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Xadiran
Moira. Villore Accords
20
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Posted - 2015.02.17 19:26:48 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:
"I believe my captors to be (?????), fearful of the event now transpiring, and are in a state of panic."
Panic ... facing us?
Could that mean that they've put all their power on the field, and they've got no reserves?
This is a final, desperate move?
I believe it is more likely the panic was due to these 'Drifters', and not us.
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Aria Jenneth
Perkone Caldari State
214
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Posted - 2015.02.17 19:31:34 -
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Jukko Riis wrote:Clarification please,
When you use the term "battleship" are you referring t the size class of a drone or are you saying that these are actual crewed battleships?
A.I. Drones are bad enough, but if we're talking an actual race here....
Our lives just got a whole lot more complicated. Eran Mintor posted this, earlier.
It could maybe be some kind of trick.
If not, it looks like the "complicated" option.
Xadiran wrote:Aria Jenneth wrote:
"I believe my captors to be (?????), fearful of the event now transpiring, and are in a state of panic."
Panic ... facing us?
Could that mean that they've put all their power on the field, and they've got no reserves?
This is a final, desperate move?
I believe it is more likely the panic was due to these 'Drifters', and not us.
Ah. Could be.
....
Ouch. That makes way too much sense. |
Aria Jenneth
Perkone Caldari State
214
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Posted - 2015.02.17 19:42:47 -
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Statement following apparent Drifter engagement here.
Tactical advisory to follow.
Frenjo Borkstar wrote:Do not attempt to engage unless you have a sufficient fleet of at least 2 cruisers, 2 ECM Frigates and 2 Battleships. Expect to lose at least three of these ships! |
Jaret Victorian
Crystalis Foundation
65
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Posted - 2015.02.17 19:47:47 -
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Don't know if it has been reported.
I never agressed C-Seekers or these Battleships, if this is relevant. Just 5 minutes ago I tried to poke around the uncloaked Pillar in my pod, try to look completely harmless. This Drifter Battleship just stopped doing what he was doing and started following me at my maximum speed, which was approximately 185 m/s, copying my every move and change of direction, but always staying to my right. As soon as I approached the Uncloaked Pillar, the Battleship warped off.
When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
6718
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Posted - 2015.02.17 20:52:16 -
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With all due respect, pilots, act like the gods-damned professionals you're supposed to be.
We have an unknown, newly-arrived and potentially hostile force in the cluster. CONCORD advises pilots to not poke them with a stick. Pilots then poke these forces with a stick, with, in many cases, the predictable result that they get shot in the face. Occasionally, well-coordinated poking results in destroying some of these ships.
Now, yes, that these structures are as large as they are is worrisome. Yes, that these capsuleer pilots appear to be heavily augmented Jove, per the CONCORD description of them. Yes, these battleships are well-armed and -armored.
This is not some sort of apocalypse. The world has just gotten a little bit stranger.
Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs.
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Jayze Severasse
The Scope Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2015.02.17 20:57:43 -
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I have just discovered "Variant AU-79" seems to keep the sleepers from podding. I am aware of the new Circadian Seeker behavior and wanted to test the now uncloaked structures. I went in an Atron and opened fire on the seekers at the structure. They proceeded to destroy my Atron, but did not pod me...They scanned me extensively after blowing up my ship, but never once shot my pod...just scanned it many times b4 warping out.
It would seem my hypothesis on the shiny coating of variant AU-79 may be correct, confirming now with Velator :D |
Aria Jenneth
Perkone Caldari State
214
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Posted - 2015.02.17 21:15:10 -
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Doctor Borkstar verifies ECM vulnerability.
So far, fighting them is sounding similar to Sleeper ... hunting....
Um. Sorry. Headache.
Uh, anyhow, they're stronger, obviously.
Salvage was "standard Sleeper."
He says it's clearly Sleeper tech, with a Jovian twist, but could that just mean a common root?
Do I remember right that Jovian tech is fullerene-based in the first place?
No confirmation on best weapons to use. Has anyone tried testing damage types? |
Aria Jenneth
Perkone Caldari State
214
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Posted - 2015.02.17 21:19:09 -
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Also: this just seems like a good idea. |
Jayze Severasse
The Scope Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2015.02.17 21:21:45 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:Doctor Borkstar verifies ECM vulnerability.
So far, fighting them is sounding similar to Sleeper ... hunting....
