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Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY F0RCED ENTRY.
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Posted - 2015.02.20 15:40:13 -
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Held der Finsternis wrote:Cannibal Kane wrote:Less talk more action.
It been a while since a corp and alliance was build to do what you want to do. Last ones all went up in flames and I relish at the idea of facing another White Knight/Anti-Code corp. There is a reason why people in AG are mostly in NPC or 1 man corps... like you are. Yes, there will be lots of action. I have just published the 3rd blog post. Rome was not built in a day and so this rebellion will take some time, even a year or longer if need be. But I will not rush to lose ships and other such foolishness like all the prior rebel corps and movements have done. I will follow a bold strategy that will take time. But, unlike the failed rebels before me, I will not be scammed, awoxxed, or otherwise defeated in battle to such an extent that I have to give up like they did. I am taking the slow, methodical approach. I'm sure lots of people will laugh, just as many did when James was alone himself. But so far we are raising funds faster than James and I am confident we shall see victory. I look forward to seeing you on the battlefield, whichever side you choose. And my fleets will be undocked and engaging. As I've told investors in private, I see wardec as great practice for budding rebels, not anything to be feared. But we will do so in ships that we can easily replace. Good luck to everyone in the coming war. May the best side win. But most importantly, may everyone have fun.
Is this like a parody of the New Order? Held der Finsternis even says "Carebear calm down".
In any case, sounds damn funny, has my full support behind it. |
Held der Finsternis
Honourable Space Men of Highsec
19
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Posted - 2015.02.20 17:11:36 -
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There has been much discussion in game about official titles for "agents" and "knights." In the New Order, agents are Code enforcers with any corp affiliation whil knights are members of the CODE. alliance.
What would you call the Rebel equivalents?
Here are some of the ideas being considered:
AGENT equivalent:
Ranger Saviour Advocate Sheriff Deputy Gallant Protector Partisan Vanquisher Defender Medalist Hero
KNIGHT equivalent:
Champion Templar Goblin Orc
Now that I have gone through this exercise thinking up some more ones, I think it's clear to me now.
I decree that the rebel "agent" shall henceforth be known as..
Hero
and the rebel "Knight" shall henceforth be known as...
Templar
I do not rule out having multiple levels, using some of the words above, to denote special achievements and such. Please share any ideas you may have!
Supreme Commander of Highsec
heroesofhighsec.com
save Highsec from James 315, the New Order, and CODE.
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Jennifer en Marland
Shiny Violent Killing Toys
26
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Posted - 2015.02.20 17:23:01 -
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Not sure if you're a troll, scammer or both...I'm guessing both
Army of dolls stole all your perfect imperfections.
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Held der Finsternis
Honourable Space Men of Highsec
20
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Posted - 2015.02.20 17:29:30 -
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Jennifer en Marland wrote:Not sure if you're a troll, scammer or both...I'm guessing both
Neither. I certainly hope to see you as a shareholder and/or hero very soon so that together we can defeat James 315 and his cronies. Skepticism is healthy, as long as you are open-minded to see how this plays out as my forces march towards victory.
Supreme Commander of Highsec
heroesofhighsec.com
save Highsec from James 315, the New Order, and CODE.
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Gaylord Fappington
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
64
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Posted - 2015.02.20 17:42:18 -
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Jennifer en Marland wrote:Not sure if you're a troll, scammer or both...I'm guessing both
Doesn't the AG community call its agents Pandaren? He could always borrow that. |
Lord Jasta
The Scope Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2015.02.20 17:49:38 -
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So what if a former agent wanted to right the wrongs he had committed before? |
Jennifer en Marland
Shiny Violent Killing Toys
30
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Posted - 2015.02.20 18:06:49 -
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Held der Finsternis wrote:Jennifer en Marland wrote:Not sure if you're a troll, scammer or both...I'm guessing both Neither. I certainly hope to see you as a shareholder and/or hero very soon so that together we can defeat James 315 and his cronies. Skepticism is healthy, as long as you are open-minded to see how this plays out as my forces march towards victory.
The fact that you're asking for isk without ever having done anything to fight Code puts you perilously close to the 'scammer' category. I know you'll never see one cent from me unless you do something pretty amazing that i couldn't do myself.
Lord Jasta wrote:So what if a former agent wanted to right the wrongs he had committed before?
Then he should hurry up and right them, instead of making forum posts about how he's supposedly going to lead other people into doing it for him
Army of dolls stole all your perfect imperfections.
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Dark Hominy
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2015.02.20 18:25:16 -
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Held der Finsternis, I really like the cut of your..... Heeeey, that's not a mullet.
