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Tengu Grib
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
912
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Posted - 2015.02.12 21:40:23 -
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Faylee Freir wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:And if you get rid of the NPC corp option you'll just turn trade hubs into 0.0. space because certain entities will simply continue to wardec everything on sight like they already do. Maybe you have an alt in a merc corp that would explain the tears. Your personal bias against the merc playstyle is noted. Maybe you got stomped by a merc corp, hence your own tears. Your sense of entitlement to risk free content (killmails) is likewise noted. There is nothing risk free about the war dec system. Nothing is stopping anyone from joining a defender as an ally. One small corp full of carebears is now suddenly bolstered by an experienced group of pvp'ers. You see, this is what we call content. This is the sandbox at work.
Yup, failure on the defenders part to actually defend does not make the attacker risk adverse. Shiny combat ships are much more fun to hunt, but anyone flying anything they shouldn't during a war needs to be taught a lesson.
Sabriz for CSMX!
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Demerius Xenocratus
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
66
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Posted - 2015.02.12 21:43:19 -
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Faylee Freir wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:And if you get rid of the NPC corp option you'll just turn trade hubs into 0.0. space because certain entities will simply continue to wardec everything on sight like they already do. Maybe you have an alt in a merc corp that would explain the tears. Your personal bias against the merc playstyle is noted. Maybe you got stomped by a merc corp, hence your own tears. Your sense of entitlement to risk free content (killmails) is likewise noted. There is nothing risk free about the war dec system. Nothing is stopping anyone from joining a defender as an ally. One small corp full of carebears is now suddenly bolstered by an experienced group of pvp'ers. You see, this is what we call content. This is the sandbox at work.
This is not the way it plays out in practice. Don't insult me by pretending otherwise I can get on zkill and see all the shitfit randoms getting blapped in hubs by merc corps. And the mining barges in non-hub systems with vigilants and t3s on the other side of the mail.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
32967
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Posted - 2015.02.12 21:46:13 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote: Also 1 catalyst catches you and you're toast. Osmon you said? Aside from there not actually being any cases of this happening, if you get popped by a Catalyst in a Daredevil, the accountability (as with all losses) rests solely with the Daredevil pilot.
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
2322
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Posted - 2015.02.12 21:49:32 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:I can get on zkill and see all the shitfit randoms getting blapped in hubs by merc corps.
What's that got to do with the price of Quafe? Only a muppet goes near a trade hub on a character under wardec flying anything of any value.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff | No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that.
Sabriz for CSM
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
6456
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Posted - 2015.02.12 21:51:24 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:And if you get rid of the NPC corp option you'll just turn trade hubs into 0.0. space because certain entities will simply continue to wardec everything on sight like they already do. Maybe you have an alt in a merc corp that would explain the tears. Your personal bias against the merc playstyle is noted. Maybe you got stomped by a merc corp, hence your own tears. Your sense of entitlement to risk free content (killmails) is likewise noted.
On what grounds is it noted? Your assumption that I want easy kills? You've demonstrated your bias against the merc playstyle by lumping them all into one group of people and made assumptions about their motives. Now let me know when you find a demonstration of your accusation against me. Until then, comments like that are little more than the bitter tantrums of a child.
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Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
6456
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Posted - 2015.02.12 21:53:07 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Faylee Freir wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:And if you get rid of the NPC corp option you'll just turn trade hubs into 0.0. space because certain entities will simply continue to wardec everything on sight like they already do. Maybe you have an alt in a merc corp that would explain the tears. Your personal bias against the merc playstyle is noted. Maybe you got stomped by a merc corp, hence your own tears. Your sense of entitlement to risk free content (killmails) is likewise noted. There is nothing risk free about the war dec system. Nothing is stopping anyone from joining a defender as an ally. One small corp full of carebears is now suddenly bolstered by an experienced group of pvp'ers. You see, this is what we call content. This is the sandbox at work. This is not the way it plays out in practice. Don't insult me by pretending otherwise I can get on zkill and see all the shitfit randoms getting blapped in hubs by merc corps. And the mining barges in non-hub systems with vigilants and t3s on the other side of the mail.
