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Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2015.02.13 18:40:42 -
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Hello Pilots, it's your Friendly Banana coming to you with an issue.
I've got a suggestion which is also somewhat of a question. After discussing this issue with several others recently, and even mentioning it to CSM corbexx to look into, I figured it was about time I made an actual thread to make this an actual suggestion.
TL:DR -I'd like to see the physically simulated hair look remain in final portraits.
Physically Simulated Hair and Cloth We've all seen it in the character creator, the gorgeous flowing long-locks of hair, the ponytails hanging effortlessly behind the wearer's back, the braids draped gracefully over one's shoulder. But you see once you've taken your new portrait it doesn't come out looking anything at all like that. In fact, with the mothballing of WiS, the physically simulated hair and cloth look is nothing more than a WiS legacy that hangs in the character creator, teasing us with a level of beauty we can only dream about retaining in our final, rendered portraits.
Here's an example. Take me, The Banana, I recently changed my hairstyle to the lovely braids you see before you. When I completed the portrait and inspected it pre-render/update I thought "Wow, that's awesome"
Before final portrait render: http://i.imgur.com/6FKy4JP.jpg
Then after the portrait eventually rendered/updated I was left stunned and more than a little dissapointed to see my braids suddenly floating in mid-air!
After the final render: https://image.eveonline.com/character/942849185_1024.jpg
Ewww, right?
As it turns out, this is the reason we see a ton of portraits around with distorted looking hair, especially ponytails. It's the same reason we see our long hair suddenly cut short in the final portrait, it's the reason braids somehow defy physics and begin to levitate.
CCP, the servers seem to recognize the simulated hair look just fine (look at the pre-rendered version of my own, ingame). But for some reason it does not keep this look after the portrait is rendered/updated and it returns to the non-simulated appearance. Not only is this purely ugly and wasting people's time in the character creator, but it seems like an enormous waste of what is a spectacular part of your character creator.
Please CCP, can you allow us to keep the simulated hair appearance in final portraits. Pretty please?
If not, why?
Thank you for taking the time to read. GÖÑ
=ƒÉÆ Bob Is Always Watching ...
"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James
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Kaaeliaa
The Vendunari End of Life
68573
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Posted - 2015.02.13 19:35:10 -
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I normally have short hair, but there have been a few times where I've noticed some very annoying incongruities between how my client renders the portrait and how the server renders it. Silliness. Extreme silliness!
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Sunrise Aigele
Pemberley Enterprises BadWrongFun
48
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Posted - 2015.02.13 20:02:50 -
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I have been burned by this so many times! It is why I have my hair in a bun. |
Kaaeliaa
The Vendunari End of Life
68580
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Posted - 2015.02.13 20:08:23 -
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Sunrise Aigele wrote:I have been burned by this so many times! It is why I have my hair in a bun.
If it's any consolation, I think it looks cute!
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Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2015.02.13 20:12:38 -
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Sunrise Aigele wrote:I have been burned by this so many times! It is why I have my hair in a bun. Sorry to hear, but I agree with Kaeeliaa - you look great.
Same issue for me, these braids were an experiment after hours of attempts with the ponytail failed due to this issue. I found I loved the braided look though, but then found even it got ruined by the portrait incompatibility...
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"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James
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Kaaeliaa
The Vendunari End of Life
68582
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Posted - 2015.02.13 20:21:08 -
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Candi LeMew wrote:Sunrise Aigele wrote:I have been burned by this so many times! It is why I have my hair in a bun. Sorry to hear, but I agree with Kaeeliaa - you look great. Same issue for me, these braids were an experiment after hours of attempts with the ponytail failed due to this issue. I found I loved the braided look though, but then found even it got ruined by the portrait incompatibility...
You still look fantastic, Miss Candi!
I find it interesting that the portraits are apparently rendered twice, once in the client, and then again, completely separately, by the server. How hard would it be to just render it once, locally, and send that to the server?
Here's an interesting example. One night, while making a new portrait, I managed to get my hair to look a bit pink. I thought it was just a fortuitous trick of lighting, but apparently it was just a glitch and the server rendered it as very dull red. I was extremely disappointed.