I hope you or someone you know are really good at herding cats. Highsec dwellers tend to not work together in groups larger than 1. I'd love to see it happen, though. Best of luck. |
Held der Finsternis
Honourable Space Men of Highsec
20
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Posted - 2015.02.20 18:38:48 -
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Jennifer en Marland wrote:Held der Finsternis wrote:Jennifer en Marland wrote:Not sure if you're a troll, scammer or both...I'm guessing both Neither. I certainly hope to see you as a shareholder and/or hero very soon so that together we can defeat James 315 and his cronies. Skepticism is healthy, as long as you are open-minded to see how this plays out as my forces march towards victory. The fact that you're asking for isk without ever having done anything to fight Code puts you perilously close to the 'scammer' category. I know you'll never see one cent from me unless you do something pretty amazing that i couldn't do myself. Lord Jasta wrote:So what if a former agent wanted to right the wrongs he had committed before? Then he should hurry up and right them, instead of making forum posts about how he's supposedly going to lead other people into doing it for him
As I've pointed out to other (so far) failed rebels, the quest to defeat James 315 and the New Order is one that takes careful planning and many steps. It is about winning hearts and minds. The founder of the anti-ganking channel expressed many similar things. You could call it AG groupthink I suppose. Perhaps on my blog I'll address this in more detail soon. But in a nutshell, he asked, what would it take to declare victory?
It is quite clear to me. If any of these victory goals are things you'd like to see, then we should talk:
1. Agents and Knights join the Heroes of Highsec and renounce their wicked ways. (remember folks, hearts and minds.) 2. The CODE. alliance is disbanded, with no alternative alliance setup to replace it. 3. James 315 stops writing.
You can't achieve these goals merely by camping gates with some electronic warfare and reps. You can't do it alone or in small packs.
No, that is the FAILED strategy of all the rebels who have come before me. They rely on primative tactics and a bit of high-fives, while they waste countless man hours away doing nothing of value whatsoever. Occassionally, they'll destroy a cheap catalyst or two.
Now, don't get me wrong. Anti-ganking is a part of the strategy, but it's just one component. You have to win the forum too, without being constantly ridiculed. You also can't routinely have your rebel corps and alliances sacked by New Order forces, continously creating new corps and feeding content to Minerbumping.com
You also can't be so paranoid of letting your duly elected Supreme Commander of Highsec into your chat channels. It is a well known fact that New Order spies are always in there. What are you hiding, your schedules? If you think you have anything to hide, you need to beef up your security instead of making it so laughable. When I was a Knight, our around-the-clock surveillance of anti-ganking and other Rebel channels revealed that the entire rebel community had no plan, no hope, and were really cute.
You are so afraid of being scammed or tricked or otherwise misled by agents of the New Order, that you shoot yourselves in the feet hoping it will protect you.
So what have I done so far? Keep in mind it has been about 2 days. I have raised nearly 2 billion isk from a number of interested shareholders who wish to see real change come to Highsec. I have setup a blog with an actual domain name. I've posted articles, and I've setup a lot of the static pages. I've done interviews with many more prospective supporters both in chats and various teamspeaks. I've even had isk thrown at the rebel movement by New Order supporters themselves, much like Goons have done for Gevlon, simply because they find it funny. That's fine with me- I'll take isk from anyone and then use it to defeat James 315 and so on as stated.
So now... what have YOU done? All I hear are stories of failures.
But that doesn't matter. That's the point. We, as rebels, need to band together to defeat our common enemy instead of constantly attacking one another. That is the Carebear Problem. Eventually I will overcome that, one rebel at a time. It is just getting a fit frustrating to even see you spout out what is essentially fearful talking points written down by carebears of past who se advice is to do everything possible that cowers in the face of advertsity instead of tackling the problem head on and intelligently.
Join me. Let's defeat the New Order together.
Supreme Commander of Highsec
heroesofhighsec.com
save Highsec from James 315, the New Order, and CODE.
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Erica Dusette
Isogen 5
38485
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Posted - 2015.02.20 18:41:35 -
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Held der Finsternis wrote:Hiasa Kite wrote:IB4 the move.
Also, best of luck to the OP. The new Order has never lost a war. You are indeed up against the most elite of PvPers. I know, check my employment history friend. Tbh it kinda makes your effort look more like either a CODE publicity tactic and/or a way to bring them even more targets via the people you recruit and "lead into battle". This kind of thing is common in FW.
Though if it's legit then I'm pretty sure CODE and everyone watching will welcome the extra content with open arms.
