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The Newface
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.02.18 18:51:57 -
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Hi, ItGÇÖs with great worries I see demands for simplifying the game to create more PvP. Everything from removing attributes (and implants) to removing cost from ships.
As a way to deflect that from my beloved game I hereby propose EVE Quick Match Server! A new server specifically for quick match, room style fights. Subscribers can log on to this server, pick a ship and queue for a quick PvP match. No training, no ship cost just fights.
There probably needs to be a certain amount of scenarios/types you can sign up for. Examples could be Free (any ship), skirmish (up to cruisers) capital and so on.
I believe allot of the functionality already exists so the development time could be pretty low. It would also give CCP some additional statistics, in a simple world like this how much time does the average player spend compared to standard EVE. Im expecting this to prove that standard eve should NOT go towards simplification but I could be wrong.
See this would be a win/win/win!
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Ix Method
Shadows Legion High-Sec Tomfoolery
407
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Posted - 2015.02.18 19:01:07 -
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Please no. Anything that makes space even emptier would be terrible.
Travelling at the speed of love.
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Jenni Concarnadine
SYNDIC Unlimited
2
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Posted - 2015.02.18 19:06:36 -
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Suggest alternative solution (which I have seen elsewhere)
1. Allot 1 (one) system in each Empire to noobs and trainees; ban *all* PvP noob-baiting etc within it. *Expel* noobs at a certain level of SP (Concord would move their assets once they declared a new home station.
2. Allow *unlimited* PvP otherwise. I.e. throughotut he entire EvE universe. keep hi, lo and null-sec because they affect rats, belts, moons etc, but give the gankers a free hand.
3. Abandon the existing insurance system, and simply let players (carebears) select a corp to whom they pay premiums, and to whom they go when ganked to see how much they will get back.
3A Giggle at the carebear tears when they find out how much they receive.
PS I am a carebear myself, so don't think I'm looking to profit. |
Anhenka
The Cult of Personality DARKNESS.
1075
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Posted - 2015.02.18 19:09:19 -
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We should NEVER suggest to people just starting out that EVE is a game in which fights should be fair and even matches, where the results don't matter and nobody loses anything.
The test server has what you are looking for. But it's not coming to Tranquility. Go there and PvP all you want in free ships.
Oh and isolated instances where nobody else can intervene in this single server game?
No. -1 |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
2393
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Posted - 2015.02.18 19:11:33 -
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No, your rights end in optimal+2*falloff | No-one hates you, none of us care enough for that.
Sabriz for CSM
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Reina Xyaer
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2015.02.18 19:17:05 -
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Already exsists, called the test server (Singularity)
All non-consensual PVP is not allowed except in one specific system, at a few specific grids.
Everything on market costs 100.00 ISK, except faction, deadspace, or officer mods
You can set it up, log on with any friends you want, and go agree to have as many/whatever kind of fights you want.
That said, I'd like to state one little complaint about the test server... when I go on it, it seems like people play on the test server the same way they play on TQ... ulra-try-hard, doing their absolute best to only fly the best possible ships and do everything they can to get kills and not die. Why? |
Anhenka
The Cult of Personality DARKNESS.
1075
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Posted - 2015.02.18 19:31:16 -
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Reina Xyaer wrote: That said, I'd like to state one little complaint about the test server... when I go on it, it seems like people play on the test server the same way they play on TQ... ulra-try-hard, doing their absolute best to only fly the best possible ships and do everything they can to get kills and not die. Why?
Because if you are trying to learn how to fly a certain ship well for using it on tranquility, fitting it well and flying in an intelligent manner is kind of important to learning how to use it well. Why would you learn to fly a kiting ship by yolo running at an enemy over and over again?
If you just want to constantly smash cheap ships into each other, go find some friends and do it, or ask if someone else want to do a t1 frig brawl on the test server.
P.S: Calling someone a tryhard is EVE is quite sad, especially when it's because people who are not even interacting with you play the game differently than you want to at that moment.
