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embrel
BamBam Inc.
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Posted - 2015.07.30 18:27:04 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:the type willing to see a good thing that works ruined because of an unrealistic and greedy belief in 'what could be'.
sounds quite conservative.
why develop jets when we have propellers that work perfectly fine?
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
12004
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Posted - 2015.07.30 18:30:00 -
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embrel wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:the type willing to see a good thing that works ruined because of an unrealistic and greedy belief in 'what could be'.
sounds quite conservative. why develop jets when we have propellers that work perfectly fine?
Why develop the jets when your spaceship already has warp engines?
And to keep it WiS related, why develop LEGS when you have warp engines? If you want to walk around, why not go outside lol? |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6452
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Posted - 2015.07.30 18:48:55 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:You're supposedly a grown man, you ARE your arguments. Your arguments are wrong, and they come from your core beliefs...which are also wrong btw. Lol, my arguments are right to me, you just disagree with them. That doesn't make them wrong. And that's not where I mean you attack the person, I mean when you start on directly insulting people which on most occasions you do.
Jenn aSide wrote:If you dind't care, you wouldn't have mentioned it. Classic. I mentioned it in an attempt to get you back on topic, but it seems you've decided against that.
Jenn aSide wrote:Things aren't right or wrong because of what i want, they are right or wrong because they are right or wrong ie based on their own merits and history. The reason you can't see that is because you have a personal 'culture' of spinning things to match your core belief (instead of matching your core belief to the reality, no matter whether you agree with it or not). In other words, you're a natural politician, I just happen to despise most politicians. Yes, they are right and wrong based on their merits. Wrong is having an entire development team focussed on one feature for a long period of time. CCP learned that and now run shorter development cycles. You're extrapolating that to mean "Wrong is WiS" which it isn't. The existence and length of this thread and countless others on the subject shows that there's a real desire to see WiS continue. The fact that CCP haven't dropped the CQ out is a clear sign they aren't dropping the tech from the engine.
Jenn aSide wrote:Lastly, I don't care whether you get out or not...though to use your term, it would be nice lol. But that isn't going to stop my general opposition to your type (in game, and in life in gneral), the type willing to see a good thing that works ruined because of an unrealistic and greedy belief in 'what could be'. You don't even know what my type is. You know literally nothing about me. You've got your own ideas based on what you've made up thinking you are reading between the lines. You've stated before that you consider me a SJW for example, yet if you were to suggest that to anyone that actually knows me they'd laugh in your face. I don't have a general opposition to "people like you", I take each situation as it comes and I don't presume to know what people are like based on limited views from their forum posts.
And I don;t want a good thing ruined. I just see no problem with one good thing being added to another good thing to attract a more varied playerbase. You would seemingly be happy to see EVE restricted to it's current dwindling playerbase until it ceases to exist.
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Aralyn Cormallen
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
1226
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Posted - 2015.07.30 18:54:49 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:Quote:My 'side' is winning, and has won the war, That does not mean you are fighting on the right side. Actually it does. War doesn't determine who is right, it determines who is left And who will be leaving too. Remember that.
However, you have to bear in mind that arguement cuts both ways. As much as your convinced that failing to move in this direction will kill EvE, others of us are convinced that it wont survive another attempt at something that very near killed it last time. You can't call Jenn out as "threatening the life of the game" when in his eyes thats exactly what you and Lucas are doing. |
embrel
BamBam Inc.
250
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Posted - 2015.07.30 19:20:18 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:embrel wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:the type willing to see a good thing that works ruined because of an unrealistic and greedy belief in 'what could be'.
sounds quite conservative. why develop jets when we have propellers that work perfectly fine? If you want to walk around, why not go outside lol?
because the door is closed, of course... |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
12005
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Posted - 2015.07.30 19:21:18 -
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Aralyn Cormallen wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:Quote:My 'side' is winning, and has won the war, That does not mean you are fighting on the right side. Actually it does. War doesn't determine who is right, it determines who is left And who will be leaving too. Remember that. However, you have to bear in mind that arguement cuts both ways. As much as your convinced that failing to move in this direction will kill EvE, others of us are convinced that it wont survive another attempt at something that very near killed it last time. You can't call Jenn out as "threatening the life of the game" when in his eyes thats exactly what you and Lucas are doing.