In anycase, starting off by saying you want to win and be different than the rest, then asking for suggestions on exactly how to do that, doesn't bode real well.
Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!
Part-Time Wormhole Pirate pâä Full-Time Supermodel
The Endgame | Wormhole Diaries
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Held der Finsternis
Honourable Space Men of Highsec
20
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Posted - 2015.02.20 18:46:37 -
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Erica Dusette wrote:Held der Finsternis wrote:Hiasa Kite wrote:IB4 the move.
Also, best of luck to the OP. The new Order has never lost a war. You are indeed up against the most elite of PvPers. I know, check my employment history friend. Tbh it kinda makes your effort look more like either a CODE publicity tactic and/or a way to bring them even more targets via the people you recruit and "lead into battle". This kind of thing is common in FW. Though if it's legit then I'm pretty sure CODE and everyone watching will welcome the extra content with open arms. In anycase, starting off by saying you want to win and be different than the rest, then asking for suggestions on exactly how to do that, doesn't bode real well.
Well, you are wrong. But let me explain why, as I have done so already to that exact question earlier in this thread. The failed rebels of past have come to the table with crazy, naive plans and refused to listen to reason. They all want to be kings but no one wants to be a soldier. They end up getting their asses handed to them. Instead of learning and adapting, they whine and fill out paperwork for our overworked GM's.
I already have extensive plans for how I will achieve ultimate victory. Obviously, I have not posted them in full here for opsec. But I would be absolutely foolish NOT to ask for suggestions from the community, adapting good ideas as make sense.
This is not an attack on you, just your thinking on this matter. Seriously give it some thought. I'm confident you'll come around and share your own suggestions.
Supreme Commander of Highsec
heroesofhighsec.com
save Highsec from James 315, the New Order, and CODE.
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Renegade Heart
Novus Ordo Universum
399
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Posted - 2015.02.20 18:51:52 -
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Held der Finsternis wrote:So what have I done so far? Keep in mind it has been about 2 days.....
And you still have no lossmails of gankers.
Held der Finsternis wrote:So now... what have YOU done?
Jennifer actually goes out there and shoots at CODE. There are many lossmails that show this.
Who has done more? I'd say Jennifer. If people want to throw isk at any antigankers at this stage Jennifer seems your best bet! |
Erica Dusette
Isogen 5
38493
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Posted - 2015.02.20 18:52:09 -
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Held der Finsternis wrote:This is not an attack on you, just your thinking on this matter. Seriously give it some thought. I'm confident you'll come around and share your own suggestions. Why would I want to do that?
Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again!
Part-Time Wormhole Pirate pâä Full-Time Supermodel
The Endgame | Wormhole Diaries
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Jennifer en Marland
Shiny Violent Killing Toys
32
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Posted - 2015.02.20 18:58:45 -
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I was going to write a serious reply to your to your points but then I read this:
Held der Finsternis wrote:You also can't be so paranoid of letting your duly elected Supreme Commander of Highsec into your chat channels.
So I'm not going to waste any more time engaging with a troll.
Army of dolls stole all your perfect imperfections.
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Held der Finsternis
Honourable Space Men of Highsec
20
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Posted - 2015.02.20 18:59:02 -
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Renegade Heart wrote:Held der Finsternis wrote:So what have I done so far? Keep in mind it has been about 2 days..... And you still have no lossmails of gankers. Held der Finsternis wrote:So now... what have YOU done? Jennifer actually goes out there and shoots at CODE. There are many lossmails that show this. Who has done more? I'd say Jennifer. If people want to throw isk at any antigankers at this stage Jennifer seems your best bet!
So you admit you didn't read anything I posted. Shooting catalyst pilots who are on a mission to lose their ship is not how you defeat CODE. LMAO. LIke I said, cute as hell.
I look forward to the day when we join forces together. The Carebear Problem, as I alluded to earlier, is the well-known fact that carebears and rebels as a whole, as you are demonstrating, favor taking solo actions over group efforts of any significance, favor small actions over actual change, and argue over and over with people who share a common cause with them.
But, if you insist on repeatedly failing, I guess I'll just have to deal with that and lead the resistance without you and others of limited thinking on this matter.
Jenifer yet again proves my point here:
Jennifer en Marland wrote:I So I'm not going to waste any more time engaging with a troll.
Supreme Commander of Highsec
heroesofhighsec.com
save Highsec from James 315, the New Order, and CODE.
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Tengu Grib
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
939
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Posted - 2015.02.20 19:12:09 -
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Held der Finsternis wrote: So you admit you didn't read anything I posted. Shooting catalyst pilots who are on a mission to lose their ship is not how you defeat CODE. LMAO. LIke I said, cute as hell.
