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Vector Symian
0 Fear
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Posted - 2015.02.14 22:31:09 -
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Righto Bros this is my opinion as to why we will no longer see massive eve battles
Theories are
1- Too many blues
2- more and more MMOs flooding the market (they'll come back but some peeps may never see eve in the first place)
3- A large scale battle is crap if it hasn't got titans and now the titan is crap and there really only for appearances
4- a tendency of wielding cheap ships this is occurring in All secs
5- pilots in high sec are no longer even interested in null or wh space and this space in increasingly going silent
summery
we didn't treat our noobs well and now we have a power vacuum and we are drawing in far to many accountants who are not interested in big war unless they profit
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Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light
288
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Posted - 2015.02.14 22:48:29 -
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1. False. The blue doughnut is a myth.
2. False. EVE has survived the worst years of MMO competition and todays market is not as crowded as it has been at its worst.
3. False. Supers breaking the rock-paper-scissors of regular ship balancing is not interesting.
4. False. The majority has always preferred cost effective ships and the people who have flown bling before do so today as well.
5. False. Long term highsec carebears have never been interested in playing EVE. Newbies are still being rescued away from highsec the same as before. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
8915
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Posted - 2015.02.14 22:51:36 -
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Vector Symian wrote: 4- a tendency of wielding cheap ships this is occurring in All secs
Haha haha.....no.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy Caldari State
615
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Posted - 2015.02.14 22:52:34 -
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Vector Symian wrote:Righto Bros this is my opinion as to why we will no longer see massive eve battles
Theories are
1- Too many blues
2- more and more MMOs flooding the market (they'll come back but some peeps may never see eve in the first place)
3- A large scale battle is crap if it hasn't got titans and now the titan is crap and there really only for appearances
4- a tendency of wielding cheap ships this is occurring in All secs
5- pilots in high sec are no longer even interested in null or wh space and this space in increasingly going silent
summery
we didn't treat our noobs well and now we have a power vacuum and we are drawing in far to many accountants who are not interested in big war unless they profit
Wish to add? 1- It's human nature to make allies for mutual protection 2- meh, most of them are trying to be WoW or are f2p/p2w 3- Never been in one, will refrain from commenting 4- Why use a hideously expensive ship when cheap ones are just as effective when used en masse 5- I blame some of the people in NPC corps for the first part, there's quite a few that actively discourage people from venturing out of hisec.
Quote:we didn't treat our noobs well Noobs or newbs? Noobs aren't worth bothering with for the most part.
On the other hand, newbs have never had it so good tbh. The existing social groups in the NPC corps are going to benefit immensely from social corps in terms of visibility, their leaders are often alts of seasoned players from all over Eve, they actively recruit newbs and have a finger in virtually every pie in Eve.
Quote:and now we have a power vacuum and we are drawing in far to many accountants who are not interested in big war unless they profit Resources, and the resulting profits, have always been a driving force behind warfare, both in Eve and the real world; no change there.
ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries"
NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
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Vector Symian
0 Fear
411
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Posted - 2015.02.14 22:59:31 -
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Godfrey Silvarna wrote:1. False. The blue doughnut is a myth.
2. False. EVE has survived the worst years of MMO competition and todays market is not as crowded as it has been at its worst.
3. False. Supers breaking the rock-paper-scissors of regular ship balancing is not interesting.
4. False. The majority has always preferred cost effective ships and the people who have flown bling before do so today as well.
5. False. Long term highsec carebears have never been interested in playing EVE. Newbies are still being rescued away from highsec the same as before.
Thankyou my reply..
1- this is a direct compliant I hear constantly so where their smoke...
2- with the creation of some highly publicised scifi mmos they may indeed be facing some stiff competition less quantity more the quality.
3- your opinion
4- correct -I retract that point
5- that is a lot of people that you are making assumptions about and what is your definition of "playing eve"? |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
8915
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Posted - 2015.02.14 23:05:19 -
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yeah, actually we treat the new guys fairly well, they just need to prove that they aren't complete bell-ends first.
happily we know how to find out, by shooting them in the face.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Concord Guy's Cousin
State War Academy Caldari State
617
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Posted - 2015.02.14 23:28:17 -
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Vector Symian wrote:1- this is a direct compliant I hear constantly so where their smoke...
2- with the creation of some highly publicised scifi mmos they may indeed be facing some stiff competition less quantity more the quality.
1- The "blue donut" members are an uneasy alliance of powerful entities, I believe the term is "frenemies". They'll happily shoot each other in the face until someone else shows up for them to shoot at; that is why it's a myth. The smoke you see is nothing more than sour grapes and tinfoilhattery for the most part.