Um. Sorry. Headache.
Uh, anyhow, they're stronger, obviously.
Salvage was "standard Sleeper."
He says it's clearly Sleeper tech, with a Jovian twist, but could that just mean a common root?
Do I remember right that Jovian tech is fullerene-based in the first place?
No confirmation on best weapons to use. Sleepers are vulnerable to EMP weapons; has anyone tried testing damage types?
If they possess omni-resistance and damage (like sleepers), then omni-resistance is needed, but damage doesn't matter (they resist it all the same, pick one)
The Circadian Seeker scan behavior makes me believe that the structures do not belong to them...or the GMO Jovian pilots and sleeper drones are entities operating independently of one another. |
Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
1385
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Posted - 2015.02.17 21:31:50 -
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Keep in mind, the Drifter battleships also scan things, with a beam that's identical to the one Seekers use. Also, destroyed Drifters leave behind salvage that is also often found in Sleeper ships, so there seems to be a connection between all three.
As most of you know by now, I ran my own publication on the matter, regarding all these new appearances unveiling in the New Eden Cluster: 'The Jove have returned and they have such sights to show us....'
Wile we received alot of answers to questions, many more new questions have risen as well! Chief among them is: 'Where did the Drifters come from?' and 'What is their goal?'
The Jove have returned and they have such sights to show us....
The Republic strikes back!
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Anslo
Scope Works Psychotic Tendencies.
29445
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Posted - 2015.02.17 21:36:14 -
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Tiberious Thessalonia wrote:And the capsuleers, eager for a taste of relevancy, rushed into action without thought and did exactly what was expected. And we'd do it again too. Now go back to orbiting your beacons.
Also Psychotic Tendencies and Overload Everything forces can confirm that Drifters seem to dislike Super Capital class vessels.
As they refused to show up anywhere near us.
Oh well.
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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General Stargazer
Moira. Villore Accords
24
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Posted - 2015.02.17 21:50:20 -
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Jaret Victorian asked if i could forward the following capture here:
http://i.imgur.com/qYzNpBz.gifv
I recorded footage showing what appears to be the Drifter entering and traversing the unidentified wormholes. |
Aria Jenneth
Perkone Caldari State
214
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Posted - 2015.02.17 22:00:53 -
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General: we can't pass through those, right? |
General Stargazer
Moira. Villore Accords
26
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Posted - 2015.02.17 22:15:40 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:General: we can't pass through those, right? Correct.
I've tried traversing shortly after it entered also to no avail.
I have visually seen the ships emanating from the wormhole approximately 30 minutes after entering. Same designation also. |
Jaret Victorian
Crystalis Foundation
65
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Posted - 2015.02.17 22:23:21 -
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General Stargazer wrote:Jaret Victorian asked if i could forward the following capture here: http://i.imgur.com/qYzNpBz.gifvI recorded footage showing what appears to be the Drifter entering and traversing the unidentified wormholes. Thank you. This evidence further reinforces our speculation that these wormholes are similar to Sansha's. They have FoF system. They do not disappear (so far).
When you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all.
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Jennifer Starfall
Repracor Industries
61
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Posted - 2015.02.18 01:33:53 -
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One point that isn't exactly clear.
Where have the Drifter ships been encountered? Near the structures, near these structures, near random celestials?
Jennifer Starfall
Media & Communications
Repracor Industries
The Fourth Seyllin Conference
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Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
286
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Posted - 2015.02.18 02:59:16 -
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A unique opportunity for the Gallente Federation to gain a diplomatic understanding with these 'Drifters'. We can show them the enlightenment of Federation space in order to gain some new allies. Maybe even a chance to begin a severing of links to CONCORD! |
Rhys Mabigonon
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
26
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Posted - 2015.02.18 04:25:54 -
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Jennifer Starfall wrote:One point that isn't exactly clear.
Where have the Drifter ships been encountered? Near the structures, near these structures, near random celestials?
From what I have observed so far, they appear near the unidentified structures. At the time there were two Drifters as well as three Circadian seekers. They will scan your ship if you fly close enough, but so far they have not initiated any hostile actions if you are a passive observer.
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Captain Davison
Malachi Keep Detachments
18
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Posted - 2015.02.18 05:01:01 -
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"Ignore the mad miner" they said.
"You're hallucinating all those contacts on the edge of sensors" They said.