Confirming Jennifer has never shot anything but catalysts.
Jennifer has earned our respect as a capable and dangerous opponent whom we enjoy battling. One day we might say the same of you. This is not that day.
Sabriz for CSMX!
Consider voting Tora as well.
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Renegade Heart
Novus Ordo Universum
400
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Posted - 2015.02.20 19:13:59 -
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Held der Finsternis wrote:trollolol
I read it all. I read most of the blog too. It is not my fault your shoddy reading skills lead you to conclude I am of "limited thinking" and I already stated how to beat CODE earlier in the thread, without mention of shooting any catalysts.
You are talking a lot about antiganking though and doing nothing. Talk... inaction... talk... inaction...
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Held der Finsternis
Honourable Space Men of Highsec
21
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Posted - 2015.02.20 19:25:32 -
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Renegade Heart wrote:Held der Finsternis wrote:trollolol I read it all. I read most of the blog too. It is not my fault your shoddy reading skills lead you to conclude I am of "limited thinking" and I already stated how to beat CODE earlier in the thread, without mention of shooting any catalysts. You are talking a lot about antiganking though and doing nothing. Talk... inaction... talk... inaction...
Not at all, simply saying that to beat CODE. you have to use CODE. tactics in your strategy or you are doomed to fail. You and I have many things we can agree on. I'm trying to get you to the point where you can see that is all. I'll be here for this cause for a very long time. And unlike so many others, I'll engage with them with a fun and polite attitude. This is a game that so many get rather worked up over.
Supreme Commander of Highsec
heroesofhighsec.com
save Highsec from James 315, the New Order, and CODE.
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Renegade Heart
Novus Ordo Universum
402
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Posted - 2015.02.20 19:36:50 -
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Held der Finsternis wrote:Not at all, simply saying that to beat CODE. you have to use CODE. tactics in your strategy or you are doomed to fail. You and I have many things we can agree on. I'm trying to get you to the point where you can see that is all. I'll be here for this cause for a very long time. And unlike so many others, I'll engage with them with a fun and polite attitude. This is a game that so many get rather worked up over.
So, are you aware that Jennifer suicide ganked a bump mach? Can we expect to see donations diverted into SRP for such operations in the future?
I can appreciate you not wanting to share all of your plan, but surely a killmail of that kind would be something to inspire carebears to part with some of their hard-earned AFK mining income? |
Held der Finsternis
Honourable Space Men of Highsec
22
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Posted - 2015.02.20 20:06:18 -
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Renegade Heart wrote:Held der Finsternis wrote:Not at all, simply saying that to beat CODE. you have to use CODE. tactics in your strategy or you are doomed to fail. You and I have many things we can agree on. I'm trying to get you to the point where you can see that is all. I'll be here for this cause for a very long time. And unlike so many others, I'll engage with them with a fun and polite attitude. This is a game that so many get rather worked up over. So, are you aware that Jennifer suicide ganked a bump mach? Can we expect to see donations diverted into SRP for such operations in the future? I can appreciate you not wanting to share all of your plan, but surely a killmail of that kind would be something to inspire carebears to part with some of their hard-earned AFK mining income?
In due time, I'm sure. Right now, I'm working on funding an alliance and then recruiting some. I could do it now, but I don't want to deplete the Treasury too quickly at the beginning. There will be some killmails then, and so on, while other parts of the plan are put into motion. While I work on initial funding, I'm getting the blog setup with some initial articles and static resource pages. Of course this will all grow in time, but it's a lot to work on right now for the coming days. To let a little bit out the bag, I'll form up some fleets of fast tackle and fast locking interceptors to engage gank fleets in combat in open space, not just jam them on gates. Time will tell whether that will be effective with rookie rebel pilots or not, but it should be fun for everyone including the gankers. As far as SRP, I definitely want to get there but not how they do SRP for ganking, but more like how they hand out free fitted ships for fleets they FC.
Supreme Commander of Highsec
heroesofhighsec.com
save Highsec from James 315, the New Order, and CODE.
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Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY F0RCED ENTRY.
