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Tim Nering
R3d Fire
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Posted - 2015.02.23 09:03:35 -
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so ive been ganking/trying to gank miners in null since... forever with some success.
since every null miner stares at local with their eyes popping out of their head its really hard to gank them because local is so damn good. mostly because it shows you in local long before you loaded grid. (try it out its disgusting)
or worse.....they are botting. <.<
usually i find them while scanning in a covert ops. so what i do is i mark a wreck or some clue i find as to where they are mining and then i wait 20 mins out of the system. then i come back in a interceptor/sabre and warp to the bookmark i made. tackle what i can and i get a buddy to start bustin heads.
the thing is i still miss them sometimes! (it just happened about a min ago.....i mad ) Usually i just tell myself that i need to train Gittin Gud to V but i have a hard time believing that im doing something wrong when i load grid, insta warp to a bookmark right on top of my target while flying THE FASTEST SHIP IN THE GAME.
maybe some of you have a better method? is it bad to report these players if im just.... pretty sure they are bots? |
Jack Hayson
Atztech Inc. Ixtab.
105
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Posted - 2015.02.23 10:25:23 -
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Some certainly are bots, but most nullbears are just trained to watch local like a hawk.
You could try logging off in the site they were in with your dictor/ceptor. That way you have the shortest possible warp distance. You need to make sure that you don't have any timers from rats. Another thing would by figuring out where they are warping out to and try to catch them there with a bubble. (bubble needs to be up before they initiate warp though.)
Oh and remember: every time they evade you it only makes the moment when you do finally catch them just so much sweeter. Happy hunting! |
Amak Boma
Dragon Factory
75
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Posted - 2015.02.23 10:35:07 -
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stratios + sabre is best miner gank setup. |
Gunz blazing Ronuken
Insane's Asylum Pride Before Fall
1
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Posted - 2015.02.23 10:50:15 -
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You could try tackle with cov op frig, very risky but depends on how quick the miners can unleash their drones on you.
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Amak Boma
Dragon Factory
75
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Posted - 2015.02.23 11:47:30 -
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to counter gank you can have cloaky proteus next to you . optional when you warp on belts do this warp 100km . eject secure container move 5000m from it , launch small mobile bubble and let it anchor. bookmark asteroid warp to pos warp to bookmark and mine almost safely, if you warp to anomaly you land in your own bubble! dont do this , warp bookmark instead
of course it wont work on interceptors and nullified t3 ships. but bubble will catch all other ships and if land eoungh close to container it will decloak eventual hostile so you have extra few seconds to warp away and save your ship.
mining alone is always risk but if you have all holes closed you should do waht u want unless some1 logged out in your wh :D |
umnikar
Fishbone Industries
57
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Posted - 2015.02.23 12:05:22 -
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While I will never understand why people are exclusively looking for non shooting targets, I would say, that entering wormhole space with the focus on ganking miners will be very tedious. Expect to see a lot of ventures and a retriever here and then while some are just bait. Good luck though! |
HTC NecoSino
No Vacancies
167
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Posted - 2015.02.23 13:36:57 -
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Generally I have given up on ganking miners. However, getting them to reship and try to shoot me? Those are the fun times. One time a guy brought his farming marauder to try to scare off a frigate we had tackled a miner with. I don't need to tell you how the rest of that played out |
Tsukino Stareine
Sock Robbers Inc. Low-Class
1026
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Posted - 2015.02.23 13:59:18 -
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get something cloaky <20km warp sabre in ??? proft |
Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
1091
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Posted - 2015.02.23 14:47:06 -
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He's complaining that local is giving the miners a bit of s unfair advantage, but we all know that. It's one of the reasons us wormholers don't like k-space, damn care bear Disneyland.
Yaay!!!!
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Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
102
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Posted - 2015.02.23 16:10:08 -
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Phoenix Jones wrote:He's complaining that local is giving the miners a bit of s unfair advantage, but we all know that. It's one of the reasons us wormholers don't like k-space, damn care bear Disneyland.
This
It is hilarious all these Null "pvpers" complaining that highsec is so safe all the while putting a darn magnifying glass on their local cloaking up every time +1 happens.
Remove local from null before any one starts talking about how much more dangerous null is. |
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Lloyd Roses
862
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Posted - 2015.02.23 17:34:04 -
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*Wormholes are risk-free ISK*, is something I heard lots of people say about once.
