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Benny Ohu
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Posted - 2015.02.26 15:28:23 -
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or should that be non-dumbarsery i aint not fully learned on my english |
Benny Ohu
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Posted - 2015.02.26 15:32:44 -
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Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:I'm sure somehow this attempted semantic nightmare you have instigated what
what happened here today is that i tried to do something nice, and i still haven't been thanked
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Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2015.02.26 15:35:53 -
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No, that hasn't made how your explanation of how cloning works any more likely or actual either. |
Benny Ohu
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Posted - 2015.02.26 17:25:10 -
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please continue to describe for me in specific detail the problems you've found in the fictional article you didn't read which was kindly linked for you by a certain selfless forums poster
who still hasn't been thanked for his most modest contribution
who is named me
say 'thankyou, benny', as any human being with a basic sense of decency would when done a favour |
Goatman NotMyFault
Lubrication Industries Fortis Et Certus
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Posted - 2015.02.26 17:47:25 -
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Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:Goatman NotMyFault wrote: This will give a more Complete Picture of what the users of EVE think about it, and not the the few forum fanatics opinion. what you think cant be counted as what all EVE players thinks. To me, it appears that some forumusers belive that what they mean, reflexts ALL players in EVE.
Ergo would a survey make much better argument than 20 forumusers bickering page up and page Down, each one more stubborn than the other.
And what makes you think CCP would care any more about it in that form than any other so far for the last 3 years?
i can easily see why CCP dont care about this thread, or others for that matter, when some forumusers clogging up the post With bickering, ranting and no productive answers. (and its for me a big mysterium that the ISD's hasnt locked this post many many pages unless there is something going on in the shadows)
With a vote from the majority of the active playerbase of EVE, they cant just ignore it, but they can ofcourse reject a proposal for "change". But at some point, if they keep rejecing and ignoring their playerbase voices, they will at some point end up in trouble.... (the jita incident) |
Marsha Mallow
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Posted - 2015.02.26 18:07:19 -
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Quote:Clones are manufactured using biomass. Modern methods allow pretty much any kind of biomass to be used. The best clones are constructed from human cadavers, but anything from animal carcasses to organic soups can be used. Wait, WHAT?
Quote:Clone composition:
Certified human cadavers (Grade A+) [37%] Uncertified human cadavers (Grade A) [32%] Animal carcasses (Grade B) [23%] Organic materials (Grade C) [8%]
'Thankyou, benny' for selflessly linking lore articles which were clearly written by a giggling dev huffing some sort of narcotic.
Goatman NotMyFault wrote:i can easily see why CCP dont care about this thread, or others for that matter, when some forumusers clogging up the post With bickering, ranting and no productive answers. That's not true. Devs pop up on the forums all the time to point and laugh at the playerbase. They're our elite trolls. You're not exactly helping promote a serious and constructive discussion with that name btw.
I think this thread should be moved to F&I and be stickied along with the AFK cloaking and SP thread. Imagine what it'll look like in a year or two if it's left to run...
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Goatman NotMyFault
Lubrication Industries Fortis Et Certus
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Posted - 2015.02.26 18:55:54 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:Quote:Clones are manufactured using biomass. Modern methods allow pretty much any kind of biomass to be used. The best clones are constructed from human cadavers, but anything from animal carcasses to organic soups can be used. Wait, WHAT? Quote:Clone composition:
Certified human cadavers (Grade A+) [37%] Uncertified human cadavers (Grade A) [32%] Animal carcasses (Grade B) [23%] Organic materials (Grade C) [8%] 'Thankyou, benny' for selflessly linking lore articles which were clearly written by a giggling dev huffing some sort of narcotic. Goatman NotMyFault wrote:i can easily see why CCP dont care about this thread, or others for that matter, when some forumusers clogging up the post With bickering, ranting and no productive answers. That's not true. Devs pop up on the forums all the time to point and laugh at the playerbase. They're our elite trolls. You're not exactly helping promote a serious and constructive discussion with that name btw. I think this thread should be moved to F&I and be stickied along with the AFK cloaking and SP thread. Imagine what it'll look like in a year or two if it's left to run...
To make my char name a point of discussion is just childish.