If you feel insulted by being corrected with facts, then I suggest you check your facts first before presuming.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Faylee Freir
Defining Harassment
53
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Posted - 2015.02.12 22:00:20 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Faylee Freir wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:And if you get rid of the NPC corp option you'll just turn trade hubs into 0.0. space because certain entities will simply continue to wardec everything on sight like they already do. Maybe you have an alt in a merc corp that would explain the tears. Your personal bias against the merc playstyle is noted. Maybe you got stomped by a merc corp, hence your own tears. Your sense of entitlement to risk free content (killmails) is likewise noted. There is nothing risk free about the war dec system. Nothing is stopping anyone from joining a defender as an ally. One small corp full of carebears is now suddenly bolstered by an experienced group of pvp'ers. You see, this is what we call content. This is the sandbox at work. This is not the way it plays out in practice. Don't insult me by pretending otherwise I can get on zkill and see all the shitfit randoms getting blapped in hubs by merc corps. And the mining barges in non-hub systems with vigilants and t3s on the other side of the mail. What happens in practice doesn't mean that something is broken, unfair, or unbalanced. The fact is that most carebears are risk adverse. Who is to blame when they refuse to defend themselves either in their own force, their connections, or with their wallet?
In this game there are the predators and there are the prey. There is TONS of documentation all over this forum and other various blogs about how to not make yourself a target and how to protect yourself. The fact is that it is much easier to be lazy and ignorant than it is to protect yourselves. |
GetSirrus
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
85
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Posted - 2015.02.12 22:01:51 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Go ahead, show your proof as well, i'll wait on both you posters.
you asked for it; https://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=151081
losses to the Concord Police Captain provide a statistic for unsanctioned attack.
2014 61066 2013 53951 2012 24087
There, proof of more criminal activity, ie high-sec has become less safe. Over to you, Jenn.
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
2324
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Posted - 2015.02.12 22:05:50 -
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GetSirrus wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Go ahead, show your proof as well, i'll wait on both you posters. you asked for it; https://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=151081 losses to the Concord Police Captain provide a statistic for unsanctioned attack. 2014 61066 2013 53951 2012 24087 There, proof of more criminal activity, ie high-sec has become less safe. Over to you, Jenn.
That would be absolutely true if every criminal act had a 1:1 ratio between attackers and prey, and if every attack resulted in a kill.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff | No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that.
Sabriz for CSM
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Paranoid Loyd
3851
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Posted - 2015.02.12 22:14:10 -
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admiral root wrote:GetSirrus wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Go ahead, show your proof as well, i'll wait on both you posters. you asked for it; https://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=151081 losses to the Concord Police Captain provide a statistic for unsanctioned attack. 2014 61066 2013 53951 2012 24087 There, proof of more criminal activity, ie high-sec has become less safe. Over to you, Jenn. That would be absolutely true if every criminal act had a 1:1 ratio between attackers and prey, and if every attack resulted in a kill.
Also, prior to 2013 Concord only showed up when there was a player on the KM, now they show up regardless as long as they are involved in the kill.
Also, people using noob ships/shuttles to pull concord are also mixed in there which inflates the number by a considerable amount, I sometimes find my self pulling multiple sets of concord off a gate when I haven't even engaged anything yet.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
2324
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Posted - 2015.02.12 22:16:52 -
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Grrrr, facts.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff | No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that.
Sabriz for CSM
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Ned Thomas
Hellbound Turkeys Alliance of Abandoned Cybernetic Rejects
844
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Posted - 2015.02.12 22:19:28 -
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admiral root wrote:GetSirrus wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Go ahead, show your proof as well, i'll wait on both you posters. you asked for it; https://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=151081 losses to the Concord Police Captain provide a statistic for unsanctioned attack. 2014 61066 2013 53951 2012 24087 There, proof of more criminal activity, ie high-sec has become less safe. Over to you, Jenn. That would be absolutely true if every criminal act had a 1:1 ratio between attackers and prey, and if every attack resulted in a kill.
You could also make the arguement that the number of Concord kills is inflated by nerfs to other forms of pvp in high sec.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9754
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Posted - 2015.02.12 22:23:28 -
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UberFly wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:You Think 200+ million isk per hour with a frig sized ship in the most mechanically protected space in the game is 'working as intended"?
Ok, not lying, simply insane and wrong then.
Yes, yes you are. You aren't earning 200m/hr, you take 2 characters, and you still have to convert the LP (just like you do in incursions) which takes time to find the right module and market, investing in the module and getting it to market. You also risk 200m+ in ship and fittings, as the burner missions are quite unforgiving to even minor errors. That thread you linked clearly shows that not only are not a lot of people doing this (what about 20 - 30 different posters in that whole thread?), but the cost of the ships is high, as are the skill and attention requirements. These are the same reasons that incursions pay so well, and the reason both have had communities pop up around their game play. The groups discuss fits, work out tactics and are the only reason that isk is maximized. Maybe we should kill the forums and stop all this socialization..... Quit lying to yourself and count all the time it takes for you to get that isk, you'll see its a lot longer than an hour.