2- I don't see Elite Dangerous or Star Citizen making much of an impact tbh. Sure we'll lose some players, probably the ones that Eve doesn't really appeal to but who play because there's nothing else currently like it in scope or setting, but the only thing they really have in common with Eve is the setting.
I'll definitely be playing Elite Dangerous for nostalgia reasons, and probably Star Citizen too; I'll still be playing Eve though, and I'm sure I'm not alone in that.
ISD LackOfFaith ~ "Your Catalyst was a hamster, and your Retriever smelt of elderberries"
NPC Forum Alt, because reasons.
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Serene Repose
2241
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Posted - 2015.02.14 23:41:20 -
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The going complaint is the SOV procedures make it impossible to conquer CFC. The story goin' roun' is CCP's workin' on the SOV so ASAP after this the CFC will be O-U-T.
Treason never prospers. What is the reason?
Why, if it prospers, none dare call it "treason."
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Pok Nibin
Filial Pariahs
491
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Posted - 2015.02.14 23:50:50 -
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I don't see how this is possible since the Goonwaffles have a website and a lot of cool guys with great names they made up themselves. I hear one of them's a lawyer. Isn't CFC "Cain"tucky Fried Chicken?
How do you stop a lawyer from drowining?
Shoot him before he hits the water.
Dont fight it; Rejoin your Amarrian patriarchs; You know you want to.
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Aiwha
Infinite Point Nulli Secunda
801
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Posted - 2015.02.15 00:11:19 -
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Titans are a fist, and like any other fist, you need a good target to hit it with. Titan's DD caps. That is all they do. That is all they need to do. The only reason nobody drops them is because the two major power blocs are still in the midst of a super cold war, and we're going to keep building them till something ignites and we dogpile.
As for "cheap ships" nullsec has pirate battleships and T3 cruisers as pretty much the standard hammer drop these days. Wormhole pilots continue to **** faction and officer T3's and carriers, lowsec duders careen around in their navy slicers and dramiels like its going out of style, and highsec station humpers have always had the rule "go bling or go home". I have no idea where you're getting the idea that nobody flies expensive stuff anymore.
EVE's not perfect, but right now its on as solid ground as its ever been.
I want to be your representative for CSMX!
Please EVEmail me with any quesitons, comments or concerns you have about myself or EVE.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
33087
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Posted - 2015.02.15 01:20:09 -
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By design:
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/long-distance-travel-changes-inbound/
Not only mentioned indirectly in that devblog, but directly in some of the links that page contains.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Kinis Deren
StarHunt Mordus Angels
436
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Posted - 2015.02.15 10:59:07 -
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2014 could be classified as the "Year of Yawn", as far as sov null sec goes, and it seems to be spilling into 2015 as well.
Undoubtedly, one of the problems for sov null sec is that the min/max crowd have used standings, NIPs & NAPs to reduce risk to a bare minimum whilst maximising income streams (PVE and moon goo extraction in particular). CCP have finally recognized sov warfare and sov null is sick and has begun a course of treatment to cure it of it's woes. The Pheobe phase I sov overhaul (jump drive nerf) addressed the issue of almost risk free/instantaneous travel across New Eden (power projection) but more needs to be done for sure.
I suspect CCP is intending to make similar far reaching changes to the EHP structure mountain and there have been suggestions of an occupancy based sov mechanic also. Will the latter be enough to make sov null a rich and vibrant PVP game enviroment? I doubt it to be honest. Until the n+1 issue is addressed (i.e blue'ing up 40000+ players) then the coward min/max coalitions will continue to be the norm. Personally, I'd like to see a blue tax that exponentially scales with the number of blue capsuleers an alliance has.
Now it has to be said that null sec isn't completely devoid of pew pew. The game reserve of Catch appears to offer the bored coalitions plently of no consequence combat opportunities. Additionally, there are several small independent alliances (typically based in NPC null) that have a fantastic time mounting geurilla attacks against foes that far outnumber them. |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
2345
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Posted - 2015.02.15 11:02:10 -
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OP not bothering to get off his ass and raise up an army of his own is the reason. Where's UAE and his surplus stock of pitchforks when you need him?
No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff | No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that.
Sabriz for CSM
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Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji.
1909
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Posted - 2015.02.15 11:42:19 -
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Posting in a stealth eve is dying thread. |
Xavier Holtzman
Imploding Turtles Rising in Outerspace Gravity Fatal Ascension
263
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Posted - 2015.02.15 12:52:15 -
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Vector Symian wrote:Godfrey Silvarna wrote:1. False. The blue doughnut is a myth.
2. False. EVE has survived the worst years of MMO competition and todays market is not as crowded as it has been at its worst.