"The Circadians are mostly harmless" they said.
"Stop trying to track down every sensor contact ghost that keeps disappearing near the seekers" they said.
Wellup, I'll go get my battleship. *Looks at battleship.* Maybe I should get one that doesn't look like an explosion in a girder factory that has wingy bits on it. Probably will last me longer. |
Aria Jenneth
Perkone Caldari State
215
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Posted - 2015.02.18 05:03:53 -
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Do we have examples of Circadians and Drifters working together?
Not just ... not shooting at each other, I mean? |
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Captain Davison
Malachi Keep Detachments
18
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Posted - 2015.02.18 05:09:11 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:Do we have examples of Circadians and Drifters working together?
Not just ... not shooting at each other, I mean?
Nearly identical scan/transmit beams, fairly close alike hull design concepts and materials, similar resists and offense types (Aka: all of them), similar technologies, being scary as a Hek, employing similar tactics.
No hard proof, but they seem to be two halves of the same coin. |
Leon Zhost
Zhost Industries
3
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Posted - 2015.02.18 06:03:15 -
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I want to throw something out here, see if anyone agrees. I'm looking at reports of seeker and drifter activity and I'm struck by something pretty unsettling.
They are acting just like us.
What I mean is, when we eggers first got access to wormhole space, what did we do? We sent out scout ships, searching the new star systems for whatever information we could find. Then, we started setting up shop with stations and facilities, essentially claiming little bits of territory for ourselves. Then, we started bringing in the battleships.
These seekers, drifters, sleepers, whoever they are, I think we're starting to finally see a repercussion for our years of exploitation of wormhole space. I think the sleepers are finally waking up, they're looking at us, and they're making a move. |
Eran Mintor
Furtherance.
809
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Posted - 2015.02.18 06:13:29 -
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Well yes. They are humanoid, even capsuleer from all appearances so we can probably assume they conduct warfare in similar ways humans as we know it do.
I am curious though how these stations of theirs, if that's what they really are, were able to be setup under our noses. These things are huge. Have the structures always been here? Has there been some other force at work keeping the construction efforts invisible until now? Or were they transported here by means we don't understand?
-Eran |
Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
541
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Posted - 2015.02.18 06:33:22 -
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Leon Zhost wrote:I want to throw something out here, see if anyone agrees. I'm looking at reports of seeker and drifter activity and I'm struck by something pretty unsettling.
They are acting just like us.
What I mean is, when we eggers first got access to wormhole space, what did we do? We sent out scout ships, searching the new star systems for whatever information we could find. Then, we started setting up shop with stations and facilities, essentially claiming little bits of territory for ourselves. Then, we started bringing in the battleships.
These seekers, drifters, sleepers, whoever they are, I think we're starting to finally see a repercussion for our years of exploitation of wormhole space. I think the sleepers are finally waking up, they're looking at us, and they're making a move.
The only real question for me is what are they after, and how do we stop them before they are tearing down our worlds to get it?
These aren't the same Sleepers we're familar with, if they are Sleepers to begin with. They're coming from the only very recently accessible shattered systems that are somewhere far apart from the rest of Anoikis.
The Sleepers in regular Anoikis haven't changed or reacted to this at all. It seems to be the only place where something catastrophic isn't happening. |
Captain Davison
Malachi Keep Detachments
18
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Posted - 2015.02.18 06:44:32 -
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Gwen Ikiryo wrote:
These aren't the same Sleepers we're familar with, if they are Sleepers to begin with. They're coming from the only very recently accessible shattered systems that are somewhere far apart from the rest of Anoikis.
The Sleepers in regular Anoikis haven't changed or reacted to this at all. It seems to be the only place where something catastrophic isn't happening.
I don't know about that. We're happening to 'regular Anoikis.' |
Eran Mintor
Furtherance.
809
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Posted - 2015.02.18 07:22:24 -
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Gwen Ikiryo wrote:These aren't the same Sleepers we're familar with, if they are Sleepers to begin with. They're coming from the only very recently accessible shattered systems that are somewhere far apart from the rest of Anoikis.
Is this proven yet? A lot of the shattered wormhole systems I've been in are in the same constellation and regions as previously known wormhole systems. I've yet to find one of the unidentified wormholes in k-space yet, but does it also look to lead to Pure Blind (Cloud Ring and Lonetrek nebulae should be visible)? I have noted that all violent wormholes in shattered systems, and also the Promised Land wormhole near planet one, all appear to lead to the same area of k-space--Pure Blind.