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Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
20619
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Posted - 2015.02.13 20:27:07 -
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Kaaeliaa wrote:You still look fantastic, Miss Candi! Daww thanks
Tbh I still like the overall look, so stayed with it despite it's unnecessary flaws.
Kaaeliaa wrote:I find it interesting that the portraits are apparently rendered twice, once in the client, and then again, completely separately, by the server. How hard would it be to just render it once, locally, and send that to the server? Here's an interesting example. One night, while making a new portrait, I managed to get my hair to look a bit pink. I thought it was just a fortuitous trick of lighting, but apparently it was just a glitch and the server rendered it as very dull red. I was extremely disappointed. Ohhh very nice. I think I remember you showing me that before(?)
Anycase yeah, it looked great and a shame the server didn't keep the appearance properly.
You seemed to have worked with it pretty well though! Kaaeliaa's always looking classy and very attractive.
But we can all look so much better CCP.
=ƒÉÆ Bob Is Always Watching ...
"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James
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Erica Dusette
Isogen 5
37398
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Posted - 2015.02.13 20:37:34 -
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I whole-hairedly support and/or endorse this question and/or suggestion.
Let's put all our bad hair days behind us, CCP.
Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!
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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
3486
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Posted - 2015.02.13 23:02:31 -
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While this will never affect me, I do still agree with OP and so +1 for this. |
Badel Jramodarr
8897
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Posted - 2015.02.14 02:40:38 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:I whole-hairedly support and/or endorse this question and/or suggestion.
Let's put all our bad hair days behind us, CCP.
*tackle hugs* What she said...
I do feel the OP has a good point, though it may not effect me so much, I still would like my dreadlocks looking as marvelous as possible, not-to-mention, my beard
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FireFrenzy
Satan's Unicorns
211
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Posted - 2015.02.14 09:22:18 -
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Also! ANTIGRAVITY HAIR! Not sure whats up with that... |
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
279
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Posted - 2015.02.14 11:40:55 -
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While we are at it, can we get braids, ponytails and long hair for men too?
I can't be a suitably fashionable Gallente pilot without absolutely fabulous hair. |
Kabark
Caliburn Company Violent Declaration
5
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Posted - 2015.02.14 17:54:54 -
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Godfrey Silvarna wrote:While we are at it, can we get braids, ponytails and long hair for men too?
I can't be a suitably fashionable Gallente pilot without absolutely fabulous hair. My toon has had the bald white eyed phycopath look since creation. But I agree that the portrait rendering needs to reflect the portrait creator. And I would really like to see some long beards or braided beards. I've always felt like a Space Viking trapped in a woman's body. |
Erica Dusette
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2015.02.19 18:53:33 -
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Giving this important issue a kick back to the front page.
Let's not allow this issue to disappear in the same way as your hair's length does because of this problem.
Instead, let it levitate to the front page, like Candi's braids.
Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!
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Alundil
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2015.02.19 20:04:33 -
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Godfrey Silvarna wrote:While we are at it, can we get braids, ponytails and long hair for men too?
I can't be a suitably fashionable Gallente pilot without absolutely fabulous hair. I seem to pull it off sans hair.
:p
I'm right behind you
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Kaaeliaa
The Vendunari End of Life
69642
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Posted - 2015.02.19 20:07:41 -
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*butt-bumps thread*
See how shiny and flake free my hair is?
Head and Shoulders!
Points for reference.
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Kabark
Caliburn Company Violent Declaration
12
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Posted - 2015.02.19 21:54:40 -
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Still waiting to look like Space Viking. |
Alena McJenkins
McJenkins' Saucy Shipwreckers LLC
10
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Posted - 2015.02.22 04:37:09 -
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Yes. Floatiness hair is silly.
Oh and while we're here, why not add more mohawks? I would pay massively for a mohawk reminiscent of a Roman helmet, or perhaps some liberty spikes. This wispy one irritates the forehead.