Well said as usual.
To believe as they do, you have to ignore history. I'm not trying to be mean to the wonderful people at CCP when I say that almost EVERYTHING they've done that isn't spaceships has failed or fizzled, I'm simply stating an observable fact. CCP has had 2 successes, the Danger Game and EVE. WoD was cancelled , DUST has been lack luster, Legion isn't even mentioned and many in-EVE projects that deviated from the Core of EVE (Incarna including EVA exploration, Atmospheric Flight, Planetary interaction, the EVE Dust link) failed or fizzled.
But somehow these people believe that the key to success in this case is to do more and more of what failed? This is why I mention the word greed, because these people are so greedy for a certain entertainment experience that they cannot see the dangers inherent in what they are trying to manipulate CCP into reconsidering. CCP stopped doing this WiS stuff for good reasons.
It's irresponsible. If CCP does that and it's a big success against all odds, that's great , but unlikely. If it (a renewed push to tack on Avatar gameplay to this old game) fails and drags the company down, it's not Lucas Kell looking for another job. Side note, this is why in real life I tend to not suggest things about what other people should do, even if they ask, at least without the qualifier "This is why I would do, you ain't me though" |
Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
12005
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Posted - 2015.07.30 19:22:06 -
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embrel wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:embrel wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:the type willing to see a good thing that works ruined because of an unrealistic and greedy belief in 'what could be'.
sounds quite conservative. why develop jets when we have propellers that work perfectly fine? If you want to walk around, why not go outside lol? because the door is closed, of course...
If you are being held prisoner in real life, get off the computer and dial 911 or whatever you country calls it
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2139
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Posted - 2015.07.30 19:32:25 -
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No need to be melodramatic. CCP just needs some devs that are good at making interiors to work on the station. It doesn't have to be announced, there can be all the usual song and dance about the usual developments until one day, "Surprise! We made stuff!"
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Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6452
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Posted - 2015.07.30 20:51:10 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:To believe as they do, you have to ignore history. And to believe as you do you have to ignore the fact that CCP have changed their entire approach. With the new development processes there's no reason to assume that working towards WiS wouldn't be achievable, especially when you consider the only reason it didn't get off the ground last time was angry screaming overly entitled children.
I get it though. Other viewpoints aren't valid and what CCP should do is cater to just people like you, which they have done for years while their sub numbers continue to drop.
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Borascus
649
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Posted - 2015.07.30 21:10:34 -
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We're all here talking about what CCP hf. should do in relation to something they tabled as something they were doing.
It's their call, we're saying we want it.
Others are saying they own the direction CCP hf. wants to go, and any deviation will be the end, it wont be. If the content was possible with the steep climb to a VR game in Valkyrie, they'd work on two things at once.
We're still saying we want it, and others are still saying CCP wont.
CCP hf. should avoid the peaceful slumber and resting on laurels approach to dedication and divert some of their excess capital towards new features (drifter incursions are a new feature - one that was discussed openly amongst players and devs alike some time ago).
Hell, I'll probably let my subscription lapse resub and lapse again. When/If WiS is released a great number of people will rejoin to see what it's like. New players that are put off from EVE will also subscribe to see what it is like.
Telling us that it is not worth CCP hf attracting new players is like telling Starbucks to limit their number of customers per day, because coffee is special.
The more people CCP hf. can get into the game the more people there are to form coalitions, corps, fleets, sales on the ingame markets - Health! |
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Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
28
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Posted - 2015.07.30 21:16:18 -
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I actually stood in the captains cabin on one occassion, then I went back to my ship. |
Cancel Align NOW
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
530
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Posted - 2015.07.30 21:16:41 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Misconceptions here:
1 that CCP allocated resources from EvE to WIS depriving EvE of resources.