And i agree it should be moved to F&I even tho the OP just asked what happend to WiS, the thread has evolved into more a F&I post yes. |
Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Warp to Cyno.
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Posted - 2015.02.26 18:58:09 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:'Thankyou, benny' for selflessly linking lore articles which were clearly written by a giggling dev huffing some sort of narcotic. oh it's no big deal don't even mention it |
Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
986
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Posted - 2015.02.27 03:19:36 -
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Sibyyl wrote:CCP should never, ever implement a feature that encourages someone not to undock. It runs counter to every other change they make to the game. Edit: Grr, spelling. Autocomplete why did you abandon me? I applaud the sentiment but I am less inclined to undock the more that time goes by. Jenn aSide wrote:When I'm playing EVE that ship ... is a TOOL, it's not 'me'. ... .... Some of us don't like being 'immersed' in a game and losing track of time or sense of self, we aren't running from real life, when we play a game (like EVE) it's a kind of mental excercise, not an 'escape'. That sounds like a very casual mentality for a non casual game.Commissar Kate wrote:If its made purely for social interaction 'immersion' then its a total waste of time when you should be socializing in space by blowing **** up anyway. . Why do I care about these other ships that are blowing up to repair them or helping ships to blow up other ships? Hint: Showing more of a "human" side to each other.Sibyyl wrote:Guess what, low hanging fruit is the most productive type of ideas to discuss for Character Creator. This is CCP's own suggestion. I don't want to tell you guys not to dream stuff up.. by all means do that.. but you are letting those get in the way of meaningful expectations in this space. Nothing stopping meaningful but a few small steps forward that make big changes would help in the short to mid-term.
CSM Ten movement for change.
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Dersen Lowery
Drinking in Station
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Posted - 2015.02.27 05:20:01 -
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Marsha Mallow wrote:Quote:Clones are manufactured using biomass. Modern methods allow pretty much any kind of biomass to be used. The best clones are constructed from human cadavers, but anything from animal carcasses to organic soups can be used. Wait, WHAT?
Yes, I remember CCP Falcon comparing them to spam at one point during one of these threads. So the paint has been passed around liberally for years.
Marsha Mallow wrote:I think this thread should be moved to F&I and be stickied along with the AFK cloaking and SP thread. Imagine what it'll look like in a year or two if it's left to run...
There's a parallel thread in Assembly Hall.
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Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2015.02.27 09:48:33 -
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Goatman NotMyFault wrote: With a vote from the majority of the active playerbase of EVE, they cant just ignore it, but they can ofcourse reject a proposal for "change". But at some point, if they keep rejecing and ignoring their playerbase voices, they will at some point end up in trouble.... (the jita incident)
Yes they can. They can do as they wish.
When you say the "Jita Incident", I assume you mean the dropping of subs, and not the nonsense that happened in Jita.
As far as I remember that was about the jeans memo, not about WiS
You also assume the vote would go your way. |
Goatman NotMyFault
Lubrication Industries Fortis Et Certus
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Posted - 2015.02.27 09:59:20 -
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Ma'Baker McCandless wrote:Goatman NotMyFault wrote: With a vote from the majority of the active playerbase of EVE, they cant just ignore it, but they can ofcourse reject a proposal for "change". But at some point, if they keep rejecing and ignoring their playerbase voices, they will at some point end up in trouble.... (the jita incident)
Yes they can. They can do as they wish. When you say the "Jita Incident", I assume you mean the dropping of subs, and not the nonsense that happened in Jita. As far as I remember that was about the jeans memo, not about WiS You also assume the vote would go your way.
Im well aware of that they can do what they want, but igoring the players the players too lobg, may have a bad effect in the long run.
I dont really care how the vote goes, my point of view is more objective which i want to see a more Complete Picture of what the playerbase desires and not what the forumusers belives is the best for the playerbase to desire
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Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2015.02.27 10:04:55 -
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Goatman NotMyFault wrote: Im well aware of that they can do what they want, but igoring the players the players too lobg, may have a bad effect in the long run.
I dont really care how the vote goes, my point of view is more objective which i want to see a more Complete Picture of what the playerbase desires and not what the forumusers belives is the best for the playerbase to desire
How long is too long? You seem to believe there is enough support to warrant a vote in the first place, and yet CCP have ignored that for three years.