Not that tryhard isn't just a pathetic accusation in general. Someone loses to someone who's better than them at something? Don't worry, just call them a tryhard to compensate for your own lack of ability or skill at the game. It's a truly cringe-worthy attempt at an insult. |
The Newface
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2015.02.18 19:32:10 -
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This is to provide the "lets simplify eve" crowd a outlet at the same time as it would provide statistics for CCP to look at in regards how popular a world like this would be.
I don't think i was to covert in my original post about this also being a way for me to protect main EVE from getting ruined.
And for the specific question, yes i propose that this would work as in the tournament, no one else besides the people slotted in to the fight originally could intervene.
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HTC NecoSino
No Vacancies
158
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Posted - 2015.02.18 19:32:56 -
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Reina Xyaer wrote:I'd like to state one little complaint about the test server... when I go on it, it seems like people play on the test server the same way they play on TQ... ulra-try-hard, doing their absolute best to only fly the best possible ships and do everything they can to get kills and not die. Why?
For the same reason athletes train to win. If you train with the mentality of "oh well if I die," then there's a very good chance that same lackluster mentality will carry over into the real world (lol).
Train to win and you will. |
Eldwinn
V.O.I.D. Shadow Cartel
290
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Posted - 2015.02.18 19:38:58 -
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No. Basically you are asking eve to become similar to wow's battlegrounds. |
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Paranoid Loyd
3905
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Posted - 2015.02.18 20:35:26 -
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"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
Fix the Prospect!!!
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The Newface
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2015.02.18 21:29:57 -
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Eldwinn wrote:No. Basically you are asking eve to become similar to wow's battlegrounds.
Hehe im not sure if people just done read my posts or if my English is so bad that you donGÇÖt understand it.
Im actually saying the opposite of making EVE into WoW battleground, Im saying CCP could spin up a separate server that would act like eve battlegrounds. That server would have nothing to do with regular eve except using the same ships.
Doing so would catering to the people who right now is pushing to change regular EVE to something simpler/safer to get more people into PvP without ruin the regular game for the rest of us
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Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
2714
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Posted - 2015.02.18 21:31:39 -
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The Newface wrote:Hi, ItGÇÖs with great worries I see demands for simplifying the game to create more PvP. Everything from removing attributes (and implants) to removing cost from ships. Don't know where you heard people asking for ships to be free, but most everyone knows that that would ruin every aspect of the game, save Pew Pew
The Newface wrote: As a way to deflect that from my beloved game I hereby propose EVE Quick Match Server! A new server specifically for quick match, room style fights. Subscribers can log on to this server, pick a ship and queue for a quick PvP match. No training, no ship cost just fights.
This would also ruin the game, players who would only want to PVP would exclusively go to this server and the economy of the real server would quickly crumble from loss of ship losses.
The Newface wrote: See this would be a win/win/win!
Everyone will lose from this happening.
The Newface wrote: This is to provide the "lets simplify eve" crowd a outlet at the same time as it would provide statistics for CCP to look at in regards how popular a world like this would be.
Learning implants and attributes simply add complexity for complexity's sake. Oh and for padding kill boards. |
TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
1034
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Posted - 2015.02.18 21:43:03 -
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If you want a quick match, join one of those 'we always wardec everyone in the game' type of corps and simply undock. Or go live in Null as a solo player. Plenty to shoot there as well.
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Iain Cariaba
1069
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Posted - 2015.02.18 21:47:43 -
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Not empty quote quoting.
Also, no for your idea of turning Eve Online into World of Spaceships.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
"This reminds me - I must complain to my local butcher about him not catering to vegitarians." - admiral root responding to someone whining about too much PvP in Eve Online.
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Ab'del Abu
Atlantis Ascendant
212
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Posted - 2015.02.19 00:54:32 -
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hmm no |
Lugh Crow-Slave
768
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Posted - 2015.02.19 01:32:36 -
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oooh we could also get a few RP servers and a few more general ones(so everyone can get some sove)
C'mon the whole "one universe one war" is kinda old anyway right?
+10000
Fuel block colors? Missiles for Caldari T3?
