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Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2015.02.14 11:52:59 -
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I just read that apparently full API access allows corporations to read the EVE-mail of potential new recruits.
I wonder if that includes any EVE-mails sent to that person, or being quoted by that person.
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Mag's
the united
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Posted - 2015.02.14 11:55:19 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:I just read that apparently full API access allows corporations to read the EVE-mail of potential new recruits. I wonder if that includes any EVE-mails sent to that person, or being quoted by that person. I just read all your mails and you really have nothing to worry about. That rash should clear up in a week.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
16097
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Posted - 2015.02.14 11:56:11 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:I just read that apparently full API access allows corporations to read the EVE-mail of potential new recruits. I wonder if that includes any EVE-mails sent to that person, or being quoted by that person.
Yep. Any evemail.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2015.02.14 12:08:03 -
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Malcanis wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:I just read that apparently full API access allows corporations to read the EVE-mail of potential new recruits. I wonder if that includes any EVE-mails sent to that person, or being quoted by that person. Yep. Any evemail.
That's interesting, as nobody CCP warned me that full APIs would compromise my privacy if I as much as sent a evemail to someone and that someone intended to join a player corporation and provided a full API.
Let's say that for some reason, I trust someone and evemail him some personal data, and that someone joins a corporation unaware of what a full API does mean to any personal data being shared through CCP's services...
I really wonder now whether CCP warns of that, somewhere.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
16098
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Posted - 2015.02.14 12:12:58 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Malcanis wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:I just read that apparently full API access allows corporations to read the EVE-mail of potential new recruits. I wonder if that includes any EVE-mails sent to that person, or being quoted by that person. Yep. Any evemail. That's interesting, as nobody CCP warned me that full APIs would compromise my privacy if I as much as sent a evemail to someone and that someone intended to join a player corporation and provided a full API. Let's say that for some reason, I trust someone and evemail him some personal data, and that someone joins a corporation unaware of what a full API does mean to any personal data being shared through CCP's services... I really wonder now whether CCP warns of that, somewhere.
I don't know what else you thought full API meant? TBH this is pretty common knowledge, and given that GMs can also read your evemails, I can't think why anyone would ever put anything personal into one.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2015.02.14 12:26:40 -
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Malcanis wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Malcanis wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:I just read that apparently full API access allows corporations to read the EVE-mail of potential new recruits. I wonder if that includes any EVE-mails sent to that person, or being quoted by that person. Yep. Any evemail. That's interesting, as nobody CCP warned me that full APIs would compromise my privacy if I as much as sent a evemail to someone and that someone intended to join a player corporation and provided a full API. Let's say that for some reason, I trust someone and evemail him some personal data, and that someone joins a corporation unaware of what a full API does mean to any personal data being shared through CCP's services... I really wonder now whether CCP warns of that, somewhere. I don't know what else you thought full API meant? TBH this is pretty common knowledge, and given that GMs can also read your evemails, I can't think why anyone would ever put anything personal into one.
Is a "pretty common knowledge" which I ignored until just 20 minutes ago, after playing the game for most of 6 years and never needing to give a full API to anyone. Now, I don't know whether I ever said anything personal on evemail, and also don't know if that is being warned anywhere by CCP.
But I am upset that such a delicate matter is just left to be learned by chance. I never wrote evemail thinking that every last recruiter in EVE could read them.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
11771
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Posted - 2015.02.14 12:31:33 -
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It's not "by chance", there's a freaking tab for mail on the API page. It could not be more obvious.
Stop trying to manufacture controversy.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
16100
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Posted - 2015.02.14 12:32:44 -
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As you yourself say, you ignored the issue. That's not the same as it being any kind of deep dirty secret.
Anyway, now you've asked about something you were concerned about, you've found out the information you needed, and you can act on your knowledge.