The 2nd toon is docked, it's just for standings, it's a luxury not a necessity.
But the rest of that? can't you see that you are rationalizing in order to deny the truth. You're trying (and failing), by bring up rally senseless points (lol, 20-30 people in a thread, you know most people don't use forums), to say that something you don't know anything about is somehow untrue, despite the fact that you don't know anything else about it. Those of us who PVE know better.
Lie to yourself all you like, you don't matter. CCP knows and hopefully they'll fix the problem and restore a sane risk/reward blance that shifted (and then died) with the introduction of wormholes and the exploration system changes that turned Sisters of EVE into lp store paradise.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9754
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Posted - 2015.02.12 22:37:06 -
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GetSirrus wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Go ahead, show your proof as well, i'll wait on both you posters. you asked for it; https://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=151081 losses to the Concord Police Captain provide a statistic for unsanctioned attack. 2014 61066 2013 53951 2012 24087 There, proof of more criminal activity, ie high-sec has become less safe. Over to you, Jenn.
Ok, now post the part where I said There was less criminal activity in High Sewc.
I said "the claim that high sec is LESS SAFE than null sec is false". So please show us the proof that states that a pilot is statistically more likely to be blown up by another player in high sec than in null. Because that's the issue being discussed, not how much criminal activity is happening in high sec. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
14972
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Posted - 2015.02.12 22:39:57 -
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Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
The only SoE item worth moving is probe launchers and the conversion rate is still not that great. Unless he's found some unknown "hot" item.
Like I said before if you devote 4 accounts and 10-12 characters to the game and have figured out how to farm burner missions effortlessly you probably aren't the best baseline for balancing. Ive looked over the burner fits and I can't afford to lose a couple of those on the learning curve. Also 1 catalyst catches you and you're toast. Osmon you said?
You should do a little more research into SoE, if offers better income than the main sov null isk making activities.
For burners you only need one account and one character and have a dedicated frigate to each mission. Not only are said frigates cheap and not worth ganking but frankly if you get caught by a gankalyst then you are either AFK or a very bad pilot.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9754
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Posted - 2015.02.12 22:40:02 -
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Paranoid Loyd wrote:admiral root wrote:GetSirrus wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Go ahead, show your proof as well, i'll wait on both you posters. you asked for it; https://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=151081 losses to the Concord Police Captain provide a statistic for unsanctioned attack. 2014 61066 2013 53951 2012 24087 There, proof of more criminal activity, ie high-sec has become less safe. Over to you, Jenn. That would be absolutely true if every criminal act had a 1:1 ratio between attackers and prey, and if every attack resulted in a kill. Also, prior to 2013 Concord only showed up when there was a player on the KM, now they show up regardless as long as they are involved in the kill. Also, people using noob ships/shuttles to pull concord are mixed in there which inflates the number by a considerable amount, I sometimes find my self pulling multiple sets of concord off a gate when I haven't even engaged anything yet.
Ah, you mean what that guy thought was proof is actually only a change in how killmails work and thus proof of nothing (even if it weren't off the actual topic we were discussing?
Damn, and here I was all ready to say I was wrong and EVE should be a carebear game.
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UberFly
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2015.02.12 22:40:43 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:The 2nd toon is docked, it's just for standings, it's a luxury not a necessity.
But the rest of that? can't you see that you are rationalizing in order to deny the truth. You're trying (and failing), by bring up rally senseless points (lol, 20-30 people in a thread, you know most people don't use forums), to say that something you don't know anything about is somehow untrue, despite the fact that you don't know anything else about it. Those of us who PVE know better.
Lie to yourself all you like, you don't matter. CCP knows and hopefully they'll fix the problem and restore a sane risk/reward blance that shifted (and then died) with the introduction of wormholes and the exploration system changes that turned Sisters of EVE into lp store paradise.
