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Mehrune Khan
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.02.21 23:35:53 -
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Wouldn't it be nice if we could use a PLEX on a currently active character (one with an active training queue) to increase it's training speed by 50%? This would be different from using a PLEX on an alt. Instead of using a PLEX to enable SP training on a second character, you would use it on a character with an active training queue to make it go a little faster.
While it would help people train their mains, it would give you less SP overall compared to using it on a second character (one queue at 150% versus two queues at 100%)
It would be useful for those of us who primarily play on one character, but obviously much less useful for those who play on alts. I realize it does give players with wads of cash a bit of an advantage, but so does using PLEX on alts, which is something we already have. I don't think we should be able to stack multiples onto one character - so only 1 boost per active character. The boost would last the normal amount of time - 30 days.
It would probably also increase the cost of PLEX on the market, which may or may not be a good thing - depending on if you are selling or buying. But I don't think it would be completely game-breaking.
That's it. Thanks for your time. |
Anhenka
The Cult of Personality DARKNESS.
1088
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Posted - 2015.02.21 23:40:13 -
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Not sure if serious, or unsubtle troll.
This makes I think thread 5 on this subject in 48 hours. |
Mehrune Khan
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2015.02.21 23:42:52 -
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No I'm being serious. The one thing about this game I hate the most is the awful skill system. It's limiting. |
Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
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Posted - 2015.02.21 23:48:47 -
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The skill system is far from limiting. it allows for unlimited SP, you can change training half way through and not lose any progress and there is only so many SP that can apply to any specific ship making it so that there can be no elitist in any one ship.
By far this is probably the best skilling system of any MMORPGs |
Ix Method
Shadows Legion High-Sec Tomfoolery
413
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Posted - 2015.02.21 23:49:36 -
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Making the game Pay to Win because you're impatient is absolutely reasonable.
Travelling at the speed of love.
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Mehrune Khan
Viziam Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2015.02.21 23:51:39 -
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Ix Method wrote:Making the game Pay to Win because you're impatient is absolutely reasonable.
Thank you. You have a valid point.
Seriously I hate this skill system. |
scorchlikeshiswhiskey
Totally Abstract
377
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Posted - 2015.02.21 23:56:03 -
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Why stop there? If we're going to go Pay to Win, why not have a Plex let you Doomsday any character in station or out? |
Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
63
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Posted - 2015.02.22 00:15:01 -
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50%? You can't be seriuos. |
Atomeon
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2015.02.22 00:21:05 -
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Tiddle Jr wrote:50%? You can't be seriuos. Too much or too low? |
Lugh Crow-Slave
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Posted - 2015.02.22 00:24:59 -
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you can already do this go buy a character
difference is someone still had to train it
Fuel block colors? Missiles for Caldari T3?
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Zimmer Jones
Aliastra Gallente Federation
119
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Posted - 2015.02.22 00:27:11 -
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And I bet you hate losing your ship when someone beats you, and you wish your ship and toon with implants would just appear in the graveyard/Forrest/whatever, unkillable and surrounded by boars.
The fact that everyone progresses at the same base speed +Implants is one of the biggest selling points to many people for this game. RL happens but you continue to "level up"
Buy implants and adjust attributes, you can buy nice ones with the isk from a Plex. There you go, faster learning, costing you a Plex with maybe some isk left over. I hear rumors that even attributes and implants may be removed from the game. If true, or even just discussed, it shows CCP has the opposite view you do.
As a side note, if a newspaper asks a question in a headline, or if someone starts an f&I thread with "wouldn't it be nice" the answer is invariably NO. Eve is fun but not nice. |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
2287
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Posted - 2015.02.22 00:30:55 -
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You could have saved yourself a lot of effort by using the search feature.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided" "So it will be up to a pilot to remain vigilant wherever they may be flying and be ready for anything at any time"
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Claud Tiberius
Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2015.02.22 00:36:46 -
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I actually have no problem with this:
Multi-boxing is allowed. We can already skill multiple characters at the same time. We can use PLEX as ISK for in game. We can already buy characters that have already been skilled by someone else.
As I see it, PLEX for SP boost wouldn't have much effect on the "pay-to-win" in EVE. Even though I am very much against pay-to-win; It's already here, we already have ways to pay and "win". So there's no reason not to make this (except there is very little demand for such a feature).
Once upon a time the Golem had a Raven hull and it looked good. Then it transformed into a plataduck. The end.
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Anhenka
The Cult of Personality DARKNESS.
1088
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Posted - 2015.02.22 00:54:35 -
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Claud Tiberius wrote: So there's no reason not to make this (except there is very little demand for such a feature).
Oh you poor deluded man/woman/it.
The demand would be massive. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2015.02.22 01:02:44 -
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*points at sig* Read it.