2 that a poor implementation on an idea means the idea was bad.
3 that the "majority of players didn't want WIS"
While you may be right on items 2 and 3, item 1 is not a misconception, CCP blew at least 18 months of development time on WIS which would have been far better spent to fix what was broken in the base game of FIS. People wanted the WIS they had been promised, not what was delivered. Perhaps however that's dependent on 1 whether CCP allocated additional resources 2 whether those resources would hav been diverted to dust instead of WIS My experience with project management would suggest it's likely additional resources were acquired to work on WIS and had WIS not been on the agenda those resources likely would not have been obtained in the first place. CCP might operate differently so I might be wrong.
You do not remember the 18 months thread naught? Soon tm. |
Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
28
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Posted - 2015.07.30 21:22:19 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:To believe as they do, you have to ignore history. And to believe as you do you have to ignore the fact that CCP have changed their entire approach. With the new development processes there's no reason to assume that working towards WiS wouldn't be achievable, especially when you consider the only reason it didn't get off the ground last time was angry screaming overly entitled children. I get it though. Other viewpoints aren't valid and what CCP should do is cater to just people like you, which they have done for years while their sub numbers continue to drop.
There seems to be a lot of work still needed to be done to it. Even the character movement didn't seem that great to me.
Real question is, is it really worth the effort. |
Lucas Kell
Internet Terrorists SpaceMonkey's Alliance
6452
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Posted - 2015.07.30 22:00:30 -
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I imagine there would be one for each station type, of which there aren't too many. With CCPs development cycle I imagine they would make one of each race for all stations of that race, iterate upon those until they are working well, then over time create different versions for different type and owners of station (with NPC corp ownership colours and logos applied dynamically much like skins).
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Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
28
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Posted - 2015.07.30 22:19:51 -
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Lucas Kell wrote:I imagine there would be one for each station type, of which there aren't too many. With CCPs development cycle I imagine they would make one of each race for all stations of that race, iterate upon those until they are working well, then over time create different versions for different type and owners of station (with NPC corp ownership colours and logos applied dynamically much like skins).
Ok, so likely to do it in phases. Which is possible spread the cost as long as people don't get too critical of it as it would be a work in progress.
What would the stations be used for, meeting place for clones, gambling maybe, maybe a bar as well.
How many would use the stations other than sitting in ships or the captains cabin?
I think the main point is, if they put all the effort into creating the station environments would enough people actually use them. Or is it a case of, seems like a good idea but might not actually be in practice.
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
3880
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Posted - 2015.07.30 22:22:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:No need to be melodramatic. CCP just needs some devs that are good at making interiors to work on the station. It doesn't have to be announced, there can be all the usual song and dance about the usual developments until one day, "Surprise! We made stuff!"
I bet they know where they can find some, even with Carbon expertise...
73% of EVE characters stay in high security space. 62% of EVE subscribers barely PvP. 40% of all new accounts just "level up their Ravens". Probably that's why PvE content in EVE Online is sub-par and CCP is head over heels for PvP...
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
13886
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Posted - 2015.07.30 22:59:40 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote: My experience with project management
He's added a new skill, folks. Pretty diverse education for a bar bouncer. I have three college degrees now, and I don't have anything close to all the skills he's fabricated for himself.
Do you have your PMP (prounounced pimp) certificate? Which testing center did you get it at? Did you read the PMBOK, or take a class for it?
Oh, and you're hilariously wrong. Good project management experts don't think that you can just generate development resources and personnel out of thin air, like you're claiming. Your stakeholders would have shat themselves on the spot if you proposed such a thing.
Oh, and speaking of project management. You are an excellent argument for McGregor's Theory X. Just saying.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
13886
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Posted - 2015.07.30 23:02:53 -
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Cancel Align NOW wrote: You do not remember the 18 months thread naught? Soon tm.