Be careful that this doesn't set some kind of precedent you might later come to regret.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
8897
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Posted - 2015.02.14 13:15:37 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Is a "pretty common knowledge" which I ignored until just 20 minutes ago, after playing the game for most of 6 years
yes, even i knew that and im hammered most of the time
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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
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Posted - 2015.02.14 14:35:29 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Malcanis wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Malcanis wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:I just read that apparently full API access allows corporations to read the EVE-mail of potential new recruits. I wonder if that includes any EVE-mails sent to that person, or being quoted by that person. Yep. Any evemail. That's interesting, as nobody CCP warned me that full APIs would compromise my privacy if I as much as sent a evemail to someone and that someone intended to join a player corporation and provided a full API. Let's say that for some reason, I trust someone and evemail him some personal data, and that someone joins a corporation unaware of what a full API does mean to any personal data being shared through CCP's services... I really wonder now whether CCP warns of that, somewhere. I don't know what else you thought full API meant? TBH this is pretty common knowledge, and given that GMs can also read your evemails, I can't think why anyone would ever put anything personal into one. Is a "pretty common knowledge" which I ignored until just 20 minutes ago, after playing the game for most of 6 years and never needing to give a full API to anyone. Now, I don't know whether I ever said anything personal on evemail, and also don't know if that is being warned anywhere by CCP. But I am upset that such a delicate matter is just left to be learned by chance. I never wrote evemail thinking that every last recruiter in EVE could read them.
so it's everyones fault that you decided to read feck all over the last 6 years.
you gave your full api key to poeple and couldn't be bothered asking why they need it. this is standard stuff in EVE recruitment, infact checks into players go a lot deeper than that. stop acting like you didn't know, i refuse to believe this shite.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2015.02.14 14:44:59 -
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xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Is a "pretty common knowledge" which I ignored until just 20 minutes ago, after playing the game for most of 6 years and never needing to give a full API to anyone. Now, I don't know whether I ever said anything personal on evemail, and also don't know if that is being warned anywhere by CCP.
But I am upset that such a delicate matter is just left to be learned by chance. I never wrote evemail thinking that every last recruiter in EVE could read them. so it's everyones fault that you decided to read feck all over the last 6 years. you gave your full api key to poeple and couldn't be bothered asking why they need it. this is standard stuff in EVE recruitment, infact checks into players go a lot deeper than that. stop acting like you didn't know, i refuse to believe this shite.
Go back to reading comprehension 101. I've never needed a full API, so when should I have learned that OTHERS giving THEIR full APIs would compromise MY evemails to them?
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2015.02.14 14:46:27 -
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My standard rule of thumb is pretty simple - if you don't want other people to know something, don't write it down. If you write it down, chances are, it will come back to bite you at some point.
And let's be honest, it's not like Eve Mail was ever secret - the GMs can read them as can, I expect, the database team, the developers, and anyone else who has a modicum of access to anything at all at CCP. They were never private to begin with - just like your email and your IM's and your facebook messages.
If you actually sat back and thought about all the people who have access to the items you put online, you'd never post anything again.
Our network engineers could, in theory, read this post I am writing, as soon as I hit send, and it gets bounced through the company proxy server.
If you just assume that anything you post anywhere on the internet will be readable by everyone in the world and will never ever get totally deleted, you'd make smarter decisions about this stuff.
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Elenahina
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
91
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Posted - 2015.02.14 14:49:45 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Go back to reading comprehension 101. I've never needed a full API, so when should I have learned that OTHERS giving THEIR full APIs would compromise MY evemails to them?
What part of "A full API gives access to ALL evemails in a person's mailbox" is confusing you? You obviously understand the concept of a full API or you wouldn't be worried about it. Is the inbox part of the mailbox? Why yes, yes it is. As is the sent items box.
The logic here is not herculean - as a picture, it pretty much paints itself.
For the record, it also gives access to evemails they have sent to the trash bin,. assuming it hasn't been emptied.
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Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2015.02.14 14:50:52 -
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Just like with real emails, they're possibly readable by a slew of routers that the message passes through, and by the NSA, and your recipient friend has a permanent copy and can fully post all your private info and photos on the internets for everyone to see.
So, do not send private information through the in-game email.
If you have, already, delete it, and ask your friend to delete it. He/she probably will, if they're your friend.
