Except now you are talking 9 planets or colonies, or whatever the hell you want to call them. I didn't say three accounts on three planets each, I said on three planets and I meant 3 installations. Love how you twist **** around to try to prove a point when you can't really prove the point.

Your way of two strip mining colonies and 1 factory colony will not yield more P1 product in the long haul and will take more effort. I don't see how that's a winning solution. Simply multiplying it by three to get nine colonies does not magicially make it smarter.

On a well balanced planet, 1 full ECU will support 8 basic factories fairly easily. So over 9 installations I will have 72 Basic Factories to your 66. And I don't have to move stuff between the planets, have the ability to move the ECU in a wide area, and haul once a week (longer now with 35k in the CO). So tell me how your 66 basic factories and hauling crap between them is more productive?

Hundo, you said three planets, not three colonies, which is a horse of a different color. And, bluntly, I'm not the one twisting ****.

BTW: I was using your set up that you listed (22).

Mine does 25 (admittedly by leaving off a launch pad, necessitating more of that unwelcome 'work')

Meaning that three factory worlds do 75 factories. Granted, again, high level of labor for a small increase, but the more people involved the bigger the advantage gets. We're currently working with three people. Now factor in the difference between the two with 9 people doing it:

18 factories. Or the better part of a whole planet worth of production.

Again, how long until you burn out?

Edit: And how much extra does all this work give you pr day, if you estimated the value in isk?

It appears there is egg on my tie, as (having put 25 factories on a single world and a LP) I went back and checked, and realized that they were not basics, but advanced. Whoops.

So, I'll simply have to adjust my ratio by having one more planet be a factory and one less be a strip mine. Poof, +8 factories over your model with nine colonies. Huh, with corrected math, my point still stands.

Re the rest of it, no, you were unclear because you were talking three planets. What is clear, however, is that you are a total *******.

Just think about how many imports/exports you can do for 600M [...]

Yes I am a total ******* for calling bullshit, bullshit.

So I guess we will all just bow to your system that takes 50 times the effort to yield, at most, 10% more. Such productivity.

Oh wait, productivity is defined as "amount produced over effort to produce"

So you produce 110% of my system with easily 10 times the effort. So your system is 11% as productive as mine.

Hundo, how much effort you think any one person is putting in? OMG once a day I have to get in my ship and fly once around the system I live in. Oh, the HORROR. I might have to UNDOCK. You might throw a lot of **** in my face, Hundo, but you have '4-4' written across you large. Looks to me like a lot less effort than, say, mining or running missions or hot dropping caps on someone.

'It's too much work! I'll only make 10% more and have to... ugh... fly in space for a WHOLE HOUR!'

I might point out, then, by that logic, the only profitable thing to do in all of EvE is run scams in Jita all day long.

Poor you, you don't have to pay taxes

Lets say you spend 120M on taxes a month for your Hisec PI adventures, unlikely, but lets just say.

In 5 months time, 150 days, if I haven't had any of the POCOs blown up then we'll be even. Every day after those 5 months, sure I'll be pulling ahead, until they do get blown up. Then for each one that goes down it puts me a month behind again.

My choice.

I love the way you throw that at me.
You say it like you have no choice. CCP Hillmar standing behind you with a .45 is he?

I don't normally find it worth my time to berrate people on the interwebs, however this time. The shear volume of retardation permeating the forums is staggering.

Hisec PI isn't going to lose money. I might, Hisec won't. EU is up to 15k a unit right now. Robotics over 86k.

Let me dredge up this tired cliche just one more time.

I'm going to outlay several billion ISK in infrastructure, in an environment where at any tick of the clock it can all be lost. This affords me the opportunity to make 4-5 times the quantity of PI product that hisec does, and pay no tax on it.

Hisec however your outlay is in the tens of millions isk, and nobody can take it away from you.

As much as it displeases me to say it, there is your risk vs reward. You ante up nothing but expect so much in return.

I hope that at this point you see the overwhelming disparity, and cease your bellyaching.

It would seem that time is up on the discussion of this matter.

As per this statement




I could say something along the lines of neener neener the free ride is over, but that would be juvenile.

The reason that goons are getting the blame is partially due to some things being said by EoG and by being the most prominent supporters of it, who also conveniently stand to make the most isk off high sec getting taxed.

AS fa as an isk sink goes, someone in another thread suggested that the it might be in the spirit of the game if there was a way to bypass it that required a great deal of work (high level skills, a standing of 9 or higher, etc). Personally I support this idea, as it makes it more profitable to players willing ot put the time in, and cuts into big alliances ability to dictate price.

Yes, your system sucks when you HAVE to fly around for an hour a day to maintain it, versus a well setup one that I have to fly around once a week for an hour to maintain.

In fact you need to log in at least once a day, because a decent ECU setup will yield more then the 1M P0 your spaceport will hold.

And how you get from me pointing out you seem to know very little about PI and showing your system is not extremely productive, to me not wanting to put effort into anything just continues to make you look stupid.

A PI system relying on P0 Strip Mining planets and P0 to P1 factory planets is a bad idea. You have continued to prove that for us with your attempt to argue for it. But by all means if you want to spend your time ineffiecently hauling P0 products all over your system then go for it. Just don't try to argue its a good idea. Its not.

Because I don't mind working hard for my bottom line. You do realize you're talking to one of those people that will slow boat all the way from 4C-B7X to to the middle of Great Wildlands for 20m isk, right?



Higher yield is higher yield. Do you have to work for it? Yes. All you've proven is that you only want to deal with PI a few times a week and are willing to sacrifice output for convenience.

Sure, you can recycle junk and get mins, but you get higher output stripping an entire system of any and all asteroids every day ( or better, every two hours.)

Then again, why am I trying to explain this to you? You obviously are one of those 'least work' types, so go back to ratting and wait for your isk to be mailed to you.

Hundo, how much effort you think any one person is putting in? OMG once a day I have to get in my ship and fly once around the system I live in. Oh, the HORROR. I might have to UNDOCK. You might throw a lot of **** in my face, Hundo, but you have '4-4' written across you large. Looks to me like a lot less effort than, say, mining or running missions or hot dropping caps on someone.

Fastjack, I know goons hold more solar systems with planets then anyone else. as far as manpower or wealth,well, from an interesting discussion I had a bit ago, the directorate is doing it wrong.

On item 4) I know you're buying in empire. I am, after all, selling it to you and shipping it to you on occasion. However, if you did build your own, then, yes, you would insulate yourselves quite easily.

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