Of course he doesn't remember it. He might claim to be a launch player, but he's actually an illegal character sale from a little while ago. When he first popped up, he was such a noob that he was flying shield tanked Proteus ships so he could fit more mag stabs. I am not even kidding.
He doesn't remember it because he was never there.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2139
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Posted - 2015.07.30 23:06:58 -
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Avvy wrote:... What would the stations be used for, ...? As I said a long way back in this thread, a relatively simple addition would be inviting people into your Captain's Quarters. Sure, you won't do much but at least you can "see" each other while talking. Some visual stimulus while you wait for someone to think, speak and or type.
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High Sec needs a stepping stone to other spaces, where they can grow
Fozzie SOV is treating a symptom.
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Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
29
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Posted - 2015.07.30 23:16:23 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Avvy wrote:... What would the stations be used for, ...? As I said a long way back in this thread, a relatively simple addition would be inviting people into your Captain's Quarters. Sure, you won't do much but at least you can "see" each other while talking. Some visual stimulus while you wait for someone to think, speak and or type.
Now at least that is something worth considering, certainly before the rest of it.
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
2348
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Posted - 2015.07.31 02:00:26 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: My experience with project management
He's added a new skill, folks. Pretty diverse education for a bar bouncer. I have three college degrees now, and I don't have anything close to all the skills he's fabricated for himself. Do you have your PMP (prounounced pimp) certificate? Which testing center did you get it at? Did you read the PMBOK, or take a class for it? Oh, and you're hilariously wrong. Good project management experts don't think that you can just generate development resources and personnel out of thin air, like you're claiming. Your stakeholders would have shat themselves on the spot if you proposed such a thing. Oh, and speaking of project management. You are an excellent argument for McGregor's Theory X. Just saying. Everyone should be a project manager. Useful life skill. One allocates and deallocates resources as they are needed / no longer required. Moving less than ideal staff and already allocated funds from one project to another is not good management.
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Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
533
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Posted - 2015.07.31 03:26:10 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: My experience with project management
He's added a new skill, folks. Pretty diverse education for a bar bouncer. I have three college degrees now, and I don't have anything close to all the skills he's fabricated for himself. Do you have your PMP (prounounced pimp) certificate? Which testing center did you get it at? Did you read the PMBOK, or take a class for it? Oh, and you're hilariously wrong. Good project management experts don't think that you can just generate development resources and personnel out of thin air, like you're claiming. Your stakeholders would have shat themselves on the spot if you proposed such a thing. Oh, and speaking of project management. You are an excellent argument for McGregor's Theory X. Just saying. Everyone should be a project manager. Useful life skill. One allocates and deallocates resources as they are needed / no longer required. Moving less than ideal staff and already allocated funds from one project to another is not good management.
Swimming is a life skill. Project management is a career path. Managing one's personal affairs does not qualify one to call themselves a project manager any more than managing my cash on a night out on the town qualifies me to call myself an accoutant, or when I cook dinner to call myself a chef, or when I cross the road a safety and health inspector.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium. CODE.
13890
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Posted - 2015.07.31 03:43:57 -
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Cancel Align NOW wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: My experience with project management
He's added a new skill, folks. Pretty diverse education for a bar bouncer. I have three college degrees now, and I don't have anything close to all the skills he's fabricated for himself. Do you have your PMP (prounounced pimp) certificate? Which testing center did you get it at? Did you read the PMBOK, or take a class for it? Oh, and you're hilariously wrong. Good project management experts don't think that you can just generate development resources and personnel out of thin air, like you're claiming. Your stakeholders would have shat themselves on the spot if you proposed such a thing. Oh, and speaking of project management. You are an excellent argument for McGregor's Theory X. Just saying. Everyone should be a project manager. Useful life skill. One allocates and deallocates resources as they are needed / no longer required. Moving less than ideal staff and already allocated funds from one project to another is not good management. Swimming is a life skill. Project management is a career path. Managing one's personal affairs does not qualify one to call themselves a project manager any more than managing my cash on a night out on the town qualifies me to call myself an accoutant, or when I cook dinner to call myself a chef, or when I cross the road a safety and health inspector.