Compared to other skill systems in other games this one is wonderful. Adding (more) ways that bypass what it is trying to teach players is never a good thing.
"The Skillpoint System and You"
"How did you Veterans start?"
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Derath Ellecon
Blue Sun Exploration Situation: Normal
2389
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Posted - 2015.02.22 01:20:34 -
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Mehrune Khan wrote:No I'm being serious. The one thing about this game I hate the most is the awful skill system. It's limiting.
The skill system is one of the best things about eve and one of the big reasons I play this game |
Mehrune Khan
Viziam Amarr Empire
25
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Posted - 2015.02.22 01:24:05 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:*points at sig* Read it.
Compared to other skill systems in other games this one is wonderful. Adding (more) ways that bypass what it is trying to teach players is never a good thing.
Just because you made a thread about how much you like the skill system and linked it to your sig, doesn't mean it's actually good. While a small cult of people may be drawn to the game because they can be lazy and make slow incremental skill progression while they do other things, I can assure you it's turned away at least 10x as many other people due to it's grueling rate of progression.
Game progression tied to real-life timers is a grind far more powerful than any other type of grind used in any other game possible. |
Anhenka
The Cult of Personality DARKNESS.
1091
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Posted - 2015.02.22 01:38:47 -
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Mehrune Khan wrote:ShahFluffers wrote:*points at sig* Read it.
Compared to other skill systems in other games this one is wonderful. Adding (more) ways that bypass what it is trying to teach players is never a good thing. Just because you made a thread about how much you like the skill system and linked it to your sig, doesn't mean it's actually good. While a small cult of people may be drawn to the game because they can be lazy and make slow incremental skill progression while they do other things, I can assure you it's turned away at least 10x as many other people due to it's grueling rate of progression. Game progression tied to real-life timers is a grind far more powerful than any other type of grind used in any other game possible.
I can assure you that if CCP introduced grind style advancement tomorrow, it would lose half its playerbase by Monday.
A lot of CCP's consistant money is from the stock of long term players with many accounts.
I for example have 4 accounts, and have played for a bit over 6 years now I believe. I didn't have all those accounts the entire time, but between paying subscriptions, character transfers, and dual account training, let's call it say... 15 account years.
And if this game went grind to advance, I'd drop it in an instant. As would a TON of the older players, and causual players, and people who don't have a ton of time to play on a regular basis.
Not to mention how training indy skills would go. Do you get indy skills by doing indy things? So the ones who get to advance the fastest are the ones who can afford to fill up all theri ques with garbage they don't need, that they are willing to dump near or at loss afterwords, all in order to train skills?
I'm sure requiring capital to train your base skills is a brilliant idea.
Oh and people training their combat skills by bashing on their permatanking alts. Would be balanced for certain and never abused. Or do we need to shoot NPC's to train our skills? I'm sure all the PvP players would just sit back and accept that with a smile and not you know.. quit.
By turning the game into a grinding advancement format, it would be a punch in the face to the longest playing, highest paying section of the playerbase. And the newbies. And the casual players. Basically everyone except those willing to put in tons of time grinding up their skills.
Don't NGE EVE.
TLDR: Uninstall.
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Tiddle Jr
Galvanized Inc.
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Posted - 2015.02.22 01:40:17 -
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Your offer is dangerous to eve.
This game is pretty well balanced with current skills system when we have a high skilled pilots mid skilled pilots and low skill pilots. And it's work well. We have veterans we have greenhorns and many others.
Your offer is simply means that in the short ammount of time a huge number of pilots would be able to lift up their sp's. What for? This will ruin the current system which i mentioned above.
If you are worried only about yoyrself and your sig, there a place called Char Bazar, you could find there any possible char you could wish and imagine.
No need to brake the system just because. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
15077
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Posted - 2015.02.22 01:40:37 -
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Mehrune Khan wrote:ShahFluffers wrote:*points at sig* Read it.
Compared to other skill systems in other games this one is wonderful. Adding (more) ways that bypass what it is trying to teach players is never a good thing. Just because you made a thread about how much you like the skill system and linked it to your sig, doesn't mean it's actually good. While a small cult of people may be drawn to the game because they can be lazy and make slow incremental skill progression while they do other things, I can assure you it's turned away at least 10x as many other people due to it's grueling rate of progression. Game progression tied to real-life timers is a grind far more powerful than any other type of grind used in any other game possible.
Wrong.
Getting XP from killing billions of boars is a much worse system. With EVE I can do what I want and keep on training.
Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
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Zimmer Jones
Aliastra Gallente Federation
120
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Posted - 2015.02.22 01:50:59 -
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CCP has never marketed the game to the attention deficit disorder crowd. It may be a turn off for people that enjoy grinding, but the skill system does keep people playing. Slow as it may be, the skill system eve has gives quite a bit of satisfaction as all the stacking skills for your ship+guns+mods complete one by one.