Why don't you start polling users if you think that its a good idea? |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
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Posted - 2015.02.27 13:15:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:When I'm playing EVE that ship ... is a TOOL, it's not 'me'. ... .... Some of us don't like being 'immersed' in a game and losing track of time or sense of self, we aren't running from real life, when we play a game (like EVE) it's a kind of mental excercise, not an 'escape'. That sounds like a very casual mentality for a non casual game.
What does 'casual' or hardcore have to do with what i said? (rhetorical question, everyone knows the answer is 'nothing'). Being an 'immersion' player or a 'mental challenge' player is separate from how much or how seriously you play. |
Alexei Stryker
Steiners Erben
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Posted - 2015.02.27 21:44:22 -
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This is walking in station |
Dersen Lowery
Drinking in Station
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Posted - 2015.02.27 21:59:34 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:You know, I was going to make a lengthy post, posing the question as to why this pathetic, glorified tech demo has enraptured a minority of diehards who want it at all costs, including the potential death of it's parent game... The answer is pretty easy actually.
Indeed: Unlike with any of the games you've mentioned, CCP has promised this for EVE more or less from the get-go, and they continue to hint at it ("A Future Vision," "The Prophecy"). There have been two internal projects to deliver it, although both were during the bad old days when CCP had no development discipline, and when they suffered from a greatly exaggerated sense of their own invincibility.
They even tasked a team to develop a new kind of avatar gameplay (exploration in abandoned stations) and pronounced the resulting experiment a success.
It's not a priority now, for entirely understandable reasons. It may not ship in the current EVE client, also for understandable reasons. But EVE is not X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter. It's not Elite: Dangerous, either. Avatar gameplay in EVE has been promised for years. It shouldn't surprise anyone that there are players who'd like a delivery on that promise.
Nothing's impossible, right? I mean, they're refurbishing their game engine *and* looking into replacements for POSes *and* fixing sov. The "War on the Impossible" is over, and the work on updating the game is progressing nicely.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9982
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Posted - 2015.02.27 23:46:21 -
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Dersen Lowery wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:You know, I was going to make a lengthy post, posing the question as to why this pathetic, glorified tech demo has enraptured a minority of diehards who want it at all costs, including the potential death of it's parent game... The answer is pretty easy actually. Indeed: Unlike with any of the games you've mentioned, CCP has promised this for EVE more or less from the get-go, and they continue to hint at it ("A Future Vision," "The Prophecy"). There have been two internal projects to deliver it, although both were during the bad old days when CCP had no development discipline, and when they suffered from a greatly exaggerated sense of their own invincibility. They even tasked a team to develop a new kind of avatar gameplay (exploration in abandoned stations) and pronounced the resulting experiment a success. It's not a priority now, for entirely understandable reasons. It may not ship in the current EVE client, also for understandable reasons. But EVE is not X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter. It's not Elite: Dangerous, either. Avatar gameplay in EVE has been promised for years. It shouldn't surprise anyone that there are players who'd like a delivery on that promise. Nothing's impossible, right? I mean, they're refurbishing their game engine *and* looking into replacements for POSes *and* fixing sov. The "War on the Impossible" is over, and the work on updating the game is progressing nicely.
How do you have time to post, shouldn't you be enjoying that ocean front property you bought in Nebraska. I mean the guy you spoke to over the phone with the middle eastern accent who said his name is "Jeff" promised it, so it's got to be there right?
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.02.28 03:50:33 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:When I'm playing EVE that ship ... is a TOOL, it's not 'me'. ... .... Some of us don't like being 'immersed' in a game and losing track of time or sense of self, we aren't running from real life, when we play a game (like EVE) it's a kind of mental excercise, not an 'escape'. That sounds like a very casual mentality for a non casual game. What does 'casual' or hardcore have to do with what i said? (rhetorical question, everyone knows the answer is 'nothing'). Being an 'immersion' player or a 'mental challenge' player is separate from how much or how seriously you play. ... and so you make my point. Whether they have WiS mentality or not doesn't mean you need to come and trample over them.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
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Posted - 2015.02.28 04:08:05 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Whether they have WiS mentality or not doesn't mean you need to come and trample over them.