He'll tell us next that balancing his checkbook makes him the next best thing to a CPA.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
2348
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Posted - 2015.07.31 04:11:54 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Cancel Align NOW wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote: My experience with project management
He's added a new skill, folks. Pretty diverse education for a bar bouncer. I have three college degrees now, and I don't have anything close to all the skills he's fabricated for himself. Do you have your PMP (prounounced pimp) certificate? Which testing center did you get it at? Did you read the PMBOK, or take a class for it? Oh, and you're hilariously wrong. Good project management experts don't think that you can just generate development resources and personnel out of thin air, like you're claiming. Your stakeholders would have shat themselves on the spot if you proposed such a thing. Oh, and speaking of project management. You are an excellent argument for McGregor's Theory X. Just saying. Everyone should be a project manager. Useful life skill. One allocates and deallocates resources as they are needed / no longer required. Moving less than ideal staff and already allocated funds from one project to another is not good management. Swimming is a life skill. Project management is a career path. Managing one's personal affairs does not qualify one to call themselves a project manager any more than managing my cash on a night out on the town qualifies me to call myself an accoutant, or when I cook dinner to call myself a chef, or when I cross the road a safety and health inspector. He'll tell us next that balancing his checkbook makes him the next best thing to a CPA. This thread is not about my personal life. Having said that my philosophy is life long learning. I am multi-skilled because I believe studying should continue throughout your life. I have advanced qualifications in IT, which of course always includes courses in project management, as well as law (which also included a course of project management - had to plan a public event including using gant, flow and PERT charts and pm software) and education quals. I'm currently studying an associate degree in Islamic studies and intend on supplementing that with sociology.
However back to the topic. It's likely CCP had ongoing development planned and budgeted and additional projects such as WIS were also planned and budgeted on a needs basis. It would have been pretty stupid to transfer developers from EvE to WIS given the two projects are completely different. Would have been much more efficient and problem proofed had they contracted additional staff as required for each stage of the development process.
Maybe that wasn't how they did it but unless you can show a official CCP post stating they moved EvE developers from scheduled EvE development, didn't replace them with other developers and used them on WIS and also used EvE allocated funds for WIS funding then you're simply making up shite.
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Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.07.31 05:19:54 -
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Quote:As of August 17th, there will be about nine teams working on Incarna. Of those, seven are on loan from other projects - to which they will return once Incarna is launched - and the remainder are EVE development teams. The EVE teams can work on both Incarna and in-space features, but they are assigned to Incarna for now. Actually one of the teams is spending one and a half releases on Incarna, the other about three releases. So the resource cost from EVE is very contained while the size and impact of the feature will be massive.
That quote is CCP Zulu from this blog |
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Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
534
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Posted - 2015.07.31 05:35:18 -
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The massive feature Zulu is talking up, got downplayed just prior to incarna's release. Like many things involving CCP it became phase one. Like many others when my graphics card running temperature climbed dramatically in that little room with a locked door to nowhere, I was bitterly disappointed with work that nine teams had done over a period of 18 months. |
Infinity Ziona
Cloakers
2348
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Posted - 2015.07.31 05:41:39 -
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Cancel Align NOW wrote:Quote:As of August 17th, there will be about nine teams working on Incarna. Of those, seven are on loan from other projects - to which they will return once Incarna is launched - and the remainder are EVE development teams. The EVE teams can work on both Incarna and in-space features, but they are assigned to Incarna for now. Actually one of the teams is spending one and a half releases on Incarna, the other about three releases. So the resource cost from EVE is very contained while the size and impact of the feature will be massive. That quote is CCP Zulu from this blog WIS not Incarna. Aside from WIS Incarna included updates to graphics, ships, modules, UI, drones, missions.... it's a very long list
incarna patch notes
CCP Fozzie GǣWe can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGǪ in null sec anomalies. Gǣ*
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Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.07.31 05:43:16 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Cancel Align NOW wrote:Quote:As of August 17th, there will be about nine teams working on Incarna. Of those, seven are on loan from other projects - to which they will return once Incarna is launched - and the remainder are EVE development teams. The EVE teams can work on both Incarna and in-space features, but they are assigned to Incarna for now. Actually one of the teams is spending one and a half releases on Incarna, the other about three releases. So the resource cost from EVE is very contained while the size and impact of the feature will be massive. That quote is CCP Zulu from this blog WIS not Incarna. Aside from WIS Incarna included updates to graphics, ships, modules, UI, drones, missions.... it's a very long list incarna patch notes