Every grinding game i have played where i spend hours beating something to generically level up has left me with almost no satisfaction. I achieve the level where I can use item x, but by then I'm played out, the appeal of equipping the newly usable bling is lost, and I stop playing for the day/night/week.
Now in eve, patience is a virtue. The longest solo fight I ever had was in a domi. I knew I was hours away from ogre II's when I went out to blast some sleepers. I got attacked after a few sites, And the fight went on for 45 min. I lost every drone but the ogre II's and in the last 5 minutes, my skill finished, and I could take out 2 out of 4 of the attacking ships before losing my DPs, tapping the last cap booster and giving GFs in local. I died in a firey ball of lols.
I've played many, many mmo's, and none gave me anything close to that satisfaction. Or even the satisfaction of getting JF IV. Or my first bs, etc.
Patience is a virtue, and its reward in eve is greater satisfaction for that patience. If you don't have the patience, you only deserve pity. |
Max Deveron
Deveron Shipyards and Technology
182
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Posted - 2015.02.22 02:50:53 -
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-10,000
I play EvE because of a number of reasons but a big one is the current skill system, it is its own reward in a lot of ways.
Also i despise pay to win games, there is no sense of accomplishment in them. I would quit and all my toons and accounts would go silent if this plex idea or something like it came to pass. And i would be sure to take all my friends and family with me also.
Was not part of the Jita Riots because of poorly constructed micro-transactions? Things that would turn EvE into pay to win? |
Sean Parisi
Fugutive Task Force A T O N E M E N T
636
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Posted - 2015.02.22 03:02:18 -
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You can already do this. Its called the Character Bazaar. The only difference is its not your Characters.
-1 / Do not want people buying SP unless through Bazaar or its a new character getting a slight increase. |
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
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Posted - 2015.02.22 03:35:08 -
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Training being tied to real time helps keep this game balanced and it needs to stay that way. And you are wrong, there are far more players in EvE that like the balance the skill train system brings than there are players that hate it, why? Because those that hate it quit. If you do not like the skill training system then quit and go play a game that does offer training in the way you think it should be done.
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Colette Kassia
Kassia Industrial Supply
66
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Posted - 2015.02.22 03:53:42 -
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Wha..? Oh for f***'s sake, NO!!! |
Alena McJenkins
McJenkins' Saucy Shipwreckers LLC
10
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Posted - 2015.02.22 04:20:39 -
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Actually, I kinda like how I can train skills whilst delivering glorious leather recliners and sofas. Gives me something to look forward to when I finally ascend the stairwell to my apartment and plant my ***.
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Anhenka
The Cult of Personality DARKNESS.
1094
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Posted - 2015.02.22 04:27:46 -
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Alena McJenkins wrote:Actually, I kinda like how I can train skills whilst delivering glorious leather recliners and sofas. Gives me something to look forward to when I finally ascend the stairwell to my apartment and plant my ***.
By chance, do you plant your ass in a "glorious leather recliner/sofa"?
Or are you like one of those chefs who spend all day making fancy food for other people and then come home and eat a TV dinner? |
Ciba Lexlulu
Stay Frosty. A Band Apart.
55
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Posted - 2015.02.22 04:45:00 -
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Not sure why so many people hate this idea and claiming this idea is a 'pay to win' idea. Even if a noob can buy all the skills - their skill limit is still V. They still be no better in piloting a frigate vs. someone who is willing to train at normal time.
Skills at V helps in pvp but not necessarily the only determining factor. |
Alena McJenkins
McJenkins' Saucy Shipwreckers LLC
10
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Posted - 2015.02.22 04:52:03 -
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Anhenka wrote:Alena McJenkins wrote:Actually, I kinda like how I can train skills whilst delivering glorious leather recliners and sofas. Gives me something to look forward to when I finally ascend the stairwell to my apartment and plant my ***. By chance, do you plant your *** in a "glorious leather recliner/sofa"? Or are you like one of those chefs who spend all day making fancy food for other people and then come home and eat a TV dinner?
Both! I have a Hancock & Moore Austin Highback that I got second-hand. It's in rough shape, but is very comfortable and durable.
Seriously though, accelerating skill training through the use of PLEX would be ruinous.
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Caleb Seremshur
The Atomic Fallout Kids
483
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Posted - 2015.02.22 05:15:31 -
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The only time I could really say that using PLEX for SP is appropriate is for people who maybe have less SP than their maximum amount, i.e. people who lost SP due to clone losses under the old system.
People who unsubbed for any period of time should not be eligible for SP reclamation for their unsubbed time.
Faction warfare pilot and solo/small gang PVP advocate
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