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Shailagh
WTB Somalians
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Posted - 2015.02.10 17:57:59 -
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Im trying to make ccp money here. They have data that shows people that stay in npc corps quit more often. They said corp ceos dont like recruiting noobs cuz of fear of awox, do you believe this is the main reason?
I believe people stay in npc corps (and therefor quit more often) to evade wars.
Are wars the most dangerous aspect to retention (players staying in npc corps) and therefore should be nerfed to increase player corp levels and retention?
Nerf wars to save the noobs and make people join player corps to increase retention and ccps wallet? |
virm pasuul
Viziam Amarr Empire
203
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Posted - 2015.02.10 17:59:53 -
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trolling is prohibited |
Shailagh
WTB Somalians
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Posted - 2015.02.10 18:02:21 -
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virm pasuul wrote:trolling is prohibited
You are in an npc corp. See has FACTS and DATA proving you will quit eve before i do. Join a player corp, give ccp money. If you sid join a corp id wardec ur ass into oblivion though and youd still prob quit |
virm pasuul
Viziam Amarr Empire
203
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Posted - 2015.02.10 18:06:55 -
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I don't think you understand Eve at all sorry.
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Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
1770
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Posted - 2015.02.10 18:18:26 -
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Shailagh wrote:virm pasuul wrote:trolling is prohibited You are in an npc corp. See has FACTS and DATA proving you will quit eve before i do. Join a player corp, give ccp money. If you sid join a corp id wardec ur ass into oblivion though and youd still prob quit THIS attitude is why some players stay in NPC corps, because the second they leave its all "noob lulz trololol give me isk and i dubble for u" and other such infantile harassment, they arent made to feel welcome. There are so few corps out there who willa actually take a newbie and NOT use them as fodder and laugh at them for it, that the chances of a noobie finding a community to join is low as limbo goes.
almost makes me want to restart my old lowsec pirate corp, but of course then I remember all of the annoying trolls who DID join for pvp, harass all the noobs who joined until they left the corp to go back to highsec or left the game entirely
unfortuenately the most vocal part of this community is the most toxic, like, id rather swap spit with a xenomorph kind of toxis |
Josef Djugashvilis
2876
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Posted - 2015.02.10 18:19:11 -
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Dear op, if you need to ask the question, you would not understand the answers.
This is not a signature.
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Fireflyb1
Walden 2.0
63
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Posted - 2015.02.10 18:21:01 -
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Shailagh wrote:Im trying to make ccp money here. They have data that shows people that stay in npc corps quit more often. They said corp ceos dont like recruiting noobs cuz of fear of awox, do you believe this is the main reason?
I believe people stay in npc corps (and therefor quit more often) to evade wars.
Are wars the most dangerous aspect to retention (players staying in npc corps) and therefore should be nerfed to increase player corp levels and retention?
Nerf wars to save the noobs and make people join player corps to increase retention and ccps wallet?
Are you proposing an experiment/testing for your hypothesis?:
"Are wars the most dangerous aspect to retention (players staying in npc corps) and therefore should be nerfed to increase player corp levels and retention?"
If so, let us know how it goes! |
Jallukola
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Posted - 2015.02.10 18:37:11 -
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Nariya Kentaya wrote:Shailagh wrote:virm pasuul wrote:trolling is prohibited You are in an npc corp. See has FACTS and DATA proving you will quit eve before i do. Join a player corp, give ccp money. If you sid join a corp id wardec ur ass into oblivion though and youd still prob quit THIS attitude is why some players stay in NPC corps, because the second they leave its all "noob lulz trololol give me isk and i dubble for u" and other such infantile harassment, they arent made to feel welcome. There are so few corps out there who willa actually take a newbie and NOT use them as fodder and laugh at them for it, that the chances of a noobie finding a community to join is low as limbo goes. almost makes me want to restart my old lowsec pirate corp, but of course then I remember all of the annoying trolls who DID join for pvp, harass all the noobs who joined until they left the corp to go back to highsec or left the game entirely unfortuenately the most vocal part of this community is the most toxic, like, id rather swap spit with a xenomorph kind of toxis Countdown till someone comes weeping confusing this as making game more "newbie friendly and inclusive" and providing a good joke how nullsec runs everything?