I GÖÑ Sleipnir
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Agent Unknown
Night Theifs DamnedNation
30
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Posted - 2015.02.23 18:45:17 -
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Lloyd Roses wrote:*Wormholes are risk-free ISK*, is something I heard lots of people say about once.
Clearly those people visit the forums more than wormholes. |
Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
104
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Posted - 2015.02.23 18:52:44 -
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Agent Unknown wrote:Lloyd Roses wrote:*Wormholes are risk-free ISK*, is something I heard lots of people say about once. Clearly those people visit the forums more than wormholes.
No no no, High sec is WOW, WH's is carebear paradise, Lowsec is just missing easier targets and Null sec is where *chestbeat* Real Danger is...
#HTFUChurch |
Vol Arm'OOO
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
358
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Posted - 2015.02.23 20:09:17 -
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Phoenix Jones wrote:He's complaining that local is giving the miners a bit of s unfair advantage, but we all know that. It's one of the reasons us wormholers don't like k-space, damn care bear Disneyland.
Wh's calling nullsecers carebears is certainly the pot calling the kettle black. When I day trip into wh's, I rarely find anyone who is actually active, but on the rare occasions that I do, the reaction is invariably the same - as soon as they see a hint of trouble, e.g. a blip on ds which they are madly spamming, its off to a pos where they either log off or go afk while playing something else.
I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
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Tim Nering
R3d Fire
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Posted - 2015.02.23 20:17:18 -
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Jack Hayson wrote:Some certainly are bots, but most nullbears are just trained to watch local like a hawk. You could try logging off in the site they were in with your dictor/ceptor. That way you have the shortest possible warp distance. You need to make sure that you don't have any timers from rats. Another thing would by figuring out where they are warping out to and try to catch them there with a bubble. (bubble needs to be up before they initiate warp though.) Oh and remember: every time they evade you it only makes the moment when you do finally catch them just so much sweeter. Happy hunting!
yeah i guess ill upgrade to logoff-skiz. thanks.
its amazing how many ppl are off topic in this thread/didnt read/cant read. |
Agent Unknown
Night Theifs DamnedNation
31
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Posted - 2015.02.23 20:46:31 -
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Market McSelling Alt wrote:Agent Unknown wrote:Lloyd Roses wrote:*Wormholes are risk-free ISK*, is something I heard lots of people say about once. Clearly those people visit the forums more than wormholes. No no no, High sec is WOW, WH's is carebear paradise, Lowsec is just missing easier targets and Null sec is where *chestbeat* Real Danger is... #HTFUChurch
Sov null is safer than anywhere else in some cases.
But to the OP's actual topic at hand...you'll only really catch people who aren't paying attention or are actually bots with most methods. Logoff traps sometimes work, but not always since you'll be reported in intel channels as such (leaving system but not reported anywhere else, for example) and people will pay better attention until they know you're gone. |
HTC NecoSino
No Vacancies
167
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Posted - 2015.02.23 20:59:13 -
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Welcome to the WH forum. |
Iris Sagitta
Blue-Fire
2
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Posted - 2015.02.23 22:35:25 -
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You need to do more work if you want miner kills. Miners are the slipperiest people to catch in null. You need to get a blue alt and then be very careful not to get caught. Use blue to find targets |
Kyle Lonestar
Grim Sleepers
0
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Posted - 2015.02.24 16:49:00 -
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2 options really.
1 - Log off where you need to be. 2 - Find the closest system exit to your bookmark and make sure thats where you leave/return from. It will minimize your distance thus cut down the time you spend in warp. If that means scanning a new wormhole to hide in, so be it. But make sure you entry point into the system is as close to you bookmark as possible.
Really #1 is by far the best option when it comes to null hunting.
Wormholes though are a bit easier in that regard. No local to give away your presence. Just be careful, I've known people who bait in mining ships trying to take out bombers. |
Maxxor Brutor
Imperial Collective Unsettled.
64
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Posted - 2015.02.24 17:35:40 -
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We had a nice fight with a brave newbies guy multi boxing 7 procurers the other day. As it was a frig connection we first derped around with bombers but the miners warped off and we had some guy entering our pub chat telling us not to mess with them.
