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Halcyon Ember
Repracor Industries
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Posted - 2015.02.21 20:07:08 -
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Fellow Capsuleers Some of you know me well, others only in passing. For those of you who do not know me, I run a venue, called the Elysion. It is my vision that this will become a neutral haven for all in new Eden to meet and mingle, regardless of affiliation or background. My only request is that arguments be left at the door. Violence, narcotics and uncivil behaviour will not be tolerated. As part of this endeavour the venue now hosts a conference room. I hope that this will provide those of differing viewpoints a place to meet and discuss without threat of violence. Those wishing to take up this offer should contact me or a member of my corporation, in order that arrangements may be made. All security at the venue will be arranged by my head of security.
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Mystika Vendetta
DuPont Enterprises Fluffeh Bunneh Murder Squad
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Posted - 2015.02.21 21:51:33 -
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Sounds interesting. I don't know you nor your Venue, but I'm already on my way to check it out and while my Buzzard autopilots I'll take the time to read some of your documentation. |
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
497
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Posted - 2015.02.22 09:28:43 -
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Halcyon Ember wrote:... narcotics ... will not be tolerated.
Not completely neutral and unbiased then.
- Leopold Caine, Domination Malakim
Angels are never far...
Stillwater Corporation Recruitment Open - Angel Cartel Bloc
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Halcyon Ember
Repracor Industries
48
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Posted - 2015.02.22 09:54:31 -
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I fail to see what my stance on narcotics has to do with my open policy of neutrality. There are plenty of places for you to indulge in such things and I'm sure you have places to sell them without needing to use my venue, thus asking people to indulge in nothing stronger than alcohol whilst on the premises is hardly compromising my neutrality. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1633
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Posted - 2015.02.22 12:25:00 -
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As far as I have heard about Elysion, it is situated in a territory of occupants, and, speaking more, in the station, that is run by occupant Navy forces.
Taking into account invasive and obsessional tints of gallentean culture and management, I can't imagine being neutral in such installation. |
Evi Polevhia
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
791
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Posted - 2015.02.22 13:21:32 -
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Leopold Caine wrote:Halcyon Ember wrote:... narcotics ... will not be tolerated.
Not completely neutral and unbiased then. There is a difference between the flow of drugs and the flow of ideas. |
Halcyon Ember
Repracor Industries
49
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Posted - 2015.02.22 14:13:02 -
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Diana Kim wrote:
Taking into account invasive and obsessional tints of gallentean culture and management, I can't imagine being neutral in such installation.
This is exactly the sort of Bias I expect people to leave behind upon entering |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1633
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Posted - 2015.02.22 14:27:43 -
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Halcyon Ember wrote:Diana Kim wrote:
Taking into account invasive and obsessional tints of gallentean culture and management, I can't imagine being neutral in such installation.
This is exactly the sort of Bias I expect people to leave behind upon entering Ms. Ember, do you realise, that before entering Elysion you have to enter Federal Navy installation, correct? |
Halcyon Ember
Repracor Industries
49
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Posted - 2015.02.22 14:32:11 -
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I am aware. I have requested safe passage for those visiting. It is up to visitors to be able to restrain their baser impulses. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
1633
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Posted - 2015.02.22 14:36:57 -
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Ms. Ember... This is a hostile military base. |
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Halcyon Ember
Repracor Industries
49
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Posted - 2015.02.22 14:45:04 -
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Then you has best behave yourself, no? |
Vechtor
No Code of Conduct Fluffeh Bunneh Murder Squad
28
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Posted - 2015.02.23 02:38:29 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Ms. Ember... This is a hostile military base.
I've to admit, this lady is perhaps the most coherent capsuleer I've ever seen. It doesn't matter into what she has this coherence, it is amazing how she keeps it. Props. |
Rinai Vero
Moira. Villore Accords
428
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Posted - 2015.02.23 05:20:38 -
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Funny, I've never known Kim to be shy about docking up in Fed Navy Stations. |
Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution Evictus.
108
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Posted - 2015.02.23 05:28:37 -
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Vechtor wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Ms. Ember... This is a hostile military base. I've to admit, this lady is perhaps the most coherent capsuleer I've ever seen. It doesn't matter into what she has this coherence, it is amazing how she keeps it. Props.
It's a rather low hanging fruit Mr. Vechtor.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.23 07:15:34 -
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Vechtor wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Ms. Ember... This is a hostile military base. I've to admit, this lady is perhaps the most coherent capsuleer I've ever seen. It doesn't matter into what she has this coherence, it is amazing how she keeps it. Props.
I believe you meant 'consistent'.
- Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
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Jandice Ymladris
Aurora Arcology
1412
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Posted - 2015.02.23 09:08:45 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:Vechtor wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Ms. Ember... This is a hostile military base. I've to admit, this lady is perhaps the most coherent capsuleer I've ever seen. It doesn't matter into what she has this coherence, it is amazing how she keeps it. Props. I believe you meant 'consistent'.