It definitely does, actually. Trying to restart a program that just about killed the game and left CCP with a half decade technical debt they will never repay is absolutely unconscionable.
But since Space Barbie cultists never seem to be stamped out entirely, eternal vigilance against this sedition must be exercised.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
750
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Posted - 2015.02.28 04:12:44 -
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I'm sure they'll get back to this non-feature after they:
Break SOV Fix SOV Nerf Ishtar Remove drone assist Buff Ishtar to make up for the drone assist removal Nerf Titans again Rebalance T3 cruisers Add T3 everything else to make up for nerfed T3 cruisers Remove bombs Add mines back in to make up for lost bombs New snowball launcher effects More types of fireworks 14 more wacky deployables Invent a laser that can write "Buy EvE Online" on the moon
...and player made stargates that go to Jove space
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
9986
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Posted - 2015.02.28 04:40:19 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:When I'm playing EVE that ship ... is a TOOL, it's not 'me'. ... .... Some of us don't like being 'immersed' in a game and losing track of time or sense of self, we aren't running from real life, when we play a game (like EVE) it's a kind of mental excercise, not an 'escape'. That sounds like a very casual mentality for a non casual game. What does 'casual' or hardcore have to do with what i said? (rhetorical question, everyone knows the answer is 'nothing'). Being an 'immersion' player or a 'mental challenge' player is separate from how much or how seriously you play. ... and so you make my point. Whether they have WiS mentality or not doesn't mean you need to come and trample over them.
Telling the truth and speaking about the reality of the situation isn't trampling over anyone. |
Kaarous Aldurald
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
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Posted - 2015.02.28 05:00:23 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: Telling the truth and speaking about the reality of the situation isn't trampling over anyone.
Except for the people who want to believe a lie.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
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Benny Ohu
Chaotic Tranquility Warp to Cyno.
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Posted - 2015.02.28 09:21:03 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Telling the truth and speaking about the reality of the situation isn't trampling over anyone. maybe if you were a particularly clumsy elephant with poor social skills trying to communicate using sign language to a crowd of a thousand inside a broom closet during an earthquake |
Varathius
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
158
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Posted - 2015.02.28 10:32:47 -
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Man, would have been nice to breach into someone else's quarter and throw him/her down into the abyss:
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Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Republic University Minmatar Republic
7066
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Posted - 2015.02.28 11:18:23 -
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I fell through the hangar while in Captain's Quarters.
Just remember, whenever you see a Carrier die to a Drifter... well....
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Jade Blackwind
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
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Posted - 2015.02.28 14:13:09 -
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Commissar Kate wrote:Unless you can shoot people in the face, make ISK, lose ISK and possibly effect flying in space stuff, I don't really see much of a point in WiS. And even then it's still kinda iffy.
If its made purely for social interaction 'immersion' then its a total waste of time when you should be socializing in space by blowing **** up anyway. Anything that slows you down for fitting ships, moving items around in your hangar, missions and market would be terrible.
I'm about ready to say the best thing to do is to just remove all traces of portraits and avatars in Eve so we never have to deal with this stuff ever again. Would be good for the new players too, they wont get the impression that there might be avatar play. While Commissar Kate here might be trolling here, the funny part is, that is exactly the course CCP has consciously taken. Except that the character portraits won't go away - they are still a minor source of vanity microtransactions from the few hapless barbie cultistsGäó who have to be milked before they are driven away from the game.