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HeXxploiT
Little Red X
88
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Posted - 2015.02.10 20:24:59 -
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I'm going to answer the title of the thread because it's a very valid question. You know for many months when I first started playing I didn't even understand the function of a corp nor did I try and the only time I looked into corp chat was to ask questions which more often than not led to frustration. I had a few personal friends I played with and met a couple other cool people online and that seemed enough for a time. The only reason I discovered corporations was I wanted to find a way into juicy nulsec to make some isk and only THEN did I begin to learn about politics and the more interesting aspects of eve life.
So I ignored the corp channels because they were frequently more noisy then useful and I didn't pay any attention to the forums for much the same reason. Take the responses in this thread as an example. Lots of &%$#*^&*)&&)* and few serious answers. MOST eve players don't read or post on the forums either. I know this may come as a shock to many. I think many stay in the npc corps and miss out on much of the big picture because the useful information leading them to what should be a natural progression of the game gets lost in the muck.
Guy jumps into lowsec, gets blown up, asks in corp chat or on forums why he got blown up or what he did wrong and 47 people laugh and shame him. I think it's natural that many more laid back individuals are repulsed by this and in avoiding those type of interactions they fail to come across the necessary information. Personally I was always repulsed by the maturity level of many eve players but thankfully my greed for isk motivated me to overcome.
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1559
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Posted - 2015.02.10 20:32:57 -
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Shailagh wrote:virm pasuul wrote:trolling is prohibited You are in an npc corp. See has FACTS and DATA proving you will quit eve before i do. Join a player corp, give ccp money. If you sid join a corp id wardec ur ass into oblivion though and youd still prob quit
So you admit to be part of the problem?
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Yzar Soikutsu
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.02.10 20:53:10 -
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I am not in a corp because corps of 1 or 2 players just declare war on our corp everytime we are in jita or other high traffic areas in the hope of getting easy kills. |
Lupe Meza
Hedion University Amarr Empire
59
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Posted - 2015.02.10 21:06:35 -
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Yzar Soikutsu wrote:I am not in a corp because corps of 1 or 2 players just declare war on our corp everytime we are in jita or other high traffic areas in the hope of getting easy kills.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqyixwqiCag |
Don Pera Saissore
31
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Posted - 2015.02.10 21:25:56 -
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What about those who join nullsec corps and quit because they get bored of exploration and gatecamps because thats the only thing they can do. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
32823
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Posted - 2015.02.10 21:51:49 -
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Nariya Kentaya wrote:There are so few corps out there who willa actually take a newbie and NOT use them as fodder and laugh at them for it, that the chances of a noobie finding a community to join is low as limbo goes. This statement in no way matches my experience at all.
Where is the data you use to draw this conclusion?
In my experience, the larger percentage of corps are ok. They aren't necessarily set up to actively teach new players, but they don't treat new players as fodder to be laughed at.
The issue isn't how good a Corp is, but how discoverable that Corp is for new players, particularly those that have no other friends in the game.
The bad apple Corps exist unfortunately, but they are a minority in my experience.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
32823
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Posted - 2015.02.10 21:55:01 -
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Yzar Soikutsu wrote:I am not in a corp because corps of 1 or 2 players just declare war on our corp everytime we are in jita or other high traffic areas in the hope of getting easy kills. There are two things to this:
1. you can use out of Corp alts to manage logistics, buys and sales, etc.
2. So what? Why is a wardec by a 1-2 person Corp bad? What level of threat does it really present and even if pvp happens, what's the worst that happens?
Being in a player run Corp is so beneficial to play in this game compared to solo play and NPC Corps, that the negatives of a wardec are miniscule by comparison, especially if that war is managed well internally.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1382
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Posted - 2015.02.10 21:58:47 -
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Shailagh wrote: They have data that shows people that stay in npc corps quit more often.
Philosophy 101
Fallacy of assuming the wrong causal direction.
(The stats show a correlation but there is no reason to assume causality or the direction of the causality should it exist) |
Marsan
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Posted - 2015.02.10 21:59:06 -
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There are generally 3 reasons people stay in the NPC corps:
1) Fear of being killed or exploited by corp mates.
2) Bad experiences with the war system. HS wars suck in general (boring, and unwinnable) , and the best way to win as a defender is not to fight.
3) They are loners.