Oh I assure you, after all the ramblings in the summit channels the past few days, 'coherent' also fits.... We live in a dark universe...
That said, while true neutrality is impossible to achieve, Miss Halcyon Ember's venue is among the closest you'll find to being neutral, as she has shown during the Elysion Concerts, allowing capsuleers of a wide variety of background in, with the only cave-at they had to behave, a fair request.
The Elysion Concerts
The Jove have returned and they have such sights to show us....
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Vechtor
No Code of Conduct Fluffeh Bunneh Murder Squad
28
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Posted - 2015.02.23 17:10:24 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote: I believe you meant 'consistent'.
No, in fact I meant coherent, which is among other definitions the "quality of being internally consistent".
Unfortunately, or fortunately, depending on which kind of relationship you have with Ms. Kim...
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Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
686
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Posted - 2015.02.23 17:39:01 -
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Halcyon Ember wrote:[..] thus asking people to indulge in nothing stronger than alcohol whilst on the premises is hardly compromising my neutrality. Except, several studies categorize Haroulle dryweed as being a milder drug than alcohol, particularly when it it comes to increasing aggressive behaviour in the user.
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Open Letter to the Aidonis Foundation Directorate
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Halcyon Ember
Repracor Industries
65
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Posted - 2015.02.23 18:59:20 -
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But I don't sell that, I do however sell alcohol. It's an unfair universe but if nothing else no one's forcing other people to consume the alcohol. |
Vizage
Capital Allied Industrial Distribution Evictus.
108
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Posted - 2015.02.23 20:14:05 -
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Che Biko wrote:Halcyon Ember wrote:[..] thus asking people to indulge in nothing stronger than alcohol whilst on the premises is hardly compromising my neutrality. Except, several studies categorize Haroulle dryweed as being a milder drug than alcohol, particularly when it it comes to increasing aggressive behaviour in the user.
You are more than welcome to debate the merits of the Elysion's neutrality and the Medical/Social merits of Haroulle Dryweed but you will have to do it outside of the Elysion.
Frankly speaking Mr. Biko the Elysion serves alcohol. There is an expectation and awareness that patrons may drink, sometimes in excess. This is a silent contract we all mentally acknowledge upon entry. Loosening our rules to allowing an ever I creasing myriad of state-altering substances means the expected experience of patrons will change atmosphere of the Elysion. Ms. Ember had and still has a specific vision for her venue and it is entirely upto her what she allows inside and out.
Just because a substance is measured and weighed to be safer or less harmful does not mean that is the atmosphere Ms. Ember wishes to project. She has done her best to make this club as welcoming to "all" as she can, and that doesn't mean "you" it means "everyone."
Individual grievances and weighed against comfort of the whole, Mr. Biko, not the merit of the grievance.
That being said, you are welcome to join us again at the Elysion. Dryweed free of course, and discuss this further over a drink or something to eat.
Sincerely K. Amsel
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
731
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Posted - 2015.02.23 20:29:03 -
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Halcyon Ember wrote:Fellow Capsuleers Some of you know me well, others only in passing. For those of you who do not know me, I run a venue, called the Elysion. It is my vision that this will become a neutral haven for all in new Eden to meet and mingle, regardless of affiliation or background. My only request is that arguments be left at the door. Violence, narcotics and uncivil behaviour will not be tolerated. As part of this endeavour the venue now hosts a conference room. I hope that this will provide those of differing viewpoints a place to meet and discuss without threat of violence. Those wishing to take up this offer should contact me or a member of my corporation, in order that arrangements may be made. All security at the venue will be arranged by my head of security.
Hey, everybody, hey, listen, hey, I've got a good idea.
Let's not applaud the creation of a conference venue that might be useful to discuss things civilly.
Let's instead complain that Narcotic X isn't allowed, and generally be unconstructive about the whole endeavour.
I'm sure that'll really help raise the tone of the IGS.
Doctor Valerie Valate, archaeologist. Not the other Doctor Valerie Valate.
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Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
295
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Posted - 2015.02.23 20:32:25 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:Halcyon Ember wrote:Fellow Capsuleers Some of you know me well, others only in passing. For those of you who do not know me, I run a venue, called the Elysion. It is my vision that this will become a neutral haven for all in new Eden to meet and mingle, regardless of affiliation or background. My only request is that arguments be left at the door. Violence, narcotics and uncivil behaviour will not be tolerated. As part of this endeavour the venue now hosts a conference room. I hope that this will provide those of differing viewpoints a place to meet and discuss without threat of violence. Those wishing to take up this offer should contact me or a member of my corporation, in order that arrangements may be made. All security at the venue will be arranged by my head of security.
Hey, everybody, hey, listen, hey, I've got a good idea. Let's not applaud the creation of a conference venue that might be useful to discuss things civilly. Let's instead complain that Narcotic X isn't allowed, and generally be unconstructive about the whole endeavour. I'm sure that'll really help raise the tone of the IGS.