You're like a child, you just want to be right so bad that you refuse to see how your own arguments are used against you. You maximize your isk, then think CCP should somehow stop you. The simple fact is, you have only "feelings" and "speculation" to go on, there are no hard numbers. You are guessing, and spending an awful lot of time whining about your guesses.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6536
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Posted - 2015.02.12 22:43:23 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Paranoid Loyd wrote:admiral root wrote:GetSirrus wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Go ahead, show your proof as well, i'll wait on both you posters. you asked for it; https://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=151081 losses to the Concord Police Captain provide a statistic for unsanctioned attack. 2014 61066 2013 53951 2012 24087 There, proof of more criminal activity, ie high-sec has become less safe. Over to you, Jenn. That would be absolutely true if every criminal act had a 1:1 ratio between attackers and prey, and if every attack resulted in a kill. Also, prior to 2013 Concord only showed up when there was a player on the KM, now they show up regardless as long as they are involved in the kill. Also, people using noob ships/shuttles to pull concord are mixed in there which inflates the number by a considerable amount, I sometimes find my self pulling multiple sets of concord off a gate when I haven't even engaged anything yet. Ah, you mean what that guy thought was proof is actually only a change in how killmails work and thus proof of nothing (even if it weren't off the actual topic we were discussing? Damn, and here I was all ready to say I was wrong and EVE should be a carebear game. EVE will be a carebear game soon enough... so it's fine to be wrong or right
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9754
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Posted - 2015.02.12 22:44:03 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:And to get even close to that you must be chaining burner missions with multiple alts and a shiny daredevil (which IS easily gankable) Only easily gankable if someone is autopiloting and AFK. There's not a single Daredevil gank that I could find on zkillboard in the last 6 month period I checked. e. I found one. 1 gank in the last 6 months by a Tornado costing 80 million ISK and there are a lot of Daredevil losses in that time.
Damn it, those pesky facts again.
it's easier for them to question me than to examine their own inexperience. But hey, if it makes them feel better about themselves, I'm willing to serve :).
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
5095
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Posted - 2015.02.12 22:44:17 -
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So yet another whine thread about the same thing? Yet not simply locked for redundancy? Feyd, just because you want to mock up a fake graph that ignores all changes except the ones that help your point, doesn't mean the game is turning into Hello Kitty.
And at the end of the day, if you don't like it and can't just HTFU, then leave. /thread
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
14972
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Posted - 2015.02.12 22:44:39 -
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GetSirrus wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Go ahead, show your proof as well, i'll wait on both you posters. you asked for it; https://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=151081 losses to the Concord Police Captain provide a statistic for unsanctioned attack. 2014 61066 2013 53951 2012 24087 There, proof of more criminal activity, ie high-sec has become less safe. Over to you, Jenn.
That covers the time when we moved from using battleships to gank to using a dozen catalysts to do the same job.
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Vic Jefferson
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
141
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Posted - 2015.02.12 22:45:05 -
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GetSirrus wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Go ahead, show your proof as well, i'll wait on both you posters. you asked for it; https://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=151081 losses to the Concord Police Captain provide a statistic for unsanctioned attack. 2014 61066 2013 53951 2012 24087 There, proof of more criminal activity, ie high-sec has become less safe. Over to you, Jenn.
I would spin an alternative hypothesis before accepting one you want to accept a-priori.
It could be that there are less or the same number of attacks, but each attack is involving more pilots. You need like, what, 24+ catalyst to take down a freighter?
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
14972
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Posted - 2015.02.12 22:47:11 -
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Vic Jefferson wrote:GetSirrus wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Go ahead, show your proof as well, i'll wait on both you posters. you asked for it; https://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=151081 losses to the Concord Police Captain provide a statistic for unsanctioned attack. 2014 61066 2013 53951 2012 24087 There, proof of more criminal activity, ie high-sec has become less safe. Over to you, Jenn. I would spin an alternative hypothesis before accepting one you want to accept a-priori. It could be that there are less or the same number of attacks, but each attack is involving more pilots. You need like, what, 24+ catalyst to take down a freighter?
Upwards of 50 depending on the target.
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UberFly
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
18
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Posted - 2015.02.12 22:49:54 -
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Vic Jefferson wrote:I would spin an alternative hypothesis before accepting one you want to accept a-priori.
It could be that there are less or the same number of attacks, but each attack is involving more pilots. You need like, what, 24+ catalyst to take down a freighter?
baltec1 wrote:Upwards of 50 depending on the target.
Soo, you're saying that all these "nerfs", that have been so terrible for gankers, have actually made them start working together to accomplish their goals? That they have had to do as they suggest the miners do, and join together for more fun and profit? yeah, sounds f'ing terrible. |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9755
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Posted - 2015.02.12 22:52:26 -
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UberFly wrote: You're like a child, you just want to be right so bad that you refuse to see how your own arguments are used against you. You maximize your isk, then think CCP should somehow stop you. The simple fact is, you have only "feelings" and "speculation" to go on, there are no hard numbers. You are guessing, and spending an awful lot of time whining about your guesses.