What CCP has made a 1st step of closing the ability of corpmates from shooting each in HS in the next release. What needs to happen next is to give corps an option to opt out of wars for a price, and use the isk the carebears pay to opt to create pvp opportunities for PVP corps. Sure HS pvpers would lose carebears tears, but there would be a lot more PVP in HS if there was a reason for defenders to fight.
Former forum cheerleader CCP, now just a grumpy small portion of the community.
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Nicolai Serkanner
Jebediah Kerman's Junkyard and Spaceship Parts Co. Brave Collective
277
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Posted - 2015.02.10 22:02:50 -
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Shailagh wrote:virm pasuul wrote:trolling is prohibited You are in an npc corp. See has FACTS and DATA proving you will quit eve before i do. Join a player corp, give ccp money. If you sid join a corp id wardec ur ass into oblivion though and youd still prob quit
Please translate: sid, id, ur, youd, prob ...
In other words: go away troll. |
Nalia White
Tencus
69
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Posted - 2015.02.10 22:03:04 -
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well i think it's normal that so many players will leave eve. they come for the space theme but will leave once they get to know the harsh mechanics of the game... if you now try to keep those players in you will have to change eve and that's not good in my book... the last bastion of a true game!
it seems like ccp is currently trying to create a highsec in which these players can coexist, but that is a dangerous endevour... it can be a chance though... maybe after some time some of those players that would have left eve earlier will taste blood and become like the rest of the bittervets :)
edit: and don't forget that many alts will be in npc corps because players will try to disconnect them from their main. |
Memphis Baas
135
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Posted - 2015.02.10 22:36:50 -
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I think the reasons are:
1. War evasion. 2. Crappy corps for players to join. 3. Solo player.
1. No way should war declarations be nerfed, they are an integral part of the game. However (and this is hard; I have no idea how it can be done exactly), making the fighting more fun once you're in a war might go a long way towards convincing people to join in the fights rather than evade. Maybe make the war system into a tournament, with a prize to be won, a ticking clock for its duration, public progress reports, a way for third parties to bet on the outcome, a way for each corp to editorialize why they're fighting and how they're progressing, I don't know.
2. There are good corps and there are crappy corps. It's very hard to tell from the in-game adverts and corp interface. Also, the permanent corp history is a deterrent to trying out corps serially, to find the good ones. Maybe implement a ratings system, maybe similar to the forum one.
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Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
265
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Posted - 2015.02.10 23:47:32 -
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CAS corp has bacon
Loki "I have an army" CAS "We have a Boiglio" |
Serene Repose
2210
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Posted - 2015.02.11 01:19:25 -
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They stay in NPC corps because they're following what we all love to brag is our first rule of this GAME:
1. TRUST NO ONE!
Are you surprised?
Treason never prospers. What is the reason?
Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
7757
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Posted - 2015.02.11 01:24:08 -
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Shailagh wrote: I believe people stay in npc corps (and therefor quit more often) to evade wars.
Believe whatever you like. It's not against the EULA to be stupid.
Mr Epeen
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Lupe Meza
Hedion University Amarr Empire
60
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Posted - 2015.02.11 01:31:47 -
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The better question is why don't players join player corps? |
Eli Stan
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.11 03:14:32 -
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Shailagh wrote:Im trying to make ccp money here. They have data that shows people that stay in npc corps quit more often.
Or... players that quit EVE don't bother joining a player corp because they're going to quit EVE regardless, and would still quit EVE even if they were in a player corp. Or maybe quit even sooner if forced into it.
Quote:I believe people stay in npc corps (and therefor quit more often) to evade wars.
Maybe some do, I really don't know about everybody else, but I never joined a player corp because I didn't want to put up with some of the BS I've read about. CTAs, minimum activity levels, paplinks, asset theft, egos, rants, idee fixe on kb ISK efficiency... Also, as I approach my one-year anniversary in CAS and know some other pilots approaching a decade in CAS, there's a bit of pride in sticking to something - something that works for us - for so long.
Quote:Are wars the most dangerous aspect to retention (players staying in npc corps) and therefore should be nerfed to increase player corp levels and retention?
Nerf wars to save the noobs and make people join player corps to increase retention and ccps wallet?