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Kabark
Caliburn Company Violent Declaration
13
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Posted - 2015.02.22 04:42:34 -
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Alena McJenkins wrote:Yes. Floatiness hair is silly.
Oh and while we're here, why not add more mohawks? I would pay massively for a mohawk reminiscent of a Roman helmet, or perhaps some liberty spikes. This wispy one irritates the forehead. Oh what about headwear? We already have facial implants in the AUR store, why not hats, helmets, and visors? |
Alena McJenkins
McJenkins' Saucy Shipwreckers LLC
10
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Posted - 2015.02.22 04:46:22 -
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Kabark wrote: Oh what about headwear? We already have facial implants in the AUR store, why not hats, helmets, and visors?
Yes indeed! I could go for a giant, ridiculous gibus, or a Soviet-like peaked visor cap. Or a fruit hat.
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Kabark
Caliburn Company Violent Declaration
14
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Posted - 2015.02.22 05:33:06 -
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Alena McJenkins wrote:Kabark wrote: Oh what about headwear? We already have facial implants in the AUR store, why not hats, helmets, and visors?
Yes indeed! I could go for a giant, ridiculous gibus, or a Soviet-like peaked visor cap. Or a fruit hat. Or a spiked Kaiser helmet that adds emphasis to Sansha ships! |
Colette Kassia
Kassia Industrial Supply
66
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Posted - 2015.02.22 07:25:38 -
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I seem like it would be more work to make it broken like this than it would be to make the final render exactly like in the portrait-maker-thing.
The physical simulation is done client-side. But they can't simply let the client do a screen capture, and send that to the server, because people would hack it and inject naughty pictures its place. So the server takes a summery of the user's settings and does a rendering server-side. But they don't want to spend the CPU cycles doing a full simulation on the server. Instead, they do an approximation with static meshes, and we get this. (This is my own hypothesis.)
But really, how may people are making portraits every second? They should have just whacked the client code into a little rendering program that renders the image (EXACTLY as the client does it) into a back buffer and saves it. |
FireFrenzy
Satan's Unicorns
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Posted - 2015.02.22 17:42:47 -
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i mean surely it cant be THAT hard to let it upload the picture to the server... Having the server render it in parallel would probably be trickier to pull off...
Assuming noone hax his client to get truely bizarre pictures in and that should be detectable somehow... |
Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2015.02.22 19:13:55 -
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They probably don't trust our computers with our portraits because someone would figure out how to hack extra naughty things into them, or maybe a driver glitch/hack will cause all your clothes to disappear. Oops?
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Mournful Conciousness
Embers Children TOHA Conglomerate
829
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Posted - 2015.02.22 19:31:15 -
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I take it you are aware that a few years ago we the players went to war with CCP because they wanted to turn our game of 'blowing up spaceships' into a game of 'dressing up dolls'
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Kabark
Caliburn Company Violent Declaration
14
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Posted - 2015.02.22 21:27:42 -
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Mournful Conciousness wrote:I take it you are aware that a few years ago we the players went to war with CCP because they wanted to turn our game of 'blowing up spaceships' into a game of 'dressing up dolls' As long as my Ken Doll has a Viking helmet and a long braided beard, I will happily go back to saving beautiful women and valuable riches from burning ships. |
Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
25432
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Posted - 2015.03.25 02:31:22 -
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Thanks for the posts of support, pilots.
'bout time I gave this a Banana Bump to the front page.
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FireFrenzy
Satan's Unicorns
285
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Posted - 2015.03.25 06:41:00 -
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I dunno i went to war with CCP because they wanted me to pay INFINITE MONEY for my barbie clothing... That was a bigger problem for me then the dress-up part... |
Sean Parisi
Fugutive Task Force A T O N E M E N T
672
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Posted - 2015.03.25 11:50:23 -
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Well, not everyone has access to the finest hair spray.
Luckily, I do. |
Lan Wang
Coreli Corporation The Kadeshi
259
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Posted - 2015.03.25 12:00:35 -
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+ 1 for nicer hair, i use short hair because i just couldnt get the long hair to work :(
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