Quite some time later we just yoloed in a dic + hic plus random frigs and the guy was still sitting in the same site. In the end we lost more than we killed but 10/10 would derp again.
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HTC NecoSino
No Vacancies
169
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Posted - 2015.02.24 18:03:29 -
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Speaking of the Brave Collective, it's been nice to see them welping fleets into us lately. I think we're up to 3 carriers this year just off of them, with very little red to show for it. |
Tim Nering
R3d Fire
33
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Posted - 2015.02.24 19:50:34 -
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Kyle Lonestar wrote:2 options really.
1 - Log off where you need to be. 2 - Find the closest system exit to your bookmark and make sure thats where you leave/return from. It will minimize your distance thus cut down the time you spend in warp. If that means scanning a new wormhole to hide in, so be it. But make sure you entry point into the system is as close to you bookmark as possible.
Really #1 is by far the best option when it comes to null hunting.
Wormholes though are a bit easier in that regard. No local to give away your presence. Just be careful, I've known people who bait in mining ships trying to take out bombers.
i have been exiting my wormhole chain into the system with the miners in it. i didnt do like a few jumps of null or anything. |
HTC NecoSino
No Vacancies
169
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Posted - 2015.02.24 20:03:30 -
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Plus, cloaky alts watching neighboring systems anyway.
Nerf AFK cloaky plz |
Market McSelling Alt
Bernie Madoff Investment Services LLC
107
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Posted - 2015.02.24 20:57:53 -
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HTC NecoSino wrote:Plus, cloaky alts watching neighboring systems anyway.
Nerf AFK cloaky plz
If they are AFK, they can't report you... |
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery Prolapse.
2097
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Posted - 2015.02.25 00:10:30 -
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Tsukino Stareine wrote:get something cloaky <20km warp sabre in ??? proft
Yeah. No one ever thought of that.
Prolapse. Taking fights since 2014.
Sudden Buggery. Got duumb? Hola, Batmanuel!
http://www.localectomy.blogspot.com.au
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
855
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Posted - 2015.02.28 03:23:40 -
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The normal tactic is for the miners to warp back to their pos / station when local has a baddie in it. Figure out where their safe haven is. If they warp back to a station or pos put a bm on their safe haven inline w/ thier belt. Go goof off for a bit (15 min to an hour - go scan for other targets to let this one respawn). When you jump your sabre in after the respawn time - don't warp to the belt, warp to the bubble spot and pop one out. Wait and see if you get them.
It's basically a race between you getting to the bubble spot and popping up a bubble and them initiating warp. The on the ball guys - you probably won't catch. Some folks get lazy and you can get there in time. It was easier before recons D-scan immunity because in large systems a lot of folks would note additions to local then watch d-scan for trouble. Now waiting for trouble to appear on d-scan is less likely.
Improving your odds: Fuller systems mean a better chance you can get in and get a bubble up before they get into warp. Your odds of getting an actual fight may go up depending on who's system it is.
Fun facts: 1. The further it is from the belt to the safe haven (station/pos) reduces the need for bubble accuracy. 2. 320km from a POS keeps you out of POS defense range, but lets you pop the targets while the look longingly at their just out of reach POS shields. (you occaisionally get a piece of tear mail citing various forms of dev hax and declaring your immenent banning for all eternity) 3. On stations be aware of the 150km 'warp to' distance and put your bubble inside or outside of that range based on what you want to possibly happen or not happen next. 4. If you get the bubble up after they get into warp you'll watch as they pass through your leet bubble of doom and land on home plate (this is good fraps footage to torture your buds with).
Oh, once you get the interposing bubble up - just go at them as you see fit. You'll either get them in the belt or flush them into the trap you've placed for them. |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
30654
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Posted - 2015.02.28 05:39:40 -
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pop quiz, the range for drag bubbles affecting warp is how many km?
Don't post on the forums, devs don't read it. Send GMs your questions with support tickets. Don't be silent.
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
857
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Posted - 2015.02.28 05:43:51 -
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Rain6637 wrote:pop quiz, the range for drag bubbles affecting warp is how many km?
Drag bubble range is "on grid". The real question is "How big is a grid?" Which is easy to answer..... right after down time. As the day goes on.... certain grids get kind of 'fuzzy'.
Edit: w/ the introduction of mobile depots, mobile tractors and what not..... right after down time isn't as easy as it used to be. |
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