Nope, not guessing. I live off this. But we've been over the numbers over and over again. look up StoicFaux's fine work with his lvl3 blitzing machariel, that thing makes more isk in high sec than and Ishtar (or another mach) can make in null.
And wanting CCP to stop me? This is a perception fail on your part. I want CCP to do what's best for our game regardless of how it affects me (like they did when they nerfed my heavy missiles that sidle lined my FoF missile tengu, or when they nerfed tracking enhancers that affected my mission Machariel).
Some of us can look past our narrow interests because we understand that good game balance benefits us (individually and as a game community) better than bad game balance even if that bad balance is exploitable and comfortable (as high sec isk making is for those of us who know how).
I know that last sentence went way over your head, don't stress to much, you can't spare the brain cells anyways
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
14972
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Posted - 2015.02.12 22:52:54 -
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UberFly wrote:
Soo, you're saying that all these "nerfs", that have been so terrible for gankers, have actually made them start working together to accomplish their goals? That they have had to do as they suggest the miners do, and join together for more fun and profit? yeah, sounds f'ing terrible.
We worked in groups from day one.
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admiral root
Red Galaxy
2326
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Posted - 2015.02.12 22:53:00 -
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UberFly wrote:Soo, you're saying that all these "nerfs", that have been so terrible for gankers, have actually made them start working together to accomplish their goals? That they have had to do as they suggest the miners do, and join together for more fun and profit? yeah, sounds f'ing terrible.
Having to bring more people to kill a single target is a result of nerfs. That we do what whiner miners refuse to (ie: work together) has no bearing.
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff | No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6225
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Posted - 2015.02.12 22:53:51 -
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baltec1 wrote:Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
The only SoE item worth moving is probe launchers and the conversion rate is still not that great. Unless he's found some unknown "hot" item.
Like I said before if you devote 4 accounts and 10-12 characters to the game and have figured out how to farm burner missions effortlessly you probably aren't the best baseline for balancing. Ive looked over the burner fits and I can't afford to lose a couple of those on the learning curve. Also 1 catalyst catches you and you're toast. Osmon you said?
You should do a little more research into SoE, if offers better income than the main sov null isk making activities. For burners you only need one account and one character and have a dedicated frigate to each mission. Not only are said frigates cheap and not worth ganking but frankly if you get caught by a gankalyst then you are either AFK or a very bad pilot.
One would imagine that SoE LPs could translate into big ISK and over what the mover product is (many still insist it's probes).
Last I checked there were only 20 Nestors on sale between Osmon and Jita and have begun to doubt if there is much ISK being made off of them. The Astero I am told is a better mover than the Stratios but the price of the Stratios has gone up since last summer. (Not looking at market charts at the moment so I don't have numbers).
Probes and launchers might still be king mainly because the base product is still cheap and comes from a T1 BP.
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Vic Jefferson
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
143
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Posted - 2015.02.12 22:57:03 -
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UberFly wrote: Soo, you're saying that all these "nerfs", that have been so terrible for gankers, have actually made them start working together to accomplish their goals? That they have had to do as they suggest the miners do, and join together for more fun and profit? yeah, sounds f'ing terrible.
I don't think anyone is complaining about teamwork. It's one of the few gratifying parts of the game.
It is not about any one particular change either, it is about the trend and philosophy empowering a progressive destruction of the sandbox. Trend lines are scary because of the direction they point, not where they have already crossed.
Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9757
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Posted - 2015.02.12 22:57:26 -
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UberFly wrote:
Soo, you're saying that all these "nerfs", that have been so terrible for gankers, have actually made them start working together to accomplish their goals? That they have had to do as they suggest the miners do, and join together for more fun and profit? yeah, sounds f'ing terrible.
Which means gankers got nerfed, because you need to group up to do what you could have done solo before, where as miners don't have to do anything.
Nerfing people who actually create the sense of danger and adventure in EVE rather than nerfing the people who add nothing to the game while pretending to be space cows (miners) grazing on space grass (Asteroids) and space wales (freighters) swimming in the iskie sea, well, that's just the wrong way to go and CCP needs to reverse course.
Defending yourself successfully from 'bad people' is part of the fun of eve if you don't suck.
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