3. False. Supers breaking the rock-paper-scissors of regular ship balancing is not interesting.
4. False. The majority has always preferred cost effective ships and the people who have flown bling before do so today as well.
5. False. Long term highsec carebears have never been interested in playing EVE. Newbies are still being rescued away from highsec the same as before. Thankyou my reply.. 1- this is a direct compliant I hear constantly so where their smoke... 2- with the creation of some highly publicised scifi mmos they may indeed be facing some stiff competition less quantity more the quality. 3- your opinion 4- correct -I retract that point 5- that is a lot of people that you are making assumptions about and what is your definition of "playing eve"?
1 - Hearsay
2 - There is nothing that can compare with EVE. Elite Dangerous is cool, but nothing like EVE. And Star Citizen ... well, I don't think I need to explain to anyone about that vaporware.
3 - He responded to your opinion with his opinion.
4 - Kudos on recognizing and admitting that you may have been wrong.
5 - You are doing the exact same thing. You're making assumptions about a huge population in the game. How can you possibly know that "pilots in high sec are no longer even interested in null or wh space"?
I do not like the men on this spaceship. They are uncouth and fail to appreciate my better qualities. I have something of value to contribute to this mission if only they would realize it.
- Bill Frug
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Prince Kobol
2448
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Posted - 2015.02.15 14:37:21 -
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You have 2 massive power blocks, neither can beat each other and nobody can beat them.
You then have the tedium that is large fleet fights in null sec and the grinding of structures, add to this the new jump mechanics and constant nerf in of capital ships and you have massive areas of null sec which are empty.
When you then take into account very poor new player retention and vets either unsubbing accounts or leaving altogether then you a game which is stale.
However the Eve community being what it is will just ignore all the facts and role out the old same tired lines while the average PCU continues with it decline |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
6541
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Posted - 2015.02.15 14:47:49 -
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I'm just too fatigued
^^ Delicious goon ((tech nerf, siphon, drone assist, supercap)) tears.
Taking a wrecking ball to the futile hopes and broken dreams of skillless blobbers.
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J'Poll
Green Skull LLC
5837
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Posted - 2015.02.15 15:51:57 -
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EVE is dying thread no 49013523524632.5
/me summons our friendly ISD...
Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded
Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
16117
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Posted - 2015.02.15 20:28:08 -
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Vector Symian wrote:Righto Bros this is my opinion as to why we will no longer see massive eve battles
Theories are
1- Too many blues
2- more and more MMOs flooding the market (they'll come back but some peeps may never see eve in the first place)
3- A large scale battle is crap if it hasn't got titans and now the titan is crap and there really only for appearances
4- a tendency of wielding cheap ships this is occurring in All secs
5- pilots in high sec are no longer even interested in null or wh space and this space in increasingly going silent
summery
we didn't treat our noobs well and now we have a power vacuum and we are drawing in far to many accountants who are not interested in big war unless they profit
Wish to add?
Speak for yourself mate, we've just had an entertaining little campaign in Immensea.
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his ISK/hr depends upon his not understanding it!"
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
6494
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Posted - 2015.02.15 20:33:57 -
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#nerdworldproblems
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
2002
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Posted - 2015.02.16 05:47:19 -
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If you think everyone everywhere is flying cheap ships blow up anyone in a highsec PVP corp. Blue and green guaranteed.
Faction fit pirate battleships as a fleet doctrine covered by SRP? That's a thing in highsec PVP. |
Vyl Vit
1055
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Posted - 2015.02.16 09:35:36 -
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I tend to imagine the people behind the keyboard, moreso than the immersion shooting the red blinkies. The last huge (MONUMENTAL) battle, for instance, was not planned. It was purely accidental, and it ran for DAYS. Initially, people were being called on the telephone to come home from WORK and man that almighty ship and get your @$$ out there, immediately, if not SOONER!
Well, I can't help but imagine a lot of these digital warriors obliged by social contract to faithfully respond are IRL bread-winning adults responsible for house payments, loan payments, dental bills, the litany - and may be able to get away with explaining this ONE departure from sanity for the sake of a "video game", but should it not just become habitual, but if just ONE more such instance should arise on the heels of the last one....well, there's a whole lot of 'splainin' that'd be goin' on and not many people listenin'.
As one of these bill-paying, army of people depending upon me adult types myself it's easy to imagine behind the various keyboards involved rockets going off that would dwarf any battle ever fought in EVE, and the offense would be dancin' on our poor fellow players' heads. SO.....don't forget. This present stasis may have a life of its own...if you look real close.
Anyone with any sense has already left town.