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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
3505
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Posted - 2015.02.19 01:45:49 -
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So let's turn EVE into a lobby shooter, right? It'll be great, right? Right?
No. Never post anywhere on the internet ever again and absolutely never post in these forums ever again. |
Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
181
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Posted - 2015.02.19 04:02:40 -
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Alvatore DiMarco wrote:So let's turn EVE into a lobby shooter, right? It'll be great, right? Right?
No. Never post anywhere on the internet ever again and absolutely never post in these forums ever again.
I agree with this guy. -1 |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
2282
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Posted - 2015.02.19 05:09:05 -
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adding my 'hell no!' to this.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" "So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
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Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
580
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Posted - 2015.02.19 06:34:21 -
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Gonna say no.
Ship costs are a part of eve. It actually adds to the variables you get in pvp. One player has the mindset isk is only isk and buys medium to low grade ds mods (hell even high grade sometimes). One player is a cheap ass. Meet up and see what happens there.
Want low cost pvp...spar with a corp mate. Agree to shoot to hull and the only cost is ammo and repairs. Repairs offset by both fitting armour and hull reps after to fix each other if motivated to.
That and ccp would have to start coding a matchmaker. The'd probably fail hard at this. Not even an insult to CCP...no matchmaker I have ever seen was really any good. And for games that have this its in their best interest to make it good...but its just not happening. I stopped playing WOT over this tbh. Too many MM horror stories over the years had me go enough is enough.
The main problem is, imo, getting the pops going. People online looking for match up but real varied in skills levels and ship choices...at some point matchmaker algorithms go its either give the crap match or no match and wait for it in the short term future. Average player is not going to be happy waiting like 5 minutes to avoid crap match ups. CCP's matchmaker would factor in ship versus ship and skill levels of players here. And the fits on the ships. I see its MM giving out a fair amount of crap matchups here if in place. |
Tabyll Altol
Breaking.Bad Circle-Of-Two
77
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Posted - 2015.02.19 12:29:07 -
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The Newface wrote:Hi, ItGÇÖs with great worries I see demands for simplifying the game to create more PvP. Everything from removing attributes (and implants) to removing cost from ships.
As a way to deflect that from my beloved game I hereby propose EVE Quick Match Server! A new server specifically for quick match, room style fights. Subscribers can log on to this server, pick a ship and queue for a quick PvP match. No training, no ship cost just fights.
There probably needs to be a certain amount of scenarios/types you can sign up for. Examples could be Free (any ship), skirmish (up to cruisers) capital and so on.
I believe allot of the functionality already exists so the development time could be pretty low. It would also give CCP some additional statistics, in a simple world like this how much time does the average player spend compared to standard EVE. Im expecting this to prove that standard eve should NOT go towards simplification but I could be wrong.
See this would be a win/win/win!
- No free PvP. - No extra server.
The thing what would happen is you got frigs with officerfit without buy something of this.
Go buy a ship and find fights in low/wh/0.0.
-1 |
elitatwo
Eve Minions Poopstain Removal Team
569
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Posted - 2015.02.19 14:22:03 -
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now I know someone from CCP who is really sad that his Dojo's didn't take..
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Zedarh Amarizto
Relentless Terrorism Dead Terrorists
6
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Posted - 2015.02.21 16:14:04 -
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why dont you just install the test server. You get free sp doing mass tests and you get easy pvp :)
Note: Anything you say will be misquoted then used against you.
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FT Diomedes
The Graduates Forged of Fire
831
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Posted - 2015.02.21 16:48:06 -
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I feel like there is an echo in here saying this, but, "no, just go on the test server."
The Greatest Ship Ever. Credit to Shahfluffers.
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Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
671
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Posted - 2015.02.21 20:54:55 -
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Ix Method wrote:Please no. Anything that makes space even emptier would be terrible.
FT Diomedes wrote:I feel like there is an echo in here saying this, but, "no, just go on the test server."
EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
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Desvath Benepeth
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2015.02.24 10:01:37 -
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Yes how about something for in-station features :
2 pilots meet up in stations and enter a virtual simulator that looks just like EVE. |
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