There is a certain core player base that CCP aims to satisfy, and that core thinks like this:
Jenn aSide wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:You know, I was going to make a lengthy post, posing the question as to why this pathetic, glorified tech demo has enraptured a minority of diehards who want it at all costs, including the potential death of it's parent game... The answer is pretty easy actually. The kinds of people enraptured by that the demo aren't exclusive to EVE, they are all over the place (in games and out. Whether it's the "I want infantry" crowd in Tanks, "I want Elementals, Aerospace Fighters, Tanks and Drop ships" in every MechWarrior game since the original, or "I want avatars with light sabers in this game, I don't care ifthe name is 'X-wing vs Tie Fighter!!'", they are always the same. They are the 'immersion' crowd and they want to 'live' their video games. They also tend to be adamant that this thing MUST happen in 'their' game so it did not (nd does not) matter that alternative exist. It doesn't matter to the infantry crowd that they can play Battlefield or CoD if they want combined arms.. It did not matter to the players of MechWarrior 3 and MechWarrior 4 that Starsiege (that at least had Tanks as well as mecha) existed, and to the WiS crowd, Star Trek Online and SWTOR might as well be rumors. No, THIS game must comply as well. Contrast them with people like me who prefer those kinds of 'minimalist' games of just spaceships (and spreadsheets)or just tanks or just mechs or just X-wings and Tie fighters. We'll never see eye to eye because our fundamental gaming wants and needs are different. EVE as it is is enough for me. Since it's a facet of a specific kind of unrealistically optimistic personality, it's not something that argument or reason can address. CCP could do an Incarna II that actually killed are seriously wounded the game and the WiS crowd would cling to "they didn't do it right" rather than admit "ok, it was a mistake to try to tack this kind of thing onto an old game". Quote: And then I realized that Chris Roberts has made a fortune scamming exactly that kind of person.
Best of luck to all of you.
Many businesses do that. Alcohol , tobacco, fast food etc etc are all directly targeted at the must susceptible, and most gullible. Beyond that, companies and real life scammers make fortunes preying on the elderly who start to lose their sense of caution as they age. Game companies (intentionally or unintentionally) design games to cater to the most unrealistic expectations of players, this is why Chris Roberts is rolling in the doe for something that hasn't been produced yet. This is also why an Icelandic game maker could promise a 'living breathing sci-fi universe' 12 years ago and yet only deliver on 'spaceships and spreadsheets' but still be making money off the backs of....optimistic...people who believe "WiS is right around the corner" LOL.
Period.
The line here, like in many other places (and games since Ultima Online) is not pro-Wis and anti-WiS.
It's pro-immersion and anti-immersion.
And CCP has long ago made the choice.
So please stop with the WiS threads already. Leave the undead horse alone to graze on the astral fields of Equestria. Don't you all have more important things to do, like comparing spreadsheets, padding killboards and hyperdunking for tears? By not undocking, you are depriving people of content!
Good luck, CCP.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.02.28 15:04:48 -
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They had a video like this, where some guy is ordering a strike on a planet with Dust players and then he gets assassinated by someone in his quarters.
It could be another betrayal mechanic. I support this.
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Sibyyl
Gallente Federation
23520
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Posted - 2015.02.28 15:13:30 -
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Jade Blackwind wrote: The line here, like in many other places (and games since Ultima Online) is not pro-Wis and anti-WiS.
It's pro-immersion and anti-immersion.
I had described a bit earlier why WIS would be detrimental for my own personal immersion.
I get very deep in concentration when I'm flying around in a hostile situation, or if I'm doing a roam and someone is teaching me how to fight. Maybe it is the wrong definition, but I find myself with total tunnel vision during those times and hyperaware of what is happening around my ship. I am.. immersed.
Rush to danger, wind up nowhere
Sabriz for CSM go go go
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Tyanshe
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.02.28 15:32:53 -
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Vote for CSM candidates that support WiS. Too bad most of the well known candidates are firmly against. |
Commissar Kate
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.28 15:44:33 -
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Jade Blackwind wrote:Commissar Kate wrote:Unless you can shoot people in the face, make ISK, lose ISK and possibly effect flying in space stuff, I don't really see much of a point in WiS. And even then it's still kinda iffy.
If its made purely for social interaction 'immersion' then its a total waste of time when you should be socializing in space by blowing **** up anyway. Anything that slows you down for fitting ships, moving items around in your hangar, missions and market would be terrible.
I'm about ready to say the best thing to do is to just remove all traces of portraits and avatars in Eve so we never have to deal with this stuff ever again. Would be good for the new players too, they wont get the impression that there might be avatar play. While Commissar Kate here might be trolling here, the funny part is, that is exactly the course CCP has consciously taken. Except that the character portraits won't go away - they are still a minor source of vanity microtransactions from the few hapless barbie cultistsGäó who have to be milked before they are driven away from the game.
Was not trolling here.
I was gonna say something else about the subject but **** it, its not worth it.
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