Most of the shattered systems I've been in have looked similar to previously known Anoikis nebula. I don't think they were that far apart. Why we weren't able to reach them through wormholes before is a question that may be worth looking into.
-Eran |
Celestia Via
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
63
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Posted - 2015.02.18 07:36:20 -
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Gwen Ikiryo wrote: These aren't the same Sleepers we're familar with, if they are Sleepers to begin with. They're coming from the only very recently accessible shattered systems that are somewhere far apart from the rest of Anoikis.
The Sleepers in regular Anoikis haven't changed or reacted to this at all. It seems to be the only place where something catastrophic isn't happening.
certainly not the same but consider please, that the Sleepers we have dealt with are just an army of drones. An ancient army of drones, with specific guard duties.
What we see here could be the Sleepers themselves, out of their virtual "slumber" and into newly crafted bodies. We would be naive to think they where actually "sleeping" inside a VR world. They most likely have evolved their technology with results apparent to anyone trying to mess with them.
After all, it all adds up. If the Sleepers somehow managed to kidnap dr. Tukos, then it all falls into place. The weird machine language messages, asking for Jovian dna with the ultimate goal of manufacturing their corporeal form, a Drifter.
Ofcourse, not only this theory does not answer all questions but also introduces a few new ones.
Why the Jovian relation? Perhaps the Sleepers and the current Jovians shared a common ancestor which is why they chose this form, or perhaps the Jovian standards suited them better than anything else, after all a Jovian can be considered the most biologically advanced human form.
To what end? No theory on that. Their goals remain to be seen. Its safe to assume they reacted to something, something stirred them enough to go through all this. Its apparent they are not here to make friends or see the sights.
There's no place like space
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Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
496
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Posted - 2015.02.18 07:57:41 -
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As long as they're merely minding their own business, there's little reason to cross one's path; you already established their wrecks are more or less standard Sleeper design. Until something useful can be reverse engineered from it that you haven't already...
Watching and waiting is sometimes better than outright rushing into pointless fray. But hey, your funerals.
Terranid Meester wrote:A unique opportunity for the Gallente Federation to gain a diplomatic understanding with these 'Drifters'. We can show them the enlightenment of Federation space in order to gain some new allies. Maybe even a chance to begin a severing of links to CONCORD!
I came for some tidbits of comedy, and was not disappointed.
- Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim
Angels are never far...
Stillwater Corporation Recruitment Open - Angel Cartel Bloc
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Eran Mintor
Furtherance.
809
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Posted - 2015.02.18 07:59:26 -
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Quote:After all, it all adds up. If the Sleepers somehow managed to kidnap dr. Tukos, then it all falls into place. The weird machine language messages, asking for Jovian dna with the ultimate goal of manufacturing their corporeal form, a Drifter.
That would make a lot of sense actually. I've yet to see a better explanation for the Jovian body parts yet, at least. Definitely something to look into further.
It also hasn't been answered yet why the silence for 3 years between Hilen Tukos' disappearance and when his Imposter used his name to gain the Jovian parts.
-Eran |
Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
541
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Posted - 2015.02.18 08:18:00 -
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Eran Mintor wrote:Is this proven yet? A lot of the shattered wormhole systems I've been in are in the same constellation and regions as previously known wormhole systems. I've yet to find one of the unidentified wormholes in k-space yet, but does it also look to lead to Pure Blind ( Cloud Ring and Lonetrek nebulae should be visible)? I have noted that all violent wormholes in shattered systems, and also the Promised Land wormhole near planet one, all appear to lead to the same area of k-space--Pure Blind. Most of the shattered systems I've been in have looked similar to previously known Anoikis nebula. I don't think they were that far apart. Why we weren't able to reach them through wormholes before is a question that may be worth looking into.
That's the exact opposite of my understanding. I, at least, haven't seen the nebula in Shattered systems anywhere else before. Someone correct me if I'm wrong?
In any case, I think we should consider the notion that the sleepers in the shattered systems and ones elsewhere may well be divergent groups that we're both giving the same label based on their technology. The biggest distinction is that the former group has shield technology... Though, they not anything like we're seeing now.
There's obviously more going on here then we'll be able to instantly piece together. |
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