No. Instead, buff NPSI communities. However, I don't think there's much that CCP can do about that beyond some official promotion like their recent corp how-to video - so it's up to us participants in the NPSI lifestyle to promote it more. Bomber's Bar (featured in "This is EVE,") Spectre Fleet, RvB Ganked, and, of course, my favorite, CAS in all it's iterations both PvP and PvE which is, I think, the only NPSI org to essentially exist 23x7 - are all good starts. But I think NPSI needs to be promoted even more to newbies as ways to try out various EVE activities. Yes, the "trust no one" mantra applies, since there's nothing preventing, say, Tempelman from deliberately leading the entire bombing fleet into a pipebomb for the LOLs, but who would he get to fly with him after doing that a time or two? Or an NPSI fleet could plan to bring in a few newbies every once in a while to gank, which wouldn't necessarily be known by the next newbie, just like not all newbies know (but some do) about the Goon recruitment application fee scam. And there's no accounting for regular ol' personality conflicts and ashattery.
But I think that NPSI fleets can become something with a good reputation of just pure gaming fun. No commitments or expectations, just the experience of exploring all EVE has to offer in a social setting. Like going over to your local field after work for an impromptu game of football with whoever else is there with the same idea. No joining a league, no required practice times, no handing over your medical records and bank accounts - and you just might meet some people you'll want to have a beer with at the pub afterwards.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
899
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Posted - 2015.02.11 05:14:53 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:I think the reasons are: 1. War evasion. 2. Crappy corps for players to join. 3. Solo player. 4. Null Sec using alts to farm ISK because Incursions pay more than anything they can do in null. 5. Made an alt and just forgot it there. 6. Anonymous scouts. 7. Spreading EVE political agendas to quite a few players. >.>
I do think that veterans need a push out of the nest rather than an enticement.
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Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
479
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Posted - 2015.02.11 07:41:33 -
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Shailagh wrote:Im trying to make ccp money here. They have data that shows people that stay in npc corps quit more often. They said corp ceos dont like recruiting noobs cuz of fear of awox, do you believe this is the main reason?
I believe people stay in npc corps (and therefor quit more often) to evade wars.
Are wars the most dangerous aspect to retention (players staying in npc corps) and therefore should be nerfed to increase player corp levels and retention?
Nerf wars to save the noobs and make people join player corps to increase retention and ccps wallet?
Addressing your thread title more than the op post I think that the npc corp issue is due to a lack of viable alternatives. Every day an npc player logs in they should get a floating motd encouraging them to join a player corp or fw.
And perhaps in future times we might see more kinds of npc corps that blur the line a little more and I hope they encourage people to form their own groups once they get the hang of things
Faction warfare pilot and solo/small gang PVP advocate
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
6435
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Posted - 2015.02.11 07:55:27 -
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Shailagh wrote:Im trying to make ccp money here.
Wouldn't it be easier just to make a donation then?
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Sri Nova
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
135
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Posted - 2015.02.11 08:15:55 -
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Shailagh wrote:Im trying to make ccp money here. They have data that shows people that stay in npc corps quit more often. They said corp ceos dont like recruiting noobs cuz of fear of awox, do you believe this is the main reason?
I believe people stay in npc corps (and therefor quit more often) to evade wars.
Are wars the most dangerous aspect to retention (players staying in npc corps) and therefore should be nerfed to increase player corp levels and retention?
Nerf wars to save the noobs and make people join player corps to increase retention and ccps wallet?
Mainly speaking for my self personally, i just dont want to get to involved with player corps.
i have done my time with fleet ops and experimental charades into 0.0
some of it quite thrilling. but it required me to actually have to be involved.
and alot of the times i just dont want to be that engaged in the game .
to me gaming is supposed to be relaxing, fun and enjoyable.
unfortunately player corps make it more demanding competitive and somewhat angsty .
Watching your supposed friends turn on one another and subdivide into warring factions kinda pisses me off.
i just wanna play space ships, not captain politics.
so yeah, this is the wrong game to be an antisocial leave me the hell alone player.
but the universe is too captivating to ignore . and not being a apart of eve no matter how inconsequential, just seems wrong.
Especially for some one who considers himself a internet space ships game lover.
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Elena Morin'staal
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
54
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Posted - 2015.02.11 08:46:19 -
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I'm sitting in a facwar npc corp simply because I don't have time to play eve - I can get the odd evening or something to go do some pew or exploring or whatever, but I can't dedicate time online.
Therefore, its not fair to join a corp and spend most of my time not fighting with them.
I tried quitting once. Didn't work. |
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