And if they don't, a bunch of recruiters and directors, who are probably so swamped by join requests and corporate drama issues that they don't even have time to eat, may see your in-game mail and disregard it. They're typically looking for signs that you're a spy, corp thief, or awoxer, really, and probably won't even care to read whatever private info you've disclosed. |
Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
1110
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Posted - 2015.02.14 14:51:18 -
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On that same note: any 3rd party program that makes use of API is probably collecting info on your alts (which characters are added, your standings, money trails etc), your POS locations, any supers you may be building and whatnot. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Warp to Cyno.
4277
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Posted - 2015.02.14 15:11:55 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:I really wonder now whether CCP warns of that, somewhere. having 'no expectation of privacy' regarding any info you send through the service is somewhere in the tos or eula
few people read those, and i don't consider it entirely their fault if they're ignorant of the information shared by the api
i knew about the api and was still surprised when one of my mails turned up on a blog |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2015.02.14 15:12:01 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:Just like with real emails, they're possibly readable by a slew of routers that the message passes through, and by the NSA, and your recipient friend has a permanent copy and can fully post all your private info and photos on the internets for everyone to see.
So, do not send private information through the in-game email.
If you have, already, delete it, and ask your friend to delete it. He/she probably will, if they're your friend.
And if they don't, a bunch of recruiters and directors, who are probably so swamped by join requests and corporate drama issues that they don't even have time to eat, may see your in-game mail and disregard it. They're typically looking for signs that you're a spy, corp thief, or awoxer, really, and probably won't even care to read whatever private info you've disclosed.
Maybe we're losing focus here.
What bothers me is not that "my" API gives "my" information but that "their" API will give out "my" information too, and I have not been warned of that before using the evemail service.
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Warp to Cyno.
4277
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Posted - 2015.02.14 15:12:44 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:On that same note: any 3rd party program that makes use of API is probably collecting info on your alts (which characters are added, your standings, money trails etc), your POS locations, any supers you may be building and whatnot. nah |
Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
1110
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Posted - 2015.02.14 15:14:36 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Maybe we're losing focus here.
What bothers me is not that "my" API gives "my" information but that "their" API will give out "my" information too, and I have not been warned of that before using the evemail service.
Not really. Everyone's focus is "well duh" and "this took you 6 years to figure out?". |
Erica Dusette
Isogen 5
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Posted - 2015.02.14 15:58:12 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:What bothers me is not that "my" API gives "my" information but that "their" API will give out "my" information too, and I have not been warned of that before using the evemail service. I'm not much of a fan of it.
Sure, over time I have discussed personal matters with friends in EVE, I often speak of family or personal goings-on in the forums threads I hang out in, and in mails I often go deeper into it with friends I trust. Like my dad's recent illness or troubles at work.
RL stuff aside, as an RP'er it's also not unusual for me to send or receive mails of a.... err, personal nature
Personal to my character, that is.
I've had comments from leadership in prior corps about the contents of my inbox lmao, and as I mentioned in my corp's channel just recently in fact, if a complete non-RPer looked into my inbox they would prolly freak the **** out.
So yeah, these days I never give full API access. You'll get my character details, wallet and contacts but that's about it.
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Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy Caldari State
612
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Posted - 2015.02.14 16:17:29 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Is a "pretty common knowledge" which I ignored until just 20 minutes ago, after playing the game for most of 6 years
yes, even i knew that and im hammered most of the time So tempted to indulge in a stereotype
@OP You agree to it when you "sign" the EULA and again when you create a full API.
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Orlacc
785
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Posted - 2015.02.14 16:38:57 -
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EULA. Read it so you don't "assume" things.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2015.02.14 16:43:23 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:What bothers me is not that "my" API gives "my" information but that "their" API will give out "my" information too, and I have not been warned of that before using the evemail service. I'm not much of a fan of it. Sure, over time I have discussed personal matters with friends in EVE, I often speak of family or personal goings-on in the forums threads I hang out in, and in mails I often go deeper into it with friends I trust. Like my dad's recent illness or troubles at work. RL stuff aside, as an RP'er it's also not unusual for me to send or receive mails of a.... err, personal nature Personal to my character, that is. I've had comments from leadership in prior corps about the contents of my inbox lmao, and as I mentioned in my corp's channel just recently in fact, if a complete non-RPer looked into my inbox they would prolly freak the **** out. So yeah, these days I never give full API access. You'll get my character details, wallet and contacts but that's about it.
