some of these authors seem to take as an absolute objective Truth. I'd rather stick to evidence and the scientific method when it comes to making science. For playful and whimsical speculative thinking anything goes, of course. I see what you mean. The thoughts make sense, but the scientific proofs are pretty fuzzy. They seem to be kind of based on intuition and speculation. A series of thoughts and speculations, based on only a few of hard scientific evidence.
But... what if the scientific method itself isn't adequate for the task of discovering reality? As a crude example, what if it's something like trying to use a ruler to measure electromagnetism? It's the wrong tool for the job. The scientific method is definitely the right tool for arriving about conclusions about measurable things. But what if there are things that cannot be measured (using our way of thinking and our current technological tools). If it cannot be proven using the current set of tools, does that mean it doesn't exist?
I just think demanding that everything be measured and "proven" is a limiting factor. If it is something that exists, but our way of thinking cannot conceive of, how can we ever explore it if we limit ourselves to our current set of intellectual tools?
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.02.24 01:25:49 -
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voetius wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: [ If we believe in evolution why do we ensure that the dim and feeble not only live but also breed?
You are not the evolutionary process. "dim" and "feeble" are your judgements. Evolution through random mutation is ipso facto a random process so it would be better to not introduce a subjective viewpoint IMO. No. We can measure this. If a lame Impala is in the herd and lions get them running, it falls behind and is eaten. When you look at humans, the humans born lame, are wheeled along within the herd, not falling behind and they continue to live into adulthood and pass on those lame genes. We have halted our evolution by continuing genes that would otherwise be eliminated.
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
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Posted - 2015.02.24 03:20:04 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:voetius wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: [ If we believe in evolution why do we ensure that the dim and feeble not only live but also breed?
You are not the evolutionary process. "dim" and "feeble" are your judgements. Evolution through random mutation is ipso facto a random process so it would be better to not introduce a subjective viewpoint IMO. No. We can measure this. If a lame Impala is in the herd and lions get them running, it falls behind and is eaten. When you look at humans, the humans born lame, are wheeled along within the herd, not falling behind and they continue to live into adulthood and pass on those lame genes. We have halted our evolution by continuing genes that would otherwise be eliminated. I have to disagree, mate. A lame impala can't survive. Same as a lame chick on a farm anywhere in Europe, Asia, Africa, or the Americas. That happens due to basic farming/nature brutality. Compare that to modern human group/consenses decision making. Hot damn, I'd rather be a lame chick on a deep-woods Kamchatka farm, than to have some human deciding who and who isn't worthy. Lame chick at least gets a fair shake of the dice.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.02.24 03:31:24 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:voetius wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: [ If we believe in evolution why do we ensure that the dim and feeble not only live but also breed?
You are not the evolutionary process. "dim" and "feeble" are your judgements. Evolution through random mutation is ipso facto a random process so it would be better to not introduce a subjective viewpoint IMO. No. We can measure this. If a lame Impala is in the herd and lions get them running, it falls behind and is eaten. When you look at humans, the humans born lame, are wheeled along within the herd, not falling behind and they continue to live into adulthood and pass on those lame genes. We have halted our evolution by continuing genes that would otherwise be eliminated. I have to disagree, mate. A lame impala can't survive. Same as a lame chick on a farm anywhere in Europe, Asia, Africa, or the Americas. That happens due to basic farming/nature brutality. Compare that to modern human group/consenses decision making. Hot damn, I'd rather be a lame chick on a deep-woods Kamchatka farm, than to have some human deciding who and who isn't worthy. Lame chick at least gets a fair shake of the dice. Here is an example, I know of a guy that has Craniosynostosis (skull does not grow) and he was full aware of having the disease because they kept cracking his skull open to make it expand.
It is a hereditary disease and he has gone ahead and fathered two children that will repeat the life of misery that he has endured. I am not saying he should be killed. I am saying he should have been sterilised.
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.24 09:14:58 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:Therefore, it is possible that the primal human emotion uncontrollable, irrational, tormenting, raging jealousy developed, to prevent most individuals from even having the mental faculties to make that altruistic decision. Me, us and them, maybe? I also found the following argument interesting (adapted heaily): Quote:There are three things to control populations famine, plague and war or if we are lucky, birth control.
Trying to improve food production, much like modern medicine only alleviates the problem for a short time but in the long term such solutions only continue to fuel the exploding popultations. Sadly, eugenics has been heavily tar brushed along with genocide. education. education also lowers birthrates.