Stop making me like your posts Ms. Valate. I might forget you are a heretic who needs to be hunted down and executed and imprisoned and tried (not necessarily in that order). |
Wendrika Hydreiga
258
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Posted - 2015.02.23 20:49:59 -
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Neutraility is for dummies! Plus, I am non compliant to the image a proper speaker must keep for herself and would probably spend the whole day saying silly things! And that's why I refrain to pester all the proper channels! |
Albizu Zateki
Black Rise Colonial Exploration
27
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Posted - 2015.02.23 21:15:00 -
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Miss Ember,
I, for one, had an excellent time when I visited your fine establishment. Please ignore the rabble and their petty complaints. You are doing good work.
Thank you again for your hospitality.
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Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
686
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Posted - 2015.02.24 00:57:17 -
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Vizage wrote:You are more than welcome to debate the merits of the Elysion's neutrality and the Medical/Social merits of Haroulle Dryweed but you will have to do it outside of the Elysion. [..] That being said, you are welcome to join us again at the Elysion. Dryweed free of course, and discuss this further over a drink or something to eat. Understood, except for the quoted part (emphasis mine).
I would like to clarify that this is not a grievance, and if pointing at what I consider to be inconsistencies is considered unconstructive, then I'm not sure if I can agree. My visits to The Elysion have been very enjoyable, in part because of the comfortable atmosphere. I'm not sure if projecting this atmosphere is actually neutrality, though.
Much love to The Elysion folks,
...and alright, you complainers too.
Coordination Channel for Consolidated Space Rescue Cooperation
Open Letter to the Aidonis Foundation Directorate
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Jennifer Starfall
Repracor Industries
71
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Posted - 2015.02.24 01:04:32 -
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Che Biko wrote:My visits to The Elysion have been very enjoyable, in part because of the comfortable atmosphere. I'm not sure if projecting this atmosphere is actually neutrality, though. It's not the atmosphere that contributes to the neutrality, but the neutrality that contributes to the atmosphere.
Jennifer Starfall
Media & Communications
Repracor Industries
The Fourth Seyllin Conference
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Eli Sariah
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.02.24 03:54:14 -
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Greetings,
Would this "Elsysion" welcome anyone? Even an Amarrian Capsuleer? I ask as this location, as Miss Kim has stated, is in a Federation Naval installation.. I do not fear attack.. But i do not wish to spark anything with my presence..
Humble regards, Eli Sariah |
Arkon Sarain
Crown Commerce and Trade Organization
1
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Posted - 2015.02.24 05:27:26 -
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Eli Sariah wrote:Greetings,
Would this "Elsysion" welcome anyone? Even an Amarrian Capsuleer? I ask as this location, as Miss Kim has stated, is in a Federation Naval installation.. I do not fear attack.. But i do not wish to spark anything with my presence..
Humble regards, Eli Sariah
Ashaltiasten Eli Sariah,
I have visited the Elysion on occassion and have never once found myself subjected to rude behaviour from either the staff or the patrons.
I commend Ms. Ember on running such an amenable venue. Of course there is a certain... liberality in social interactions that the open nature of the venue promotes, this may not perhaps be entirely proper, however if one can overlook that I have found the Elysion to be among the best venues outside the Empire.
Ashalagram,
Arkon Sarain
"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin."
The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21
Arkon's Adagia
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Eli Sariah
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.02.24 05:51:49 -
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Thank you lord Sarain,
I will take your word, maybe i might meet you there one day in person, as for the.. Social setting, i am sure i will cope just fine, i would prefer it be honorable and open then shadows and secrets, I look forward to receiving Ms. Ember's invite to this venue.
Fly safe lord Sarain, may you help bring the Gods light and Semper Pax to the cluster.
"I walk not alone, but with God in my heart"
Humble regards, Eli Sariah
"A manu dei e tet rimon" - I am the devoted hand of the divine God.
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Arkon Sarain
Crown Commerce and Trade Organization
1
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Posted - 2015.02.24 05:59:44 -
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Eli Sariah wrote:Thank you lord Sarain,
I will take your word, maybe i might meet you there one day in person, as for the.. Social setting, i am sure i will cope just fine, i would prefer it be honorable and open then shadows and secrets, I look forward to receiving Ms. Ember's invite to this venue.
Fly safe lord Sarain, may you help bring the Gods light and Semper Pax to the cluster.
"I walk not alone, but with God in my heart"
Humble regards, Eli Sariah
Ashaltiasten,
Oh I am no lord, doctor is as high an honour as I have had - not including my old navy rank - and I sincerely hope our paths will cross. Should you ever wish to get in contact with me my contact details are publicly available on my Neocom biography.
I am sure Ms. Ember shan't be too long in extending a formal invitation, though I am sure such formalities are not needed the venue is a relaxed one.
By His light and His will, blessings for your day, and may He watch your travels.
Ashalagram,
Arkon Sarain
"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin."
The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21
Arkon's Adagia
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