Oh, but the issue is not my API. It's that anyone who exchanged mails with you, will get your emails along with his if he gives full API.
The inbox should not be shared. And in any decent company, quoted mails would be censored before delivering them through API. My outgoing mail regarded as your incoming mail is nobody's business. You can not share it and certanly CCP can't make a shoddy work that forces you to share your inbox without warning everyone writing to you.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2015.02.14 16:48:11 -
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Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Is a "pretty common knowledge" which I ignored until just 20 minutes ago, after playing the game for most of 6 years
yes, even i knew that and im hammered most of the time So tempted to indulge in a stereotype @OP You agree to it when you "sign" the EULA and again when you create a full API.
Take a stop and breathe deeply. I never created a full API. But anyone who received my mail and created one, shared my mail without my acknowledgement becasue I didn't knew that such thing would happen.
If I share my mail, that's my business. If CCP forces you and me to share my mail with your potential employers, that's a serious deal for me.
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Erica Dusette
Isogen 5
37448
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Posted - 2015.02.14 16:54:29 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Oh, but the issue is not my API. It's that anyone who exchanged mails with you, will get your emails along with his if he gives full API. Yeah I see what you mean there.
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:The inbox should not be shared. Totally agree. But it is what it is, and people in this game are paranoid on a unprecedented scale. They actually want to read peoples personal mails to feel secure and if they could somehow even look into your RL living room I'm sure they prolly would also.
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Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.02.14 16:54:42 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Concord Guy's Cousin wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Is a "pretty common knowledge" which I ignored until just 20 minutes ago, after playing the game for most of 6 years
yes, even i knew that and im hammered most of the time So tempted to indulge in a stereotype @OP You agree to it when you "sign" the EULA and again when you create a full API. Take a stop and breathe deeply. I never created a full API. But anyone who received my mail and created one, shared my mail without my acknowledgement becasue I didn't knew that such thing would happen. If I share my mail, that's my business. If CCP forces you and me to share my mail with your potential employers, that's a serious deal for me. The issue is that you didn't read the EULA.
Quote:A. Communications
Except for certain information in your Account (discussed below), all transmissions by you to the System are not private. You acknowledge and agree that you have no expectation of privacy regarding communications you make in the Game, whether through private in-Game messaging, during chat, or in chat rooms.
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Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
280
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Posted - 2015.02.14 16:56:38 -
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One important thing to note in this discussion is that in American law and cultural coxtext sharing private communication without consent from BOTH involved parties is forbidden.
HOWEVER, In Europe, probably including Iceland, the recipient of a message can share and publish it however he wants and with whoever he wants no matter where and from whom the message comes from. The sender has no right to argue about it, unless an NDA has been mutually agreed upon well beforehand. I am pretty sure this feels just as natural to CCP as it does to me, even if it might make Americans uncomfortable.
Even without an EULA, european players would be well within their rights to share mails coming from you with their corp mates or recruiters.
So, if you want to be sure no one ever publishes your mails, never send any messages to Europe ever. |
M'pact
Apotheosis of Caledvwich Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2015.02.14 17:07:25 -
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Godfrey Silvarna wrote:One important thing to note in this discussion is that in American law and cultural coxtext sharing private communication without consent from BOTH involved parties is forbidden. ...and those who are paranoid about such things should have read the EULA. They voluntarily gave away any and all right to privacy when they agreed to it.
Like every single MMO out there, anything you type is no longer private. That includes regular chat, "private" chat, and in-game mail.
This here's EVE. Just like when you press undock, you should consider your ship already dead ... when you press Enter/Send, you should consider the words you typed already public.
And for the record, I'm an American.
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Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Spaceship Bebop
3707
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Posted - 2015.02.14 17:09:28 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Let's say that for some reason, I trust someone and evemail him some personal data, and that someone joins a corporation unaware of what a full API does mean to any personal data being shared through CCP's services... I guess you probably shouldn't trust people that are so careless in the first place.
Generally speaking, I trust smart jerks much more than nice fools. But I don't provide sensitive info to either.
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Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
257
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Posted - 2015.02.14 17:13:51 -
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EVEMail isn't EMail. Don't use it for personal thing. |
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