160
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Posted - 2015.02.20 20:07:16 -
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Jennifer en Marland wrote:Held der Finsternis wrote:Jennifer en Marland wrote:Not sure if you're a troll, scammer or both...I'm guessing both Neither. I certainly hope to see you as a shareholder and/or hero very soon so that together we can defeat James 315 and his cronies. Skepticism is healthy, as long as you are open-minded to see how this plays out as my forces march towards victory. The fact that you're asking for isk without ever having done anything to fight Code puts you perilously close to the 'scammer' category. I know you'll never see one cent from me unless you do something pretty amazing that i couldn't do myself. Lord Jasta wrote:So what if a former agent wanted to right the wrongs he had committed before? Then he should hurry up and right them, instead of making forum posts about how he's supposedly going to lead other people into doing it for him Great leaders delegate. Hes gonna hand out roles and have everyone else fight Code, while he sits in his throne and watches over the little mortals. |
Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
647
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Posted - 2015.02.20 20:09:23 -
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Renegade Heart wrote:Held der Finsternis wrote:Not at all, simply saying that to beat CODE. you have to use CODE. tactics in your strategy or you are doomed to fail. You and I have many things we can agree on. I'm trying to get you to the point where you can see that is all. I'll be here for this cause for a very long time. And unlike so many others, I'll engage with them with a fun and polite attitude. This is a game that so many get rather worked up over. So, are you aware that Jennifer suicide ganked a bump mach? Can we expect to see donations diverted into SRP for such operations in the future? I can appreciate you not wanting to share all of your plan, but surely a killmail of that kind would be something to inspire carebears to part with some of their hard-earned AFK mining income? Give the man a chance. He is starting up a grand movement to upset the current power structure of highsec. It has only been three days which is not a lot of time to undo two-and-a-half years of dominance by James 315 and the New Order.
I believe Held is the best shot for the rebels that has come along in a long while. Whether they choose to rally behind him or not is up to them, but whatever they choose, I hope some good content comes of it.
Sabriz Adoudel for CSM 10 is a good idea.
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Renegade Heart
Novus Ordo Universum
404
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Posted - 2015.02.20 20:18:17 -
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Black Pedro wrote:I hope some good content comes of it.
Me too! Scams are cool and all that but nothing new really. It would be fun to see a real rebel movement rise up, and maybe this could be it.
Held der Finsternis wrote:it's a lot to work on right now for the coming days. To let a little bit out the bag, I'll form up some fleets of fast tackle and fast locking interceptors to engage gank fleets in combat in open space, not just jam them on gates. Time will tell whether that will be effective with rookie rebel pilots or not, but it should be fun for everyone including the gankers. As far as SRP, I definitely want to get there but not how they do SRP for ganking, but more like how they hand out free fitted ships for fleets they FC.
Well this kind of content is the kind of thing that could generate more momentum.You do sound like you know what you are doing, and what you are up against, unlike other past rebels who simply made empty threats. I wish you the best of luck, and will be watching how this pans out!
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Alessa Uitoh
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.02.20 22:07:52 -
[144] - Quote
Very easy way to beat them don't play the game you kill their content and eve itself problem solved |
Tengu Grib
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
939
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Posted - 2015.02.20 22:10:10 -
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Alessa Uitoh wrote:Very easy way to beat them don't play the game you kill their content and eve itself problem solved
In that situation everyone loses, the player in question included.
Sabriz for CSMX!
Consider voting Tora as well.
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Veers Belvar
Swordmasters of New Eden
513
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Posted - 2015.02.20 22:16:24 -
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Honestly code has fallen apart to the point where there is no reason to launch a campaign against them. They barely have the manpower to gank a hulk anymore. |
Paranoid Loyd
3930
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Posted - 2015.02.20 22:21:50 -
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32 Hulk kills this week.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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Alessa Uitoh
State War Academy Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2015.02.20 22:28:49 -
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Code isn't dead they are just in a small area around jita with a few going to hek once in awhile. And even though everyone loses in that case I mentioned it's the only way to kill such a hateful idealogical belief That is allowed to fester in such an environment called eve. |
Tengu Grib
Glorious Revolutionary Armed Forces of Highsec CODE.
939
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Posted - 2015.02.20 22:37:20 -
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Alessa Uitoh wrote:Code isn't dead they are just in a small area around jita with a few going to hek once in awhile. And even though everyone loses in that case I mentioned it's the only way to kill such a hateful idealogical belief That is allowed to fester in such an environment called eve.
You're not wrong, but what you're calling for would be all of our enemies never logging back in. That would literally kill Eve.
Sabriz for CSMX!
Consider voting Tora as well.
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Renegade Heart
Novus Ordo Universum
406
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Posted - 2015.02.20 22:44:01 -
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Alessa Uitoh wrote:Very easy way to beat them don't play the game you kill their content and eve itself problem solved
Are you quitting? If so, can I have your stuff?
I ask this to those who intend on following Alessa's advice also. Stuff please! |
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