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Swanky nutjob
The Scope Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2015.02.16 09:41:05 -
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Vector Symian wrote:Righto Bros this is my opinion as to why we will no longer see massive eve battles
Theories are
1- Too many blues
2- more and more MMOs flooding the market (they'll come back but some peeps may never see eve in the first place)
3- A large scale battle is crap if it hasn't got titans and now the titan is crap and there really only for appearances
4- a tendency of wielding cheap ships this is occurring in All secs
5- pilots in high sec are no longer even interested in null or wh space and this space in increasingly going silent
summery
we didn't treat our noobs well and now we have a power vacuum and we are drawing in far to many accountants who are not interested in big war unless they profit
Wish to add?
You're assumptions are only partially correct with point 3. Pheobe stopped rapid deployments by active players, be that either Capital or subcapital (Several alliances last year were kicked out of their space or had deployments ended with no capital fights - See Kadeshi and Darkness getting beaten by European Goonion). Entrenched alliances with supercapitals cannot be challenged in local superiority anymore and since space aids people use wormholes to move so this is why everyone is now using cruiser sized subcaps. This all in turn is horrifically boring and thus no one is doing anything remotely approaching sov war. |
Unezka Turigahl
Det Som Engang Var
613
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Posted - 2015.02.16 10:27:47 -
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I've never been interested in null or massive fleet battles and I've been dabbling in EVE on and off since 2004.
Past 800-1000 or so pilots in system you start running into tidi. Watching your module cycles crawl for hours on end while you accomplish hardly anything doesn't seem like time well spent to me. I'm surprised anyone can be arsed to put up with that nonsense. |
Shin Jan
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
14
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Posted - 2015.02.16 14:34:10 -
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It is simple, war has moved, no more space conquer. The Holy War has been brought upon High Sec with Suicide Ganking and Can flipping, just so that Eve does not become a theme park. THIS is the real danger for Eve. So We will now conquer High Sec, make the carebear suffer for their unallowed safe greediness. |
Gilan Isana
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2015.02.16 22:18:37 -
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no longer see massive fleet battles. . . . . . .
Hmmmm
How many titans and supercaps were destroyed in the last few battles?
How long does it take to replace that many big ships?
Big fleet battles will always be a part of EVE, as will periods of quiet while those destroyed are replaced, preferably doubled if you lost the battle!!
Just wait till someone messes up a jump bridge again. . . . .
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WarFireV
Blackwater USA Inc. Pandemic Legion
377
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Posted - 2015.02.16 22:28:12 -
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There are always conflicts going on, you just don't always hear about them. Right now the conflicts aren't of a very large scope, no one is really trying to kill anyone else.
Solar, with the help of some friends, tried to make a play for the dronelands, but it failed and feathered out for the moment.
There are also battles going on in the deep south, of a similar nature, as some of the Russian groups try to take space again. They just don't have the numbers to be a massive threat right now. They lost too many pilots in the Halloween war who have yet to come back to Eve.
Goons and some of the CFC are doing fun developments around Curse and Delve. And BL have gone back to Venal.
Everyone is mostly just siting on their hands as we all a wait the coming nullsec SOV changes. |
Sir Diablos
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
22
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Posted - 2015.02.16 22:32:59 -
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Shin Jan wrote:It is simple, war has moved, no more space conquer. The Holy War has been brought upon High Sec with Suicide Ganking and Can flipping, just so that Eve does not become a theme park. THIS is the real danger for Eve. So We will now conquer High Sec, make the carebear suffer for their unallowed safe greediness.
This is what will kill Eve, the continued momentum towards a theme park MMO, not imagined blue donuts (which have been talked about for years now), more MMOs (many of which fail out of the gate), or any of the others points you are vainly trying to make. Only the further abandonment of the roots of Eve will be the cause of this fine game's demise. People come to Eve because it is unlike all other MMOs out there, and trying to make it such can only spell doom for Eve.
Do you want to save Eve? Speak out against these changes and work to make a difference.
I support a strong and unified Hisec, I support James 315 in his Vision to make this a reality, and I support the CODE.
www.minerbumping.com
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3090
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Posted - 2015.02.16 22:44:05 -
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Jump Fatigue made it massively harder to move around the ships required to conduct large scale warfare, whilst doing nothing to make conflict more attractive.
What did anyone expect to happen?
Post on the Eve-o forums with a Goonswarm Federation character that drinking bleach is bad for you, and 20 forum warriors will hospitalise themselves trying to prove you wrong.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6251
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Posted - 2015.02.17 01:01:35 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote:Jump Fatigue made it massively harder to move around the ships required to conduct large scale warfare, whilst doing nothing to make conflict more attractive.
What did anyone expect to happen?
I can put "What did anyone expect to happen?" at the end of a lot of grievances about game mechanics and features. Funny though even the developers will say they are not entirely sure of what would happen.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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