1. Surely you are trolling. The walking in stations expansion for Eve Online was named Incarna.
Quote:Captain's Quarters
A new 3D user interface has been built to support interaction with Captain's Quarters features. The station hangar has been replaced with Captain's Quarters. Capsuleers can now, for the first time, step out of their pod and stretch their legs in their personal quarters. Please check out this dev blog by CCP Zulu for more information. Captain's Quarters include the hangar balcony, where one can enjoy a gorgeous view of one's active ship in the hangar. The main screen provides information about things happening in the EVE universe, including sovereignty changes, the Interstellar Correspondents News Feed, incursions and more - stay tuned. The Captain's Quarters have tools that will make life for the capsuleer much easier, including the agent finder, corporation recruitment, planetary interaction, character re-customization and ship fitting. A new camera system was built from the ground up to support avatar movement and various state transitions. An extensive avatar movement scheme using Natural Motion's Morpheme has been developed to control your character. This includes an eight directional movement scheme accessible via keyboard controls, click-to-move and mouse movement. Separate keyboard shortcuts for Captain's Quarters and flying-inGÇôspace, as well as a number of options for customizing the walking-in-station camera, have been added to the ESC menu.
2. How did you miss that?
3. I don't like being trolled locator agents activated. |
Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
873
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Posted - 2015.07.31 05:50:11 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote: However back to the topic. It's likely CCP had ongoing development planned and budgeted and additional projects such as WIS were also planned and budgeted on a needs basis. It would have been pretty stupid to transfer developers from EvE to WIS given the two projects are completely different. Would have been much more efficient and problem proofed had they contracted additional staff as required for each stage of the development process.
Maybe that wasn't how they did it but unless you can show a official CCP post stating they moved EvE developers from scheduled EvE development, didn't replace them with other developers and used them on WIS and also used EvE allocated funds for WIS funding then you're simply making up shite.
They did both. I believe it was Zulu who was in charge at the time and gave the figure of 18 months of very sparse development of FiS in favor of WiS. Obviously this means they had most of the company working on WiS.
They also hired on new employees specifically for WiS. They also pulled developers in Atlanta off of WoD to help work on WiS. Also, I believe the underlying tech for WiS was the same as for WoD and was developed by the Atlanta team.
What exactly the rest of the Icelandic team was contributing to WiS then, I have no idea... since the engine was developed by Atlanta and 3 of the 4 CQs were said to have been completed by Atlanta... but apparently the rest of the Iceland team was too busy working on it to get around to FiS issues. A couple ships were rebalanced I think, and some other smaller things were done, but other than that, :18 months:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Depends who all is left there. Might just be White Wolf publishing people now. With the WoD MMO cancelled they don't need game devs there anymore. And you know, there was that big lay off in 2011, a bigger lay off in 2014, with at least one smaller set of lay offs in between. Plus whoever decided to quit. None of those people are going to want to have anything to do with CCP again. There seems to be a lot of butthurt, judging from that hilarious "psshhhh!" article, and a conversation I had with someone who used to work there. There are the Glassdoor reviews as well. |
Raven Pirkibo
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Rain6637 wrote:We're getting WiS and it's called Legion. It's been sneaked under everyone's noses. Huzzah
To be honest Project Legion is going to have a hell of a lot more than just walking in stations for Eve players, it will be a full FPS game in it's own right that will be the successor to Dust and part of the greater Eve universe. |
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