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Sometimes it is difficult to find the line between genius and insanity. Genius is insanity with focus.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.02.24 14:28:55 -
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Rain6637 wrote:education. education also lowers birthrates.. I would say culture, class and resulting inhibitions. For example, the Amish aren't known for having tertiary educations but their religious restrictions, low tech deliveries and so forth all contribute to a lower successful birth rate.
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
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Posted - 2015.02.25 02:09:11 -
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Well, you know, trilobites should have sterilized those mutants among them that eventually turned into fish-things that crawled onto the land. That would have nipped the whole weird-fish thing, into opposum-like-thing, into homo sapiens problem, right at the bud.
Who's to decide which condition ought to be weeded out? Evolution happens through mutations. That said, I'd kind of like to sterilize the last jerk who last cut me off in traffic. For the sake of humanity, please don't let that guy reproduce himself.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.02.25 02:48:39 -
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http://www.darwinawards.com/
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Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.25 02:54:17 -
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Do we agree that of the routes to population delta, the conscious lifestyle decision to forego child rearing (before birth control) is the most noble (and probably the only ethical one to debate)...
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.02.25 03:37:13 -
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Quote:There are three things to control populations famine, plague and war or if we are lucky, birth control.
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.25 03:42:56 -
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Giving to another person gives my life meaning. I am perfectly alright being an evolutionary stub.
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Mildew Wolf
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Posted - 2015.02.25 10:38:08 -
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The big mistake was going multicellular. Single cell master race |
Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.02.25 15:19:28 -
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Mildew Wolf wrote:The big mistake was going multicellular. Single cell master race The way various bacteria and viruses like influenza live on, I am inclined to agree.
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jason hill
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.02.25 18:35:08 -
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WTF are you all going on about this time ...I keep telling ya its all bollox ... ! sheesh ! |
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
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Posted - 2015.02.26 01:11:18 -
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This has nothing to do with overpopulation, selective evolution, or anything at all, but it's an incontrovertible truth: "You always find something in the last place you look." How true that is.
OK, carry on!
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.02.26 02:32:14 -
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Badel Jramodarr
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Posted - 2015.02.26 12:33:43 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote: "You always find something in the last place you look." Of course you do, why would you keep looking for it after you have already found it?
I don't always have a signature; but when I do, it doesn't say anything at all
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.02.26 14:16:54 -
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Sometimes the blind hen finds the kernel and sometimes the mouse happy newbie opens the Linux kernel.
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Khergit Deserters
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Posted - 2015.03.01 02:36:19 -
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"I say to my daughters, 'If a man likes children and animals, he's a good man. That's the kind of person you want to marry."
"Take an example from your dog. You come home tired after a bad day, and he ripped up your trash and scattered it all around the yard. You get mad, and yell at him and kick your friend. Does he hold it against you? Does he want revenge? No, he comes back, feeling sorry, and knowing your feelings too. All of you guys listening, thing about that. You kick your friend, and he comes back trying to help you. If you want to do this work, you can start right there."
-The late Albert White Hat
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.03.01 02:45:08 -
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(Off the top of my head so not verbatim)
Winston Churchill wrote:"Sir, you are drunk." "Madam, you are ugly, the difference is tomorrow, I will be sober."
"Sir, if I were your wife, I would poison your tea." "Madam, if I were your husband, I would drink it."
"Nothing more exhilrating than being shot at and missed." George Clemenceu wrote: America; the only nation to go from barbarianism to decadences without a period of civilisation.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2015.03.02 04:23:29 -
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Some of Picard's speeches.
I wonder ... do we lack good Sci-Fi television because more fools have TVs or because we have already explored all the ideas open to us at this time?
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Sibyyl
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Posted - 2015.03.02 05:03:38 -
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I really like the top rated comment in the YouTube video.
Quote: Picard is one of the best characters ever created, as well as what Patrick Stewart did with it. He represents all that is noble about the human race. Free from bigotry, racism, and greed, with unbridled honesty. It is the kind of man I would actually vote for to be president, it is unfortunate he is fictional.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.03.06 00:38:17 -
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Paraphrased: Birth control might be unnatural but so is the welfare state and without the former the latter will collapse.
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Ragnar Severasse
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.03.06 00:42:08 -
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I just discovered this thread. I'm not going to read the op because this **** is pretty humorous without context. |
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